Clinton is finished. She should concede NOW - $20M raised, ~12M in debt

[Hawkeye-X]

OK. I'm calling for Clinton to concede immediately RIGHT NOW - I know I will risk the wrath of the Hillary supporters who continue to support her - I'm still FAILING to understand why, even after Sniper-Gate and other gaffes that Hillary has pulled, and her refusal to release her taxes up until the 20th or a day or so before that, that her supporters are still there. Right now, all she is doing is damaging the Democratic Party by staying and prolonging her candidacy. She has way too much debt load, and even the vendors are letting OTHER vendors not to give her any credit - they want the cash up front. That increases her burn rate by about 35%, and she will be literally out of money before PA voters have the chance to vote, and she will either have to loan herself another 20 million to keep going, or suspend her campaign.

I'm calling for her to quit right now, because not only Obama has outraised her by 2 to 1 margin, Obama carries VERY little debt load and is outspending her 4:1. It is now a political suicide to keep going - everyone by now knows that if she keeps going, she may very well lose her Senate seat in 2012 in a primary, because no New Yorker will extend her credit when she can't even pay her national vendors as far back as Iowa.

Obama still has TONS of money, and can easily transfer more than 3/4ths of the primary funds to GE and STILL have plenty left over to continue to raise funds, visit the states, get the delegates, and at the same time, begin a full-fledged attack on McCain our TRUE enemy and the reason we are waiting for Hillary to stop fucking around and drop out, even before the convention and the GE starts. He still can set up offices in 50 states and lay down the groundwork to support downticket Democrats who are *STILL* waiting for help from the national party, and with Obama's coattails, I believe it is time to start helping them.

With the downticket Democrats, we can easily ensure a very strong House and a filibuster-proof Democratic majority, and begin judical impeachment proceedings (Think of it this way - we can actually try to force the Rethug SCOTUS justices to retire faster) on every fucking Rethugs who just about looks the wrong way. Joe Lieberman can and will be stripped from committee assignements (and literally kick him out) of the Democratic caucus. We have so much to gain, and so little to lose.

If Hillary does the right thing right now, and concedes the primaries to Obama, we can begin the groundwork on Democratic unification - the delegates of Michigan and Florida will be appropriately seated, invited to the DNC convention as honored guests, given back their nominating rights (probably with half a vote). Clinton supporters will have plenty of time to go through the 5 stages, and eventually accept Obama as our Democratic nominee and work, give money, support, and everything they can do to ensure a Democratic president in 2008.

I can say more, but I think I said enough, I could talk about the Democratic Party raising plenty of money to ensure a extremely successful convention, the voting rights, monies to ensure all voters are fully protected, destroy electronic voting system, and destroy Republicans while they're at it.

You are free. Clinton supporters, I encourage you to re-read this post several times, think about it, and I'll be glad to answer questions or criticisms. But I will say one thing - Clinton gave her best, and I stand up and applaud for her, but right now it is time to close a chapter of this 2008 elections. I also applaud her supporters for defending her, but it's time to move forward and look into the future.

Hawkeye-X

[eleny]

1. Did her campaign release their March donations?

I didn't see that. If it's so, I agree with you.

[Hawkeye-X]

4. Full report is not due till April 20th, but preliminary reports shows

that she has raised approximately $20 million.

From MSNBC: http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/03/857116.aspx

[Lucky 13]

14. TIME had the same figure - $20 million for March.

But stated that that was from an "unconfirmed source".


She doesn't need to drop out now. She's done.

Stay. Go. Doesn't matter. She'll be irrelevant soon.

[eleny]

16. Thanks, HX

Those aren't good numbers at all, given her recently discussed debts.

[depakid]

2. She isn't going to quit -so you can save your breath

[Hawkeye-X]

5. Did you even bother reading what I just wrote?

You just read the title, and assume the fact.

[depakid]

10. I read enough of it to know that most of it's been said before- over and over.

People can stomp their feet and whinge all they want, but that's not going to make one bit of difference to Hillary's campaign.

Better strategy- just go out and beat her in the next several primaries.

[Hawkeye-X]

18. Looking ahead - Clinton will be defeated in the next three primaries.

PA, NC and IN. Oregon is Obama country. At best, Clinton will win KY, WV.

Obama is already in single digits in recent polling in PA, still behind, with 3 weeks to go, and can easily (and has already in some polls) capture the lead. NC is in double digits for Obama, and IN with Obama 9 points behind, with over 5 weeks to go.

Hawkeye-X

[depakid]

56. Wishful thinking

We'll see what happens.

[Zachstar]

60. Well lets see.

PA was FIRMLY in Clinton territory for months and then Obama moves in for a bit then it moves into single digits.

