Sorry, North Dakota. You *really* dont count.

[bunnies]

Clinton on ND Delegates
Apr 4 2008 1:12PM
KXMBTV Bismarck

The war of words continues between the two Democratic Presidential Candidates Barack Obama and Hillary CLinton and now North Dakota is being brought into the fight.

Thursday Clinton said North Dakota's delegates should be discounted because North Dakota traditional votes republican in the Presidential Election.

Clinton says she has won the states that vote Democratic in November and the states she didn't win typically go to Republicans.

(snip)

During a conference call Senior Advisor for Obama's campaign Dan Hannaher says Clinton's remarks are not only disrespectful to states but to Democrats everywhere.

(snip)

Link: http://www.kxmb.com/getArticle.asp?s=rss&ArticleId=225497

[anonymous171]

1. W..T...F

:wow: I really thought she had learned her lesson.

[Texas Hill Country]

61. They are talking about how the PARTY assigns delegate numbers and the anchors are DUMB.

you people are friggin crazy.


The DNC assigns the numbers of delegates each state gets by how consistently it votes Democrat, not based on pop, electoral college, etc, but how BLUE that state is.

that is what she was talking about and the anchors are morons and didnt understand.

[Cha]

65. You're kidding, right?

This person is not ever going to learn any "lessons". It's all about her and maybe bil.

[Texas Hill Country]

69. The anchors misunderstood.

[easy_b94]

2. FUnny pic

[Zachstar]

3. WTF?! Checking date (Not April 1) What the heck is wrong with you Clinton?!

Unacceptable. I hope the people of PA hear about this!

[TheWraith]

35. The Clinton campaign has been in self-destruct mode for three months now.

Between all the gaffes, contradictory stories, dissing and assaulting other Dems, etcetera, it's nothing short of stunning that there are still people backing them.

[Zachstar]

42. What is saddening tho is that self-destruction is harming the democrats overall.

[Cha]

68. Good thing she has some

m$$$m lifting some heavy water for her or she'd be in the dino bone yard with zellout.

[C_U_L8R]

4. What a clown.

She's pissing everyone off now.

[bunnies]

5. Not Florida though.

Maybe she thinks thats the only state she needs in November.

[anonymous171]

8. I also wonder if she's planning to force McCain off of the MI ballot.

[Hippo_Tron]

6. North Dakota sends us two Democratic US Senators' for god's sake

[Zachstar]

12. Indeed the goal is to GAIN a filibuster proof congress not lose!

So this really is sickening!

[Cha]

72. Is hilary being held accountable for all her shilling

and lying? She has no shame so she can try and divide the Nation on race by painting Obama as "the Black candidate" and then get up and give some speech about Martin Luther King..like she cares.

[globalvillage]

92. Yup. Both with Obama tonight.

GObama, Conrad and Dorgan!

[OzarkDem]

7. Sorry, I don't believe that

They're going to have to provide more than just a rumor.

[easy_b94]

here is the link

http://www.kxmb.com/getArticle.asp?ArticleId=225497

[bhikkhu]

21. This does seem to be misleading...no dating of "when and where"

these things were said. Perhaps taken out of context from post-Super Tuesday talk, and reprinted now out of context to confuse things prior to the convention.

See current link:

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/04/03/politics/fromtheroad/entry3992019.shtml

[OzarkDem]

39. There's no source

The news story just says "someone heard this". That's not very good journalism.

[easy_b94]

46. here is the link to the video

http://downloads.instream.com/servlets/getPlaylist?ver=2.0&nwid=11375&content=mms://mms.midkotasolut

[OzarkDem]

64. There is still no source

They're not saying anything about who gave them the information, etc. Journalists usually try to verify something like this from at least 2 reputable sources. They don't even mention having a single source, only a "rumor". Repeating rumors is not journalism, nor is it reliable information.

[jkshaw]

"They're going to have to provide more than just a

rumor"

The statement appears to have been made on a radio station in Bismark, SD.

[jkshaw]

19. Sorry, that's ND

[Symarip]

9. Uh oh

I have a feeling the demand for ponies in North Dakota just went up.

[Zachstar]

13. LoL I hope they can keep up with demand!

However this is a sad day as that state will feel alienated by democrats because of you said it CLINTON!

[DarienComp]

10. it's as though she herself has bought into the meme

that there are no Democrats outside of the coasts. She's pretty much dooming herself to fail.

[Zachstar]

16. At this rate she is dooming democrats in congress to fail.

Her crap and continued hogging of the support and airtime are causing republicans to gain in the polls in seats for congress.

This needs to end!

I call upon the remaining super delegates to switch and end this!!

