Obama's National Support Softens . . Peak Has Passed

[CatnHat]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/04/us/politics/04campaign.html

April 4, 2008
Obama’s Support Softens in Poll, Suggesting a Peak Has Passed

By ADAM NAGOURNEY and MEGAN THEE

WASHINGTON — Senator Barack Obama’s support among Democrats nationally has softened over the last month, particularly among men and upper-income voters, as voters have taken a slightly less positive view of him than they did after his burst of victories in February, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.
The survey suggests that Mr. Obama, Democrat of Illinois, may have been at something of a peak in February, propelled by a string of primary and caucus victories over Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York, and that perceptions of him are settling down.

Mr. Obama’s favorability rating among Democratic primary voters has dropped seven percentage points, to 62 percent, since the last Times/CBS News survey, in late February. While that figure is by any measure high, the decline came in a month during which he endured withering attacks from Mrs. Clinton and responded to reports that his former pastor had made politically inflammatory statements from his church’s pulpit in Chicago. . . . (more)

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Looks like Obama may not be as electable as some may think.

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[Maddy McCall]

3. Dude, chill on the personal attacks.

Jeez.

[emilyg]

4. Why the attack?

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[anonymous171]

1. They're talking about his favorability ratings. That does not signify a peak.

[CatnHat]

2. Try reading the

whole article in the NY Times.

[KittyWampus]

22. Try posting the whole TITLE. Or relevant FACTS. You are desperate. Because the article still has

Obama at 62 and says quite clearly that's high.

And as usual for the NYTimes rag, proves the opposite of what the title says anyway.

[JoFerret]

26. Obama’s Support Softens in Poll, Suggesting a Peak Has Passed

There - now you have the WHOLE title.
Feel better?

I hope you will apply this same stringent standard to pro-Obama posts.
Any chance of that happening sometime soon? h

[rodeodance]

41. are you the Title police--??? ha ha

[roguevalley]

43. 62% is twice as high as hillary. nice try.

[emilyg]

5. Thanks for posting.

[AtomicKitten]

7. Funny that Pennsylvania, Indiana, and No. Carolina didn't seem to get the memo.

FREE RANDI RHODES

[rug]

23. He's losing 2 out of 3.

[AtomicKitten]

29. He's holding her margins waaaaaay down to the point that she has virtually no chance of prevailing

But, by all means, keep the hope alive until it completely collapses into a black hole of bitterness.

[rug]

32. Let me see. You concede he's losing 2 of 3 but you say the loss is small.

And you call me bitter?

Here, put this in your cereal.

[AtomicKitten]

35. Hey, I'm thrilled. He's holding her down in pledged delegates. She can't win.

[rug]

36. I think I'll wait for the next several million votes to be cast.

[AtomicKitten]

38. Procrastinating dealing with the inevitable fuels bitterness in a never-ending cycle.

bon appetit

[lligrd]

8. Yet, He Is Still Beating Hillary

What does that say about her being electable?

[jerryster]

18. Month old surveyusa poll has either beating McCain

Survey was from 3/6/08. I tried to find a more recent one from them, but no luck. Anyway, what I focused on were 7 states. Here's how surveyusa broke them down.

Against Obama, McCain wins FL,IN,NJ,PA,TX. Obama wins MI and OH.

Against Clinton, McCain wins IN,MI,Tx. She wins FL,NJ,PA,OH.

The good news in this is that McCain loses OH and no Republican can win without it. The not so good news is McCain taking FL, NJ and PA against Obama.

Still, I hope the numbers continue to track this way. I remain committed to the Democratic nominee, no matter who it may be.

[Forkboy]

9. Why did you leave out the "suggesting" part?

Nevermind, I already know.

[DerekJ]

10. Can't even put the article title without editing it!!!

Tells me a lot about your intellectual honesty.

[JoFerret]

17. And of course you will apply the same standard

...to those who post articles favorable to Obama.

I look forward to your contribution to "intellectual honesty".

Please check out the top twenty pro-Obama posts and point out the dishonesty of the changed article title WHENEVER it occurs. And please do so with the same tone.

Then YOU at least will have earned the the label of being intellectually honest. If you do not you will have earned the title "petty minded hypocritical divisive partisan".

[loveangelc]

12. what are Hillary's approval ratings??????????????????

[mikekohr]

13. Still, the events of the last month do not appear to have fundamentally altered the race for the par

or provided what Mrs. Clinton’s campaign has been seeking: evidence of a collapse in Mr. Obama’s standing or an overwhelming preference voiced for Mrs. Clinton by Democratic voters in polls, developments that could be used to persuade uncommitted superdelegates to sign on with her."

"And 74 percent of Democrats said Mr. Obama would be the kind of candidate who would unite the nation; 60 percent said the same of Mrs. Clinton."



The above quotes are taken directly from the article quoted. This "softening," reflects the height of the short term damage done by the Rev Wright controversy and has not yet picked up on the far more damaging and long term effects of "Sniper Gate."

mike kohr

[Political Heretic]

14. "While that figure is by any measure high..." and somehow you get "he's not electable"

okay.

[intaglio]

15. Ahh yes

check this thread http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5380590

[JoFerret]

16. It was an interesting article

Definitely worth reading. I would like to believe it but the evidence was softish.

[kentuck]

19. I do believe that the voters in PA have mostly made up their minds...

already. About who they plan on voting for. That means that the last polls will probably be the most accurate? The polls we will see just before the primary will most likely be just for propaganda purposes - not that these recent polls are not.

