Proud member of the "Michael Moore Left" here.

[last1standing]

I've noticed a few of our more "centrist" members at DU calling those of us who support progressive policies the "Michael Moore Left" and I'd like to make a few comments about that.

If the Michael Moore Left is made up of those who support health care for all of our citizens, then I'm proud to be a member.

If the Michael Moore Left is full of starry eyed liberals who want to see the bush* cabal put on trial and their support of torture, theft and constitutional rape denounced to all the world, I'm happy to be one of them.

If the Michael Moore Left is a group of nuts who support ending poverty so that that no one must live on the streets and none of us must try to raise a child with no ability to put a roof over their heads or food in their bellies, then count me as a nut.

If the Michael Moore Left is nothing more than a group of hippie wannabes who think we should stop killing innocent people in that oil for blood exchange called the Iraq War, then get me a set of beads and a VW bus.

I'd have to say that I'm much happier being a member of the Michael Moore Left than I would be in supporting the alternative, a cynical, self-serving continuation of the same policies that have decimated the infrastructure and the soul of this country for the past 30 years.

So if you're using the term "Michael Moore Left" as an insult, I guess I'd have to ask what you stand for and why you're here at DU. I think there's another forum that would better fit your views.

[marmar]

1. Count me in that club.....

.... Proudly.

[roguevalley]

58. me and my parents, my grandparents on both sides and most of

my uncles and aunts. All leftie dems. Proudly.

[Cooley Hurd]

2. Recommending, and I, too, stand with Michael!

Always have and always will!:patriot:

[Lerkfish]

3. kicked and recc'd

[K Gardner]

4. Hillary supporters: The New Right Wing

[cbayer]

29. Where in the world did that come from?

What does this have to do with Hillary supporters?

[last1standing]

31. It doesn't.

I tend to just move past the "blame the other candidate" posts. This is about specific posters who obviously have little use for us Michael Moore Leftists.

[cbayer]

35. I like you more all the time.

:toast:

[last1standing]

38. Stop that! Next thing you know Clinton and Obama supporters will be getting along all over DU!

That would have to cause some sort of rift in the time continuum or something else sci-fi like.

But I'll take the chance, anyway.


:toast:

[emilyg]

85. What?

[LibDemAlways]

5. Count me in. Michael's step-daughter is married to

my sister-in-law's cousin, so I like to refer to him as a distant relative. LOL

[Symarip]

13. LUCKY!!!!! nt

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

6. Sign me up ! I will be proud to be a member.

[tishaLA]

7. I'm one too

[Symarip]

8. Oh Noes!!!!11 Nawt Michel Moar!!!!111one11

The Michael Moore crowd is way too radical.

Really?

Let's face it, Michael Moore's last movie made health care the issue it is today.

Michael Moore made Bush a villain. Does anyone else remember before Fahrenheit 911 that Bush was supposed SWEEP the election in 2004??? The mainstream media was painting it out to be a yawner.

Michael Moore's books stand up for the Working Class more than any politician ever will.

And, he never yells.



If being a Michael Moore progressive is wrong, then I don't want to be right.

[mother earth]

9. A Michael Moore Leftie right here...and maybe even a bit more

of a leftie, but I call that being progressive. :toast:

The so called "right" has been 100% wrong, they seek to fleece the US not to make it great or good. When you say God Bless America, remember the rights that have been won for the average Joe, remember the rule of law, and you have all that is good always being on the left.

:patriot:

Editing for hugs for my fellow members...:grouphug:

[Left coast liberal]

10. Count me as a proud member too! Well said.

[Ichingcarpenter]

11. Sign me up! n/t

[HughBeaumont]

12. Are you fucking kidding me?

DUers? Using THAT RW chestnut?

Lemme at'em. LEMME at em!!!

"Michael Moore Left"??? I'd rather be a card-carrying member of that club a MILLION times more than a water-carrier for the DLC and the Cabal the Lieberturds of this world want to be part of.

Although someone on here once said, and I quote: "Progressives are as useless as tits on a boar", so nothing really surprises me.

[Skidmore]

17. We have our share of RWnuts who are wearing DU masks right now

and pretending they are at Mardi Gras.

[last1standing]

19. I've been seeing it more and more lately.

And I'm always stunned that someone could feel comfortable bashing Moore and still want to post here. It seems to me that if you don't agree with MM you're more likely to feel at home at free republic.

[Skidmore]

14. Here, here, here!!!

[Danger Mouse]

15. I'm a leftie, not a centrist...and damn proud of it.

[FiveGoodMen]

16. K&R

:applause:

[cbayer]

18. I just did a search for this term on DU

I found two references to it. Yours and one non-sequitor that I can't even figure out.

