Whoever you've been backing, if you SAID you wouldn't back the other candidate if nominated.

[Ken Burch]

Please, for the love of God, take that position back. NOW.

I'm backing Obama but I'll campaign hard for HRC if she does slip through at the end. I hope all decent HRC people will do the same if it goes the other way.

I've said some tough things, and so have people on the other side, but, after the convention, we DO have to pull together.

Nothing is worth letting 100 Years War McCain get in.

We all owe it to our GRANDCHILDREN to stop this bitter, life-hating old bastard from consigning our descendants to war after war.

Please, folks, we have to start pulling together soon.

I'm going to temper my rhetoric for the rest of the way.

I hope others can do the same.

In the end, we need each other and we MUST win this one.

[cboy4]

1. LOL. Notice how none of the troublemakers on your

side are responding to your post Ken?

I think you make a lot of sense.

But the usual suspects in your camp won't be supporting Hillary Clinton .. even if she ends up the nominee.

The silence speaks volumes.

[DerekJ]

2. I'd vote for her.

Canada is the 51st state after all. :P

[cboy4]

3. Well it would make sense.....if Canada was in fact a state,

it would be a gigantic state.

And Hillary wins the popular vote in all of the big states.

I don't agree with all of your positions Derek, but hey -- at least you're not a lunatic like some of the other Obama supporters.

You're sensible, which is a good thing.

[DerekJ]

4. Trust me, I have my moments too. We all do.

I will owe some 100 apologies by the time this bloody primary is over. I've regret saying many things after posting them.

But you know, bloody cyber narcissism and cyber ego, prevents you from saying sorry sometimes.

[Ken Burch]

7. Please don't dis this thread. It's an "anti-bashing" exercise. Honestly.

Can you try a LITTLE trust here?

:eyes:

[DerekJ]

16. I swear I wasn't dissing it, I was making a joke. :)

[Ken Burch]

17. I wasn't talking about YOUR posts, I was talking about cboy's.

Your posts, I have no problem with.

[cboy4]

24. Why do you have a problem with my posts -- other than

the fact I'm turning out to be correct?

[Ken Burch]

25. You're defeating the purpose of this thread

I'm trying to start a reconciliation project and you're just coming in her to make points against the other candidate.

This thread is about trying to start bringing the party together. Why can't you just trust that and stop with the hostility?

[cboy4]

29. Hey, I'm on record as saying as far as I know, I will be

voting for the nominee.

Unlike some of the Obama people you're going to end up having to beg.

[Ken Burch]

31. Would you please stop acting like it's ONLY Obama people threatening nonsupport!!

There's been an equal number of HRC people(excepting yourself, I'll grant)saying they won't back Obama.

(oh...and did you HAVE to use the "as far as I know" line? No need to play with fire like that.)

Both sides are equally to blame, and this thread is aimed at both sides.

Stop using this thread to bash the other campaign. It's not appropriate considering the threads' intent.

This thread is a sincere attempt to try to begin to bring the party together. You have an obligation to respect that intent if
you want a Democrat elected this fall.

Normally, I respect your contributions, cboy, but here you're approaching trollism. Dial it back, willya?

[cboy4]

40. Well Ken, I have to say "as far as I know" in case something

comes up that we don't know about.

What if it's revealed that "X" candidate admitted to counterfeiting money?

I would not be able to support that person.

I would have to leave my ballot blank.

That's the reason for the loophole.

And once again, I'm not an HRC "people."

And I'm not trying to bash the other campaign.

You're so sensitive this morning. Cheer up, it's Friday.

[Ken Burch]

42. I get a bit touchy when I start an anti-bashing thread and your very first post in it

begins with "LOL!"

Nothing that's been said in this thread deserves the contempt you've poured on it.

Can't you please accept that this is a pro-healing, pro-party unity thread?

You've done nothing in this thread but disrupt and mock.

This thread, unlike others, doesn't deserve that.

Now do you get it?

[cali]

54. There are plenty of Hillary people who say they won't vote for

Obama as well as the other way around. You ignore that inconvenient FACT.

[lumberjack_jeff]

86. A reconciliation project is valuable, albeit quixotic. n/t

[AlertLurker]

15. She's WAAAAY better than Harpo!

eNDProhibition.

Go Jack!

[Ken Burch]

6. Look, I'm trying to do something conciliatory here.

Why was your first response to get in a dig?

Couldn't you just stay out of this thread if you had nothing positive to say?

As to anyone's "silence", I started the thread very late at night, so most Obama supporters(and most HRC supporters for that matter)probably simply haven't seen it yet.

Please don't use this thread as an chance for oneupmanship. There's other threads for that. This one is about trying to bring people together. Please trust that.

[democrattotheend]

38. I'm on "his side" (Obama)

I am an Obama supporter but I just posted that I will vote and work my ass off for whoever the nominee is.

[mudesi]

84. She has already lost. Accept it. (nm)

[TexasProgresive]

5. K & R

[Tesha]

8. Nope. Even I have limits on which candidates I'll support.

And Hillary crossed that line when she voted for the
Iraq War Resolution.

I'd helped put her in the Senate (with a major campaign
donation) and she then voted against my position on quite
a few important issues including the IWR. So now, if my
choice is between Candidate M who votes against my positions
but at least is recognized as the enemy and Candidate H who
votes against my positions but befuddles a lot of people
into thinking she's on our side, then I'll find a third
choice to vote for who actually stands for my positions.
They may not win, but I'll be little the worse off.

And please don't bother lecturing me about the Supreme
Court; that's already a lost cause and Hillary isn't all
that likelty to nominate really good civil libertarians
to the court anyway; they'd be too likely to limit
Corporate Power, something Hillary firmly believes in.

Tesha

[Ken Burch]

9. I understand your feelings. But both are candidates are NOW against the war.

I respect your anger. But at least think about it between now and November. Nothing is worth letting McCain in.

What we need to do is elect a Dem, and then spend the next four years holding their feet to the fire to make them GOVERN like a Dem.

This is possible with either potential nominee. If McCain wins, the next four years are a dead zone and nothing positive will be possible.

Just keep an open mind. We're going to have to get one group of people to get past their unhappiness and vote for the ticket no matter WHO gets nominated.

[Tesha]

10. Hillary has never repudiated her IWR vote.

And how's she feeling about Cluster Bombs these days?

And banning flag burning?

Tesha

[Ken Burch]

13. If she gets nominated, we may be able to get her to back off on those

Look, I agree with you on the shortcomings of that candidate. I'm just saying don't close off the option now.

We can't let McCain commit us to his hundred years' war.

[Tesha]

14. The option's closed off right now. But I try to never completely close my mind ;-). (NT)

[Ken Burch]

20. Well, that's enough for now.

Good talking to you.

[PoliticalAmazon]

82. Hillary's born-again anti-war status cannot be trusted. LATimes article...

"Clinton on the sidelines in efforts to end the war. Despite her vocal criticism, records show she has done little to advance legislation to force a withdrawal of troops from Iraq."

Pg A19, 4/3/2008, www.latimes.com

[PoliticalAmazon]

76. Forget it. After her campaign tactics and her insults to Obama supporters, I'll never vote for her.

[Ken Burch]

90. If she does get nominated(which isn't what I want) I hope you'll reconsider.

Nothing is worth letting McCain in. We won't ever win the presidency again if we lose it this year.

[crankychatter]

11. The "loyalty test" is a rhetorical canard posted 9 times a day

Young folks don't know and it's up to us to school them... they'll come around eventually.

On the other side, Clinton supporters threaten to stomp out and have a cow too... write in Hillary, etc.

The only threat to the Party is if either candidate is widely perceived to have usurped the nomination in an unfair manner

The biggest threats are coming from BOTH sides

Obama: Young people, anti-DLC progressives, and other groups will be angry if the nominee is not the Delegate/Popular leader after the Primary/Caucus process

Clinton: Obviously these folks aren't happy about Caucus State Delegate distribution and are planning to have a melt down over Florida and Michigan's issues... some of these, (although I think fewer because they do trend to be older, longer term Democrats) may also stomp out and have a cow, vote for McCain.

Honestly, I think this is no big deal. People say all kinds of crap in the heat of the debate.

If we can't muster sufficient force with the 50 state strategy, a quality ticket, a unified platform, against McSame in November? Then maybe it's time for a split.

Stop trying to entrench the status quo, get serious and credible regarding the WAR, Trade Agreements, Re-regulation of exploitive corporations, and above all, CORRUPTION... we'll be fine.

