It may be acceptable for RW Republicans, but when did Democrats come to consider

[ProSense]

• Lying a virtue?
  
• Cheating as a means to get ahead?
  
• Stealing as something you do until you get caught?

Being a politician is not an excuse.

• lying = lying
  
• cheating = cheating
  
• stealing = stealing

America doesn't need a government filled with people who lie, cheat and steal. We have such a government now:

• Bush & the GOP delivered: Iraq WMD lies
  
• Bush & the GOP delivered: An illegal war that American public thinks is immoral
  
• Bush & the GOP delivered: 4,013 American troop fatalities in Iraq
  
• Bush & the GOP delivered: 30,000 American troops wounded in Iraq
  
• Bush & the GOP delivered: $500 billion of tax payer funds to destroy Iraq
  
• Bush & the GOP delivered: State-sanctioned torture
  
• Bush & the GOP delivered: No-bid contracts to Halliburton, others
  
• Bush & the GOP delivered: Subsidies to the Oil industry
  
• Bush & the GOP delivered: Tax cuts for the rich
  
• Bush & the GOP delivered: Diebold-driven election fraud and vote suppression
  
• Bush & the GOP delivered: Program that illegally spies on Americans
  
• Bush & the GOP delivered: Phone jamming of political opponents resulting in convictions
  
• Bush & the GOP delivered: First senior-level WH aide to be convicted in more than 100 years
  
• Bush & the GOP delivered: Abramoff crime network
  
• Bush & the GOP delivered: Karl Rove
  
• Bush & the GOP delivered: Swift Liars

Democrats need to stand up and challenge dishonesty and hubris.

Democrats don't need to act like Bush Republicans.

[HereSince1628]

1. The sad thing is so many do it. The tragic thing is it works!

Well maybe not everybody...

:(

[ProSense]

2. "It works!" That's the point: look how many people are willing to accept these as the norm. n/t

[blm]

5. The lying in 2000 and 2004 DIDN'T work. Gore and Kerry won - BushInc needed to STEAL it.

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[ProSense]

6. How do liars handle their lies?

They try to cover them up, gloss over them or attack the person(s) trying to expose them.


On edit: There in lies the distinction between someone who is fallible and someone who intentionally and repeatedly lies.

[Scurrilous]

3. K & R

:thumbsup:

[ProSense]

4. Oh, I broke the rule:

no criticizing (also known as hating) Democrats under any circumstance. Carry on!

[ProSense]

7. How does

this happen?

[baldguy]

19. Hillary didn't lie.

She just didn't know what she was talking about.

[stranger81]

8. K&R [n/t]

[ProSense]

9. The nomination is worth lying for?

In Oregon, Clinton Makes False Claim About Her Iraq Record Vs. Obama's

April 06, 2008 9:49 AM

In Eugene, Ore., Saturday. Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., attempted to change the measure by which anyone might assess who criticized the Iraq war first, her or Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., by saying those keeping records should start in January 2005, when Obama joined the Senate. (A measure that conveniently avoids her October 2002 vote to authorize use of force against Iraq at a time that Obama was speaking out against the war.) She claimed that using that measure she criticized the war in Iraq before Obama did.

But Clinton's claim was false.

Clinton on Saturday told Oregonians, "when Sen. Obama came to the Senate he and I have voted exactly the same except for one vote. And that happens to be the facts. We both voted against early deadlines. I actually starting criticizing the war in Iraq before he did."

It's an odd way to measure opposition to the war -- comparing who gave the first criticism of the war in Iraq starting in January 2005, ignoring Obama's opposition to the war throughout 2003 and 2004.

But even if one were to employ this "Start Counting in January 2005" measurement, Clinton did not criticize the war in Iraq first.

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[NJSecularist]

10. Hillary is showing her true colors - and it is scary.

We don't need serial liars in our White House. We already have one right now and we are trying to get him out of there.

[mkultra]

11. HEAR HEAR!

wake up folks. don't sell your morals for the white house. Real world morals are what makes us who we are.

[kid a]

17. k

[MonkeyFunk]

12. Lying is a virtue

only when done in the service of Barack Obama.

I spend most of my time here refuting lies told about the Clintons.

[ProSense]

13. Lying is not a virtue. Not when anyone here does it. Not when Hillary does it, and

she's the one running for president.

No one is claiming that there aren't liars. So because there are liars, we should accept a president or any elected official who lies intentionally and repeatedly?

[UALRBSofL]

14. it's very amusing to me to see this outpouring

of emotional hand wringing from the Obama Camp regarding some of these allegations leveled at Clinton.. most of them are tenuous at best and others seem to be the result of the way human memory works ( and doesn't work) over time..

it's also VERY amusing to see this coming from people who give the bush / cheney team a pass at the drop of a hat.

but hey, if this stuff is all you've got, then it's pretty obvious to me that the swift boating of Clinton just isn't going to work as effectively as it has in the past for the right.

[ProSense]

15. Here

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com">here and http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/1/85359/24244/36/488126">here

Perfectly acceptable to you?

[ProSense]

16. From 7 to 23 in 30 days

North Carolina: Obama 56% Clinton 33%

rasmussenreports.com Mon Apr 7, 9:24 AM ET

In North Carolina, Barack Obama has opened up a twenty-three percentage point lead over Hillary Clinton. The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey finds that Obama attracts 56% of the vote while Clinton earns 33%. A month ago, Obama's lead was just seven percentage points.

While the absolute numbers are different, the trend is similar to results from Pennsylvania where Obama gained ten-points on Clinton during the month of March.

Perhaps the only disturbing news for Obama in the survey is that most Clinton voters (56%) say they are not likely to vote for the Illinois Senator in the general election against John McCain. A month ago, 45% of Clinton voters said they were not likely to vote for Obama against McCain.

There remains an enormous racial divide in the North Carolina data. Obama leads 86% to 9% among African-American voters. Clinton holds a 47% to 38% advantage among white voters in the Tar Heel State. A month ago, Obama led by fifty-three points among African-Americans while Clinton led by twenty points among White voters.

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[Bensthename]

18. woo hoo.. Nice

[ProSense]

20. Only in the mind of an apologist, from 2003

He Said, He Said; Bush May Have Exaggerated, but Did He Lie?

By DAVID E. ROSENBAUM
Published: June 22, 2003

THE hunt for chemical, biological and nuclear weapons in Iraq has been fruitless. The tax cut turns out to give no break whatsoever to millions of low-income taxpayers. In the view of some Democrats, President Bush has been lying about these and other matters, the way Lyndon B. Johnson lied about Vietnam, Richard M. Nixon about Watergate and Bill Clinton about his sex life.

For instance, Senator Bob Graham of Florida, the former chairman of the Intelligence Committee and a candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination, accused Mr. Bush of ''a pattern of deception and deceit'' on Iraq.

An antiwar organization, MoveOn.org, ran a full-page advertisement in The New York Times last week suggesting that ''young men and women were sent to die for a lie.''

The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a liberal research group, said of Mr. Bush's statement that all income tax payers would benefit from his tax cut, ''Such claims are not accurate.''

In fact, a review of the president's public statements found little that could lead to a conclusion that the president actually lied on either subject. But more pertinent than whether the president told the literal truth is what factors he stressed and which ones he played down.

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