Perhaps you could point out more specifically what you are referring to.

[last1standing]

20. I would if it were allowed.

I can tell you that I saw it just before I posted this thread and that I've been seeing it pop up here more and more. Other than that you'll just have to do your own research. :)

[cbayer]

26. You are not allowed to link to posts?

Wow, that's news to me.

I did my own research. I can't find it.

[last1standing]

27. You can't "call out" another member of DU.

At least not to criticize them.

I did send you a PM with the link, however.

[Ken Burch]

101. Can you send the links through pm's?

If so, lay 'em on me!

[last1standing]

105. Just sent.

Thanks for asking. :hi:

[last1standing]

22. I just PM'd you with the last time I saw it.

If anyone else needs proof, please let me know and I'll PM you.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

23. The right wing troll used the term "Michael Moore crowd"

And then "left wing nuts"

[IsItJustMe]

21. K&R

Count me in.

[blonndee]

24. K & R!

[SeattleGirl]

25. Proud member of the Michael Moore Left here!

And I totally agree with your last two lines!

[Solon]

28. I don't think its that specific term that's the problem, but the dismissal of leftists...

by using terms such as "looney left" and many others. Its almost like they think no good ideas come from the left side of the political spectrum, yet look at all the ideas that DID come from the left:

First political party to put civil rights on the platform, the Socialist Party USA.

Founders of the ACLU and NAACP, leftists, hell even some outright Communists(there's the red canard)!

Social Security was part of the platform for many Socialist candidates for President well before FDR ran for office. Same for Medicare and most other social programs.

A Socialist first made people aware of how horrible meat packing plants were, that would be Upton Sinclair. This awareness lead to one of the first regulations of the meat packing industry for food and worker safety.

Child Labor, 40 hour workweek, regulations on businesses ranging from safety to minimum wage laws were first advocated by leftists of all stripes.

I could go on, but these are the big ones.

[last1standing]

37. You should post that in it's own thread, Solon.

No, the problem isn't a specific term, it's the hateful and voice suppressing message behind it.

Thanks. :)

[Solon]

42. I thought it was interesting, a month ago, there was an LBN thread about Helen Keller...

Who everybody knows was an advocate for the Deaf and Blind throughout the nation, and considered one of our Greatest Americans. The thread was started because the earliest picture of Helen Keller, and Sullivan, was found, Helen was about 8 or 9 in the picture.

What people don't know is that when she became an adult, Helen Keller became an Ardent Socialist and advocated for things like free medical care, especially pre and post natal, to reduce illness related disabilities in the poor. She advocated for better working and living conditions, better pay, etc. She also helped co-found the ACLU and the NAACP. Pretty amazing for anyone of any time period regardless of what disabilities they had. I wonder why that stuff isn't mentioned in the History books?

[last1standing]

45. What we aren't told about history could fill a book.

Oh wait, I guess it has....several. :(

[Ken Burch]

104. Eugene Debs, A. Philip Randolph, Michael Harrington, Bella Abzug, Harvey Milk

proud democratic socialists all.

Our party needs to learn from them. There IS no such thing as a "humane capitalist", unless that capitalist has been FORCED to be humane(Ben and Jerry's being the sole, freakish exception, but maybe it was overexposure to dairy products in their case.)

[last1standing]

107. Capitalism isn't necessarily inhumane.

The complete disintegration of regulatory control coupled with a society that worships the rich while despising the poor is what creates the situation we're in now. Many other countries around the world have managed to create capitalist societies with humane regulations to keep things in line. I would say the problem here lies in our obsession to be "pure capitalists". We are extremists who have no ability to understand that socialism can work with capitalism in a way that benefits everyone. But when 95% of the media is owned by four of the wealthiest corporations in the world, there's no one to inform people of this.

[Ken Burch]

113. I did say it COULD, in theory, be humane, if FORCED to be from below.

You NEED a left for that.

[last1standing]

115. I think everything needs to be forced from below.

Regardless of the monetary policy if those at the top are not bound by those at the bottom inhumane treatment results. The Soviet Union and the PRC are good examples of this on one side while the U.S. and Apartheid South Africa are good examples on the other.

Either way, though, you're right. We need a STRONG LEFT. Without us Michael Moore Leftists there would be no Constitution or human rights left at all in this country.

[Forkboy]

30. Jiacinto lives!

He hated Moore with a passion bordering on deranged.

[last1standing]

32. That's a flashback!

And one I could have lived without!

