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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 11:08 AM
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Combative? Wasserman-Schultz says Dean "less combative" yesterday. Oooooh.
Edited on Thu Apr-03-08 11:20 AM by madfloridian
Debbie Wasserman Schultz is the national co-chair of Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign. She has been a major player in stopping a Florida revote. Even as Bill and Hillary called for one in the beginning....she kept saying "no revote". Her words are in a link later in the post.

Then they all gave up on the revote and started blaming Barack Obama and Howard Dean for NOT breaking the rules. Hillary sent out an email as late as yesterday saying "I have repeatedly called for seating their delegates." That is true, she has done that as well as all the other stances taken.

The anger in me started again today when I read these words of Debbie Wasserman Schultz. She managed to imply that Howard Dean had been combative with Florida leaders.

It is just so ironic.


Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a Clinton supporter, said Dean's tone was much less combative than it had been. "He's finally realized it's counterproductive to our goal of electing the next president of the United States to continue to insist on punishing the state," she said.
Wasserman Schultz says Dean not as combative


You know what, Debbie? I had sort of figured I would back off writing about you Florida Democratic leaders for a while. I figured that since the meeting with Dean yesterday, you guys would shut your mouths for a while.

But you know what? Saying that Howard Dean had a less "combative" tone is about the most offensive thing you could say. My friend says you were on TV recently blaming him for everything in the world. That has been typical of the Florida Democrats, go on TV, sound off about the bad DNC chairman and the rules committee who sanctioned the state for breaking some pretty serious rules deliberately.

Actually he went public and said there should be a revote in Florida. He gave in and said to you guys...hey, revote or follow the rules and go to the committees.

From The Atlantic

Instead, he put the state parties on notice: either they can wait and allow the credentials committee to decide whether to seat their delegates, or submit to a re-vote sanctioned under DNC rules. "We look forward to receiving their proposals should they decide to submit new delegate selection plans and will review those plans at that time," he said in the statement.

"Everyone seems to be asking what the DNC will do," a Democrat close to Dean said. "But the question is: what will the state parties do."

Dean's statement implies that he has no intention of changing the rules to accommodate any solution proposed by the candidates or the state parties. There has been some suggestion that the two remaining presidential candidates might try to broker a deal among themselves. His line in the sand narrows the options for Hillary Clinton's campaign because it is unlikely that a credentials committee would endorse a delegation congenial to her mathematical interests.


He gave them hotel rooms yesterday and said they would be seated. But the delegate apportionment was not set. It will be done by the candidates or the nominee.

Debbbie Wasserman-Schultz, you yourself have been on the frontlines loudly opposing a revote in Florida. Your words are at the link.

The irony? Bill Clinton, whose wife's campaign you co-chair, was at the same time saying that if there was no revote the voters of Florida would be "disenfranchised."

ABC News' Sarah Amos Reports: Former President Bill Clinton celebrated the Polish holiday Dingus Day in South Bend, IN this morning, rallying Hooisers around his wife Hillary's campaign. Clinton had strong words when talking about the decision not to hold new primaries in Michigan and Florida, saying the decision is "a deliberate attempt to disenfranchise" voters.

"I must say that this new strategy of denying and disempowering and disenfranchising the voters in Florida and Michigan is, I believe, a terrible mistake. Hillary believes their votes should be counted. And I don't know how we're gonna go to those people in the general election and say you gotta vote for us even though we dumped all over you in the primary," Clinton told a crowd at the Westside Democratic Club in South Bend.


That is pretty pathetic. Even Bill Clinton was pushing for a revote while the campaign co-chair was running around all over the media saying oh no no no revote. Read her own words at the link.

Combative? You want combative? The combativeness has been coming from Florida leaders, from the Clintons, from Debbie. You want more combative?

Florida Hillary superdelegate publicly demands Dean resign...Corrine Brown.

JACKSONVILLE, FL -- Democratic Congresswoman Corrine Brown places the blame for the delegate flap squarely on DNC Chairman Howard Dean.

"I think Howard Dean should fix the problem or resign," Brown exclaims during an interview at First Coast News studios.


But that is relatively "mild" combativeness compared to "bramble bush" Steve Geller. He said Dean was like Cartman on South Park.

