Why talk about Clinton at all?

[Erin Elizabeth]

(I mean if you are not a Clinton supporter. Obviously Clinton supporters want to discuss her.)

But if you are not a Clinton supporter, and barring any new whopper fish stories of hers, why bother even mentioning her? Don't worry about having to hold your nose in November, you won't have to. Obama apparently isn't too worried about her, why should you be?

I have a friend who is a HUGE Clinton supporter, acts like she's a deity. But she's pretty much just stopped mentioning her lately when we meet for lunch at work. She used to talk her up all the time. Now on the rare occasions when she says something, I just smile and nod. It's hard for her. She's getting more and more angry and defensive every day. I know what it feels like to have your person lose in the primary. I think a lot of us do. It's not easy.

But at this point? Again, barring another big tall tale out of her, I don't really care at all what she says or does. It doesn't matter. Clinton the Candidate has reached irrelevancy. End.

[wileedog]

1. Kicked for irrelevancy nt

[pocoloco]

2. LOL

We get a new Whopper every day!!

Didn't you get the latest one???

[depakid]

3. More group think- and more irony!

Sometimes, I love this place.....

[Erin Elizabeth]

6. One person expressing their opinion equals groupthink?

I think you need to re-read the definition of that term.

[depakid]

18. A person dismissing all sets of arguments other than their own

is classic group think.

Just like this statement: "acts like she's a deity," can easily be seen as ironic, given the behavior and statements of some Obama supporters on GD:P, on the web and at rallies.

[Erin Elizabeth]

21. Mmm, no, that's not what groupthink is.

Funny you chose that term, I did a lot of research on it back in the day as an undergraduate. It's thought to be the phenomenon behind the 1986 shuttle explosion, btw. Loads of people at NASA knew of the problems, but there was such a pervasive culture of pressure to not EVER say anything negative that people were literally terrified to report their concerns.

That's groupthink--a pervasive pattern of pressure to conform to the group opinion, no matter WHAT the consequences.

So how is my one opinion that Clinton doesn't even really need to be discussed by Obama supporters here an example of groupthink? As far as I can see, I can't find any other threads expressing the same thing, much less a pervasive pattern of pressure to feel that way!

[papau]

38. As if DU does not mock those not in agreement :-) pressure/groupthink - whatever

"Clinton doesn't even really need to be discussed by Obama supporters here"

Well if Obama supporters would quit lying about Hillary - and start noticing the reasons Obama's lies mean he can not win - this place would be more interesting.

[DemGa]

4. Classy

:sarcasm: End.

[QC]

5. Because pathological haters must talk endlessly about

the object of their hatred. It's part of the sickness.

[Forkboy]

12. So what's the excuse of Hillary supporters talking about Obama?

Be consistent now. :P

[QC]

15. Same thing.

Many people are apparently here not because they support one candidate but because they despise the other one.

It's really sick, Tiresome, too.

[Mooney]

20. Yet here you are, soaking it in nonetheless.

[QC]

23. It does hold a certain morbid fascination, I admit.

The atmosphere here lately reminds me of those harrowing asylum scenes in Suddenly Last Summer.

[Mooney]

28. I can't stay away.

[QC]

29. I can understand that. It's like slowing down when passing a wreck.

You know you're not supposed to do it, but....

[Mooney]

31. It's more like getting a good seat by the tracks when no train is there yet

in the knowledge that in a few minutes, some kind of horrible disaster is certain to occur.

[QC]

33. True. One never has to wait long to see a fine display of lunacy.

Today's sturm und drang over book satchels is the best I have seen in a while. True, it's not in the league of those poor Haitian men with their 42EEE bosoms, but it's still pretty damn good!

[Mooney]

34. And imagine what lies ahead.

Can you imagine if the primaries really do run their course all the way through June? That's two more months. And it will only deteriorate the whole time.

[QC]

35. I expect some of the more, um, involved to go over the edge. Seriously.

Some of them really do seem to have issues.

[Mooney]

36. It's going to be like the last 20 minutes of "The Wild Bunch."

[SoFlaJet]

46. LOL

I LOVE that movie

[Forkboy]

22. Excellent answer. I agree totally.

I'm pretty indifferent to both, but have no malice towards either one. They'll both a step in the right direction. I'm just always looking for a leap. :)

[QC]

24. I don't find either one particularly inspiring.

I do object to the freeperesque behavior around here, though. I hate being put in the position of defending Hillary, whom I consider a corporate centrist, but the attacks on her have become so batshit crazy that it's hard not to speak up. I really am beginning to think that some of the more bizarre posters here are genuinely mentally ill.