[bowens43]

20. The polls and all of the indicators say otherwise.

Hillary is finished. Obama is the nominee.

[DemVet]

21. A National case of Buyer's Remorse.

[JoFerret]

25. I fear it will be

On a big scale.

Sooner or later.

[DemVet]

44. They'll learn....the hard way.

[JoFerret]

45. We are lucky in that the public

is really sour on Bush. And McCain has serious vulnerabilities. That may be enough to win the WH if BO is the nominee. The buyers remorse for many may emerge in the next four years. Not because they voted dem but because they did not vote for the best dem. But...who knows. It is not something I want to have happen.

[chascarrillo]

61. And you call yourself a Democrat. Get out of here.

Go away. You aren't wanted.

[Arugula Latte]

49. So if it's Buyer's Remorse, why is Hillary sinking and sinking? nt

[Mooney]

24. Nice cherry picking.

From the same article:

"Still, the events of the last month do not appear to have fundamentally altered the race for the party’s nomination or provided what Mrs. Clinton’s campaign has been seeking: evidence of a collapse in Mr. Obama’s standing or an overwhelming preference voiced for Mrs. Clinton by Democratic voters in polls, developments that could be used to persuade uncommitted superdelegates to sign on with her."

This article could just as easily be called "Hillary Clinton Still In The Shits."

[youknowmenotdlc]

27. "Only" 62 % Favorability rating

OMG this is series!!!!!!

[DrFunkenstein]

63. We Better Get Clinton With Her 37% Positive Rating!!! (wait until Obama's convention speech bounce)

The nation's eyes will be on Obama, and he will hit a home run.

[goldcanyonaz]

28. The ABC crowd succeeds in getting Clinton out only to start working on knocking Obama out in the GE.

[Vinca]

30. That's the MSM meme o' the day.

I've got breaking news: the cult is sticking with Obama. He can only do better. How else would you explain $40 million in fund raising?

[tekisui]

31. Shit, people have been saying he "peaked" since December.

Latest Polls suggest otherwise.

[Buzz Clik]

33. Another short-timer with no profile is "casting doubt" on Obama.

Welcome to the very, very big club, Newb.

[crankychatter]

34. dream on

:-)

[Willo]

37. PA is going to be very interesting

http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/
Clinton's Average Lead in Two Latest Released PA Polls: 9.5% But You Must Read Between The Lines
4/4/08

Democratic Candidate PA PA
Pollster MCall SV
Date 3/27-4/2 3/28-30
Hillary Clinton 49% 49%
Barack Obama 38% 41%
Other(vol.) 13% 10%
http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/polls/Pennsylvania-March-2008.html

Here are two fresh polls that we've received this afternoon and are "releasing" out on our website. We make a clear distinction between "released" and "conducted" because the average lead that Clinton holds in these two polls are 9.5% but that would give you a very false sense of reality. Obama is much closer than that right now.

Here is why these two polls could mislead you: the dates the polls were conducted! The middle date of these polls were last month despite the fact that many pollsters have surveyed this state much more recently. And in polls, more weight has to be given to most freshest of polls. So nibble on that as you look into the details of these polls.

[undeterred]

39. Well, men peak and then they go soft-

thats to be expected.

[thevoiceofreason]

40. Rass says up 10% as of today - YEA FOR SOFTENING!

[rodeodance]

42. K and REC

[TheDonkey]

46. Sorry to dissapoint but Hillary still isn't winning.

[catgirl]

47. Obama has a solid 10 pt lead over Clinton nationally

The highest yet and it is holding steady.

[JoFerret]

48. So why all the worry and hostility among Obama folk

sore winners?
or what?

[Lilith Velkor]

50. Sore winners

Indeed.

[JoFerret]

51. I wondered that at

I think it was the state of the union where BO didn't shake hands. Could have been just an accident or whatever but it shouted "sore winner' to me.

[Lilith Velkor]

52. I don't think that was intentional

Much ado about nothing, IMFO.

I was just referring to the wailing and teeth-gnashing of his followers, which is at odds with their contention that he has already won.

[JoFerret]

54. You are probably right on that

...gave a bad vibe nonetheless.

But he does seem a bit of a sore winner.
So many of his supporters are. That is for sure.

[catgirl]

56. Happy winners

How silly. Who has ever heard of "sore winners"? LOL.

[Lilith Velkor]

58. Bullshit

The amount of butthurt from Obama fans has reached epic proportions on this site, and Kos is worse.

It reminds me of the Republicans in 2004. They won everything, but you wouldn't know it because they kept screeching and whining at the fact that the Democrats continued to exist.

[catgirl]

59. You must be keeping a blind eye to the Clinton supporters here

and it's the posters that keep bringing it up, who are making things worse by
pitting supporters from each side against each other.

How do you know these attackers aren't trolls? I think they are.

[Lilith Velkor]

60. Good point

Maybe it's Obamania - or maybe it's 4chan.

[catgirl]

55. I don't see any "worry and hostility" amongst Obama supporters at all (nt)

[izzybeans]

53. A day after he had his biggest lead in Rasmussen.

Someone needs to check their work.

[Political Heretic]

57. BZZZZT WRONG. Obama's national lead over Clinton WIDENS to LARGEST EVER.

I'll go find the link, even though its been posted all over LBN and GDP

EDIT - here's one: http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/04/rasmussen-track.html

EDIT2 - Obama's National Lead Biggest Ever, Clinton's Numbers Lowest Ever & Obama Opens Huge Lead in North Carolina
http://www.progressivedailybeacon.com/?p=634

[11 Bravo]

62. Heretic! You must burn!