Hillary on CNN just now -

[cliffordu]

Talking about MLK -

"He was in Memphis to support the sanitation workers who were being denied their rights - and those two who had been killed by garbage, who died in a cascade of garbage...."


A cascade of garbage......

:rofl:


Her inflection and tone were perfect.......

[NewHampshireDem]

1. Please, make her stop.

I've always thought Bush was so prone to malapropisms because he's too stupid to understand the lines being fed to him. Now she's coming across in the same way. She just needs to stop while she has any respect left. :sigh:

[TML]

2. LOL

That sounds like what we hear coming from her mouth at every stump speech. Every day, there's a new lie we have to talk about in GD Primaries.

[Cali_Democrat]

3. Did she really say this?

It sounds so strange.

[cliffordu]

4. Yes, she really did. I HOPE it's on YOUTUBE soon.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

5. do you think that maybe her campaign is really a satire?

Like maybe Mark Penn is having her act this way on purpose?

To help McCain maybe?

Sheesh!

[CoffeeCat]

20. Mark Penn is a PR flack...

...and he's been in the business for decades.

PR writing has its own cadence and the vocabulary is more "cutting-edge" and creative.

It seems obvious (to me anyway) that Penn wrote that.

It's hard to step out of PR-writing mode, once you've been in that place for years.

I think the Clinton machine needs some new batteries.

[Cooley Hurd]

6. If anyone knows about cascading garbage...

...it's Mark Penn.:D

[cliffordu]

7. ROFLMAO

:rofl:

[Unsane]

8. wtf roflmao

[JackORoses]

9. I saw a werewolf drinking a pina colada, and her inflection and tone were perfect

She will use any tale of woe in her act. To show just how deeply she cares...

They don't even have to be factual, just heart-wrenching.

[Sparkly]

10. I think they were crushed to death.

I don't understand the humor in this.

[journalist3072]

12. Exactly.....I just posted about this...and people make fun of her for mentioning this?? eom

[CoffeeCat]

21. You're right...the fact that these men...

...died in that compactor--and were denied basic employment rights is devastating
and incredibly sad.

The problem for me anyway---is that Hillary uses highly stylized creative writing and new
tricks learned from her drama and voice coach---to evoke feelings ABOUT HILLARY--as she uses
the tragedy as a backdrop.

I feel like she's "working on us" through this story.

It really, really feels creepy.

I mean, come on..."a cascade of garbage"---spoken in soft muted tones--as Hillary
and her voice coach rehearsed earlier that day.

[Sparkly]

22. I didn't hear it, but

speeches are often written ahead of time and delivered in some particular way. I don't see the hilarity.

[CoffeeCat]

24. I wouldn't say there is "hilarity" here...

I'm disgusted.

Have you listened to Hillary lately? She sounds like she's doing voice
overs for Calgon bath beads--but she's giving political speeches.

It's so incredibly contrived!!

She's working with a voice coach and a drama coach, and the result is
so over-the-top!

I think saying that the workers were killed in a "cascade of garbage"
is what is getting everyone. That's stylized, PR writing. She's in
soft, muted, PR mode--when describing two men who were crushed in the
metal jaws of a garbage truck.

You don't see the absurdity of her delivery here?

If I got up in front of everyone, and described a murder scene as, "... a vivid fusion of
blood and hatchets that coalesced into teardrops and wimpers--as several unfortunate souls
witnessed their limbs cascade from their bodies..." you wouldn't find that a bit odd?

She's amping up her language to evoke emotions, and it's out of place. It's contrived.

It turns people off.

[journalist3072]

11. You do realize that two weeks before the strike in 68, two sanitation workers were killed

The truck he drives, for example, is a vast improvement over the models of '68, when two workers were crushed and killed by a mechanized compactor just weeks before the strike. Through the years, Nickelberry has seen other tools of the trade change too: Before the plastic trash cans familiar to most Americans, 55-gallon drums were standard. Before that, workers hauled aluminum tubs from house to house, which required both a strong back and a delicate touch.

Source: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0331memphismar31,1,6031883.story

This is probably want Sen. Clinton was referring to, and she was absolutely right to do so.

I'm sure you probably don't read much, if at all, but if your tiny little brain can manage to do, read Taylor Branch's book on Rev. King because it also talks about the fact that sanitation workers were killed on the job.

[cliffordu]

13. Of course you know I wasn't making fun of the two

sanitation workers killed by substandard working conditions and equipment -

I was ridiculing Hillary's breathless, teary-eyed rendition of the story that had them dying, not due to "substandard working conditions and equipment" which is why King went to Memphis to begin with, but they died....

".....in a cascade of garbage...." you know, like a hail of gunfire, or a Shitstorm of controversy, a pale of comparison, a load of bullshit.....


:patriot:

[frazzled]

14. Of course, everyone knows that--but they were crushed in the jaws of a compactor

It's horrific. But to say they were "killed by garbage" is not quite right. The poetry of "cascades of garbage" is what people are reacting to. I think it would have been better, if she were to have used a metaphor, to say they were crushed in the jaws of a garbage compactor, buried in the stench of the debris they collected for substandard wages for years." Or something. But not that they were killed by garbage.

[Sparkly]

15. They died in a cascade of garbage -- that is true, though.

From the Tribune article cited elsewhere in this thread:

Often, Nickelberry would end the night soaked in sludge.

"I've had it run down my back," he said matter-of-factly.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0331memphismar31,1,6031883.story

These were awful working conditions.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

16. Obama supporters continue their feeding frenzy of hatred.

Do you people actually pass for humans in RL?

[CoffeeCat]

23. Oh yeah...

...anytime anyone points out Hillary's blatant fakery or
lies--we're all evil, hateful people.

Hillary is the one with the voice coach and the drama coach and the writers who
work furiously to evoke emotions in all of us, so Hillary will be "more likable"
and will be "viewed as personable."

Spare me the fake outrage.

Hillary is the one exploiting this situation. Her fakery is obvious.

Pointing that out is not hate---it's living with your eyes wide open and
calling out an exploiter.

[ampad]

17. She did not say that !

Please tell me you are joking.

[cliffordu]

18. I am not lying.....More fake emotions, reading "spontaneous" words....

:cry:

[CoffeeCat]

19. Mark Penn wrote that, most likely...

I recognize PR writing, and I bet that speech has Penn's fingerprints all over it.

I wrote PR stuff for high-tech companies for many years. It's difficult to switch
out of PR mode, but it's essential--especially if you're talking about two men
who were crushed in a garbage compactor.

Geez.

Regarding her "inflection" and "tone." I'm a creeped the hell out by her chronically
stylized "inflection" and "tone" that is egregiously over-the-top.

NO ONE, in real life, talks that way. She sounds like the voice over for a tampon
commercial. It's really creepy and so fake.

The next time Hillary steps up to the podium, it will probably be to ask us, "America do you ever get
that not-so-fresh feeling?"