:hi:

[Forkboy]

39. Sorry.

:)

[McCamy Taylor]

33. The Michael Moore left called Gore the same as Bush and backed Nader in 2000

The Michael Moore left is a group of artists, actors, writers and others who profit by adopting a political stance which helps them sell their movies, tennis shoes, apparel lines, books, music to a young, hip, trendy audience. They will back whichever candidate they peg as the most avant garde whether or not that candidate can win, because that will get them the cache they need to continue selling product.

They are capitalists of a particularly noxious breed--capitalists who feed off the misery of those of us who know that we are suffering and who want to do something about our suffering.

The thing is that these leeches will be out of work if the revolution ever comes, because then what will they be able to market as a form of protest in a shoe/CD/movie/dress?

Do not be fooled. The real revolutionaries are the ones out there organizing unions and teaching Latinos to read and write and manning soup kitchens. They are not the millionaire leftists who do better when George W. Bush is in office because they can sell more "protest" movies.

[last1standing]

36. No offence, but that's pure bullshit.

Your comments are nothing more than one-dimensional portrayals of the same tired stereotypes the right wing has foisted on us for years. I hope you're able to break the brain washing at some point and realize that this "noxious breed" has been doing their best to help average people for years, many of them fighting against the politicians who have been destroying this country.

[Solon]

43. Are you sure your on the right board?

That screed belongs better on a certain site I will not name.

[McCamy Taylor]

46. Unless the socialist workers have a site I dont know about I dont know what board you are talking

about. The capitalists who attached themselves to the left in the late sixties and early seventies deserted the Dems as soon as Reagan showed up in the early 80s. Now they are ready to hop back on board. I wonder how long they will stay this time.

Guys. I have seen them before. They will sell "poverty chic"---designer jeans that cost $400 bucks but look like they are five years old and have been used to pick grapes. They will talk about solidarity with the poor while the employee immigrant workers at less than minimum wage.

There are plenty of people who really do care, but there are also plenty of con artists who embrace a political cause or movement because it is easier than adopting a third world baby---

And in about 10 years, the same people will be talking about how "refreshing" it is to have family values back in the White House. Or how "sound fiscal policy" is more important than social issues.

[last1standing]

47. Are you trying to merge "Michael Moore Leftists" with "Reagan Democrats"?

If so, you really need to bone up on your political history.

You obviously have a chip on your shoulder against a large subsection of Democrats and that's a shame. But there's still no reason to slander and malign us. Really.

[McCamy Taylor]

49. I am still mad at Michael Moore. He knew better than to support Nader.

All the polls said that with Nader in the race, it was going to throw the election to Bush. That meant that Moore decided that a Bush presidency was going to be good for him personally. Shake things up. Help him sell movies. The rest of Nader's supporters were movie stars. Maybe they were not too bright. But plenty of people went along with Moore because they knew he was smart. I consider him personally responsible for a huge chunk of the Nader vote.

And I think he did it to sell box office.

[Solon]

53. "...personally responsible for a large chunk of the Nader vote."

I think you give Michael Moore far too much power, especially in the time period, than he deserves. Besides, he apologized for that and has been a big supporter of Democrats since. Remember, this was before Bowling for Columbine, Fahrenheit 9/11 or SiCKO. Moore, as I remember it, wasn't nearly as high profile back then as he is today.

[DutchLiberal]

94. Moore supported Nader because Nader had the best platform.

Blame Gore for failing to build a better platform, don't blame Nader or Moore for coming up with a better one.

[Solon]

51. Who are you talking about now?

If you are talking about the CEO's of many major corporations that pretend to be on the left but fight unions and regulations, I would agree, but you weren't talking about them, you specifically mentioned Hollywood. I find that interesting, sure, many of them are rich, but quite a few weren't exactly born that way, nor are they necessarily exploiting anyone to advance any causes. Of those who are actors, directors, producers, or writers, who advocate for things like fair wages, regulation of media, etc. My question is, what's wrong with that, are celebrities, of any stripe, supposed to keep silent when they have opinions on things?

Think of what Michael J. Fox did in my State, probably the biggest reason McCaskill was elected into office, was because of Michael J. Fox's ads on TV advocating for her and stem cell research, oh and Rush's attempts at discrediting him that backfired, what an asshole Rush is. Is Michael J. Fox doing stuff like this for a selfish reason because he has Parkinson's disease? Yes he is, but he is no worse than any other sick person or their families seeking cures for their ailments. The fact is that celebrities using their celebrity to advocate for a cause that would benefit us all, such as stem cell research, should be lauded, not dismissed or denigrated.

