Here's your chance to convince 1 Superdelegate who wants to hear from you.

[Bigleaf]

The Field announces the opportunity of the 2008 campaign…

Convince a Superdelegate!

Yes, that’s right, folks. Here at Dr. Al’s School for Gifted Commenters, we’ve got a live one: Debra Kozikowski - a.k.a. The Boss - is a living, breathing and uncommitted Superdelegate to the Democratic National Convention in August.

She’s been uncommitted ever since her candidate, John Edwards, left the contest.

Some minutes ago, on another thread, she posted this invitation right here on The Field:

“Here’s your challenge. Think about me wearing my super duper hat reading your posts. Convince me why I should deliver my superdelegate vote to Senator Obama or for the minority here who support Senator Clinton — you too can rise to the ocassion with civility and grace.”

Yee-ha! You, and only you, Field Hands, have the chance to succeed at what the candidates and their surrogates have so far not achieved: Putting forth your best cases for why Superdelegate Deb Kozikowski should cast her vote in August for your candidate.

Super-Deb has agreed to offer responses, when you succeed at inspiring them, directly to you, courtesy of the comments section on this thread.

http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=1007

[MichiganVote]

1. Simple. Seat Michigan or eat shit. Thank you for this public service announcement.

[sandnsea]

2. How?

:shrug:

How do you propose Michigan be seated?

[uberblonde]

7. On chairs.

More to the point, the new FL & MI members of the DNC standing committees will cut a deal to seat both Michigan and Florida.

Bye bye, 'Bama!

[MichiganVote]

8. I propose that the delegates be assigned on a percentage basis.

If the stupid, worthless republicans can handle this problem with nary an issue the Democrats surely can and should.

And NO, I won't accept an argument about it.

[sandnsea]

11. Be more specific

what percentage.

[MichiganVote]

13. 50% across the board. Just as the republicans have.

And since you are an avowed Obama supporter only, might as well end the discussion here.

[sandnsea]

14. 50/50 seems fair to me

I'm sure this whole debate would end tomorrow if the Clintons would agree to seat them 50/50.

[MichiganVote]

16. No, now sonny I meant 50% of whatever Clinton got and 50% of the uncommitted.

Anything else is a diss to the Mi. voters. Better yet...seat the same # of delegates for Mi. Fl. S. Carolina NH and Iowa.

[sandnsea]

20. But there was no campaign in your state

Obama wasn't even on the ballot. That's the kind of election they have in Russia and Iraq. You call that democracy?

And what in the world does SC, NH, and IA got to do with anything?

[MichiganVote]

22. You know sandnsea, you can write thoughtful things...I've read some of them

but if you Obama folks don't get it through your thick skulls that the people of Michigan are completely cynical and pissed off at just about every government official or wanna be candidate you're going to miss this,

My friends, I'm John McCain, and I'm so glad to be in the state that the Democrats say doesn't matter because of some rule....

As far as SC, NH and IA goes...you obviously have not been following this story if you don;t know and I'm not going to waste my time educating you.

[sandnsea]

24. I've never heard anything about SC, NH and IA

as it pertains to delegates in MI. I seriously don't know what you're talking about.

And if Hillary hadn't lied about the circumstances for her own benefit, FL & MI would have been seated for the winner of the nomination, which is what always happens. The loser releases all their delegates, and everybody at the convention votes for the nominee. This should have been no big deal at all, and the only reason anybody in FL or MI thinks it is a big deal is because they've been lied to.

[MichiganVote]

25. Lesson 1. Clinton has nothing to do with the seating of Mi delegates,

Lesson 2. Obama has nothing to do with seating Mi delegates

Lesson 3. The party portrays the conflict as one in which the candidates have to agree on the seating of delegates and in what manner==nothing in the rules makes that mandatory. Its Dean and Co. displacing the blame elsewhere. They made the mess, they can and should clean it up.

Lesson 4. The damage is done. No one took responsibility. Now think, in an average job in an average workplace what happens when no one takes responsibility? Thinking? Good. Scapegoat! Everybody plays scapegoat! And I mean everybody.

Lesson 5. Nobody cares about any of the candidates lying. This is Michigan. Lying on the part of public officials is practically a state mandated event. Get it? Michigan is more uniformly independent than it is a Red or Blue state. Sure you'll get the black votes out Detroit and a few in West Michigan. But Obama still has to speak to the entire state, including the Upper Penn. and Southwest Michigan. AND HE WASN'T EVEN ON THE BALLOT! Very bad advice there which you'll note that he corrected in Florida.

