No, Hillary doesn't have to apologize for joking about sniper fire.

[DarienComp]

Sorry, but this is ridiculous. Was the joke funny? That's a matter of opinion. But we've all been joking about it for the past two weeks! Please let's not be hypocrites.

And the 40th anniversary of MLK's assassination is tomorrow.

Okay.

On edit: some of you have commented that Hillary should be apologizing for actually lying about Tuzla, and on that point you have absolutely no argument from me.

Uh oh, now everyone is gonna hate me.

[AX10]

1. Thanks!

:thumbsup:

[Cali_Democrat]

2. I don't think people at DU are running for president

It's absolutely SICK to joke about something that has caused MILLIONS of deaths.

[MADem]

5. What a load of sanctimonious horseshit! What's SICK is your absurd effort at

"outrage."

[DarienComp]

6. Come on.

That would make ME sick, since I've done it. Or it only becomes sick when you do it while running for office?

I don't get it.

[thewiseguy]

7. Some DUers do very terrible things. Does that mean Hillary can do them too?

[DarienComp]

12. See, that's the thing... I fail to see how it's terrible.

:shrug:

[thewiseguy]

21. Well allow me to make an effort...

1- She lied in order to boost her experience claim.

2- She tried to make light of her lie by joking about it, so that hopefully people would get over it.

3- Her joke and lies about sniper fire do illustrate her lack of sensitivity on this grave issue.

4- Hillary voted for the IWR and I do not need to remind you of how many of our guys have died because of sniper fire. (For real)

5- The sniper fire that Hillary joked about has killed children in Bosnia.

Now Bush also made a joke about WMDs. He also lied about the fact that there were WMDs for his own reasons. I am sure there were some other idiots who also made jokes about the fact that there were no WMDs found, and thought it was funny for the president to make such a joke too.

[cliffordu]

33. And allow me to help:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/03/30/2008-03-30_hillary_clintons_lie_hits_real_sniper_vi.html

A real sniper fire experience, not one confabulated for personal gain.

[DarienComp]

35. The only thing I would say

is that people actually did die because of Bush's WMD lies, so of course his joking about it was totally outrageous. In the Tuzla situation, it is obvious that nobody died, since there was no sniper-fire, hence Hillary looking ridiculous when she claimed that there was.

[bilgewaterbill]

11. Quit joking about cars, too!

What a maroon!!

[musicblind]

51. Yes! And no jokes involving people walking into bars! Alcohol kills people every year!

[bilgewaterbill]

56. WHAT?!?!? When di this come out ?? OMG, I'm a dead man!

[onenote]

29. but its not sick when anyone else does it?

[rodeodance]

63. get a grip on yourself

[Unsane]

3. It's the eve of his death. Parse it however you want. It was a terrible "joke."

[MADem]

8. If it were the eve of his death, today would be April 3, 1968.

[Ddan]

26. OK, so

the eve of the anniversary of his death. That doesn't change the fact that she lied.

[MADem]

45. What do you want her to do?

Really?

Should she get out a ceremonial knife, cut her head, bleed onto white robes, and whip herself with chains studded with nails?

Would that make you happy?

If you don't like her, don't fucking vote for her. But chill with the fake outrage. It's entirely unconvincing, and makes you look incredibly foolish.

[CoffeeCat]

47. I will say this about this topic...

I find it in really poor taste that Hillary would use humor to highlight
the fact that she lied about experiencing sniper fire.

Her joke reminded everyone that she told a really big lie.

I'm not saying she should be whipped or that this is a total outrage.

I just thought it was a bad decision.

[musicblind]

53. Well I appreciate you being rational on it. I know that you don't like her at all.

It is shocking me how many people are faking "outrage" over this. I could understand the outrage over her original lie, but being outraged over the joke is far fetched. She had two options. She could ignore it, and let it fester, or she could tell a joke about it and SEE if it lightened the mood. I didn't see the joke, just read it, but knowing her lack of comical ability it probably did nothing to lighten the mood. The Bosnia debacle seems like it is turning out to be her big misstep. The joke... not so much.