Another example would be the Writer's Guild strike, most actors came out in support of the strike, and refused to cross picket lines because of it. In some cases, those forced back onto their shows for contractual reasons, such as Stewart and Colbert, actually made the strike the centerpiece of their shows, showing solidarity with the strikers themselves. Hell, that was the first time, in my lifetime, that I've seen any type of sympathetic portrayal of strikers on TV, and I'm 30!

The fact is that we need to concentrate our fight on the true exploiters of the working class, not our allies. To denigrate celebrities just because they are celebrities seem foolish, let's denigrate those that actually fight against us already.

[ekwhite]

110. Oh my god, the Socialist Worker's Party

I remember those dudes selling papers at every Vietnam war rally I ever went to, and to quite a few anti-Contra rallies too. I never got into the Trotsky vs. Stalin myself. For those who don't remember them, here is a link.

Personally, I prefer Democratic Socialism, but I guess that doesn't make me radical enough for you.

[vssmith]

65. People help the cause in different ways

[Bluenorthwest]

66. Utter crap

First off, your history is sadly lacking if you can dare claim that artists and actors have ever benefited from taking a progressive stance or any political position. I will ask you to name a line of apparel that has been promoted using Progressive ideals, and I will at the same time say to you 'Blacklisting'. Yes, the fact is that most American artists who have dared take a non center postition in politics suffered greatly for that fact. And who is selling music by being allinged with Moore? Who? How?
Your entire line of reasoning is enought to make me look up your posts, see whom you support, and act in the opposite direction. You are Kazan. Look it up. In showbiz that's not a compliment.
I'd like to remind you that almost all of the revolutionaries who founded this country were wealthy and powerful. If all the agents of change just served soup and taught English, I think the right would be pleased as punch. They need the workers to speak English and not starve until needed.
Tell me sir, about the shoe that is marketed as a form of Protest. I am dying to hear it. Last time I looked, high priced shoes are marketed mostly by athletes to poor kids to wear as a sign of conformity and mock affluence. Feel free to show otherwise.
We can also talk about Moore and Nader and what Moore did in 2004. He toured the nation's campuses promoting Kerry/Edwards and condemning Nader loudly. Moore was wrong and has said so thousands of times, in word and in action. He spent money to do that, he did not make money doing that. It cost him millions and months. So while we have one candidate many think should apologize for the IWR vote, and another many think should apologize for slurs against gay people by his surrogates, and both candidates refuse, Michale Moore has not only apologized but done penance. Real men can say 'I was wrong'.
Can you?

[Turn CO Blue]

70. This is a fantastic response. Welcome to DU! n/t

[ekwhite]

109. You know, it's funny, but I am none of those things

I like Michael Moore, and agreed with what he said in Bowling for Columbine and Fahrenheit 9/11, so I guess that would make me part of "the Michael Moore left." But the funny thing is, I am neither an artist, actor, or writer. I don't make a penny by adopting a political stance. If anything, it would be more advantageous to me personally to be a Republican. I have met a lot of other people who agree with Michael Moore and who are out there organizing for unions, teaching ESL classes, and manning soup kitchens.

You seem to have a position, and you don't want to let the facts get in your way.

[Mooney]

34. Holla!

I guess I'm a member too.

And I drink latte, motherfuckers!!! Moo-ha-ha-ha-ha!

[last1standing]

40. We're also apparently selfish actors/writers who do this for profit.

At least according to the defense of using Michael Moore for hateful purposes above, we're all just supporting progressive causes for our own cynical desires. :eyes:

[Mooney]

41. Right, because there's so much money in it.

Whoever made this fascinating suggestion to you is cordially invited to go fuck themselves.

[Solon]

44. You know Charlie Chaplan milked it for all it was worth!

:D

Was forbidden from reentering the United States for his trouble.

[McCamy Taylor]

48. OK If they are not selling ANYTHING, then you can trust them. But if there

is any merchandising, including their own image on some screen somewhere, that stands to gain from their association with a "youth dominated political movement", I would not trust these people, because when gas got hard to find at the pumps and the nation went into recession at the end of the 70s and Iran took the hostages, most of them decided that they would rather shove coke up their noses and start voting Republican.