Then he has April 23 all the way to May 5 to do major campaigning in two major states. Remember that aspect he has where in states he goes, he reduces Clinton strongholds.

Then all the way to May 12 to campaign in WV (At that point Clinton mise will just stay in for the remaining losing races she will see in the remaining states)

A quick run in Oregon then its off to wear down the Clinton stronghold in Kentucky (By this time Clinton will have so little funds she will barely be able to run an office and a bus)

Then off to Montana and South Dakota to get final wins (If Clinton somehow has not exited)

Do you not see what is happening. Clinton is losing support and funds, super delegates and pledged delegates as states are counted better.

After PA it is not hard to see how Obama can win all the remaining states.

[eleny]

33. "Whinge" is a great word!

I don't call for her to get out, nor do I stomp my feet nor "whinge". I just wait for her to accept the inevitable and let us get on with the national campaign.

You can't run a national campaign on fumes. And 20 million is like smoke when you're opponent is raking in hard cash with the longest rake.

[leftofcool]

3. Nope, too much coming out on O

He's not electable.

[Hawkeye-X]

8. Like what? Rezko turned out to be nothing. Pastorgate is over..

I believe Obama is fully vetted - and Clinton is not even close to being 5% vetted. The Clinton campaign are scraping the bottom of the barrel trying to find something on Obama - so far, nothing even remotely close.

Obama inspires change and hope, and not fear and panic like Clintons love to do. Obama is very, very electable, and I have shown maps today of the states that Obama will carry if he is the nominee. He will win over 280 EV's up to 320 EV's.

Clinton can't even break 270 EV's right now.

Hawkeye-X

[NDambi]

15. Not Pastorgate or Rezko...but he was a member of the black panther party..or

he plotted to overthrow Dairy Queen, or he kicked Mickey Mouse in the Balls..

they are waiting on something, anything...lol

[Hawkeye-X]

25. *BREAKING NEWS*

Resources have shown that Obama once poopied in his pants when he was 2!!! More information to come.....

This is how far the Clinton supporters are desperate to scrape the bottom of the barrel with nothing else left to deal with.

[NDambi]

30. LOL..uh huh

[Hawkeye-X]

39. That's where I got the idea of that comment of mine..

:hi:

[Political Heretic]

42. LOL you should have just wrote "Developing....." like Drudge does! :D

[EFerrari]

29. And it will turn out, he was in the Mickey Mouse club,

once went to a dairy on a 1st grade field trip and liked cats as a child.

lol

[Kittycat]

12. ..

:rofl:

[Lucky 13]

19. Lame. Super weak.

Care to give an example of anything new coming out on "O" or are you just posting for the hell of it?

[EFerrari]

20. If a new scandal about Obama came out every day from here to July 4

he could still never top what people already have on the Clintons.

They are unelectable.

[Political Heretic]

41. LOL like what? Nothing sticks. They throw everything at him and he looks even better.

[joshcryer]

6. MI and FL can get a full vote if she *conceeds*.

There would be no nomination process, she's out of the race, it's over.

Fortunately for the process you're just some dude on a messageboard.

[Hawkeye-X]

9. yes, I'm just one opinion, and I think a lot of people would agree

with this opinion.

If you don't, I understand and respect your wishes.

[anamandujano]

48. . . . . .in this forum anyway, but there's the real world to consider.

[grantcart]

7. BUT

But if you add up what she raised in Feb and March that is greater than

what he raised only in March clearly showing donor remorse for Obama.

Moreover he hasn't raised any money for the GE so that shows that his supporters don't really think he will go that far.

One third of the money for Clinton is set aside for the GE so that shows that she is better prepared than he is for the GE.

Also she wasn't allowed to raise money in Florida or Michigan and would certainly have doubled her total.

Her average is much higher and that shows that her contributors have more faith in her than his contributors do in him.

Since she doesn't pay half of her bills she can use her money twice as much as Obama can.

Her supporters sent in more of their money by check.

More of the checks were written on the 12 largest banks than Obamas.

Most of her contributions were made in round numbers.

Obama should look at that graph and simply give up!!!

[mamalone]

23. :-D

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

thanks for the laugh!

[Millennial]

35. GrantCart your post makes no sense...

Your post was the biggest pile of nonsensical shit I have ever read. None of your reasons back up their claims in any kind of logical matter.

Her average donor gave more money so they have more faith in her??? What? Her supporters sent in more checks than Obama's? So, what does that even prove? Nothing! Where are you even getting your information from?

I hope your post was a joke because if it wasnt then you are a very naive person. Obama will not only win the nomination but he will defeat Mccain as well. The youth of this nation are slowly taking over while the baby boomers voices are becoming supressed. It's just the cold hard truth.

