What is needed to improve GDP?

[FlyingSquirrel]

Poll question: What is needed to improve GDP?

Current Rules

Sorry to be suggesting this as a relative Newbie, but I personally think that the current situation is unacceptable.

1) People are starting to be ashamed to recommend this site to friends/co-workers/etc.

2) The mods seem to have their hands tied somewhat and seem to be overwhelmed. For every troll who's banned, several more take their place each day.

3) Either candidate could still be our nominee (regardless of which one you think is more probable) and they're both being destroyed here.

4) It's getting to the point where some of us who would like to discuss the primaries just can't see wading through the 10 repetitive or flaming threads to get to the few good pieces of information. Many have even blocked GDP from appearing on their Latest/Greatest Page who might at one time have been interested in some of the better threads. Some threads have been receiving hundreds of recs before being locked as completely inflammatory - but not before further dividing us and alienating many.

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Rather than make a big "Skinner, we need THIS or THAT" thread, I'd like to just make a couple of suggestions and then open the floor for others to discuss their merits and/or add their own ideas.

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Suggestion 1. Consider limiting the number of new registrations on DU from this point on to a certain number per day until we have a Presumptive Nominee.

Suggestion 2. Temporarily require a 24 to 48 hour waiting period before new users can reply to threads.

Suggestion 3. Temporarily increase the number of "Replies" needed before a new user can begin posting threads. Increase it by a fairly large amount, something that would take a person with normal motivation about 3-4 days to achieve.

Suggestion 4. Temporarily limit number of replies to threads in GDP from unlimited to a certain amount per day - perhaps equal to a number that 75% of DU'ers currently don't exceed anyway.

Suggestion 5. Progressive discipline for rules violations

a. Temporarily reduce number of threads a violator may post in GDP to 1 per day for a week
b. Temporarily disallow violator from posting any threads in GDP for a week
c. Temporarily disallow violator from posting threads, replying, recommending threads in GDP for a week
d. Disallow violator from posting, replying or recommending in GDP till Presumptive Nominee chosen
e. If violator moves their activity to other forums, suspend account for a week
f. You know what happens after that.

Others? Thoughts?

[DemVet]

1. August.

[arcos]

2. Grown ups... nt

[izzybeans]

3. Dissolution after the primaries will be about all that could fix this place.

[Maddy McCall]

4. Enforce the rules as they are written. Fairly.

That's all that's needed.

Skinner should announce that everyone look over the rules, because mods are going to begin to enforce them as they are written.

That'd solve the problems here, easily, quickly.

[Flabbergasted]

50. There won't be any changes this cycle at all IMO (Admin please consider....)

I hope that Skinner will start a thread however in which DUers/mods/admin have a deep discussion about this primary season and the next with a stated goal...

How do we most efficiently balance the political goals of the site and party with the bottom line?


On edit: Meant to reply to thread not you Maddy.

[ericgtr]

5. Closure to this primary is the only thing that will turn this

it's not just this site, it's divisive all over.

[BuyingThyme]

6. I think we should scrap NAFTA.

[Lucky 13]

7. A flamethrower.

[walldude]

56. Beat me to it..

dammit that was my exact answer.. :toast:

[Lucky 13]

73. You know what they say about great minds....

:)

[MethuenProgressive]

8. I vote for new rules needed - that removed messages leave the poster's name up.

So *anonymous* disruptive behavior ends, and the disruptors are known.
And if the mods could put the reason the post was removed - sweet!

[FlyingSquirrel]

23. Hmmm

I do get curious about deleted messages and who they belonged to, but might that not just increase the possibility of people posting personal attacks on other users, calling them out etc? The mods keep track of deleted messages themselves I'm sure (and probably keep a record of what they actually said) for purposes of determining necessary disciplinary action.

[2rth2pwr]

9. What's up with 'e'?

[FlyingSquirrel]

48. Like, if someone gets banned from GDP and goes into opposing candidate's forum

or somewhere else and continues what they were doing in GDP

[joshcryer]

10. You. Me. Them. Don't ask what DU can do for you, but you can do for DU.

We need to call people on bullshit oneliners, incessant flamebait, ignorant and wasteful sarcasm.

I have been doing this for weeks. It's hardly had an effect. But others here are catching on.

The bigger person always wins an argument. If you keep posting stupid race baiting sexist fascist one liners, and people keep calling you on it, guess what happens?

