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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:19 AM Original message |
Why did Hillary back up the Iraq War Lies? |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
1. Because Bill advised her and DC Dems with his privileged access just as he advised Blair. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:24 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. So... why would Bill back up those lies? |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 02:54 PM Response to Reply #3 |
71. I think we can only look to the extended relationship of the Bushes and Clintons that predates |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Bleh... one reason I like Obama |
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Apollo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
2. Why did John Kerry? Why did John Edwards? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Did they say these things too? In December of '03? |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:07 PM Response to Reply #5 |
38. Kerry didn't - |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:08 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Thanks... |
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Pawel K (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:27 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Because they are cowards. The fact so many democrats played along isn't an excuse |
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Apollo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:29 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. In that case, maybe Obama should reject and denounce Kerry's support? |
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Pawel K (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:36 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Not talking about it won't change the fact that it happened |
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speedoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:36 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. Why are you equating the historical and current positions re, Iraq... |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #7 |
14. Is anyone saying that peple need to reject and denounce |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:40 AM Response to Reply #7 |
18. Clinton STOOD by Bush's DECISION to go to war - Kerry didn't and stood against it |
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Apollo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:57 AM Response to Reply #18 |
30. Are you sure about that? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. You wouldn't back up your assertions with quotes. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:07 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. He said so the ENTIRE CAMPAIGN - wrong war at the wrong time REPEATEDLY. |
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Apollo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:13 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Well he did not say it was a mistake on his part to authorize the War |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:20 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Here's an excerpt from a subscript. Chicago Trib article from January2003 - |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:26 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. Thank you. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 02:17 PM Response to Reply #42 |
70. No, that is true only of those who rather than listening to what he said |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #30 |
58. Here are some quotes |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:15 PM Response to Reply #7 |
43. Kerry is not equivilent to HRC |
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Benhurst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:30 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. All of them have blood on their hands for continuing to fund the illegal and immoral occupation. |
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Pawel K (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:32 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. I never said they didn't. But Obama has no blood on his hands in regards to going in |
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Benhurst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:48 AM Response to Reply #9 |
21. Nothing can be done about that now. We don't have to continue |
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Pawel K (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:52 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Welcome to america, you have a douche and turd left |
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Benhurst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:57 AM Response to Reply #23 |
31. Neither of them score highly. Given the nature of his Illinois State Senate district, |
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Pawel K (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:24 PM Response to Reply #31 |
47. You can try to spin why he was against this war all you want |
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Benhurst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:49 PM Response to Reply #47 |
56. I'd prefer to have some one who stands by his convictions. If the war and occupation |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 01:14 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. Are you supporting Hillary? |
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Benhurst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 01:18 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. No. I will have to hold my nose when I vote in November unless |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 01:24 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. I see... |
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Pawel K (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 01:29 PM Response to Reply #56 |
66. I would prefer that too |
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Benhurst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 03:31 PM Response to Reply #66 |
72. No, I think they are both weak. Obama's statement that he wasn't sure how he would have voted if he |
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Pawel K (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 03:35 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. i'll have to respectfully disagree |
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Benhurst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 03:44 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Did you see the DLC's Harold Ford, jr. on Charlie Rose a week or so ago? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 04:50 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. I don't trust the DLC *at all*... they have been trying to claim Obama as one of their own... |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 03:41 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. Which is EXACTLY what the coprat media will say. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:36 AM Response to Reply #2 |
12. The last Dem president was concerned based on HIS privileged access and advised DC Dems |
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Pawel K (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. I didn't know that about Kerry for some reason |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #15 |
59. Here's a 2003 William Pitt article that addresses Kerry's comments in 2003 |
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Apollo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:59 AM Response to Reply #12 |
33. Kerry endorsed the decision to invade Iraq and supported the war |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:23 PM Response to Reply #33 |
45. I posted above - and it is a pretty sad day that a Dem would NEVER LISTEN to the candidate |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 01:38 PM Response to Reply #33 |
67. No he didn't - where were you in 2004 |
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Just-plain-Kathy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #2 |
16. Kerry, Edwards, Clinton, McCain, -they ALL had to know about PNAC... |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:06 PM Response to Reply #2 |
36. Kerry's speech was not rambling and you cherry picked it in a way that Bush would be proud of |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:27 PM Response to Reply #36 |
50. Thank you. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
4. Well, let's bomb everyone! "...we don’t know what the future would" hold! |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:36 AM Response to Reply #4 |
10. In the same interview, she also said... |
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speedoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #10 |
17. Right ,Hillary. Failure was not an option in Vietnam either. |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
19. She wanted her "tough girl bona fides", she was politically afraid of being labeled "unpatriotic" |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:46 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. I think that's the popular take... |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Of course. If she actually believed the trumped up BS from the administration she's intellectually |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:52 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. She still hasn't disavowed the use of torture? |
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Pawel K (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:53 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. I agree, even as an Obama supporter I would like to see a source for that. |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:56 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Didn't you watch the debates? They went around and around this. -eom |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:56 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. It's not true. Here she is speaking against it. |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:11 PM Response to Reply #29 |
41. Here's her interview where she references the "ticking time bomb" scenario bullshit |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:55 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. No, she certainly has not. She dances all around Bush's use of torture and refuses to disavow it. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:59 AM Response to Reply #26 |
32. It looks like she reversed earlier statements... |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:24 PM Response to Reply #32 |
46. I find her default position most troubling & it took her being under the gun to force this out. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:25 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Yeah... I can't help but agree... that's just NOT a subject you vacillate on. |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. And another interview, just in October, it shows her ducking the question explicitly |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Wow... pretending that we don't know. That's indefensible IMO. |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 05:05 PM Response to Reply #51 |
82. Outsourced torture was approved by Bill Clinton |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 06:13 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. I've seen that claim before... |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:39 PM Response to Reply #32 |
53. Note my post further down, 12 days later she flips back - Oct 10th. -eom |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. *sigh* Yeah... |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. I'm with you - it really, really disturbs me, just like the Iraq vote and Kyl-Lieberman. -eom |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
27. Flag waving is always popular for political candidates. Too bad about the slaughter. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #27 |
35. Actually this flag waving helped doom her campaign, IMO. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:09 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. "Practical Politics" has been trumped by reality. |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
57. pbbt. nt. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Oh come on! |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. keep it real girlfriend. nt. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 01:28 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Huh? |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 01:46 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. we're cool de la. nt. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 02:11 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Cool. |
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crankychatter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
78. $$$$$$$$ |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 04:52 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. I wish she'd release those earmarks. |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 04:54 PM Response to Original message |
80. STRATEGERY |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 05:01 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. Heart my ass... head! |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
84. Political Expedience. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:52 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Yeah... |
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