[MADem]

67. Maybe that's her way of acknowledging her error, and not shrinking from it.

REALLY...think about it. The way to not have people CONFRONT your FUCKUP is to NOT MENTION IT.

I thought she did well on Leno, even though I don't like the guy.

[AZBlue]

4. So because others made inappropriate jokes it's ok for a PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE to as well?

Is that a new rule in your sandbox?

[onenote]

31. Only if you think the jokes were inappropriate.

I don't.

And I'm an Obama supporter, btw.

[cliffordu]

9. Ok, How about someone more recently killed by a sniper??

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/03/30/2008-03-30_hillary_clintons_lie_hits_real_sniper_vi.html


She keeps telling everyone she's ready to lead on day one.

[DJ13]

10. I dont really think her timing is whats sick

Whats sick are those who are willing to forgive a deliberate lie, and think her making jokes about it is okay.

[DarienComp]

17. You're only half-right about me.

I haven't forgiven her lie. But I think the joke was okay, if a little dumb.

[DJ13]

20. I wasnt talking about you, consider my post a preemptive strike...

....on the Clinton supporters thinking she's diffused her getting caught in a lie by joking about it on national TV.

:hi:

[DarienComp]

25. Fair enough...

honestly, I'm not surprised that the joke is going over like a lead balloon... The whole Tuzla flap really hurt her, so I guess the compassionate part of me wants to give her a pass at her ham-handed (as usual) attempt at diffusing it.

:hi:

[quakerboy]

13. I would actually agree with you there

It was relatively stupid, as jokes go. But she has taken some news fire for it. If she wants to remind people of her "little oops", thats all good by me.

[JBoy]

14. I'd settle for her apologizing for LYING about sniper fire. n/t

[DarienComp]

18. no argument here

[cliffordu]

22. Yeah, she should apologize to some vets wounded by snipers on

Jay fucking Leno

[rocktivity]

15. If she were to apologize for LYING about being under sniper fire

I would not be insulted.

:headbang:
rocknation

[writes3000]

16. The irony is that some are angry that Randi Rhodes' free speech has been clipped.

We all have to be careful when we seek to police the words of those that disagree with us.

We can say we disagree. But demanding that they take back the words or be admonished gets into dangerous territory.

[helderheid]

19. are you serious? What JOKE?

[Catherine Vincent]

23. Recommended!

[A-Schwarzenegger]

24. Next: A joke about a "flawless campaign" that lost all its wheels and went in the ditch.

Sad.

[C_U_L8R]

27. I missed her joke

I mean I didn't see/hear her joke.
What could possibly be funny about her repeated confabulation?
That she didn't think she'd get caught?
That the flower girl and the pilot totally busted her lying ass?
That her lies about NAFTA or Northern Ireland weren't as blatant?
That's all pretty funny in a very pathetic way.

[onenote]

28. thanks.

[cliffordu]

30. Reply to edit:

Nah, I don't hate ya.

:patriot:

[DarienComp]

38. Thanks.

:hi:

[pettypace]

32. nytimes front page now

[cliffordu]

34. DING DING DING We have a winner!!!

Ah.....

I love the sight of someone flushing their political career down the toilet on the front page of the NYT...


ROFL

:applause:

[musicblind]

57. Interesting that the New York Times had nothing negative to say about it.

It seemed like a rather humanizing piece and good publicity. Though people will not forget the Bosnia gaff that easily.

[TahitiNut]

41. That's sick.

Even granting that Leno and his writers gave her the material ... that's sick.

Maybe Hillary should talk to the survivors of Charles Whitman's meltdown from the Texas Tower.