[phrigndumass]

40. It *was* a joke

Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[grantcart]

59. boy you new guys sure are tough

[phrigndumass]

36. Winner!!! ROFL!

:rofl:

[roguevalley]

54. you forgot your sarcasm and smiley things, grantcart. Right? Right?

[NDambi]

11. Even though you can stick a spoon and a straw in her...she won't quit..she's going to go out with

embarrassment.

Maybe that's a good thing..and she and Billy Gruff will slink off into the sunset for good.

[Zachstar]

67. Not for congress tho.

We need to start thinking about the congress situation rather than treating this as some kind of freak show.

[crankychatter]

13. the folks that already donated to Clinton need a return on their investment

and that means frying Obama's ass

he wouldn't take ALL the dough and the powerbrokers consider him a loose cannon

look at all the nasty press he gets, except from the nuclear industry lackeys at msnbc?

isn't it obvious?

clinton ain't just working for clinton

she'll quit when they tell her to quit

this IS a pleasant fiction though, isn't it?

[anamandujano]

17. His only assured win is if he's running unopposed. I love the smell of panic.

[Hawkeye-X]

22. Where did I panic?

Oh please show me in my OP where I panicked. I'm waiting. Clinton is virtually unelectable, no matter how much effort you put in there. You already moved the goalposts WAY past November.

[anamandujano]

27. Your thread is panic. If you were so confident, you'd want a fair race.

Every time I see a thread like this, it makes me :).

[Zachstar]

37. It makes you happy that because this crap continues, Seats in congress are at risk?

You do realize McCain is supporting efforts to get seats as well as his presidency right?

[Hawkeye-X]

43. Bingo. Downtickets are VERY VERY important, and easily forgotten part of the elections..

I even have TWO very valid candidates waiting for support from the national Democratic Party - Rep. Mark Udall is running for an open Colorado seat that is abandoned by Mallard - but he has a opponent that is supported by Big Oil - Bob Schaeffer (a useless piece of GOP shit), and an open seat on District 2 that is being left by Rep. Udall - two very good candidates in Joan Fitz-Gerald and Jared Polis - District 2 is where People's Republic of Boulder is, and we have to show good impression with our candidates.

Hawkeye-X

[anamandujano]

47. Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh!

[Hawkeye-X]

64. No sex subthreads here.

:eyes:

[anamandujano]

46. It would be crap to stop the contest before one gets to 2025.

If Congress is at risk, those spineless creatures should look in the mirror.

What the fuk did they do while they have been in the majority?

[Zachstar]

53. You rather them be the minority?

Oh! I see! That way Obama can spend 4 years in the white house working on his bowling?

WTF? Of course Congress is a big deal!!

[PBS Poll-435]

31. The exact same bull, different day.

You can't win so why even try. Quit now for hope & unity. If you just give up on this silly quest, then we can finally be together again...

Gag. Why do you hate the Democratic Nominating Process?

[Hawkeye-X]

65. Do you realize that the nominating process doesn't even pick the President?

Just the delegates of their choice. The real nomination happens in August in Denver.

Hawkeye-X

[PBS Poll-435]

70. Um.....That is why I said process

Yeah...I think I know how this freaking systems works. Thanks for your concern though!

:patriot:

[NDambi]

26. This is what panic and beatdown looks like...

[americanstranger]

28. Psst. The smell is coming from Camp Clinton.

They're on financial death watch over there.

She can't raise small donations like Obama does. The big donors have maxed out.

She can't even spend all of that $20 mil on the primaries - a percentage has to be put in the bank for the GE.

They're soon going to have to either

1. Stop advertising
2. Lay off/dismiss staff
3. Stiff more vendors
4. Fold the tent

Your candidate is currently being outraised 2:1 by Obama.

If anyone should be panicking, it should be you.

- as

[anamandujano]

51. I didn't start this dumb thread.

[Hawkeye-X]

66. No, but you did start this subthread about panic

Now, stop lying, and think.

Hawkeye-X

[ORDem]

21. The importance of the downticket races is consistently overlooked and IMHO is the MOST important

reason to get our nominee as quickly as possible. Thanks for pointing that out here.

Hillary or Barack are going to be hamstrung if they don't get big majorities in Congress to back them up. Really, people, think about this. Think about how much frickin' damage has been done by BushCo and what it's going to take to repair the damage. Even with filibuster-proof majorities and a Dem President it's going to take a couple of terms to get back on track. We need to pull behind the front-runner, get this phase done, and kick Gooper ass all the way back to the stone age in every state!

:dem:

[PBS Poll-435]

24. Thanks for the advice!

I am sure that this will influence them greatly.
I am so glad that your wisdom in this matter isn't clouded by your rabid support for her opponent.