Put out the tentstakes, and bring your tambourines... quit worrying, quit snivelling, and get to work registering new voters.

[democrattotheend]

41. Please stop with the condescending ageism

I'm 24 and I don't need you to "school" me for me to know that this election is way too important to let my candidate preference take over me to the point where I lose sight of the big picture. I will work my ass off for Obama and fight to the end to make him the nominee, but at the end of the day I will support whoever gets the nomination and do everything I can to put a Democrat in the White House. But the condescending ageism that I get mainly from Clinton supporters is really discouraging.

[MethuenProgressive]

12. I've always said I'll vote for our nominee, no matter who it turns out to be.

We need to win back the WhiteHouse!

[Alter Ego]

18. I won't campaign for her, and I probably won't donate to her.

But I'll still vote for her.

At the end of the day, I know that it's about keeping more Robertses and Alitos off the Supreme Court.

[Ken Burch]

19. Fair enough.

Thanks.

Obama's chances in the fall will hinge on us getting as many bitter HRC people as possible to at least say the same about him.

[my3boyz]

21. Nope..can't do it! I will not vote for her! I will vote for any other democrat but her! Never!nt

[Ken Burch]

27. I'm talking about after the convention.

And this thread is aimed at people on BOTH sides.

Please trust my intentions.

[PoliticalAmazon]

77. Before, after, inbetween the convention--I won't vote for her. The big question now is...

...will it make more of an impact on the DNC if I stay home and don't vote on election day, or if I go and write in Obama's name.

[DangerousRhythm]

22. "Nothing is worth letting 100 Years War McCain get in."

Too right. No matter who wins on the Dem side, they're getting my vote. This is way too important.

[cboy4]

23. What a disasterous thread for you thus far Ken!!

You get all mad at me for predicting what's going to happen and look.

All of your friends are saying they will not vote for Hillary if she's the nominee.

And the rest are not saying a word.

I told you!

Why is this my fault Ken?


on edit: typo

[Ken Burch]

26. All your posts in this thread have been negative.

You're just doing campaign point-scoring.

Why can't you let this thread be a hostility-free zone?

Is there a REASON you don't want the intent of this thread to succeed?

What's your problem here?

[cboy4]

28. It has nothing to do with not wanting your thread to succeed.

I like to keep things realistic, and your thread is unrealistic.

Don't be mad at me Ken. Be mad at all of your friends.

Look at all of the Obama people who say they won't support the nominee.

That's not my fault. This thread would be plenty "negative" without me.

[Ken Burch]

30. You aren't being "realistic". You're being hostile. And unjustifiably so.

And there are as many HRC people who've said they wouldn't support Obama, so

a)it's unfair of you to use the phraseology above to assume that HRC is inevitably going to end up as the nominee;

b)imply that it's only been Obama people threatening not to support HRC if nominated, when in truth there's been an equal number of people in both camps on DU threatening non-support.

This is a thread calling on people in both campaigns(both of who are equally to blame for the bad feelings, as you know)to begin to try to move past those.

You've acted the whole thread as if what I'm doing here is a joke, or perhaps a trick.

Please trust me that the intention here is conciliatory and neutral.

Don't just keep shooting this down.

Please stop posting in this if all you can do is to pick the thread apart.

You aren't helping your candidate at all by doing what you're doing here.

[cboy4]

32. Who is my candidate Ken?

Right. It's John Edwards.

I'll just hang back and see how this thread plays out.

Let's see how many of the notorious Obama supporters will go on record and pledge that they will support Hillary Clinton in November if she were to be the nominee.

[Ken Burch]

35. It's been proven that BOTH campaigns are equally to blame for the bad blood.

Both campaigns have equally bad groups of "notorious" supporters. Please stop repeating the meme that only Obama people are to blame. That's a lie and you know it.

And you've said you prefer HRC to Obama, so you're "I'm an Edwards supporter" line doesn't mean anything now.

Can you please stop posting in this thread, since you have nothing positive to contribute to it and you are just trying to sabotauge my intentions?

This is an anti-bashing thread. Respect that, please.

[cboy4]

43. If I said I prefer HRC to Obama, it was in the context of

which person I trusted more to handle gay issues.

I've not once ever come out and said I prefer Hillary over Obama.

As I said, I voted for John Edwards.

And yes, I'll be a good guy and stop posting in your disastrous thread, as long as you don't distort my record and label me a Hillary Clinton voter.