[Danger Mouse]

11. WTF...why don't you alienate MORE people, Clinton?

I'm sure it'll REALLY help you if you somehow get the nomination. :banghead:

[Arugula Latte]

14. WTF is her problem?

:banghead:

[TheWraith]

57. Egotism. If you're not for her, you can go to hell. nt

[Cha]

73. Hope the Supers are taking

note.

[bhikkhu]

15. Related to this, maybe?

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/04/03/politics/fromtheroad/entry3992019.shtml

Unless the April 4 article is bogus, there is an abundance of April 3 info that the Clintons made a big push to grab more delegates in ND. If today's article is true, the obvious read would bitterness from the failure to gain anything.

[bunnies]

Seems so.

It says she said it Thursday so, it lines up.

[Zachstar]

18. And she will likely lose delegates in other states.

We are already hearing of some pledged delegates not showing up or even voting Obama already.

She keeps this up and she will alienate others.

[bunnies]

23. I doubt this will win her any SD's from North Dakota...

thats for damn sure.

[Zachstar]

25. That is a good point.

So she loses even more support in the long run!

[Lerkfish]

22. oh, I guess now North Dakota is DEAD to them.

yes, the clintons are proving to be a very bitter couple.

[L0oniX]

84. Nothing like pissing off North Dakota ...I bet they will over whelmingly vote for Obama now.

[Cha]

76. It's not like clinton has any

charm to f'n "woo anybody". Yeah, we wanna go with "Liar".

Some may see this as a questionable political move, but a campaign spokesman for Clinton said the practice was “common,” pointing to final delegate counts in Iowa as an example, where Obama ended up with more delegates than originally expected. Similarly in Texas, Clinton ended up getting more delegates to switch over to her side than the campaign had planned for.

That's a pretty dubious report about Texas when Obama won the most delegates so why not just say it?

[WolverineDG]

80. I'm from Texas

and we'd have heard by now if Clinton was successful in getting Obama delegates to switch to her side. Not saying it didn't happen, but not enough to support that statement.

dg

[Cha]

82. And she still lost..

Yeah, I'd be interested to know :wtf: the reporter is talkin' about? Should have explained it better.

[tokenlib]

17. AWESOME!! Thanks for the link so we can see the speeches tonight ! n/t

[Lerkfish]

20. wow.

just wow.

[Raine]

24. WHAT THE HELL...

then we should forget the states that vote rethug????? :wow: This is NUTZ!!! :crazy: :silly:

[Zachstar]

26. And why she wont win the nomination.

If she can't handle what is going on now without alienating democratic support. How the hell is she going to beat the republicans.

Its over!

[40ozDonkey]

55. It's not nuts, it's the anti-Howard Dean strategy!

Concentrate on three states that swing elections, fuck all else.

That's what we had before Howard Dean took over the DNC. It didn't work. In fact it failed repeatedly. But like Bob Shrum once said - "seventh time's a charm".

[slinkerwink]

27. oh my god

[4themind]

28. Is there a direct quote?

Sorry, the video player on the site doesn;t work for me. Thanks!

[bunnies]

30. no. And the player is just the local newscast reporting it.

Im searching for one though.

[4themind]

37. Thanks

looking forward to hearing the full story about this

[tokenlib]

29. And she is speaking to the ND dems tonight--the suspense!!!!

This could be interesting....9:30 PM Eastern---Get the popcorn and beer LOL!!!

Barack is up first at 6:50 PM EST

[Zachstar]

31. I hope they boo her the moment she shows up.

This is disgusting!

[OzarkDem]

47. I'm sure she'll clear up this "rumor"

[Erin Elizabeth]

32. The North Dakota convention is tonight

and she said this yesterday.

It strikes me as a thinly veiled threat.

Can I call her an asshole now?

[Zachstar]

34. I don't know about you but I am sure some in the convention will whisper that.

After this I am surprised they even let her into the convention. I mean if it dosent count why does she want to speak?

[Cha]

77. It's more respectful to address her as

"your assholiness".

[cyclezealot]

33. But still, there is a kernel of truth

to the comments, Obama's states don't normally go Democratic.

[Zachstar]

36. So? What the hell does that mean?

Why have primaries across that nation?

Why not just Have them in Cali and New york? Im sure voters dont mind, right?

[cyclezealot]

81. did not sound like I was endorsing hillary. Did it. Cause I don't .

I fear both could very well take the Dems down in defeat. You really think Obama will carry Wyoming. I don't think so. we need rile the Democratic base and add in the independents who normally don't vote. Its the process that renders us losers. Yes, we do need a totally reformed process that turns the primary process away from a horse race, into something more democratic.

[tokenlib]

40. And that lack of faith has hurt the Democratic Party..

How the hell will that ever change if we stop being a national party? The Clintonite/DLC cherry-picking of states has got to end.

