CNN Showing the Hillary "Hospital" Speech Clip RIGHT NOW

[NashVegas]

And she directly attributes the story to the sheriff who told her about the alleged incident.

[TML]

1. And according to the New York Times

She got her facts wrong again. Lie!

[NashVegas]

4. She Was Relaying An Incident As It Was Told To Her

And it happens to have been good campaign trail fodder, if health care is an important issue to voters.

[TML]

8. And it happens to be another lie

End of story.

[jefferson_dem]

28. And here we go. Yet another item that "doesn't count."

Her pitiful fabricated annecdotes...

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

33. Times: "Oops. Another Clinton Story Turns Out To Be Not So True"

Oops. Another Clinton Story Turns Out To Be Not So True
Time. April 5, 2008

....What is astounding here is that for all the research that the Clinton campaign has done, scouring and scrubbing the opposition, they didn't put a bit more effort into looking at what their own candidate is saying.

http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/04/oops_another_clinton_story_tur.html

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

30. using a false story can hurt an impt issue like Health Care

since the deceased DID have insurance.

"But hospital administrators said Friday that Ms. Bachtel was under the care of an obstetrics practice affiliated with the hospital, that she was never refused treatment and that she was, in fact, insured."

[Crunchy Frog]

37. There's plenty of fully verified horror stories out there.

I don't see why she couldn't use one of those instead. Can't people see how this sort of thing discredits not only her candidacy, but the entire campaign for health care reform in this country?

[ORDem]

44. Yeah, that's what makes this particularly sad. She could've just watched Sicko

and referenced that!

:eyes:

[quantass]

50. .

[papau]

10. New York times says the company spokesperson denies - so now police are liars?

[TML]

11. No

Hillary lied.

[papau]

14. below - the family started the story - and no one has interviewed them

the O’Bleness health care system treated her, both at the hospital and at the affiliated River Rose Obstetrics and Gynecology practice, Ms. Weiss said.

The hospital would not provide details about the woman’s case, citing privacy concerns; she died two weeks after the stillbirth at a medical center in Columbus.

[TML]

16. Hillary knowingly lied

If she didn't have the sources checked, she should NOT have gone "live" with the story in front of her supporters and live cameras. She should have known better.

Or as we like to say nowadays, that's a misjudgment.

[NashVegas]

18. Hillary Knowingly Lied, Obama Misspeaks!

When he says his parents married because of the Selma March - four years after he was born!

[TML]

That's old news

And if this is all you've got, then Hillary is leading in lies told to the press 2-1.

As far as I know. :-)

[pdxmom]

12. I work for a criminal defense attorney, so yes, some of them really do

lie and embellish. I see it almost daily, from local deputies to federal agents.

[papau]

15. The family of the dead women is the source - so we now judge that they are liars?

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

26. "Deputy Holman knew Ms. Bachtel’s story only secondhand"

maybe he "mis-remembered" it?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/05/us/politics/05woman.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&ref=politics&adxnnlx=1207422156-R+4g/ynAbSKtX1NcSjwAfg

[pdxmom]

34. No, Clinton's source was the deputy. He heard it from other family

members. The deputy is the source for Clinton's story, not the family.

[Crunchy Frog]

38. Did you ever play the game "telephone" when you were a kid?

[Hepburn]

20. Boy, isn't that the truth....

...IMO, some of the biggest liars around are DAs and LE.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

27. NY Times: "Ms. Bachtel’s relatives did not return phone calls Friday."

so it sounds like the NY Times tried to do more vetting of the story..

[OzarkDem]

40. Hospital has a convenient escape clause

Patient confidentiality. They are free to lie as much as they want about this case, and no one can prove them wrong because the patient's medical files are confidential.

Perhaps those intrepid reporters need to talk to the woman's family, friends and co-workers as well as law enforcement and EMT's who were involved to get the real story behind this case.

[OzarkDem]

39. Got proof?

I don't think so.

[sandnsea]

2. If somebody thinks they won't be seen,

or knows because it's happened before - the results are the same. I'd like to hear from the sheriff before I decide.

[NashVegas]

6. Here's What the Sheriff Said

The sheriff’s deputy, Bryan Holman, had played host to Mrs. Clinton in his home before the Ohio primary. Deputy Holman said in a telephone interview that a conversation about health care led him to relate the story of Ms. Bachtel. He never mentioned the name of the hospital that supposedly turned her away because he did not know it, he said.

Deputy Holman knew Ms. Bachtel’s story only secondhand, having learned it from close relatives of the woman. Ms. Bachtel’s relatives did not return phone calls Friday.

As Deputy Holman understood it, Ms. Bachtel had died of complications from a stillbirth after being turned away by a local hospital for her failure to pay $100 upfront.

“I mentioned this story to Senator Clinton, and she apparently took to it and liked it,” Deputy Holman said, “and one of her aides said she’d be using it at some rallies.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/05/us/politics/05woman.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&ref=politics&adxnnlx=1207404122-Y9ttQCFIkTU3HqiZec1SKw


Something else about this story I find fascinating: according to the NYT, Clinton never names the woman or the hospital, yet, this hospital has voluntarily identified itself and the woman. It reminds me of the old farm joke whose punchline goes, "if that sheep says anything about me, it's a damned lie."

[sandnsea]

13. Yeah, but even if she wasn't technically turned away

if you know you will be turned away if you don't have the money, it amounts to the same thing. So the hospital can say they didn't turn the woman away, but that might only be because the woman knew the policy of turning people away. Same result.

[NashVegas]

19. The Worst Thing That Could Be Said

Is she was told a story that perfectly dovetailed with one of her campaign's narratives, and she chose to use it without verifying it.