Because I'm not.

[Ken Burch]

47. And I don't know why it's so important for you to label this thread "disastrous"

The most recent posts from most people are in support of what I'm saying here.

If you're not a HRC person, fine. Your exclusive hostility to Obama, you must admit, makes it hard to trust you on that.

But I'll leave it at that.

[PoliticalAmazon]

78. Obama has NEVER insulted Hillary's supporters. Not ONCE. She does it repeatedly. n/t

[mrbluto]

94. BOTH means it should be NEITHER

Equal blame - BOTH... non-optimal choices for nominee - this means our best choice is NEITHER.

Remember in the Wile E. Coyote cartoons where, when hanging around in his lair, on the wall you'd see he had a butcher's diagram of the best cuts of meat on the Roadrunner?

Karl Rove has one of those for Obama and Clinton tacked to the walls of his cave.

...and we can't just "Hope" that he follows the cartoon script and makes a Karl Rove shaped crater at the bottom of some canyon. The last few episodes it's been a Al Gore, a John Kerry, a Civil liberties, and a Pelosi/Reid shaped crater the Democratic party has had to crawl out from, complete with stars and birds circling it's head as it stumbled off to it's next engagement with the MSM.

Let's not have an Obama/Clinton crater. Let's whipsaw them so they've wasted their manipulating.

Let's just have a brokered convention and zoom past Rove & Co. with a hearty "Beep beep!"

Even if they do figure out what hit 'em it'll be too late to change their plans for lying cheaply.

[cali]

55. Look at the Hillary people who won't vote ;for O

you just can't deal with reality.

[Shae]

66. Why is it unrealistic

to ask a bunch of Democrats to vote for the Democratic nominee in the Presidential election?

[democrattotheend]

67. One would think it would be a no brainer

Hopefully things will calm down once we have a nominee.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

33. Agreed.

Obama supporter.

[madmom]

34. I have already said I will vote for the nominee, we HAVE to!

[Ken Burch]

37. Thanks. That's what I'm talking about.

n/t.

[democrattotheend]

36. I'm with you 100%

No matter who gets the nomination, I will work my ass off to get him or her elected. This election is too important to let resentment get in our way.

[Ken Burch]

39. Thanks. Did you get that, cboy?

Another Obama person proves you wrong. And I think at least one HRC person has risen to the occasion in this thread as well.

This thread is about healing.

[cboy4]

46. Yes, I got it.....but to be fair, "democrattotheend"

is not one of the notorious instigators.

Those are the people I'm waiting to hear from.

[Ken Burch]

49. So until you hear from the worst of the worst Obama posters you'll keep dissing the thread?

And would it kill you to admit that the equally large number of worst of the worst HRC posters are equally in need of being heard from?

[democrattotheend]

53. Hmmm, maybe I should go start some trouble

And then come back in here and say that I will still vote for whoever the nominee is. Then I'd have more credibility! ;)

To be fair, I have not noticed too many responses from some of the more outspoken Clinton supporters either. It seems like they tend to avoid these threads (as do some Obama supporters, but since there are more of us it's harder to keep track of who the trouble-makers are).

[info being]

44. Your logic is sound...

...but the candidate in question isn't. I don't care of Lieberman-in-a-pantsuit wins or if McCain wins...no difference.

Obama represents the only clear alternative. So, no, I won't "campaign hard" for Clinton and I won't put my personal credibility on the line with friends by saying anything good about her.

[GoneOffShore]

45. Yellow dog Dem here

IF,

IF

,

IF

, and it's a very big

IF

, Ms Clinton succeeds in getting (cough, cough, stealing, cough) the nomination, I will vote for her.

I will fucking well hate to do it

But

, I will.

[info being]

48. Vote for her, yes...

...debate on her behalf with my friends, campaign for her in any shape or form, hell no. My personal credibility is too important and worth too much to hand over to that woman.

[GoneOffShore]

52. I'm with you on that

There is no way that I could actively campaign for "that woman".

I don't feel about her in the same way that my dad felt about FDR, but it's getting damn close.

[GoldieAZ49]

50. trying to scare up votes already?

so is the official pandering for votes starting now or after the convention?

[Ken Burch]

51. I'm trying to scare up party unity, for either candidate(since both have an equal chance)

Is there a reason you can't trust that?