The Sun Sentinel quoted him:

For Steve Geller, the mention of Howard Dean brings to mind Eric Cartman, one of South Park’s colorful cartoon characters who is known for his bullying ways.

In one famous episode Cartman became school hall monitor, bossing around his friends and repeatedly saying, “You will respect my authori-tie.”

Geller, the state Senate’s Democratic leader from Cooper City, thinks Dean and his top staffers have taken on some of Cartman’s persona in their leadership of the Democratic National Committee.

“They are so full of themselves,” Geller said Wednesday. "They think their rules are all that matter. It’s like the DNC is wearing a t-shirt that says, ‘You will respect my authority.’”


Combative? How about this video? It is combative or just plain downright nasty and condescending. I call it the bramble bush video It is Steve Geller in all his glory on the Florida Senate floor.

Oh, I could go on. If Dean were only "combative" with Florida, then God bless him. If he is less "combative" now, then good for him.

I have never seen anything like this in my life. A stateful of Democratic leaders acting like jackasses. A presidential campaign jumping in with both feet to manipulate the situation.

And the husband of the presidential candidate is the former two-term president. He is the 800 pound gorilla in the room to whom no one says no, stop it.

On Edit: Here is Debbie WS being "combative" when asked about the 115 to 1 vote for the primary. She refuses to answer, says it is an "inappropriate" line of questioning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPWrZ5UWFR8

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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 11:10 AM
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1. Has Wasserman-Schultz decided to back fellow Dems running in FL yet? If not she is a disgrace,
and has exposed herself.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 11:12 AM
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2. No, she has not. And the DCCC leader backs her.
It's shameful. She's a "combative" lady.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 11:49 AM
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11. Maybe you Floridians need to find a Democratic opponent to run against her.
Thank for providing insight on your state :hi:
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youngharry Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 02:06 PM
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23. Debbie
EXACTLY RIGHT!!! Run someone against this--so called--Democrat. She is morally and intellectually dishonest and it is time to get rid of all the Congresspeople who fall into this category, like "little lying Debbie".
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 07:02 PM
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37. Find someone to run against "Combative Deb" and let's get that opponent on ActBlue!
I swear, anyone running against Deb will immediately become the darling of ActBlue. And I'd be honored to be the first to donate!
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 11:53 AM
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13. that would be a NO. She needs to be removed from her position with the DCCCC
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tokenlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 11:14 AM
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3. After Terry Schiavo, I thought Debbie had a bright political future...
Edited on Thu Apr-03-08 11:28 AM by tokenlib
...now I just roll my eyes.

At one point I remember suggesting on DU she'd be an interesting VP pick--was I stupid or what???
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:16 PM
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18. I think she got too close to the GOP crowd in South Florida...
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1923

"This time around, Wasserman Schultz and Meek say their relationships with the Republican incumbents, Reps. Lincoln Diaz-Balart and his brother Mario, and Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, leave them little choice but to sit out the three races.

''At the end of the day, we need a member who isn't going to pull any punches, who isn't going to be hesitant,'' Wasserman Schultz said.

The decision comes as Democrats believe they have their best shot in years to defeat at least one of the Cuban-American incumbents with a roster of Democrats that include former Hialeah Mayor Raul Martinez, opposing Lincoln Diaz-Balart; outgoing Miami-Dade Democratic party chair Joe Garcia, opposing Mario Diaz-Balart; and businesswoman Annette Taddeo, opposing Ros-Lehtinen

"But Wasserman Schultz and Meek say their ties to the three Republicans are personal as well as professional: Both served in the state Legislature with Mario Diaz-Balart and say they work in concert with all three on South Florida issues."

Buddying up with three of most right wing Republicans, refusing to campaign against them.

Not a good idea.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 07:02 PM
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35. Florida has its own way of doing things. It just draws people into a very
corrupt way of doing things. Very good ole boy. It is the most frightening thing to get caught up in one of their little deceits and begin to understand that this is what passes for normal to them. But, it's like dominos. Once someone important refuses to buy into their network, well, on that day, the whole obscene Floridian way of doing business will come tumbling down.