:puke:

[bevoette]

36. she SHOULD apologize...just for not being able to tell a good joke

terrible delivery, lol

[Hugabear]

37. It was kinda funny

I can see where a lot of people might find it offensive, and it doesn't change the fact that she shouldn't have "misspoken" about it. But still, it was kinda funny.

[TahitiNut]

43. Lots of yuks. I guess the folks of Austin, Texas, thought August 1, 1966, was a real laugher.

:eyes:

[cliffordu]

52. I remember seeing that on TV....

There are still pock marks in the marble where his bullets struck.

[TahitiNut]

58. Most of the country was glued to the TV ... pale at the terror we were seeing

Fourteen totally innocent people were murdered and over 30 were wounded ... just going about their lives around the campus. Whitman had a malignant brain tumor ... and he may have gotten treatment if this country were not inclined to make health a PROFIT-MAKING opportunity.
:puke:

(Some of us recall what living in a combat zone was like ... where snipers were a constant possibility. "Don't salute me, bro.")

[cliffordu]

59. That's right -

'Salute me again and I'll kick your ass.......now go dig in, FNG!!!!

[kevinmc]

39. I think she should have to go on Leno every night until she can deliver a joke properly .. n/t

Paid for by

[DarienComp]

42. oh dear...

there's certainly no need to punish the American people like that...

:hide:

[loveangelc]

40. well it was lame anyway. lol

[lumberjack_jeff]

44. You're absolutely right. She doesn't. She doesn't because it was funny. n/t

[nebula]

46. Monsters don't have to apologize for anything

I agree!

[rodeodance]

64. I see you still have not grown up. What an IMMATURE post!

Monsters don't have to apologize for anything

I agree!

[nebula]

66. Yeah, because it takes a MATURE, expert candidate

to fabricate a ridiculous story about being under imaginary fire in Bosnia.

I can see what you mean. My bad!

[rodeodance]

68. Smearing a Democratic Pres candidate with name calling of "Monsters" is childish

[Life Long Dem]

48. What about the killed troops in Bosnia over terrorist attacks?

This is the person who said Kerry was off base with his fudged joke? Perhaps an apology from her is in order.

[DarienComp]

49. I just don't think it's fair to broaden it out to all of Bosnia

The issue has always been Hillary's landing at Tuzla and whether there was sniper-fire on that day. Video clearly showed that there wasn't. Hillary clearly lied. Nobody died that day. That's why I think that the comparison to Bush or even Kerry's botched joke is off.

Hillary's use of the word 'sniper-fire' in the joke was clearly a reference to her Tuzla landing. She wasn't joking about other troops killed in Bosnia, much less anyone who was killed by a sniper in the history of the world.

Well, anyway. I can't keep posting tonight-- bedtime. :boring::boring::boring:

[musicblind]

50. K & R

[Catherina]

54. She doesn't need to apologize. The joke's only problem is that it's on Hillary n/t

[BenDavid]

55. No soldiers were killed in Bosnia/kosovo and hrc need not

extend an apology.....Maybe you obama folks have your panties in such a wad that you cannot see the humor.....but if I recall correctly you all were not this pissed when bush had his little video at the White House Correspondents Dinner when he was searching all over the white house for the missing weapons of mass destruction and this was going on when our men and women were being killed in Iraq....so understand the damn difference.....

[cliffordu]

60. Ok, BenDavid, since my panties are in a wad,

why don't you write a nice letter to the family of this guy

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/03/30/2008-03-30_hillary_clintons_lie_hits_real_sniper_vi.html


and split hairs with them. I'm sure they'll love your acumen.

[spuds]

61. joke?

hell that was a lie as plane as the nose on your face it's not the first time she talked about that made up crap. damn dramma queen

[Jed Dilligan]

62. If she had done her duty in 2002 and voted against

sending Americans into sniper fire (and other deadly threats) needlessly, I would agree with you. The lie is much worse than the joke, but the joke is extra-bad as well.

[Raine]

65. I just can't understand why

she wants to keep reminding people of her lie. :shrug: