Did any of anti-Hillary posters apologize for jumping to the conclusion that she

[readmoreoften]

was behind the exposure of Barack Obama's passport? I remember the knee-jerk reaction was that Clinton's campaign was behind it and we were privileged to a day or two's worth of threads that pronounced THIS IS THE LAST STRAW!!111!!! I'M FOR OBAMA NOW!!!1!!!!

Turned out that Clinton's passport had been accessed as well and that the entire affair had nothing to do with her. I'm just curious? Did this get cleared up or do we just jump from accusation to accusation around here?

Just curious. What's the latest scandal today? Bookbag-gate?

[Political Heretic]

1. Fortunately I didn't have to.

Because I didn't jump to that conclusion.

[readmoreoften]

13. I thank every poster on this board who doesn't jump to weird conclusions.

I'm really trying to get on board with Obama because I have a feeling he's going to be the nominee, but the hysterical hatred of Clinton is scaring me a little, to be honest. Not saying that I don't disagree with 50% of what she does. But I'd probably disagree with 45-55% of what Obama does as well and this incessant freaking out smells like Rove. Actually, I'm not able to tell the difference between the Rovians and Dem supporters anymore. :crazy:

[Political Heretic]

37. I honestly thought it was going to get traced back to the RNC or W.

[Mooney]

15. Neither did I.

I immediately assumed it was the Bushies.

[Blondiegrrl]

21. Neither did I.

I wanted to wait until I had all the facts. :toast:

[LeftCoast]

61. Your sig line is great!

:thumbsup:

[OzarkDem]

2. They have a new faux scandal every day

Deja vu all over again. :-)

[jillan]

3. There are so many lies about Hillary, that I can't keep up anymore.

What was bad about that one was that certain people were spewing it on cable news.

[Rosemary2205]

10. Hillary attracts lies like dryers attract socks

someday someone will look under one of her dress shields and a while pile will fall out.

Unfortuately, it makes it that much harder to believe her even when she tells the truth, and that much easier to believe the lies told about her by other people. She's the "boy who cried wolf".

[dchill]

70. It's the magnetic principle.

Like attracts like.

[SeattleGirl]

4. No apology from me, because I did not jump to that conclusion.

In fact, I thought it was a pretty lame claim by the people who DID say it.

[Maddy McCall]

7. You have been good to speak up against the crazier element.

[Maddy McCall]

5. They have irrational hatred for Hillary, so they try to find anything they can...

to warp and bend to fit that hatred.

Yes, even Bookbaggate.

[Kool Kitty]

8. So I just signed in here tonight and I am kinda

afraid to ask, but what is "Bookbaggate"?

[jillan]

11. Hillary made a speech today about when she heard that MLK was assasinated

she was so upset that she threw her bookbag down.
And she is being called a liar for that remark. :crazy:

[Kool Kitty]

12. Jesus. Nit-picking garbage.

[Clintonista2]

42. The best part is that they are trying to research whether or not bookbags existed during that period

:rofl::rofl::rofl:


You have to wonder what these people are like in real life :rofl:

[Kool Kitty]

46. They sure did. I carried one.

[rodeodance]

36. I saw those stupid hate-fulled threads--passed them by.

[BigBearJohn]

60. It smacks of tribalism. I can't believe the hatred. You'd think she was Hitler.

[roguevalley]

68. you don't meed to look. things seem to find her.

[parasim]

6. I didn't think that way...

...but then again, I'm not an anti-Hillary poster, I'm just a pro-Obama poster, so I guess your post wasn't directed towards me. But, yeah, I think it would be great to see some apologies around here every now and again.

[DemGa]

9. They are lost in a haze of Hillary hate and "hope and change"

What a bizarre and fraudulent movement with which they are aligned. Right or wrong have no meaning -- just the attack.

[SeattleGirl]

18. Not everyone who supports Obama is filled with "Hilary hate."

Please put your broad brush away.

[TahitiNut]

23. Likewise, not everyone disgusted with Hillary is a fan of Obama.

Hillary has earned my LOW opinion of her. It's not "hate" - it's disgust. Obama seems to have a somewhat higher sense of integrity. The differences in their various campaign positions is barely discernable or of much import.

I remain a Kucinich supporter. :shrug: He EARNED it.

[DemGa]

29. Enough to form a persistent theme

And BO set that tone early on, running on Hillary's right-wing created negatives. How odd, a movement of "hope and change" -- it's philosophical roots found in hate and slander.

[SeattleGirl]

33. Not sure where you're getting that.

I don't see it at all.

And no, I haven't had any Kool Aide for years and years.

[DemGa]

44. Hillary is "polarizing, divisive, will unite the opposition"

Those are all easily verifiable -- BO sought early on to profit from the right-wing attacks of the nineties. Hence, the movement is rooted in the effects of those attacks: slander -- "Hillary hate."

Much more slander would follow of course, i.e., "calculating, dishonest, do anything to win", and race-baiting. To name a few.

