They all laughed...

[lwcon]

... when I started my http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5347643&mesg_id=5347643">boycott.

Apparently, Air America's advertiser http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/03/air-america-host-suspended-for-clinton-remarks/
">blinked when I deleted XM from my SkiFi channel list. That must have been it.

So will I stop boycotting Air America now? Fuck no.

Maybe Randi was the only one calling Hillary a "http://www.correntewire.com/stay_classy_randi">big fucking whore," but almost all of her peers share her penchant for non-stop trashing of the Clintons and the half the party that supports Hillary for president.

I don't begrudge the AAR jocks the right to prefer Obama, but I'll be damned if I'll listen to them catapult bullshit spin against one of two generally similar Democratic candidates while claiming to be the progressive network.

Suspending Randi is a good start, but not nearly enough.

And fuck you in advance for your post saying that Hitlery Klanton isn't really a Democrat. Just fuck you. She and Obama are centrists with practically identical voting records. I like her a little better, maybe more than a little. Deal with it. Disagreeing about things like that didn't used to be grounds for being made persona non grata in progressive forums. But thanks to the great Unifiers of the Obama base, that's what's happening at every turn.

All this crap that dehumanizes Hillary (calling her a bitch, whore, monster, zombie, and part of a machine), it's such a pathetic spectacle for the party I've been loyal to my entire life. Shame on Randi, and shame on all of you who play that game.

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[bain_sidhe]

1. Thank you

I have decided that Obama has the best chance to win the General, but I still like and respect Hillary, and she'll always have a place in my heart. The outright loathing of, and despicable personal attacks on, Clinton here makes my blood boil.

[lwcon]

2. Wow, that is so nice to hear!

I can't tell you how rare it is for me to interact with an Obama supporter who doesn't pretend away all the bullying that's being done on his behalf.

Even when I was an active Edwards supporter, that abusive, swarming behavior really turned my stomach, and I wrote this satire about it just after he pulled out of the race:

http://www.correntewire.com/why_i_hate_hillary_clinton

It was a not-insignificant part of my decision to haul in with her instead of Senator Obama.

And, BTW, I will vote for either one of them in the general.

I really appreciate your reply!

LWCON / Vast Left



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[bain_sidhe]

10. :-)

Not a problem. I was neutral until just recently, and what put me slightly over to Obama was the press hostility to Clinton. We've already seen--twice--how that hostility toward our candidate can cost us the election.

The press seems to like Obama, so I'm hopeful that they'll be more neutral in the GE. That's the whole basis of my decision to "support"* Obama. Of course, they LOVE McCain, so we'll just have to see how that plays out. I really don't have a clear idea of how the "Obama love" vs "McCain love" will play out in the press... but I have a fair certainty of how the press would play it with Hillary as the nominee, and it doesn't look good.

(Have I mentioned lately that it INFURIATES ME that the press has so much power? But I'm not going to beat my head against that brick wall in this election, because it's too important to get a Democrat in the White House.)

*-I put "support" in quotes because I still think Hillary would probably be a better President on the nuts and bolts level. But there's something to be said for capturing the imagination of the public, which Obama does.

That said, I don't think his victory in the GE is a slam-dunk either. I have to shake my heads at people predicting a blow-out against McCain. Not gonna happen. Or, rather, it COULD happen, but it's long odds.

OTOH, if it *does* happen, we have SOOOO much to gain, as a country and as progressives. So, given that either one is a gamble, I'm going for the one that, IMHO, has the potential of actually transforming the dynamic of our politics.

[Texas Hill Country]

3. K&R

[TTUBatfan2008]

4. Wait, so now Obama's a centrist?

Her campaign has been trying to claim he's too liberal to get elected.

[lwcon]

12. Please wake me when Obama stops being a centrist

He's an even bigger triangulator than the Clintons, and yes that's saying a lot:
http://www.correntewire.com/triangulation_the_next_generation

That's why when Edwards pulled out, Hillary was the rational choice for this dyed-in-the-wool progressive.

She's far from a paragon of far-left liberalism, but she's not going to badmouth "socialized medicine," for one thing:
http://www.correntewire.com/the_audacious_book_salon_chapter_one_and_done

And he's continually overplayed the faith card about 1000% times more obnoxiously than she ever has:
http://www.correntewire.com/barack_still_putting_the_u_s_into_jesus

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[Neshanic]

5. The Obama MSM love fest is in overdrive. Tweets is all a-twitter

about his big date with him last night, and his big questions. All nodding heads agreed, the two Philly radio hosts...

It's hard to imagine that Randy was this blatant. I don't understand it. But the Obama-fest continues unabated. Until the republicans go after him. Then they can show all the love given to Obama during the primaries when they go at him, and will be given a pass on the most heinous of attack ads.