You know your campaign will have just as much reaching-out and apologizing to do as the Obama campaign will.

Both sides are equally to blame for the bad feelings. Both sides have an obligation to reach out and pull together once it's over.

[Skip Intro]

56. Will not vote for Obama. I'll leave that selection blank, straight Dem the rest of the way.

But there is no chance in hell I will cast a vote for Barack Obama, should he be the nomniee.

None.

[Ken Burch]

68. Sadly, you are neither a Democrat nor a person who cares about the country.

Especially if you would concede decades of continued and futile U.S. involvement in Middle East war just because your candidate didn't get chosen.

There is no way Obama is so terrible that the world deserves to see you do that.

Please be a better person than that. Please think again.

[Skip Intro]

81. You know what they say about opinions, we all got one. Thanks for sharing yours.

I can't in good conscience vote for Obama. I won't vote repuke, ever. Thankfully, you are not the gatekeeper of the Democratic party, of which I am a proud, thinking member.

Btw, for what its worth, while not the main reason, the Hillary-bashers on this board played no small role in my decision.

[Ken Burch]

89. The point of this thread is to stop ALL the bashing.

Both sides bear equal blame, and both sides have to stop.

And HRC would NEVER want you to vote for a non-Dem.

Don't dishonor your candidate if you ARE a Democrat.

Why do you object to me trying to bring the party together here?

[mrbluto]

95. You are a Democrat if you don't vote for the other candidate...

...so long as you warned your party well ahead of time when there was something that could be done about it.

i.e. A brokered convention.

It's this twisted "Coke vs. Pepsi" choices that got us to where we are to day.

It's time to warn the party you're ready to say "NO!".

If it's Clinton, or if it's Obama, then we lose strength. No matter how much you brow-beat people you can't make them vote - you certainly cannot command their enthusiasm and earnest support.

With either of the currently active candidates we lose 10% of the electorate - basically wind up fighting with one hand tied behind our backs.

Is that what we want?

[Ken Burch]

96. You do understand that Gore isn't ever going to accept a draft, don't you?

So who's your other choice?

[mrbluto]

98. Edwards.

He was a popular second choice at the outset of the primaries.

He could make an excellent unity candidate if we could set aside the Race and Gender issues for this election long enough to ensure we have reclaim our Democracy.

[Ken Burch]

103. Oh, I hadn't thought of him in that capacity.

I didn't mean to be snippy in my response if that's how it came out. It's just that the "Draft Gore" types have been the ones who were REALLY acting like a cult...as opposed to, well, you know.

[carolinayellowdog]

57. Party loyalty: 72% Clinton supporters vs. 81% Obama supporters

Recent survey results:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/105691/McCain-vs-Obama-28-Clinton-Backers-McCain.aspx

I would advise against anyone taking DU as an accurate microcosm of the Democratic electorate. Here, the rest of us were harangued for months by Clinton supporters with loyalty oath demands, accusations of disloyalty to the party, bullying about inevitability. But it turns out that in the macrocosm, Obama voters are far more loyal to the party, far less likely to vote Republican out of spite if their candidate isn't the nominee, than Clinton supporters.

When you say downthread that supporters here of both parties bear equal blame for the contentiousness, that could mean one of two things. One possible meaning is probably true, but the other strikes me as quite false.
1) There are an equal number of hostile, destructive threads and posts coming from Obama supporters and Clinton supporters. This is probably true.
2) Obama supporters on average are just as nasty here as Clinton supporters. Since the former outnumber the latter 4-1 at this point, if the total hostility and toxicity from each side is the same amount, that means per capita the Clinton supporters are four times as nasty.

[Butch350]

58. Sorry But...

I am a true Progressive. No O'Bama - I vote McCain.

May you all have a Blessed Day.

[democrattotheend]

60. So McCain is progressive?

If you are a true progressive, how could you even think about voting for McCain? I can understand not wanting to vote for Clinton and leaving it black or voting third-party or write-in (though I disagree with that decision) but if you only vote for progressives how could you even think about voting for McCain?

[Ken Burch]

70. I also support Obama for the nomination-but please reconsider your position.

You'd be dishonoring the man if you REALLY voted for McCain.

Please be a better person than that, if the situation arises.