Same stuff you see here every day -- it comes from BO and his campaign.

[SeattleGirl]

45. I have seen plenty of stuff like that from some people who support

Hilary Clinton.

Not everything nasty going on is a wholly owned subsidiary of Barack Obama.

[CatnHat]

58. Yep, and "they"

used to call Bill Clinton slick. Obama out-slicks Bill Clinton every day of the week. Obama is using the right wing in more than just attacking Hillary Clinton, his pandering for cross over votes is just disgusting. Ronald Reagan was no friend of the democratic party nor is elder Bush.

[springhill]

54. Oh brother............

[Political Heretic]

40. Just because I support Obama does not mean that I "hate" Clinton.

Can we try not to be as stupidly sweeping as ignorant freeper conservatives please?

I am deeply, deeply angered and hurt by the campaign Clinton has chosen to run this year. I think if a historian were to do a biography of Clinton's life and political career, this last year and this campaign would go down as one of the low points of her life.

But that doesn't mean that Clinton has never done anything good in her life or as Senator. Either way, it isn't personal.

[readmoreoften]

52. I vouch that you're one of the good ones. Not all Obama supporters are responsible for negativity.

There are good and bad on both sides.

[Raejeanowl]

14. I'm Waiting For The Tax Return Apologies

And I'm not holding my breath. Well, now they've been released and the the non-disclosure is a dead horse. Anyone care to at least revise their wild theories and predictions about how this would NEVER happen, or what extremes Clinton would go to in avoiding it?

[Jed Dilligan]

30. Weren't $18 million still unaccounted for?

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[OzarkDem]

25. And Obama supporters can only speak porn

They can't seem to engage in political discourse without using vulgar and disgusting language. Says something about the guy they're supporting, doesn't it?

[Forkboy]

17. Both sides could spend a year apologizing for their idiotic kneejerk reactions.

Both sides are like Pavlov's dogs, only not as lovable.

[readmoreoften]

32. I think that was a pretty egregious accusation, though. It was also utterly unfounded.

I do think that Hillary supporters make mountains out of molehills sometimes. Obama's 'smoking' was one thing that irritated me awhile back. I think both sides have been weird about endorsements--I even jumped on that bandwagon until I realized that these were sabotage endorsements on both sides.

But it was just really disturbing to me that people thought that she would encourage someone to violate the law for the purpose of...what? It was so much more likely that bored employees just said "hey let's see what's on the candidate's passports!" I also don't think that Clinton's supporters automatically blame Obama's campaign for every little wrong. They usually blame the GOP. I would guess that the GOP is behind about 98% of all of this nonsense.

[Forkboy]

39. Each side a fanatical bunch of groupies who bite at anything.

The passport thing was just one of many. Each day seems to bring a new "outrage". I really have no use for the people who see the trouble coming from just one side of the equation here. And I wish both sides had more people that were willing to stand up to their own side when they do shit like this.

I suspect I'll be waiting a long time for that to happen on a regular basis.

[Kool Kitty]

19. I knew from the beginning that the passport fuck-up

was Bush related and said so. There's too much jumping on every little gaff and twist of word. Jesus Christ, we have to win this election in the fall. WE HAVE TO. We have to keep our "eyes on the prize" and work together or we get McCain. Think about that for a while and see if you can get to sleep tonight. The thought of him taking the oath next January is truly terrifying.

[stillcool]

20. I didn't know anything 'turned out' yet...

as far as I know Clinton's passport was accessed by a trainee, and was discovered immediately..as the trainee was being supervised. McCain's and Obama's passports were accessed later, and in Obama's case multiple times, by different employees who worked for a different corporation. Did something else happen?

[readmoreoften]

24. I believe Richardson's was accessed as well.

There is no motive or evidence that leads to this. Why would anything have to 'turn out'? Please be reasonable.

[stillcool]

73. I believe it would be 'reasonable'..

to expect that those who accessed the files be questioned to find out why they were accessed and who if anyone the information was passed on to. Accessing files several times (tripping alarms) requires me to reasonably suspect that there was 'motive', and of course there is 'evidence' that this was done.

[lligrd]

27. Exactly. We Still Don't Know What Happened

and something still smells.

[rodeodance]

43. yes, we still don't know-and keith O show lead the way and many DU

fans jumped on the bandwagon claiming hillary was behind
the BO access.

in fact good old KO--had an hour Special edition.--thru night.

Then Fri night--silence--not even--gee we made a mistake!!

And Bo fans wonder why many of us are upset with KO.