If this is too much reality for you, fine. But don't assume for a minute that the republicans are not going to have a fine old fucking field day if Michigan delegates are not at that convention, Clinton or no Clinton.

[sandnsea]

26. Oh, okay, let's play it that way

Lesson One. Your state broke the rules. End of lesson.

[minnesota_liberal]

27. True enough.

The rules were spelled out.

State Dem party in MI and FL Dems ignored them.

If delegates from MI and FL are seated without a revote or agreement, the rules mean nothing in 2012.

[MichiganVote]

28. Yawn...as I said... you don't know the whole story.

[sandnsea]

29. MI & FL looked easier for Hillary to win

against Edwards. Yes, I do know the whole story.

[cali]

31. you don't speak for all MI dems

you can only credibly speak for yourself.

[IsItJustMe]

23. That is the only fair way to do it. As a red neck once said, "getter dun".

[Spider Jerusalem]

3. That's a stupid fucking response.

That's so abysmally fucking stupid I can't really take in the breadth and depth of its stupidity. (Not to mention that it has fuck-all to do with the topic of the original post.)

[MichiganVote]

5. You sound upset.

[Spider Jerusalem]

6. No, more like boggled by the idiocy displayed here.

On edit: superdelegate endorsement has nothing to do with Michigan. Or with Florida. The idea that it does is so perplexingly. confusedly irrational that it's hard to see how anyone sane could respond to the original post in the manner you did. (But then sanity and logic are in precious short supply in this forum, anyway.)

[MichiganVote]

10. You're in Georgia, WTF do you care?

[Spider Jerusalem]

15. The DNC sanctions were known before your state party officials moved the primary.

Why aren't you mad at them? Misplaced anger is an amusing thing. (Especially so since you choose to express that misplaced anger on a thread whose topic has nothing to do with what you're ranting about.)

[MichiganVote]

18. I don't recall having to ask your permission for what I post. My apologies for

dismissing your Georgia state of mind.

[Spider Jerusalem]

19. It's kind of helpful if your posts are at least a response to the OP.

And not just some off-topic rant. Which is what your response was. Again: what you are saying has NOTHING AT ALL to do with the OP, and you are a moron if you do not understand this.

[MichiganVote]

21. :)

[GodlessBiker]

4. Young people have borne the brunt of this war. We should listen to what young people are ...

saying in this election. Young people, more so than any other group, have a moral claim to have their views heard.

[shifting_sands]

9. The Way Ahead

I am 65 years old and I went through the assassination of JFK, MLK, RFK, and those were the last inspirational leaders I saw in this country. I went through the Vietnam War and lost many friends, went through the Civil Rights and Women's Rights movement, again saw many people suffer for their belief that it was important to stand up for what was right and try to inspire a nation. I have watched the slow creeping apathy crawl across this country, the cynicism grabbing hold of all of us.

I have watched an administration dismantle the constitution, force our heads down in shame as we were told we would have to embrace a war based on lies and the torture they wanted to inflict, again based on lies.
I have watched our reputation plummet around the world and our country sold to the highest bidder and our infrastructure crumble because of the billions going out of this country. Our economy is in shambles and yet we bail out those who are stealing from us on a daily basis. The despair in this country is profound.

I don't know if Obama is the "right" person, because I have not lost my cynicism; but I do see the inspiration on the face of the young people in this country, I see their hope, I see them wanting to engage with their country and their government and that has been because of Obama. Maybe he is what everyone wants him to be but with the help of this country maybe he can be those things, have those qualities. But I have to vote for hope, because there has been so little since 1968 and Obama is the only one showing a face of hope. We've had the Clinton's and all the divisions that came with them, all the lies, all the jobs going out of this country, do we have to have them again? I hope not.

[FlyingSquirrel]

12. I didn't bother trying, myself... but I did post a link

to this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5374817

[mrJJ]

17. MI

October 11, 2007
Flashback: Does Michigan Matter to Clinton?

Hillary Clinton, during which she was asked about the Michigan primary:

"I personally did not think it made any difference, whether or not my name was on the ballot. You know, it's clear, in this election they're

having, it is not going to count for anything."

http://www.youtube.com/user/MDRUDGE

[minnesota_liberal]

30. If she isn't able to make up her own mind...

she doesn't deserve to be a superdelegate.

And, no, I'm not going to bother convincing her to vote my way.