[Bluenorthwest]

68. You are uninformed

Listen up. I was in showbiz all through the 80's and I met Two people who voted GOP one was the current Gov of CA and the other Ron Silver. They say there are others, but man oh man, they are rare birds indeed.
Most of our artists did tons of coke and voted Repulican? Delusional. We were in fact, in the streets. I can make a list of one hunderd famous names I saw marching in the streets like the rest of the people, no special status, just a sign and a pair of comfy shoes. I walked behind Morgan Fairchild, not exactly known as a radical, in the rain, pouring rain, for many blocks, protesting Reagan policy. She's one you'd never think of. There were tons of us. What you are in a position to smugly forget is that those of us in the arts were watching our friends and peers and those who employed us drop dead, too young, too fast, and in large numbers. We organized, and frankly we paid for the medical needs and social needs of an entire class of sick people for years while the Gov you think we were voting for did nothing. Said nothing. Insurance denied there was even a problem, and paid no claims. If I had a dime for every dollar I spent, just me, while the rest of you 'citizens' were playing 'see no evil, hear no evil', I would be far better off than I am today. Coke? Try paying the rent for 3 people and your own when you are 25 years old, and then come tell me how you liked it.
Lots of people did the right thing. Millions more did not. What did you do?

[walldude]

50. Moore now too? He dead? Or are they just

using the old right wing Michael Moore only cares for Michael Moore line?

[McCamy Taylor]

54. If you want to model after anyone, model after MLK Jr. Do not choose as a model

someone who is in the business of making protest their business. That is all I am saying. Matters of business and money always corrupt. If a person is an artist in a way that is totally unrelated to their political endeavors, that is fine. Diego Rivera would have been Diego Rivera even if he was not a communist. He was a genius. However, you have to be careful, because in the modern world it is possible for people to make very good money selling products that take the place of a lot of things that we would like to have--like love, sex, freedom and liberation. People will buy clothing that claims that it will "liberate you"---when you go to the same soul crushing job everyday for the same substandard wage with the same lack of benefits. Society has pulled a fast one on you. The "Urban Decay" line of cosmetics was an example of that. Social revolution in a bottle. How about revolution in the work place? Music will promise to liberate you but all it does is take your $60 and rob you of your hearing. You could better spend the time down at the local Democratic Party office, helping to send out mailers. I am sure that Michael Moore cares, but because he is also Michael Moore Inc and has to think about his image 24-7 and how it affects his business, he is not really free. Not the way that the MLK Jrs and Gandhis of the world are. He has an empire to run.

[Bluenorthwest]

90. Well here I am again to counter your hot air

With reality based information that you can ignore. OK. Michael Moore Inc? You sir, need to be schooled. Let us begin.
Moore is not in the business of protest. He is in the film business. He is also a rare thing in this country when it comes to artists, he is a grassroots, non corporate self made sucess story. Mike's from Michigan, and his first film was made on the extreme cheap, by hand, in his home town, as a way to tell the story of what had happened in Flint. And that film became a sucsess, because of the story, Mike's ability to tell it, and most of all his greatest talent, which is finding a few good laughs along the way.
He's never made a comfortable film. He could have made deals for sit-coms and stoner comedies that would have allowed him to make a fortune without taking a shred of personal risk. Fharenheit 9-11 almost did not get released, made many enemies for Moore in the biz and elsewhere, and due to the nature of the story that no one else would tell then, he wound up making a huge amount of money. More than he ever dreamed he would have I am very sure. Documentary guys don't think about rich. He's like a guy who won the lotto, his career could never have been expected to bring that kind of wealth, trust me. The idea that you think he is concerned with image and business all the time just makes me laugh. That is just silly. He is more free that you and me, because in essence he is you and me, only with millions of dollars earned from mocking Bush. I too mocked Bush. Mike did it better.
Yeah, he's thinking about his empire. He's thinking about his next film. And he's not worried about money anymore at all, so he can just think about the film. That is what film guys and gals do, you see. Make movies.
Self made grass roots artist, never made an empty hunk of junk, who has brought many vital subjects to our national discussion, this is not good enough for you? Because one of his films made him rich? A film we all needed?
If nothing else man, you are damn hard to please. Do you dress like Trotsy and refuse to season your food?

[ekwhite]

117. So you are the official MLK arbiter?

That takes a lot of hubris, IMHO.

I suppose you are criticizing 'radical chic.' There is certainly some of that around such as the people who wear Che Guevara T-shirts to the mall because it is 'cool,' without understanding who Che Guevara was and who he stood for. That can be legitimately criticized, as can corporate America, especially when it promotes 'radical clothing' made in sweatshops.

Michael Moore is a shameless self-promoter to be sure, but he is contributing to the progressive cause, and I welcome any help we can get from his quarter, without putting him on a pedestal. He is a genius documentary film maker, and his work is just as valuable, albeit much more lucrative, than time spent in a soup kitchen.