[lligrd]

48. And Still Something Smells... nt

[frogcycle]

31. you're spot-on

there was 24 hours of hoo-hah over the breach of BHO data; then they came out with the bs cover story that it had happened to all three and the press slunk back to their corners like good little doggies

the HRC incident was months earlier and different circumstances - but yet accepted as valid cover

and mccains was the same day as the last obama one that triggered the reprt - how conVEnient

[Aussie leftie]

22. K & R

[ampad]

26. Nope not going to apologize for shit

I'm not going to validate whatever emotion you need validated. We can circle the wagon and I could ask you to apologize for Rezko among other things but I will not because it is stupid and childish. Not every Obama supporter thought Hillary had anything to do with the passport gaft. Until there is a full investigation I'm not going to say nay or yay on who is responsible.

As far as the tax returns. Well it is Friday and the digging has just begun. I'm not sure what the book bag issue is all about but if something came out of Hillary's mouth about a book bag then I'm gonna assume that it is a lie considering she isn't keen on telling the truth.

[readmoreoften]

41. Hey knock yourself out. Keep assuming things. It's an excellent policy.

I figured I'd be nice and tell you what you want to hear to "validate whatever emotions you need validated."

Frankly I just wish you people would stop being such an embarrassment to Barack Obama.

[Auntie Bush]

71. That is the stupidest, irrational, derogatory, ridiculous, bias, kool-aid drinking response

I've ever heard/seen! :crazy: Keep up the good work for turning Hillary supporters toward McCain. (ie won't vote for Obama) Good job...well done!

"I'm not sure what the book bag issue is all about but if something came out of Hillary's mouth about a book bag then I'm gonna assume that it is a lie considering she isn't keen on telling the truth."

Oh God! You and "your" kind make me sick. :puke: Thank God all Obama supporters don't think like you!

[Life Long Dem]

28. And your just a trouble maker that doesn't know what they are talking about.

[readmoreoften]

34. Oh really. Do you have some information that can enlighten us all?

[Life Long Dem]

38. It's not over.

So I don't know how you would know the "entire affair had nothing to do with her." as you put it. Investigations will take place. Like I said, your starting trouble. Had a few too many tonight there smart one?

[readmoreoften]

47. What is your evidence that this would even have anything to do with Clinton?

Other burning questions that have not been 'fully investigated':

*It is also possible that she is responsible for Kennedy's assassination, but I haven't been presented with any evidence that would lead me to conclude that it's a reasonable accusation.
*How do we know that she is not actually responsible for the Drudge Report and that all the years of Clinton bashing are actually a crafty ploy for sympathy to rally the base?
*How do we know that she isn't responsible for global warming?
*For that matter, a cop was murdered in my town last year. She hasn't been cleared on that either.

[Life Long Dem]

49. I don't have anything. That's why I keep saying an investigation is happening.

And this just in. Now get off my back. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5391817

[readmoreoften]

51. I'm not on your back. You're the one who responded to my post.

There is absolutely nothing in that thread that indicates that they are investigating Clinton or that she is any less of a victim of the breach than Obama.

[rodeodance]

35. oh yeah--name-calling--cause you don't like the message.

[dailykoff]

50. Who had a motive? Who used the info in a "challenge"? Who's the liar?

"Look I'm a victim too!" isn't exactly a convincing defense coming from Sybil.

[TML]

53. Nothing to apologize for

I never jumped to that conclusion.

[Raine]

55. I didn't

I KNEW that Hillary had nothing to do with it. I figured right from the start that it was the MISadministration. x(

[LTR]

56. Apologize to who? You?

Yeah, dream on.

:eyes:

[MonkeyFunk]

57. They never apologize for any of their other lies

why should this one be any different?

[LaurenG]

59. Ah yes - and some of us even mentioned that it was wrong to accuse her

to start with. So some of us have no need to apologize to start with.

[cooolandrew]

62. Didn't feel it was them only the current administration would have those powers.

[JoFerret]

63. These people must be fickle

they keep jumping like fleas.

The dishonesty (or is naivety or wishful thinking?) is astounding.

As if it matters on this board. No one is going to be swayed by any others opinions anyway. It's just for venting.

[Unbowed]

64. There is a huge difference between accusing someone and saying...

you wouldn't put it past them.

Hillary's own words and behavior make her subject to scrutiny.

However, it is foolish to automatically assume that she's behind any and all mischief going on during this election cycle. It is also foolish to try to pin something on your opponent before all the facts are in.

This foolishness took place on both sides.

Rather than mutual apologies, it would be smarter for all parties to let this serve as a reminder to keep cooler heads about "breaking" stories.

[Danger Mouse]

65. I didn't assume she was behind it. Figured that Bush was the culprit.

:shrug:

[rodeodance]

66. K and R

[Bonobo]

67. I never said, never even thought it for a second. Almost no one did.

[dansolo]

69. We still don't know what happened there

There is still the matter of the first two beaches, and the supervisor who resigned between the second and third breach.

[pathansen]

72. K&R

[EFerrari]

74. If the Clintons weren't so connected to insiders

no one would ever have had to raise the question.

[Whisp]

75. if the Hsu fits, wear it.

I can claim Hillary is lieing or cheating 100% of the time and I'll be way more right than wrong.