[sandnsea]

21. The ironical thing to me

is that the story might end up portraying exactly why we have to be careful about mandates.

If the story ends up being what it sounds like, the girl had insurance but not the co-pay, then it shows why mandated insurance isn't enough. All a mandate will do is put more money in the pocket of the insurance companies, unless there is serious insurance reform BEFORE any mandate.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

25. " she was, in fact, insured" says in the NY Times article

I wish people would read the NY Times article on this:

The woman, Trina Bachtel, did die last August, two weeks after her baby boy was stillborn at O’Bleness Memorial Hospital in Athens, Ohio. But hospital administrators said Friday that Ms. Bachtel was under the care of an obstetrics practice affiliated with the hospital, that she was never refused treatment and that she was, in fact, insured.

“We implore the Clinton campaign to immediately desist from repeating this story,” said Rick Castrop, chief executive officer of the O’Bleness Health System.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/05/us/politics/05woman.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&ref=politics&adxnnlx=1207422156-R+4g/ynAbSKtX1NcSjwAfg


Maybe there's more to the story, but number 1 - the woman DID have insurance,
according to the hospital spokesman.

[sandnsea]

29. So she must not have had the $100 co-pay

to go to the emergency room when she got worse, or waited too long, and died. That seems to me the logical place the remarks about the $100 came from. I really hope we get to the bottom of the real story here.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

31. "she was never refused treatment "

we truly don't know what happened, except for that the hospital spokesman
has asked the Clinton campaign to quit repeating the story because it is not true.

The NY Times article goes on to detail that.

We don't have the family's account yet since they didn't return the NY Times reporters' calls.

[sandnsea]

36. I hope we get the family's account

because my point is that if it's the hospital's policy to refuse treatment, and the girl knew that, then it amounts to the same thing. Not enough for Hillary to repeat the story, but certainly enough to wake America up to the reality that insurance won't solve everything.

[OzarkDem]

42. The hospital apparently has something to hide

and they're trying to victimize Clinton to protect themselves from a lawsuit.

Keep in mind the Ohio governor is a Clinton supporter.

[bilgewaterbill]

3. I guess she wasn't quite completely vetted.

[C_U_L8R]

5. Blaming the sheriff

that's pretty low.

[ampad]

9. Exactly

Besides I thought this was a non story. Why is this all of a sudden all over DU, what are Clinton supporters so worried about? I could care less about yet another lie from Clinton. It isn't like I put too much stock in her credibility anymore. I'm sure quite a few feel the same way after that sniper mess.

[TexanDem]

7. Think of damage could be done if pres spreads rumors

Dear lord -- stop defending this b.s. She is running for the highest office-- leader of the freakin' real world -- not a high school class pres. This is minor in itself, but she is held to a higher standard and must KNOW what she says is factual! I would imagine she is told lots of "stories" as she campaigns around the country.

[NashVegas]

17. You Mean Like "WMD" Rumors?

Obama has been caught twice telling stories about his parents which were easily proven false, and then there're the unbelievable assertions of the past year that he had no idea - no idea - his pastor of 20 years was making sermons like the "God damn America."

And yet, DUers are subjected to the daily and almost hourly inundation of "Hillary LIES" threads.

Hillary lies and Obama "misspeaks."

Stop the double standards!

[Botany]

22. Stop it!

This has nothing to do w/ Obama .... so quit trying to change the subject.

She was lying or giving out bad information ... take your pick.

[Ichingcarpenter]

23. The Sheriff of Nottingham said that Hillary got the story wrong

from Robin Hood because he lost the story in his book bag as he was
dogging arrows on the runway, since she was always a Yankee's fan, Chelsea was running
for cover when the Trade Towers were going down as Hillary was climbing
Everest in her Cubs baseball cap with Sir Edmund, who she is named after.

[TexanDem]

24. That' s funny! Well said! :))

[Ichingcarpenter]

32. A little sloppy, I forgot to include Rocky and Paul Revere

I'm starting to see a Pecos Hill story in this that we can tell our grand kids one day.

[TexanDem]

41. Sounds like a YouTube wating to happen! :)

Wasn't it Paulette Revere? She's so bad - it is turning into comedy, if it weren't so serious.

[OzarkDem]

45. How revealing of Obama supporters depravity

when they make jokes about the tragic death of a woman and her unborn child.

[Crunchy Frog]

51. The joke was about Hillary, not about this unfortunate woman and her baby.

I guess Hillary supporters have difficulty comprehending the English language.

[JBoy]

35. BREAKING - Clinton releases shortlist for CIA Director

[ORDem]

43. Oh man, this is going to be the nail in the coffin. She can't laugh this one off so easily.

Her numbers started dropping right after the Tuzla lie was exposed and this will seal the deal on her perceived honesty. I don't understand why she would be so stupid. I mean people who weren't already rabid Clinton supporters were already primed by Bill's lies while in office, so this kind of crap just crystallizes the Clintons-are-liars meme.

I really wish she'd not gone down this way. It doesn't help anyone. We still need her fighting in the Senate.

:dem:

[quantass]

46. BAD NEWS: It shows once again a consistent pattern of LIES by Hilary -- how can trust be built?!?

its not that she says she hear the story through the sheriff but that she blatantly lied about the story to her benefit...no doubt the press will go nutz and even interview the sheriff to see if he *chuckle* LIED about what he told Hilary and he will say she is making it up which now sinks her in a seirous hhole

[quantass]

47. Ho NO!

[quantass]

48. /

[quantass]

49. k&r