[cooolandrew]

6. We love you from Team Obama. Big hugs.

[walldude]

7. Same game Hillary supporters play

I personally think Randi crossed the line. However I'm tired of each side bashing the other. I just came off a thread where they were complaining about the name calling in one breath and then calling someone else a fucking idiot in the next. Both sides are guilty. Problem is people are so full of themselves that they won't admit they play the same stupid game everyone else does. I made a vow today to not attack either candidate, I'll attack their supporters, I'll attack McCain all day long but I will not post anything negative about either candidate. One of them needs to win. Sure I'm biased towards Obama but I'm not going to not vote for Hillary out of some bizarre sense of pride or spite. Too much at stake.

[PoliticalAmazon]

8. Hillary dehumanized herself when she started using Rove tactics. She has earned...

...every bit of the animosity coming to her from the Obama supporters because of her relentless disrespect paid to Obama supporters. The fact that she lies in these attacks on us is quite well understood, and many of us have turned against her because of it.

Not all Democratic Party voters are doormats. Some of us do remember how she voted while Senator with the neocons and against the Democratic Party rank-and-filers. She dissed us then, and she is dissing us again.

Enough. We get it. She thinks we are stupid and delusional.

But I guarantee you, by the time this election is through, one thing she will KNOW we aren't: Doormats.

[bain_sidhe]

9. Yeah, but it seems to me that

most of the attacks from the Obama supporters are against *Hillary* herself, and the attacks from Clinton supporters are against Obama *supporters.*

That's what it looks like to me.

[lwcon]

16. I can speak from a relatively objective position...

... as an Edwards supporter who was cast adrift when he bowed out.

The way I saw it, was that a great many Obama supporters were swarmingly abusive to anyone who so much as thought their candidate was fallible.

That sort of behavior leads to some unflattering impressions of Obama's base, or at least elements thereof.

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[Raffi Ella]

11. Air America has become Our Fox Newz.

I thought it would be a good to have OUR version of talk radio but extremism in any form is not a good idea.

I like getting the Democratic perspective but there needs to be a balance; otherwise it's an echo chamber and attracts the like minded which only perpetuates group think.

Look at the sexist remarks being thrown all over D.U. after what Randi said about Hillary. That is a perfect example of group think: an 'authority' says something outrageous; it's accepted by people as OK because "they" said it.

Limbaugh's livelihood depends on group think and works because republicans like to be led in that way.

Debate, different perspectives, all walks of life and respect for all of those walks - that is what the Democratic Party is about to me. Air America has some good people but over all I think left wing radio doesn't work because Democrats think for themselves.

[lwcon]

13. And what a weird kind of extremism it is

I'm a frequent Obama critic, but it's not lost on me that politically these two are quite similar. There is no earthly reason to throw mud at the Clintons, and I do mean mud, by buying into the memes of low-information voters and the radical right, instead of making a rational case for why they prefer Obama to Hillary.

Again, it's perfectly fair that some may prefer him, which nearly all the AAR jocks do. But show a little sophistication and awareness of the facts and fair play, fer crissakes.


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[kevinmc]

14. I bet you can crap gold if you tried .... you are like a God .... n/t 8-)

[NC_Nurse]

15. I don't listen to AAR, but I was shocked that Randi called Hillary a whore.

That's just over the line. I'm not a Hillary supporter, but there's no reason to act like that.
I've only listened to Randi a couple of times years ago, sounds like she's become the Left's Billo or Rush.
Yikes.

[lwcon]

17. It's just like Samantha Power's "monster" line

These people are hermetically sealed in a world where Obama can do no wrong, and his rivals simply have to be the devil, and it just isn't healthy.


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[NC_Nurse]

19. I've heard some derogatory crap from both sides. I would like to point out

that Obama didn't say that, just like Clinton didn't say the crap that Ferraro spewed.

[lwcon]

20. What Ferraro said was incredibly similar to Obama's own comments

Rather different from the constant dehumanizing of Hillary that comes from Obama's supporters (as well as trumping the phrase "fairy tale" and praise for LBJ's role in civil rights into racism).

http://www.correntewire.com/will_hillary_clinton_distance_herself_from_barack_obamas_racist_remarks

[NC_Nurse]

22. I see a very distinct difference between what he said and what Ferraro said.

My point was that Obama himself didn't say the "monster" comment just like many of the things
that Obama supporters have been upset by were not actually said by Clinton.

[Joe the Revelator]

18. Another member of the "poor little me" crowd

Its getting REAL tired.

[lwcon]

21. So is the prevalence of assholes on DU

That's getting pretty tired, too.

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