[Sinistrous]

59. My preference is strongly for Mr. Obama, but if my choices in the GE are

Mrs. Clinton vs. Mr. McCain, you bet your bippy Mrs. Clinton gets my vote.

Sinistrous

[Ken Burch]

69. Thanks.

n/t.

[Shae]

61. I will vote for the Democratic nominee...

Clinton is not the enemy. Obama is not the enemy.
Many on both sides are passionate in support of their candidate, but we are all Democrats. The infighting has become devastating.

I wish those who truly feel they can't vote for the other candidate if s(he) is the nominee, would keep it to themselves. We need to come together and start healing from 8 years of George Bush. Either of the Democratic candidates will be better than McCain.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

62. The Democratic nominee, no matter who it is, will definitely garner my vote.

[Milo_Bloom]

63. Clinton voted for the war... Thus... no.

[Ken Burch]

75. Work for Obama until the convention, then. And hope he gets nominated.

But if it's her, we have to back her, because it's at least possible that she will stop the war. It's impossible with McCain, and no third-party candidate will have a chance(and even truly progressive Dems will be at a severe disadvantage) until we change our electoral system.

[Milo_Bloom]

102. We don't have to back a war monger.

It gets us nothing and probably does more harm than good, as it guarantees republican rule in 2012.

[Zero Division]

64. Vote against John "100 years" McCain. Abosolutely!

No question. I'm really disappointed in HRC's campaign (I'm restraining myself here for civility's sake) and very doubtful that she'll fight for truly progressive legislation and decisions, but I'm not buying any HRC = McCain b.s.

[SeattleGirl]

65. That's my position.

No way am I going to help McCain get into the White House by not voting at all if "my" candidate doesn't win the nomination, or worse, VOTE for him.

[cboy4]

71. Ken! Look at your thread!

:cry:

[Ken Burch]

74. It's at least somewhat successful. I've been able to open some minds.

What I'm doing is in the interest of the party. Why is your hatred of some Obama supporters more important to you than what I'm trying to do here?

Both sides are equally to blame for the bad blood. Both sides must change. As a person who claims not to be affiliated with either side, why dismiss that idea? Why pretend, if you're really neutral, that Obama's people are solely to blame?

[Orsino]

72. We require no loyalty oaths now.

There's plenty of time for the posturing to die off quietly. DU rules probably won't permit the sort of hate we've seen so far to be leveled at the nominee.

Demanding apologies/retractions/penances now will only get the haters' backs up. We can wait.

[robertpaulsen]

73. Anyone who doesn't vote for the Dem in November is a FASCIST ENABLER.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4763688

[PoliticalAmazon]

79. Hillary is a fascist. Anyone who votes for Hillary is a fascist enabler. n/t

[Skip Intro]

83. That right there is one reason I'll never vote Obama. Congrats.

[robertpaulsen]

87. Both of you knee-jerkers need to get your heads out of your asses and see the real enemy.

[Ken Burch]

91. Thanks. That's my point.

We all need to see the big picture.

[robertpaulsen]

88. Not in November. If you choose McCain instead, go Cheney yourself. n/t

[Erin Elizabeth]

80. I really don't think I'll need to worry about it.

Obama will be the nom, so I'm ok.

[lumberjack_jeff]

85. I dunno. Do I have to shave my head and hang out at the airport? n/t

"Hari-bama, hari-bama, bama-bama, hari-hari. Wanna buy a flower? I wonder if I can get these robes in plaid flannel?"

[mrbluto]

92. We owe it to our children...a brokered convention.

Let's stop having the baby's arms ripped-off and have a brokered convention.

[Ken Burch]

97. Gore isn't going to accept a draft, ever. He's made that clear.

So who else would you back?

Anybody we chose would have some kind of problems.

[mrbluto]

100. Edwards would have the least problems.

Especially if Gore, Carter, Obama, H. Clinton, B. Clinton and Deval Patrick (ally of Obama's) all endorsed him as a unity candidate.

Let's take at least a four year breather from fascism and then be free to get back to the delicate work of remediating the race and gender inequities of this country.

[IsItJustMe]

93. I would hate like hell to vote for Hillary, truly would hate it and have stated as such several

times here on DU. But, well, OK.

[zerostar]

99. I WILL SUPPORT BHO!

yes I will, but......


GOOOOO HILLARY.

[Ken Burch]

101. OK. Fair enough. That's all I was asking for.

Thanks.