IT GOES AWAY.

[emilyg]

11. Yep.

[LWolf]

12. Other:

Hillary and Obama should drop out. ;)

[crankychatter]

13. the most sleazy, lurid and incendiary posts are oldtimers

how long has this place been infested?

I'm cranky and accustomed to an even MORE raucus atmosphere...

but I've never seen Democrats behave like Republicans before.

it IS work sifting through

I kind of enjoy a scrap... but on the other side of the fence there are only a handful worth talking to

I wonder where they'll go next...

I think they're polishing up their resume's to work for the GOP boiler rooms.

[cliffordu]

14. Cull the trolls??

[Cooley Hurd]

15. Drugs & alcohol...

They improve much of what I see...:smoke::beer:

[FlyingSquirrel]

19. Hmmm good point........

:beer:

[MichiganVote]

16. Salem witch hunt trials. Burn at the stake. Guillotine. You know..the usual.

[XemaSab]

17. I don't think the new trolls are as much of a problem as some of the OLD trolls

I think the mods should wave the "timeout" stick here with a little more abandon.

Not the pizza stick, but the timeout stick.

[Danger Mouse]

54. i agree. some of the worst posters are longtime posters.

[Symarip]

18. Suggestion 6

Distribute ponies to all DU members

(Just the thought of it makes me smile)

[Guava Jelly]

20. We need Karma Points

Some sort of graph or number that ranks your Karma score
You get negative points when someone puts you on ignore.
I figure this will encourage more people to ignore those who bother them.
Whaddaya think

[anigbrowl]

22. Smart! I was suggesting something similar

but I like yours better.

[FlyingSquirrel]

26. Interesting

But couldn't that lead to, say, a large number of Clinton supporters receiving negative Karma during the primaries (possibly undeservedly)? Just because they're posting unpopular opinions, even if doing so without being otherwise gratuitiously inflammatory?

Or the most prolific Obama supporters, same thing? Simply due to sheer volume of their posts?

[Guava Jelly]

32. Ignore works both ways though

Say a Clinton Supporter is annoyed with an Obama supporter..They can be ignored to.

[TheDoorbellRang]

30. That's an idea

Now I wouldn't suggest the mods necessarily taking action against someone who lots of people had on ignore, because that could be abused. But if the ignored poster was informed somehow that he/she was on 200 posters' ignore lists, they might realize that maybe they are being a**holes and mend their ways.

[FlyingSquirrel]

37. Or just assume there are a lot of people who "can't handle opposing viewpoints"

I'm sure there are a lot of very polarized people on both sides that probably figure they are on a lot of peoples' ignore lists and just couldn't give a dang

[anigbrowl]

21. An alert count, like the rec count

I too am sick to death of the flamebait threads, endles duplicates, copycat threads, and faux-outrage threads, no matter whose supporters they originate with.

When it was valentines day there was the little thing with the hearts, might not be a bad idea to bring that back (although some very sad people faked theirs).

[MethuenProgressive]

27. A "posts removed/threads closed" count in the profiles?

It'd be nice to "debunk" the claims of favoritism, immunity, being bulletproff, etc that some members make about themselves.

[FlyingSquirrel]

31. A lot of these ideas seem to be aimed at allowing people to call others out

as opposed to preventing some of the negativity in the first place.

[MethuenProgressive]

40. Not "call" them out. "Point" them out. I favor exposing disrutive members.

It also will highlight the "good guys" and help new members understand better who is who here.

[IsItJustMe]

24. A person should not be allowed to kick their own bull shit back up to the front page.

[NoBushSpokenHere]

69. kicking because I can :)

[RoyGBiv]

25. Nuke it from space ...

It's the only way to be sure.

[Danger Mouse]

55. Now wait a second. This facility has a significant dollar value attached to it.

[RoyGBiv]

59. This place is dead...

Whatever happened here, I think we missed it.

[flvegan]

28. Head shots for the zombies

and sock puppet repellent. More liberal usage of the "Ignore" feature for many.

[apocalypsehow]

29. Other: I think a feature barring those on your *ignore* list from posting in threads YOU start would

be quite helpful. It sure would cut down on a lot of flame-wars and "deleted sub-threads."

[FlyingSquirrel]

34. But if you have them on ignore, their post should just be ignored by you

and you wouldn't get into a flame-war with them (although others might).

[apocalypsehow]

44. I understand, but here's the problem with that scenario:

Recently, one of the more well-known HRC boosters here posted a blatant lie about me in one of her posts. I posted irrefutable proof that her claim was untrue, five different times. She ignored this, and continued to blithely post the same falsehood. I put her on *ignore*.

Now, I belong to another board, a strictly pro-Obama board, and several members there, who have my "real world" e-mail address, lurk at DU because they enjoy the latest breaking news, the pro-Obama posts, etc. One of them e-mails me the other night and tells me claims - untrue claims - are being made about me by my *ignored* poster in a thread I was participating in.

This person e-mailed me the gist of these claims, to wit, that I had received a "mod warning" for posting to her, and was only pretending to have her on *ignore*, was a "sick fuck" and was "stalking" her. Every single bit of which was untrue - and, what's further, the poster in question had to know that her claims were untrue. She just didn't care: there was a debate to "win" on the internet, you see ( ).

Had that kind person at the other board I frequent not known both my "real world" e-mail address and DU identity, and had she not just *happened* to be lurking at DU, specifically GD: P, these claims would have stood un-refuted, and hundreds of DU'ers and outside lurkers would right now believe a patent falsehood about me (several falsehoods, in fact).*

See, when the person you have on *ignore* knows you have them on ignore and does not reciprocate, it opens up the door to all kinds of smarmy mischief, as my account above illustrates. I know my proposal wouldn't solve all of the flame-war problems, but I think it would help.

(*edited repost)

[stevenleser]

67. As someone who is around triple digits with ignores, that is a scary scenario

Its bad enough that people are insane in the support of their candidate, but some are effing nuts in general too. I hadnt accounted for that.

[apocalypsehow]

74. It gave me pause - to this moment I still have only that one obnoxious POS on *ignore*.

That said, I wouldn't worry too much about it: my one *ignored* poster is a nasty serial liar with a huge fan club among the HRC boosters, but, like bullies everywhere, she is also a coward.

In point of fact, I haven't seen a single reply from *ignored* since I first posted the facts about this incident a few days ago, in the thread in question. A combination of DU's rules (which, from all I've seen, are quite fairly enforced), plus the knowledge that others who *don't* have her on ignore are looking out for me when it comes to such behavior and will *notify* me about it, seems to have put the squelch on her dishonest quasi-stalking.

It's the reason I'm personally a bit dubious about the *ignore* button - that episode gave me pause. Still, the *ignore* feature probably does a great deal more good than harm, and I hope my anecdotal experience doesn't discourage its use.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

33. A big bucket of Lysol and a power washer.

[JuniperLea]

35. I think all relative newbies should only be allowed to post in GD...

That would cut down on the trolls considerably.

[Clintonista2]

36. Most of the trolls are O supporters who join and get 1000 posts in 2 days

Methinks a posting limit on new users would be great.

[Forkboy]

42. Say hi to jlake and cyberpiehole for us!

[Robeson]

38. No posting while drunk.

[crankychatter]

39. a nominee would help

just a thought

[Name removed]

41. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[TahitiNut]

43. Civility. Attack MESSAGE and not messenger. (Some don't seem to know the difference.)

No matter how brutally the MESSAGE is attacked, it's NOT (with one exception) an attack on the messenger/poster, no matter how much the person has their ego tied up in their opinion and how they expressed it. (The exception? "Lie.")

Clue: When we compose a post and use the word "you" a lot ... it's almost ALWAYS a personal attack.

Clue: When we compose a post and talk in terms of "us" and "you" then we sound like the playground bully who doesn't have the courage to speak (or THINK) for herself.

Clue: Your sacred cow may be just a steak (medium rare, please) to me. If you don't like that, don't trot it out for slaughter in the abbotoir of a Discussion Forum.

The most common failing I see is the penchant to LEAP to all kinds of conclusions (none intelligent or insightful) regarding the mental failings of someone whose opinion is contrary to one's own. Compounding this is the evident assumption that ANYTHING they say isn't worth reading. How else can I interpret the obvious fact that WHAT someone says is discarded/ignored?

Long ago I gave up ranting at the person who slowed to a stop on the entrance ramp while entering a busy expressway. I've lived long enough to know there's more than enough tragedy in the world to account for people who're distracted. I've lived long enough to KNOW that "it's not about me" and they're doing the best they can. I've lived long enough to KNOW that ... if I'm so smart then I can adapt. Well, it took me long enough to figure THAT one out.