It's tough to do, though. It will take someone who is independently wealthy to bring them down.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 09:19 PM
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42. Well stated...."drawing people in" to corrupt ways...
then it becomes easy.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 11:18 AM
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4. Debbie being combative when asked about the 115 to 1 vote.
Refuses to answer, says is it says it is an "inappropriate line of questioning."

Oh, really?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPWrZ5UWFR8
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4themind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 11:22 AM
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5. Here's what I think may happen
Even though I have reservations about what kind of precedent this might set in how rules are adhered too during the election run. If hillary takes it to the convention, and gets a minority report to seat the delegates it'll go to a full vote and fail, because there will also be (IMO) a majority report to seat the delegates, but give them half a vote (like the democrats abroad have, and in effect like what the RNC has done). I think this resolution will pass and obama will still have the lead in delegates (assuming he doesn't have significant losses from here on out. In this case I'd hope they'd also cut the super delegates(many of whom started and facilitated this mess) vote in half also.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 12:35 PM
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17. I think whatever the Clintons want will happen....because no one says no.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 11:22 AM
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6. She's a real disappointment to me. I had such high hopes for her,
Her condescension is duly noted as are her motives, which were never in doubt.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 11:26 AM
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7. Oh yeah, cuz Howard Dean's been the effing problem all along
Does the woman actually believe her own lies? Was she wearing one of those oh so popular 'screw Dean' pins while talking to the press?
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 11:28 AM
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8. D . . . L . . . C . . . . !
that is the answer, the problem, the question and the enemy.

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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 11:49 AM
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12. heh heh - Going down!
:bounce:
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 11:38 AM
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9. Valuable post, madfloridian, thanks. The FL Dems are a petty, childish embarrassment.
Wasserman Schultz is a disgrace to our party. Am trying not to go on another tirade about her today. It's difficult.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 11:43 AM
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10. You must keep up your tirades.
On all things Florida. Our state has become an embarrassment. It is important to speak up about the outrageous things they do.

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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 12:06 PM
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14. Why shouldn't the delegates be apportioned on the primary vote already taken?
"But the delegate apportionment was not set. It will be done by the candidates or the nominee."

WHy should this be done by the candidates or nominee?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 12:33 PM
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16. Because the rules say it can not be. But then who the hell believes in rules?
The primary was not according to party rules. Yeh, I know ...screw the rules. Who needs rules.

Whatever. Whatever Hillary wants, she will get...even if it is over Dean's body and over our bodies.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 12:10 PM
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15. Here is "combative" Bill Nelson...saying Florida may not vote for the Democrat.
Bill Nelson threatens Dean that Floridians may not support the nominee.

Sen. Bill Nelson (D-Fla.) warned the Democratic National Committee (DNC) Thursday that it is facing the “biggest train wreck you’ve ever seen” if a standoff is not resolved over his state’s pledged delegates to the party’s presidential nominating convention.

“If they go to the Democratic Convention and stiff-arm the Florida delegations, how in the world do you think Floridians are going to support the Democratic nominee on Nov. 4?” Nelson told reporters Thursday. “It’s in everybody’s interest to find a solution to this problem.”


Way to be a good Democrat, Bill Nelson.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 06:55 PM
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33. Good then tell Bill Nelson
that whoever wins will make sure his state gets fucked on the federal budget. He wants to play tough guy, let's see how tough he is without his cash. Let's see Florida handle those Hurricanes without federal assistance.

BTW Ex-Floridian here so I have nothing against Florida, hell my parents still live there, but I do have something against someone playing games with the future of this country.
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Symarip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:21 PM
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19. Dupe
Edited on Thu Apr-03-08 01:21 PM by Symarip
Dupe
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Symarip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:21 PM
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20. Yeah. If you stand up for your own party's rules you must be
in some sort of combat zone, charging the fort. Great post, madfloridian.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:23 PM
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21. In return Florida ridicules Dean in the media. Typical.
http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080403/OPINION/80403047/1075

"INSTANT EDITORIAL: Howard Dean surrenders to Florida"

"As Nelson in “The Simpsons” would say, “Hah-hah!” Howard Dean, chairman of the Democratic National Party, has said Florida’s delegates to the party’s national convention will be seated after all.

That’s despite the early primary the state held in January in defiance of the rules of both national parties.

Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton still have to negotiate how the delegates will be apportioned between them, but Florida has called the party’s bluff, and Dean blinked.

Now we need to press ahead against the primary system that triggered the rogue primary in the first place. Instead of giving the early voting each presidential election to the same small, unrepresentative states, set up a system of regional primaries, and rotate the order of voting."

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:29 PM
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22. Yeah, like I believe a freakshow of a hilary
surrogate ..those people are liars. YOu gotta be to support the head liar or you're just not on the clintonlyin'wagon.

I know she's making this up outta thin air to puff her little self up.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 02:30 PM
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24. dam my head is spinning.....
nice try debbie but the democrats in florida voted against the party and the people who you represent
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 04:05 PM
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25. The most combative argumentive state of all...how dare they
say Dean is. They are the most irritating bunch in the union.
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singingbiscuit Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 04:06 PM
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26. THANK YOU!
I appreciate your ability to call these clowns on their endless shite. As if FL doesn't already have enough reasons for the rest of the country to mock us!

Good for you, MF!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 04:11 PM
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27. I was going to back off because of yesterday.
But I won't unless they do. The leaders here need to grow up, read the internet, quit using spin...and just be honest.

Then and only then will they be in the same league as Dean.

He has been a good leader for this party in this interim period. He does not deserve their scorn.
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singingbiscuit Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 04:28 PM
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28. They are not fit
to scrape the gum off the bottom of his shoes with their teeth.

Absolutely... and recommended!
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 07:03 PM
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38. Don't you dare back off, madfloridian. You are a DU Treasure.
:hug: madfloridian :hug:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 06:39 PM
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29. A couple of videos...
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 06:43 PM
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30. Good to see Dean wising up --Finally!
Edited on Thu Apr-03-08 07:01 PM by rodeodance
Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a Clinton supporter, said Dean's tone was much less combative than it had been. "He's finally realized it's counterproductive to our goal of electing the next president of the United States to continue to insist on punishing the state," she said.
Wasserman Schultz says Dean not as combative
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 06:52 PM
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32. Debbie is one of the most "combative" people in FL.
Dean has tried to work with them, but they have blown him off.

The state has hurt our party. Hillary has hurt our party that demanding they be counted. Seated, yes. Counted, no, not yet.

Florida Dems have made assholes out of themselves.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 07:02 PM
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36. She is strong woman who will not be bullied by bullies. Good on her!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 12:42 PM
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46. Now if she would just quit changing primary rules all on her own.
Strong women are one thing. Wrong women who break party rules are another.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 06:49 PM
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31. That will teach them to piss off a madfloridian.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 07:01 PM
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34. It does seem that the jackasses you speak of mostly support Hillary, doesn't it.
Deliberately giving Howard Dean a hard time. God forbid he should be the chairman if Hillary gets elected.

Her people don't seem to care if what he is doing is good for the party if they're not getting a piece of the pie.

I stand with Governor Dean.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 07:57 PM
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39. hillary will make the dlc the real power in the democratic party
not the dnc. the 50 state strategy will be gone along with the another democratic presidency after she leaves
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 08:06 PM
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40. Indeed, and we will then only compete in the states they think we can win
and the Dem parties elsewhere would atrophy.

I do think that Obama is following Dean's strategy though. I was impressed to hear that as he works through one state after another, the info his campaign collects on voters is sent to the DNC.

That's one of the reasons I'm increasingly proud to be an Obama supporter. I may have joined the campaign reluctantly, I am growing to appreciate the man.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 11:25 PM
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45. You are right. The main instigators were just that.
Nelson, Wasserman Schultz, Alcee Hastings, Corinne Brown were the worst.
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ornotna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 08:36 PM
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41. Thank you madfloridian
Your diligence makes it much easier for this cranky Floridian to keep up. k/r
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 09:43 PM
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44. "cranky Floridian"...I relate to that.
:hi:
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 09:39 PM
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43. K&R
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 02:47 PM
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47. You Tube took down the video of Steve Geller....here is another link.
http://blogs.tampabay.com/buzz/files/geller_amendment_fullh.264%20300Kbps.mov

It is in Quicktime, but downloads quickly. I don't see anything at You Tube now about him.

Sure would be nice to have a You Tube link.
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