It is Clinton's campaign not Senator Clinton.

[DUyellow]

Now granted, she does pick her team, and she does have the controle of it.

However, its people like Wolkson, Penn, and Kiki (not sure of her last name) that spin everything possible. Seriously, the smallest things that do not need to be spun are spun. The American people are sick of the spin, they are sick of dishonesty, they are sick of being told what to believe.

I have no doubt in my mind that the people around Senator Clinton believe in her, and probably believe they are getting screwed by the media. Maybe they are, but that is their own fault. Senator Clinton could have had the Obama message, but they didn't. They had the message of "we are going to have a conversation" She was reaching out to their base, and that was it, they isolated them selfs.

1.27 million people donating to Obama because they see something in him, for the most part he is up front with the them. Yeah sure, the campaign has spun, has messed up, he is still a politician. But for about 80% of the time (if not more) he has kept his promise. He has had the same message and has not changed once. It gives him credibility.

A great example, the "I found my own voice" moment. If you really look back at it, she found her voice and then she let Penn, Wolfson, and Kiki change her voice. At that moment she could have had a come back, the media got it's ass kick (rightly so, the last 20 sec of this clip proves that http://youtube.com/watch?v=uBVd-Ex-Nxc ) But something happened, she lost SC, and then was not prepared for after Super Tuesday, and they took a beating. Then we had February, with all those small states, and it gave Obama the lead, and Senator Clinton lost her voice. (by the way, it was all grass roots in those states. In my town in VA, the Obama campaign came in 5 days before the election and we already had 70% of the city covered door to door before they steeped foot in the city.)

Now it is arguable what did it, SC or Super Tuesday, but ultimately she stopped listening to herself and went back to Penn, Wolfson, and Kiki.

It is not over, but if Senator Clinton does lose the Dem Nomination, it wasn't because of her polices or they way she debated or even related to people who came out to see her. It was when the fact that she took every cheep shot she could take at Obama and she was reading it on off a piece of paper, most likely drafted by Penn, Wolfson, and Kiki.

[FrenchieCat]

1. But the buck stops at the person running for the office,

right? :shrug:

[DUyellow]

2. True, and i stated that. Her team lost this, hands down.

[global1]

6. It Was Her Judgement To Put These People In The Positions They Are In ......

in her campaign and her judgement to listen to these same people tell her what to do. Overall - they and she have not run a good campaign. They thought and she thought she'd run away with the nomination. They didn't and she didn't have a contingency plan. They don't and she don't have a good ground game when they hit a new primary state. They don't and she don't have good fund raising capabilities. They have encouraged her and she went along with changing messages and directions throughout the whole campaign. She is behind in states won. She is behind in pledged delegates. She is behind in the popular vote. The only thing she is leading in is in super delegates - mostly because of the clout of her former president husband - and now previously uncommitted supers are moving toward Obama and others previously in her camp are tetering.

This campaign can be considered as an indication of how she would run the government if she was president - and its lack of success doesn't bode well for her.

[DUyellow]

3. Nobody feels the same way?

[DJ13]

4. I do, but I was sick of this crowd back in the 90's

Hillary did herself no favors surrounding herself with Bill's campaign people for her own run.

Made her look like she wasnt her own person.

[tularetom]

5. Right, but she did not have to read the shit they wrote

And I think a lot of the nasty stuff she said came right from the fevered brain of bill clinton who has never been shy about trashing progressives or democrats in general.

[DarienComp]

7. yep. that's pretty much it.

[Alcibiades]

8. You are right about the spin

Although Sen Clinton herself has shown some poor judgment, the spin has been self-defeating. They spin things that don't even need to be spun, no matter how ephemeral, even if it doesn't need to be spun. This has been similar to the Bush admin, and similar to Bill Clinton's administration. Up is down! we need to win the big states! (Even though winning the states you win in the primary is no guarantee whatsoever of winning them in the general election and the electoral college systematically favors a coalition of the small states such as that cobbled together by the republicans, a fact every kid learns in freshman poli sci, but I guess Clinton's people didn't take political science. Probably a bunch of lawyers.)

[bobthedrummer]

9. She's a DLC whore.

Here's her pic with Al From from the DLC's Leadership page at their web site, she's Chair of the DLC's American Dream Initiative and her visage floats above the web site
http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ka.cfm?kaid=137

I finally woke up to what the DLC is about-they hate and abandonded the majority of the Democratic Party's base decades ago, they are a RW founded and funded political machine inside the Democratic Party.

If anyone thinks that I'm going to vote for a candidate that supports the same policies as the neocons of the inner circle of the BFEE, knowing that the DLC's leading policy think tank is funded by the same extreme RW sources (The Bradley Foundation) that initiated the funding of PNAC, well they can go Cheney themselves.

Take a few minutes and review what I learned about these whores (of either gender) in the archived GD thread below.

"Inconvenient truths about the New Democrats, the Third Way, Democratic Leadership Council, etc."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2973191

[DUyellow]

11. is it really that bad?

[undeterred]

12. yes it is

and her tears saying how much she cares turn my stomach

[bobthedrummer]

14. They are BFEE moles, they are evil, eom.

[BlueIdaho]

10. How can you trust HRC to run an entire country

If she can't even run her own campaign?

She doesn't deserve to be President of the United States.

[ginnyinWI]

13. It's been a sloppy campaign.

And she should be experienced enough by now to be able to run it right. But she's listening to the wrong people and believing they are wise.

We have to conclude that as President she'd do the same thing--listen to the wrong people and show poor judgment.

This country is in such a shambles right now. We dare not hand over the reins to somebody who doesn't know what they are doing!