Same on DU. Yes, it's "Hanoi Jane" ... deal with it. Yes, people smoke ... deal with it. Yes, some of us think we should ALL invest 2-3 years of our lives in national service ... deal with it. It does NOT make a person a "freeper" or a "threat to our vital juices" or a "slave master" to believe such things ... since a good case can be made for those perspectives.

Get off the Nanny pedestal and LEARN. Others can actually teach us a lot.

[crankychatter]

45. when I got here this is what I NOTICED

incendiary, lurid, rovian, racist filth, being spun just slightly off to derail confrontation

The string leads that stir the RACE/GENDER pot are HURTING us... and running off the "new" people

who the HELL said this was Obama supporters?

And who are YOU ALL to blame "newbies" when it's your own chums that do this?

-Obama, Wright, and Hamas
-While Barack was having his palms greased by his slumlord friend
-Obama tied to another racist, homophobe who is supposedly an Obama superdelegate
-Obama Connection to Terrorists Revealed by Talk Show Host
-WTF?? "Enquirer Claims Obama Behind Murder of Gay Choir Director of His Church"
-Am I a "typical white person?"
-How Obama-Demographic Yuppies Perpetuate Racism
-That Obamamaniacs will blame Hillary for ANYTHING
-The New "Religious Left"
-Obama struggles to limit damage in pastor row as white voters slip away
-Kerry Wants Obama To Give Power To Islam
-Obama's Brownshirt Tactics
-Obama: Your own personal Jesus
-Barack Obama won't be visiting his ailing grandmother this Easter.
-Obama: My Grannie's a typical white person. !!
-Obama remark stereotyping "typical white person" seen as racist by some
-Obama Still Considers Rezko a Friend
-Barack Obama: Toxic Mentors Start to Corrode
-Obama: Exploitive and Wrong About Rev. Wright
-Would People Please Stop Blaming the Rev. Wright For Obama's Mistake?
-Could someone explain to me the attributes of the typical black person?
-Barack Obama and George W. Bush - Brothers in Voter Disenfranchisement
-Hey Obamabots suckers!!! Bill Richardson says Clinton Was Not Questioning Obama's Patriotism(video)
-The Obama Strategy: Victory By Voter Suppression
-Obama's Avalanche of LIES
-Calling all typical white people, if any left on Du to check in!
-Judas Richardson Does Nasty for Fox
-Rev. Wright, the US government did not inject African-American men with syphilis
-Why does Clinton do so well with blue collar whites?
-Are you typical of your ethnicity? (Poll)
-What exactly was Obama's drug use in the 90's?
-Obama papers confirm Rezko tie
-The Reverend Wright controversy is not going away...
-The cult of Godbama prayer thread.
-March 14, 2008,Obama released a new list of Rezko-related campaign contributors- I't GROWING SHEEPLE
-Post here if you are desperate to be added to the Obamaton "Final Solution" list
-Obamatons...
-Obama's Neoconservative Foreign Policy Agenda
-Obama tied to another racist, homophobe who is supposedly an Obama superdelegate
-Obama goes on vacation when going gets tough. Signs of weakness in campaign.
-Zionist Organization of America asks Obama to quit his church
-Obama runs a negative campaign while claiming to take the high road.
-IF IT'S BROWN, FLUSH IT DOWN!

The list looks no different now than it did then... look up there will ya?

Obama linked to terrorists?

WTF is WRONG WITH PEOPLE?

do you just HATE black people? Don't want them in your "Democratic Underground" clique?

[TomBall Democrat]

46. As a Democrat I'm not a fan of censorship

In the words of the late great Texan, Molly Ivins,

politics is a blood sport.


If you want civility - find a knitting circle.




P.S. This ain't for sissies, girls. It's important stuff.

Learn to ignore the trolls.

[FlyingSquirrel]

49. 3 posts a day in GDP is a form of censorship isn't it?

As is TS'ing someone

If that's ok, why not drop a flamer down to 1 a day, then if they keep it up, temporarily ban them from GDP and if that doesn't make 'em change their ways, just ban them till we have a nominee? There are plenty of other places they can spend their time and flame all they want. This isn't exactly a public place, it's a privately owned discussion forum.

[TomBall Democrat]

51. TS = Tombstoning?

In any event, I didn't set these rules. And I'm not sure I'm in favor of any of them.