[easy_b94]

41. SOme of these Repug states can flip if you hit the right note..hillary just don't won't Obama to wi

[Erin Elizabeth]

45. So those states should just not bother having primaries?

Gad. I'm glad you and Hillary aren't in charge of things!

[Zachstar]

51. Amen!! Clinton is a trainwreck! And will lead this country into an even faster trainwreck!

[CreekDog]

85. I'm sure ND's all Dem congressional delegation doesn't like these talking points

you know?

[cyclezealot]

91. Think the last time ND voted for Democratic presidential electors

was 1964. Is that right.

[CreekDog]

97. you're right, but we don't act like they are wholly Republican states

that's not good for our chances at keeping our Democrating congressmen in office (and North Dakota sends zero Republicans to congress):

Earl Pomeroy D-ND (House)
Kent Conrad D-ND (Senate)
Byron Dorgan D-ND (Senate)

[Erin Elizabeth]

38. I watched the video and the news anchor said

"Clinton said North Dakota's delegates could be discounted because North Dakota traditionally votes republican in the presidential election."

The news anchor said "could" but the story next to the video says "should."

Either way, it's pretty jerky of her and seems like a threat. Like you assholes better switch over for me, or I'll make sure your delegates don't even COUNT in Denver. Like she could do that. :eyes:

[OzarkDem]

43. Looks like they're making it up as they go along

Sorry, not buying it.

[Erin Elizabeth]

49. So then what did she say?

Either way isn't good.

[OzarkDem]

59. They shouldn't put words in her mouth

If they don't know what she said, they should remain silent.

[CreekDog]

87. yeah, it's not like she said this about any other state

:dilemma:

[Zachstar]

48. She already said she was doing background work on supers.

This race is getting sicker every day.

[Erin Elizabeth]

50. Background work? What does that mean?

[Zachstar]

56. Digging up dirt.

[slinkerwink]

95. link?

[Texas Hill Country]

44. i dont believe that. my guess is it is a misinterpretation of how many delegates states get

The democratic party assigns the number of delegates not on population, or electoral votes, but on how consistently democratic they vote.


I would put money that is what they are talking about.

[Cali_Democrat]

52. If this report is true, Clinton should drop out of the race right now!!

nt

[Zachstar]

53. Anyone else not getting sound from the video feed at the convention?

[tokenlib]

60. Hope they get it fixed!!

CNN might not cover it...

[Zachstar]

62. Ya this sucks!!

Do they not monitor the feed?!

[City Lights]

54. Quit now, Hilliary, before you further embarrass yourself.

:+

It's become increasingly difficult to take her seriously.

[Zachstar]

58. Who cares about her. Its more about wrecking the party.

[knixphan]

63. silly-season to stupid-season...

Oy vey we need to end this primary!

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

66. Great catch. My state isn't going to count either, its NC!

Hah.

Michelle Obama is coming to NC on Tuesday!

[4themind]

70. Yourvotewillnotbecounted

if you don't vote for HRC...hehe

[Cha]

78. Good for NC and I hope you

get to see Michelle, WYVBC!

[CreekDog]

89. NC stands for "not count"

:evilgrin:

[Cha]

93. By the time hilary gets through explaining to the Supers about

why all these States "don't count"..they'll be wondering what took them so long to endorse Obama!

[DangerousRhythm]

96. ...

:rofl:

Hey, mine doesn't count anymore either, I guess. It's one of those "boutique" states I'm sure. Latte-sipping liberals, Birkenstocks, blah blah. ;)

[tokenlib]

67. IT'S on CNN.com and the audio works n/t

[4themind]

71. Please give updates for those of us at work

Thanks in advance!

[Zachstar]

75. The video does not for me tho.

[IsItJustMe]

74. Sorry, she ain't right.

[WolverineDG]

79. So she's admitting she didn't win Texas???

:wow:

She made a similar comment about Texas on Texas Monthly's Burka Blog, but the MSM ignored it.

dg

[L0oniX]

83. I hear there are snipers in ND.

:evilgrin:

[CreekDog]

90. ND stands for "null delegates"

:shrug:

[IDemo]

86. Greetings from the Flyover States of America

Motto: "Math don't matter, and we don't count."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5fwJEWLUv8

[VenusRising]

88. If she wants to go by those rules...

She can kiss her Ohio victory goodbye.

:wtf:

[Zachstar]

94. Good Point!!

[krkaufman]

98. Presidential campaign aside, this is a good example of why HC is bad ...

... for promoting the 50 State Strategy and down-ticket support. Hillary has dissed far too many states as irrelevant in her effort to contort her way to the nomination.

[dchill]

99. Clinton was over an hour late for the ND Convention...

Delayed by SniperFire(tm)? <That's now officially a "joke" - right?

In other news: Her health care plan from to '90s STILL hasn't arrived.