Seriously, if $$$ is your only basis for this bullshit, then that is just sad.
And I am soo sure she is shaking in her army boots over 2012! A primary challenge?
Again, thanks for your concern. It took a lot for you to put yourself out there like that. Please, come back real soon, ya hear?




ETA - Fix obvious spelling error!

:dunce:

[anamandujano]

32. :)

:thumbsup:

[PBS Poll-435]

45. Thanks for that!

[Zachstar]

34. Oh common Give her April.

I also think she is in the wrong by not exiting the race. However, If Obama gets a net delegate gain for the month (Starting to look possible) Clinton will have nothing to base her claims of him being non electable on.

Just 3 days into the month and Obama is getting good news left and right. 3 weeks and we may see a victory so just keep calm and keep exposing Clinton!

Slow and steady wins the race for April!

[americanstranger]

44. Giving that campaign 3 weeks may be a little generous.

If they keep bleeding money they may have to just fold the tent.

Unless Bill wants to kick in another $5-10 mil from the ol' bank account, they're not going to be able to overcome the debt. It will crush them.

- as

[Zachstar]

50. That is not our problem.

The fact is I want to see this ability to be elected crap end. Obama stands a small chance of winning now so I say let it happen.

Around the 5% range Obama stands to gain more delegates than Clinton.

[Hawkeye-X]

68. OK. Here's how I envision as she drags this for the next three weeks.

She spends all of her remaining primary money on ineffective media buys - here, she's already recycling a Texas ad for PA for the 3am ad - it's already bombing because it's not new, and doesn't really reflect what Clinton will do. She will end her campaign HEAVILY in debt and unable to pay her creditors - so the vendors for next time she thinks about 2012 (whether it be Senate or Presidental run) - will be demanding money up front and it's a higher burn rate than she'd have in the bank. She's already burning 35% higher because of the cash-up-front demands from the new vendors that the campaign set up. She'll be in the red AGAIN by next week. As a matter of fact, she'll be laughed out of the primaries when she's begging for cash again before the PA primaries.

Hawkeye-X

[RememberWellstone]

38. OK, sure thing!

I'll call her right now! I am sure that now since YOU have called for her to give up she will.:sarcasm:

[zulchzulu]

49. Let her be humiliated in Pennsylvania first

[kwenu]

52. Leave her alone. This is how she wants to go out: Bankrupt and in shame!!!!

[Zachstar]

55. For April perhaps, Yet afterward it really is time to get to work on congressional seats.

This is serious folks. There is so much damage to fix that democrats need to get big wins in congress to get this going in a reasonable timetable.

The republicans know their chances for McCain as president is almost nil so they likely will focus on congress.

[mrJJ]

57. Let her run

Let her keep running. She's a big girl & can decide when & where she'll concede the race. The superdelegates would have moved to her column by now if they were going to do it. If the so called Party elders dont want to make their move to one of the candidates so be it. You can't blame her because it really isnt over till those supers make their move.

Btw I am not a card carrying Dem. I do however support Sen Obama in this Dem race. Either the superdelegates move to one side or the other or the race continues... thats really all thats left.

[loyalsister]

58. Democrats are better than that

We should not be asking for concessions.
Forget the old front loaded primary.
I think that as Democrats a central tenet to our platform is to believe in elections that run under the rules stated. This is an election that can continue as long as there are states with scheduled elections. If the candidates want it that way that is how it should stay. Voters all across the country will have a say for once.

[Hawkeye-X]

61. Kicking for the evening crew..

[krawhitham]

62. how much of that 20M is just for the GE?

[backscatter712]

63. Don't call for her to quit! Her campaign will run out of gas on its own...

You've seen the money figures.

Obama's blown her doors off.

And he's buying tons of ads in Pennsylvania, making sure he's getting noticed, and Clinton's simply going to aggravate the bleeding trying to keep up.

Be patient. Her campaign will fall. Just be patient, make a bowl of popcorn so you have something to munch when you watch the final implosion, and trust that it will happen.

[Hawkeye-X]

69. I'm merely trying to help the Clinton campaign, but if they don't want to listen, it's their problem

I'm out of this campaign - I'm not giving her a pfenning, and neither should her supporters or her fatcat donors - to pay down her debt. She did this on her own, she should forgive her loan, and loan more money from her personal wealth and pay it off.

Hawkeye-X

[totodeinhere]

71. History tells us that the candidate with the most money doesn't always win.

Obama will almost certainly pull it out, but the mere fact that Clinton is running out of money isn't enough to get her out of the race IMO.

[populistdriven]

72. K&R!!! We can't kick her out or we would! She should concede for the Democratic party!