If we didn't take the bait, they wouldn't have the impact they do.

I include myself in that - sometimes they light my switch.

But if we let it pass - it wouldn't happen.

Too many rules, too many police, just seems unDemocratic to me.

That's what I'm saying...

[TomBall Democrat]

52. you make a good point about private

server requirements, etc.

if Skinner limits based on that - that's a whole different thing.

his site - his game.

but civil police -telling us to be nice - sounds a little Orwellian to me.

[Avalux]

47. A nominee.

Then we can unite against the McCain infiltrators. As a relative newbie (nothing wrong with that), you weren't here for previous primary wars. Everything will be fine once we have a nominee. :hi:

[Auntie Bush]

62. Don't count on that if the Hillary hate and racist accusations continues.

I'M GETTING DAMN SICK OF IT! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! How much are Clinton supporters suppose to forgive and forget?

[Bryan]

53. Progressive discipline for rules violations

It takes some of the guesswork out of judging the severity of a given violation, and sets up a more reliable carrot-and-stick system.

[Moochy]

60. yeah mabye a red badge of trolldom for each locked thread

in the past 30 days.

[FlyingSquirrel]

63. The 30-day thing sounds good 'cause then you can redeem yourself

by improving your behavior, instead of some kind of record that stays in your profile forever.

[undeterred]

57. Other: We should be worrying about the GNP

[Catherine Vincent]

58. Kick all the asshole Obama and Hillary supporters out.

Especially the asshole Obama supporters since they outnumber the Hillary supporters.

[emilyg]

61. I like that.

[Forkboy]

64. The board would be empty.

[MadBadger]

65. And you get to stay cuz you PRETEND to be Neutral...right?

[NoBushSpokenHere]

66. Great OP Flying Squirrel

"Suggestion 3. Temporarily increase the number of "Replies" needed before a new user can begin posting threads. Increase it by a fairly large amount, something that would take a person with normal motivation about 3-4 days to achieve."

Not a bad idea at all.

Another suggestion: Until there is a nominee, disallow posts shorter than 3 or 4 paragraphs?

In regard to the comments down thread about kicking posts... I believe the trolls are working to keep posts favoring either side and the party to make them sink quickly. I tested this in the past week. I posted a couple threads just promoting our party in general instead of mentioning who I support. They sank rapidly each time they were kicked... I really believe our largest problems here stems from trolls not from supporters of either side (with only a couple exceptions for each side).

Try an anti-McCain post... I bet the other posts are kicked profusely to make it land at the bottom of the heap!

[FlyingSquirrel]

70. The post-kicking thing disappeared

Because I posted the idea as a response to something that I kinda figured might turn into a little flame war (and obviously did). To repeat, it'd probably be a good idea that you can only kick your own OP twice and after that you can continue to reply and it would show up on the person's "My DU" that you replied, but your replies would not kick the thread up. And anyone else that responds to the thread, same thing after 2-3 replies.

[NoBushSpokenHere]

71. Not sure if I agree about the post kicking limit

I can see where it would help but I can also see where the posts could be buried easily by other people kicking the other posts by responses... will have to think a bit on that one.

[lumberjack_jeff]

68. Maybe some biblical lessons.

First offense, a crown of thorns in the form of membership to the asshole hall of fame.
Second offense, excommunication from gd/p
Third offense, a three-day tombstone, except without all that unseemly gnashing of teeth, and eagerness for their return.
Fourth offense I need to do some thinking about. Perhaps I should reread Dante.

[BlooInBloo]

72. A smarter electorate.

[HughMoran]

75. Best thing ever was the day I hid GD:P!!

I rarely "troll" in GDP any more. Some people may consider me a troll - who knows, but I consider GDP to be a place that troll go to start trouble.

[stevietheman]

76. The only solution is Hillary conceding the race. n/t

n/t

[Political Heretic]

77. A NOMINEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Levgreee]

78. people should alert more often instead of making "outrage threads" 0 tolerance

[apocalypsehow]

79. ...

n/t.

[readmoreoften]

80. NO MORE RECS!!!! NO MORE GREATEST PAGE!!!

Sorry to yell. But it'd be nice if the greatest page was full of actual information, not CLINTON MURDERED MY DOG and I DON'T LIKE OBAMA. Also, the political operatives won't get their messages out as easily.