I have spent a lot of time studying the life of Mohandas Gandhi and Martin Luther King, Jr., and I think they would not be condemning Michael Moore. They were both very pragmatic people, and welcomed help from wherever they could get it - even if it happened to be from self-promoters. Gandhi, of course, would be the first to criticize companies like "Urban Decay," in the strongest terms, but he would also respect them as people while condemning their actions. Consider what MLK or Gandhi would actually say about Michael Moore, if you purport to push their views.

[mudesi]

52. The majority of DU is the "Michael Moore left"

But those conservative 10% sure are vocal.

[McCamy Taylor]

55. I don't know about the conservative 10%. I am the radical 1%, a Marxist.

[JohnnyLib2]

61. Gotta ask, how often are Marxists accused of using RW points?

GD:P really is a special place, LOL.


:evilgrin: :banghead: :hi:

[last1standing]

62. Only when they use them.

And it is a special place, thank you.

[Bluenorthwest]

69. No marxist here

Mostly because all the marxists I met in my youth were gay hating effetes who later in life became major republicans. It is a very similar thing. All kinds of dogma and the kind of souless claptrap we see on display here.
Very dating thinking. Here is a suprise. Music has not 'promised liberation' in decades. Nor has fashion or literature or film. Liberation and revolution are so out of style, one could never move product using those images anyway. The people who consume the materialist stuff are status quo centerists and right wingers, they don't seek nor want liberation from anything. Pigs in shit don't want to be liberated. So they won't buy it, but will buy more shit any day.
Your thinking is much like the other marxists I've know, based on theory and in fact prejudice and not on real world experience. A marxist I knew in college used to openly oppose gay rights as 'bougie and facist' he still opposes gay rights, but now he backs Bush's wars and lives by collecting rents and working for companies in other countires, hireing Americans for the lowest possible figure he can deliver.
I also met a bunch with guns in Berlin, who pointed arms at kids like me for looking at them...yes, you are part of a proud faction. Keep reading the propaganda. You will be voting for McCain and calling your tenents leeches in a year or two. Maybe you already do?
How do you make your living? You seem happy to trash artists, are you one?

[Ken Burch]

102. Which is a weird thing to hear from you, considering that your posts generally attack leftists here.

If you really are on the left, why are you so harsh on your own kind?

Shouldn't you focus on attacking the enemy?

[ekwhite]

119. It's called insufficiently radical syndrome

I saw a lot of it in the 1960's and 1970's.

[ekwhite]

118. More like a Trotskyite, apparently

I'm afraid you remind me a lot of the Maoists I used to argue with back in the 1960s and 1970s. Before MLK was killed, they called him an 'Uncle Tom,' and thought Gandhi was naive. Anyone who disagreed with them was 'insufficiently radical.'

Most of those bastards are now right wingers.

[GoneOffShore]

100. Only if you listen to them.

It's interesting to see this thread with blackouts.

If more DU'ers would put these asshats on Ignore they'd soon get tired of spewing their crappy RW talking points and go off to Freeperville where they obviously belong.
If no one gave them any attention perhaps they'd get the idea.

[polichick]

56. I'm in! :)

[Patriot 76]

57. Michael Moore pointed me to DU 4 years ago.

He makes films about issues we all should care about. Health care, gun control, evil corporations, and a whole movie about how wrong he was about Al Gore. Just seeing a room of 12 people watch "Fahrenheit 9/11" and see them start to care about the direction of the country is priceless.

Everyone keep up the great posts.

[last1standing]

60. Thanks, and Excellent first post!

I'd welcome you to DU but I saw that you've been here for two years, already.

Welcome to posting at DU. I hope you have a lot more to say. :hi:

[Gold Metal Flake]

59. I will gladly allow Michael Moore to personify the rightward limits of my political preferences.

[ekwhite]

121. I like the Thom Hartmann avatar, by the way N/T

:thumbsup:

[Gold Metal Flake]

126. Thanks!

A lovely DUer spent an evening making avatars and such for other DUers once. It was a couple of years back and I regret that I can not remeber who it was. The person's picture shrinking skills were amazing.

[dana_b]

63. I LOVE being a Michael Moore lefty!

Great post!! Yes, his methods are over the top, however, I don't know any filmaker or artist today who can bring the BIG issues to the forefront and get people talking like he does. I sincerely think that a lot of this refocused energy on health care is partially due to "Sicko". Call me a looney, but I will watch any movie he makes and peobably read the book too.

