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johan helge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 02:27 AM
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Krugman: Hillary can fight Republican health care madness better than Obama
From http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/04/opinion/04krugman.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin:

Voodoo Health Economics

By PAUL KRUGMAN

Published: April 4, 2008

Elizabeth Edwards has cancer. John McCain has had cancer in the past. Last weekend, Mrs. Edwards bluntly pointed out that neither of them would be able to get insurance under Mr. McCain’s health care plan.

It’s about time someone said that and, more generally, made the case that Mr. McCain’s approach to health care is based on voodoo economics — not the supply-side voodoo that claims that cutting taxes increases revenues (though Mr. McCain says that, too), but the equally foolish claim, refuted by all available evidence, that the magic of the marketplace can produce cheap health care for everyone.

As Mrs. Edwards pointed out, the McCain health plan would do nothing to prevent insurance companies from denying coverage to those, like her and Mr. McCain, who have pre-existing medical conditions.

The McCain campaign’s response was condescending and dismissive — a statement that Mrs. Edwards doesn’t understand the comprehensive nature of the senator’s approach, which would harness “the power of competition to produce greater coverage for Americans,” reducing costs so that even people with pre-existing conditions could afford care.

This is nonsense on multiple levels.

For one thing, even if you buy the premise that competition would reduce health care costs, the idea that it could cut costs enough to make insurance affordable for Americans with a history of cancer or other major diseases is sheer fantasy.

Beyond that, there’s no reason to believe in these alleged cost reductions. Insurance companies do try to hold down “medical losses” — the industry’s term for what happens when an insurer actually ends up having to honor its promises by paying a client’s medical bills. But they don’t do this by promoting cost-effective medical care.

Instead, they hold down costs by only covering healthy people, screening out those who need coverage the most — which was exactly the point Mrs. Edwards was making. They also deny as many claims as possible, forcing doctors and hospitals to spend large sums fighting to get paid.

And the international evidence on health care costs is overwhelming: the United States has the most privatized system, with the most market competition — and it also has by far the highest health care costs in the world.

Yet the McCain health plan — actually a set of bullet points on the campaign’s Web site — is entirely based on blind faith that competition among private insurers will solve all problems.

I’d like to single out one of these bullet points in particular — the first substantive proposal Mr. McCain offers (the preceding entries are nothing but feel-good boilerplate).

As I’ve mentioned in past columns, the Veterans Health Administration is one of the few clear American success stories in the struggle to contain health care costs. Since it was reformed during the Clinton years, the V.A. has used the fact that it’s an integrated system — a system that takes long-term responsibility for its clients’ health — to deliver an impressive combination of high-quality care and low costs. It has also taken the lead in the use of information technology, which has both saved money and reduced medical errors.

Sure enough, Mr. McCain wants to privatize and, in effect, dismantle the V.A. Naturally, this destructive agenda comes wrapped in the flag: “America’s veterans have fought for our freedom,” says the McCain Web site. “We should give them freedom to choose to carry their V.A. dollars to a provider that gives them the timely care at high quality and in the best location.”

That’s a recipe for having healthy veterans drop out of the system, undermining its integrated nature and draining away resources.

Mr. McCain, then, is offering a completely wrongheaded approach to health care. But the way the campaign for the Democratic nomination has unfolded raises questions about how effective his eventual opponent will be in making that point.

Indeed, while Mrs. Edwards focused her criticism on Mr. McCain, she also made it clear that she prefers Hillary Clinton’s approach — “Sen. Clinton’s plan is a great plan” — to Barack Obama’s. The Clinton plan closely resembles the plan for universal coverage that John Edwards laid out more than a year ago. By contrast, Mr. Obama offers a watered-down plan that falls short of universality, and it would have higher costs per person covered.

Worse yet, Mr. Obama attacked his Democratic rivals’ health plans using conservative talking points about choice and the evil of having the government tell you what to do. That’s going to make it hard — if he is the nominee — to refute Mr. McCain when he makes similar arguments on behalf of such things as privatizing veterans’ care.

Still, health care ought to be a major issue in this campaign. I wonder if we’ll have time to discuss it after we deal with more important subjects, like bowling and basketball.

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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 02:28 AM
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1. Here it comes. Wait for it!
:popcorn:
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 02:33 AM
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2. 4 paragraph rule. I liked the last paragraph.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 02:33 AM
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3. One day the GOP will return to remove susidies and with mandates people would be stuck. US needs the
DK plan.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 02:34 AM
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4. The GOP would return if Obama's plan is inacted.
Because it would fail miserably.

This plan wouldn't, and the people would not allow the GOP to reverse it.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 02:36 AM
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5. The problem is that Hillary could never get her bill past the house
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 02:48 AM
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10. Yes, you Obama supporters have shown your lack of progressivism before.
It would pass resoundingly.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 02:38 AM
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6. The president can have a plan but it is up to congress to take action.
So if it is fail then they will not implement it. And a better one is not likely to be Vetoed by Obama.

So can we chill about the healthcare deal? That is congressional territory.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 02:49 AM
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11. Yeah, I'm hoping Hillary and Edwards push their health care reform through.
Obama would be hard pressed not to sign it then.

But we'll have to see what happens.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:07 AM
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15. Well then they ought to get started in May.
And let us spend these lull months working on getting filibuster proof majorities in both parts of congress so that the bill stands a better chance.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:12 AM
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17. I think Obama would veto it.
Even if the congress keeps failing to pass his stuff. Democrats are pragmatists, so they'd pass his bill.