[MethuenProgressive]

81. YOU MAKE GREAT POINTS!!

:hi:

[apocalypsehow]

82. Like you're some kind of disinterested party here, concerned only about "actual information"....

:eyes:

[readmoreoften]

86. Yeah I AM a disinterested party here. I wish you'd all wake the fuck up.

I just don't like the attitude of many of Obama's supporters. There have been more than a few times where I've cringed at Hillary supporter's comments--particularly regarding race. I also don't like some of the 'concern' comments about Reverend Wright, particularly the patriotism-baiting nonsense. But I can do without all the rampant, red-eyed, fang-toothed anti-Clinton diatribes--not because I am so 'pro-Clinton' but because it is CLEARLY right-wing propaganda being absorbed by the so-called 'progressives' on this site as they cling to the desperate hope that Obama is somehow 'different' than all these other showboating neoliberal pawns. I welcome--and agree with--almost all socialist and non-neoliberal critiques of Clinton. But to act as if somehow Clinton is (a) a radical evil that is opposed to (b) Obama's radical progressive goodness avoids (c) reality.

Let's not delude ourselves here cookie: BOTH Obama and Clinton are free-trade militarists. They are only different in tone and personality. They are only slightly better than Bush for the people of the US and they are no better than Bush for the majority of the people of the world. Voting for the Democrat in this election is like voting for one Katrina as opposed to two Katrinas. What I like about some Clinton supporters is that they know that. What I don't like about most Obama supporters is that they don't.

We're cowards for not rallying behind our 'less electable' candidates and we'll reap the damages. Actually, we don't. We'll probably never see the damages.

[apocalypsehow]

88. I don't believe you.

n/t.

[Swamp Rat]

83. I find it entertaining.

I've been inspired on a number of occasions. :D

[McCamy Taylor]

84. We need a second rating system for this section only. Something to encourage quality, no just mass

appeal or pure raw anger. Here you can get recs by appealing to some very unattractive emotions. So, for instance, a post that says merely "Hillary is a f***ing w***e, free Randi!" might get 100 recs. Why? That isn't a thread. It is a bumper sticker. People who visit will think "Who posts here? Grade school kids?"

I suggest that the mods give out stars, hearts and other symbols for special quality posts here in GD.P. Hearts could be for threads that encourage unity. Stars are for high quality work, new ideas that have not been posted a gazillion times, independent research. There could also be little donkeys for threads that have the Party's best interest at heart. Little Obamas for threads that are especially recommended for Obama supporters, little Hillarys for Hillary supporters. That way posters would compete for these sticker prizes.

It would increase the quality of posts here.

[FlyingSquirrel]

91. Those are actually pretty cool ideas. (Kinda cute too)

[L. Coyote]

85. The rules are not the problem, the posters are the problem, and those who reply

to pure BS instead of allowing it to sink to oblivion.

It takes two to fight! Just think, "How would MLK reply," before each post perhaps.

[FlyingSquirrel]

92. Well I won't name any names

But Forkboy sure seems to love bumpin' up crap threads till they get locked.

:D

[Lone_Star_Dem]

93. "It takes two to fight."

True words. However, some here are spoiling for a fight. It's the driving force behind their posts. We also have others rising to their bait and wrapping a cloak of victimization around themselves after the attack. This forum is a classic example of emotional and social dysfunctions. Basically, what we're experiencing in GDP is a bunch of posters wielding sharpened sticks poking blindly at each other. If someone happens to be poked they then become "outraged" that they were attacked. Never mind that they are equally guilty of wielding a weapon against their "enemy".

Perceptions are skewed at the moment and they won't be straightened out until after there's a nominee.

My heart goes out to the mods for the mess they're going to have to deal with in the wake of the official nomination. They're going to go through a real hell week.

[OzarkDem]

87. Moratorium on new users

until mods have time to catch up.

Then review the rules. DU is being pwned.

[cornermouse]

89. I don't know.

I don't.

[Jamastiene]

90. We have plenty of rules being broken in here.

Better enforcement of current rules would do the trick, but with the bias being so bad, that is not likely to happen. I'm sure if the ones in charge keep up the way things have been going (slowly banning every Hillary supporter from "the list"), the Obama supporters will be the only ones left and there should be no more problems. Right?

Better and more even handed enforcement of the rules would be the best solution to the problem. That and fixing my damn alert button could help that along a lot better.