[vssmith]

64. Michael Moore fan here too

[Faygo Kid]

67. Me, too. Plus, I want to retire where he is, and be active in the community like Michael

A Michael Moore Leftist is also someone passionately involved in his community. I have always wanted to live in northwest lower Michigan (Traverse City area), and that's where Michael is, too. He has done great things in that community, including the Traverse City Film Festival and rescuing downtown's State Theater.

He's got a big heart. Plus, he's a Tigers fan. Works for me.

[Orsino]

71. Yeah. Let's not conflate "Democratic" with "liberal."

America's two major parties are both profoundly conservative. They are not diametrically opposed; they are competitors who conspire to keep any other parties from intruding on their duopoly. The only liberal running for president got out of the race long ago, leaving us with Tweedledum and Tweedledee on the center-right versus the hard-right McCain.

Big Money and Big Ignorance will win in November, and most Americans will cheer them on. No matter which candidate takes office, socialized medicine and marriage equality will remain out of reach. Hydrocarbon combustion will still run our economy, and the corporations will still run our government and our wars.

I'm a Michael Moore liberal, too, I guess.

[Lou Queb]

72. Is this really it ?

How can I get an objective sense of what the democratic party is about ? My perception is that this party is centrist, comprised of factions spanning liberals and conservatives. Is there really no hope, is there really no substantial difference between the democratic party's core (and its presidential candidates) and the right ?

What about the green or the socialist party, couldn't you guys mobilize within a third party with more left leanage ?

[Orsino]

74. It's precisely because there are so few aware of the issues...

...that liberal viewpoints aren't studied. That they aren't propagated via the MSM is self-evident; that's how corporate interests have moved the perceived center over to the right.

The Iraq War was objectively a terrible, criminal idea. The MSM has censored that notion, however, and focused the debate on whether it's a great idea that should be funded indefinitely, or the greatest idea EVAR. We should be discussing how rapidly we can withdraw, and what reparations to make, but instead have our patriotism questioned and are left wondering whether even a Democrat will ever completely end our military involvement.

So the two parties are to the right of centrism, but so is most of the rest of the country, because that's the slant of the vast majority of public discourse. We've been trained to be conservative; it just hasn't taken as well in some of us.

[last1standing]

75. I agree, but I think that the Democratic party is our best chance at reaching "liberal" objectives.

I consider myself a moderate in a country that has gone far right. We give trillions to mega-corporations while telling the middle class and poor to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. We deny people healthcare because it's too expensive then spend more than every other country on earth combined on arms. We're fed the idea that this is the most free and equal country in the world then tell gays they can't marry, tell African Americans they'd better not move into certain areas and tell women that it's not their time.

Hell yes, I'm a Michael Moore Lefty! To me that's being moderate.

Thanks for your support.

[Orsino]

76. Yeah. The necessary change is just barely possible with Dems in charge...

...and impossible under Republican rule. Easy choice for me.

[DutchLiberal]

95. Finally, somebody who tells the truth. Thank you!

[LWolf]

99. You nailed that one. n/t

[Scurrilous]

73. K & R

:thumbsup:

[Life Long Dem]

77. Hillary divides the Democractic party.

Before her didn't it feel we were all one in this against Bush?
Now I can't believe some of the things I am seeing Hillary supporters defending. It has gotten crazy because of the things her supporters are defending. From her lies of terrorism to NAFTA, to the Iraq war, I can't see how all of a sudden they are defending everything she does.
Is this the old grannies who will never see another chance for a woman President? Then are they not caring how they leave the planet to grandchildren? Wasn't the war the whole reason for the 2006 Tsunami we saw. Well what the fuck happened?

[H2O Man]

78. Great post!

Thank you, and nominated with pride.

I think highly of Michael Moore. He takes positions that are a bit to the right of my own, but I think that he is a good and decent person, and I admire his work.

When I joined DU, it was primarily a site for progressive and liberal democrats, with a lot of good Greens and socialists. I think that moderate to conservative democrats viewed the left as another neighborhood they could visit at election time, to gain contributions and votes.

[peace frog]

79. Proud member of the caucus

K & R

[roody]

80. I am in! And MM is way to the right of me.

[k8conant]

81. Equally proud member here!

Sheesh! my RW uninformed husband said a while back that I turned socialist since we married 21 years ago. I said "No, I was already socialist". The sooner we have socialized medicine the better. Obama won't get us there, but he's better than the other two across the board.

[dbonds]

82. Charter member here.

[Arugula Latte]

83. Yes. Me too!

:woohoo:

[penndragon69]

84. Viva La'Moore

I'd vote for a Canadian for president any day!

[Lou Queb]

86. so you guys are saying basiclly that Obama is a ''lesser'' from a leftist perspective ?