Then we'd lose to the GOP in 2016.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 05:09 AM
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21. Edwrads has been
...a true leader on this one.
Hillary has the determination to see this one through.

Without a doubt she is the strongest candidate now running on this issue.
To me arguably the most important domestically next to the overall economic health.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 02:42 AM
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7. Too bad that you chose for your headline to highlight a negative on Obama....
Edited on Fri Apr-04-08 02:44 AM by FrenchieCat
instead of McCain.

Mandates would be stripped from any bill that Hillary would propose, if somehow she was able to Win the GE touting mandates.....but since Hillary won't win the Democratic nomination, it doesn't matter anyway.

During the GE, Dem Nominee Obama will win the health care debate against McCain.

So Krugman's point is great for a Democratic primary race (if it was early in the game)......but in terms of winning the GE, Obama has actually positioned himself much better than Hillary....and since it appears that he will be the nominee, we won't have to fight for mandates in the General Election (a losing proposition). Thank Goodness for that....as there will be a whole lot of other things to debate McCain about, without having to deal with what many Independents and Republicans would feel they would need to hit back on.

It will be easier to pass a health care plan without mandates, in particular because President Obama will have a majority of Democrats from Republican districts who will be able to get done what needs to be done about health care without having to put themselves at risk of alienating their districts due to fighting for mandates.

Krugman loves Hillary....but Hillary won't be the nominee. Sorry Mr. Krugman.
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 02:43 AM
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8. Tell me, didn't she try before?
What happened then?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 02:47 AM
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9. not so much.....
But Hillary wouldn't be able to win a GE touting Insurance Mandates.......
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:03 AM
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14. If it's a repeat of 1994, it will be a disaster.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 02:50 AM
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12. She was outnumbered.
Her plan hurts corporate interests.
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:00 AM
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13. Do you know how did the house and the senate look then?!!
Edited on Fri Apr-04-08 03:01 AM by DerekJ
Much better for the democrats than now.

Read this:

"The First Lady's approval ratings, which had generally been in the high-50s percent range during her first year, fell to 44 percent in April 1994 and 35 percent by September 1994.<136> Republicans made the Clinton health care plan a major campaign issue of the 1994 midterm elections,<137> which saw a net Republican gain of fifty-three seats in the House election and seven in the Senate election, winning control of both; many analysts and pollsters found the plan to be a major factor in the Democrats' defeat, especially among independent voters.<138> Opponents of universal health care would continue to use "Hillarycare" as a pejorative label for similar plans by others.<139>"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Rodham_Clinton

You see her plan single handedly, lost the democrats the house, and the senate. She didn’t just fail, she failed miserably, and she failed in a house, and senate controlled by democrats.

Edit: Typo
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:13 AM
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18. I didn't say she was outnumbered by GOP. I said she was outnumbered by corporate interests.
Democrats then were Regan-era smuchks. They believed in the corporate lie. Hillary's plan then, and now, hurts insurance companies and big pharmas. It hurts them bad. Their profit margins would drop considerably.
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:25 AM
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19. I trust that it’s bad for the health insurance companies; I do not doubt her health care plan.
I don't trust that she will able to pass it, not in its current form, or anything close to it at least. Many of the people in the senate and the house were there when she failed in 1994. Many saw their colleagues lose their seats. They all remember how it was spun by the health insurance companies, and the GOP. Some democratic house and senate members voted against it.

Why would she be able to pass it now, when she failed in 1994, with democratic controlled house and senate?

Why do you think those members will ever risk losing their seats in a 1994 redo?

Hillary's plan might be superior, but it won't pass. I can tell you now, that Obama's plan has to be watered down a lot before it can pass.
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 05:17 AM
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22. She catered to the insurance companies. Deserved to fail.
She let in the MIDDLEMEN and left out the actual PROVIDERS. I can tell you that a lot of doctors were outraged that she shut them out of her healthcare meetings. Imagine that. The people who actually know something about healthcare were treated like dirt, and the insurance fat cats got to go into the back room with her.

For that reason, I distrust her. On paper, her healthcare plan looks a lot better than Obama's. But I still quesiton where her loyalties lie.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:10 AM
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16. The VA as a model??
People seriously don't see the problem with using the VA as a model of a successful public health program??

Besides the obvious that vets avoid it if they possibly can because the care is NOT high quality, Clinton moved much of "long term responsibility" for health care to the local health service providers. Clinton privatized at least half of it.

And isn't this the health system that we're constantly fighting to get more funds for??

I don't understand why anybody would try to sell health care reform by pointing to the VA.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:25 AM
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20. Boy.....using the VA as an illustration during the GE......
Edited on Fri Apr-04-08 03:30 AM by FrenchieCat
that would go over well! NOT!

Krugman has been on the losing side for so long, he only writes for Democratic readers.

On the ironic hand, Hillary supporters tell Obama supporters..."just think of the GE; we have to give the GOP what they want.....just think of the GE voters...while they're all scared and shit....

But on the other hand, Hillary supporters are ready to go to the mat fighting for mandates, something that we all know ain't gonna be hitting the GE voter spot. :eyes:

That's the kind of short sighted thinking and lack of strategy that loses elections (just ask Hillary)-

Hillary supporters--Is anybody home? :shrug:
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