So you guys are saying basiclly that Obama is a ''lesser'' from a leftist perspective ?

[La Coliniere]

87. I've never considered myself to be

anything other than a member of the "Michael Moore Left". If it were a club, I'd proudly renew my membership every year. One of the things that initially drew me to DU was the assumption that most people here were of a similar inclination. Always disappointed when I realize otherwise.

[MasonJar]

88. Every thread has to turn into a bash Hillary debacle because some

DUers refuse to allow other topics. I am a Hill supporter and I love Michael Moore! So get thee back to the GDP please!!!!!!!

[OzarkDem]

89. More like the Nader left

probably a more accurate description.

I like Michael Moore and Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party.

[tabasco]

91. Some Hillary supporters here condemn the "liberal left media."

Where HAVE I heard that before??

:shrug:

[pattmarty]

92. Evidently some so called Liberals are believing.....................

..........what ALL the MSM says about Michael Moore. Is it 4 or 5 films that Moore has done that should show ALL that if anything he is mainstream. It's all about moving the so called "center" in politics. When you have every one of the ass holes in this administration that the MSM call "centrist" when they are really "far right extremists". Take this fucking jerk John Yoo for example; this guy is a fucking Fascist plain & simple, no question about it. It's strictly in the perspective and if the MSM is telling you Michael Moore is a "dangerous socialist" then most people believe it. I support Michael Moore and all of his views!!!!!!

[DutchLiberal]

93. I consider it an honor when somebody calls me "part of the Michael Moore Left"!

B-)

[90-percent]

96. Been a Michael Moore fan since

Since his first film, "Roger and Me".

And who can forget "TV Nation" that was on network TV.

and the great movie "Canadian Bacon", a genuinely sweet and hilarious movie. (I wish Mike would carry on in the Canadian Bacon genre now and then)

I use the term "Michael Moore Liberal Democrat" to label myself on all the custom car boards I frequent. Succinct and right straight to the point.

And if Frank had lived I'd be a Frank Zappa Michael Moore Liberal Democrat right now. Hell, Al Gore is a Zappa Fan!

-90% Jimmy

[LWolf]

97. I guess that would be me, although I've never thought of myself in those terms.

:kick:

[eleny]

98. So many familiar names postng here

I enjoyed reading your thoughts. Feels "just right" to me.

K&R

[stevenleser]

103. Me too, kicked and recommended!

I think Michael Moore is great!

[ekwhite]

106. Don't forget that the Michael Moore left was against the Iraq war from the beginning N/T

[last1standing]

112. That doesn't make up for making money off of movies he's dedicated years to making.

So what if he helped inform us all of the corrupt policies of this administration and their oilthirsty rush to war.

So what if he gave us insights into the Hell that is our medical system.

So what if he's dedicated his life to standing up for the poor and non-influential.

You see he made a profit on his movies so he's just a damned effete liberal who's using us suckers and taking our money. As soon as he can't make enough doing this he'll just turn republican.

Honest! McCamy Taylor told me so!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5388333#5388891

So it must be true, right?







extreme:sarcasm:

[stillcool]

108. Count me in!

[GoneOffShore]

111. Count me in.

I've hated the crawl to the right that we've experienced with the DLC.

We need to get back to the left and not let the RW define us as being out of touch with the electorate.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

114. Big Michael Moore fan

The right wing hates him because he's so obviously NOT one of the "latte-sipping elitists." He's a guy from a blue collar family who never went to college.

[BobTheSubgenius]

116. A months-long, nation-wide poll here in Canada...

....named Tommy Douglas as the greatest Canadian ever. He is the person that brought the idea of universal health care to mainstream politics in Canada.

It's noteworthy that, while introducing many other MAJOR social engineering projects, he also managed to reduce the provincial debt by $20,000,000 - a major chunk of change in the 40's, especially in a province that has barely over 1,000,000 people today.

Here's to Michael Moore, Tommy Douglas and anyone like them!!

"My friends, watch out for the little fellow with an idea." - Tommy Douglas 1961.

[last1standing]

120. Is there anyone who could make a "Michael Moore Leftist" avatar?

I suck at that kind of thing but would love to have one.

Any volunteers? :)

[Duder]

122. I like Mike

[bpeale]

123. count me in as a member of Michael Moore Left too

[Kitty Herder]

124. You can count me in. But, seriously, Michael Moore Left? People are actually using that as

an insult here on DU?

If they think that's going to hurt very many feelings here, I'd like to think they're mistaken.

[I Have A Dream]

125. Count me in too!

:bounce:

[harun]

127. I am right there with yah (n/t)