[mudesi]

37. Yes, but one candidate is a scumbag

I'll leave you to guess which one.

[woolldog]

7. Let Her (Clinton) Sink!

I like it.

Let her sink. lol

[Erin Elizabeth]

9. Yeah, I mean, let's do our small part to help her

along in her irrelevancy by just ignoring her here, too.

And speaking of, there are some posts here I can't read. Sorry!

[ekwhite]

8. Good point Erin

But let's not get too complacent. Hillary Clinton will soon drop out of the campaign, probably after PA, but she might decide to stay in until the bitter end, if she gets a cash infusion.

[Erin Elizabeth]

10. How likely is that?

Really I think we're seeing the flop sweat now. (That phrase makes me giggle for some reason!)

[L0oniX]

11. Kicked and recommended for irrelevancy.n/t

[Levgreee]

13. Because she is extremely persistent and is trying everything she can to pull away victory from obama

She's a fighter, she'll keep on going until she is forced out, and she'll hurt Obama's chances and our chances in the GE, in the meantime.

Not to analogize her with a snake per se, but if there is a gimp rattlesnake in your house, you don't leave it there to perhaps get you with poison. My point is, Hillary is resilient, clever, and ruthless, and therefore dangerous.

She needs to have more of her lies exposed so she will be forced out.

[JohnnyLib2]

14. Ya gotta admit -- Hillary doesn't get ignored.

Whatever your opinion, she's been "in the arena" for a long time and is not
likely to fade away.

"It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." T. Roosevelt

[RaleighNCDUer]

41. That's a great quote, but not applicable to Hillary.

She is a self-described pragmatist, who does everything by calculation, including voting for a war that she opposes because of political expediency. She IS one of those "cold and timid souls" who does not dare greatly. If she was not, she would not be a ranking member of the DLC. Her entire career is compromise and playing safe - in fact, even this hotly contested campaign is an accident. She KNEW it was all going to be over by Super Tuesday, that her only real opposition was John Edwards, and that it was going to be a coronation, not a nomination.

She has never had a serious fight in her life. Before now. And this one was completely unexpected.

TR would laugh to see that applied to HC.

[FightingIrish]

16. It took Bush almost seven years to attain irrelevancy

How proud they must be.

[Zhade]

17. Because she keeps lying.

I hate liars.

[Erin Elizabeth]

19. Well, yeah, like I said

if she keeps up with the whoppers, I'll comment on that. That's just disgusting.

Other than the lies, though, I don't care about her campaign. It's over.

[dkf]

25. Because she's trying to steal the election.

All this pledged delegates don't have to vote for the candidate they are supposed to be representing is reprehensible. It means that the entire primary process is irrelevant. She's trying to make our votes worthless.

[Erin Elizabeth]

26. That IS pretty bad.

I have to agree with you there.

[McCamy Taylor]

27. Because she and Obama are now tied for Democratic support?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/04/us/politics/04campaign.html?_r=1&ref=politics&oref=slogin

And you do not want to blow off half the party at the convention?

[dchill]

30. "barring any new whopper fish stories of hers"

There's a thread a day, right there! :shrug:

[Jed Dilligan]

32. Funny that us taking this attitude would be the best thing

that could possibly happen for the Hillary bitter-enders on DU. Yet the are here to bash and trash you nonetheless. Some people just thrive on their grievances, but I'm proud to say they are not a majority of this site or the party.

[DB1]

39. For the wellbeing of her supporters she must think....

where do they go from here? We all know it takes time to recover from losing our favorite candidate and move on to the next. At what point is she being selfish? At what point does she put her supporters and party above her ambition? Many fear these are considerations that will never enter her mindset. I hope they are wrong. It will all play out, Obama will be our nominee and our next and one of the greatest Presidents ever.

[stillcool]

40. They are relevant

because they are not going away. They will do and say anything to get this nomination. They are staying in this hoping that they can find something with which they can fatally wound Obama.

[not_too_L8]

42. I'm not talking now

[Stephanie]

43. You make a good point.

She has become irrelevant.

[Window]

44. Whole-heartedly agree.

:kick:

[kid a]

45. "hide thread" a fair option to "ignore" - at least keep an eye on the flying sinks. nt

[Yael]

47. I have started to track the daily "fish story"

Friday it was the bookbag
Saturday, hospitalgate
Today, she was against the war before Obama and we shouldn't take anything into account before 2005.

When she stops lying, er, I mean talking (if there is a difference), then I will take off the schadenfreude hat and ignore her.

[Unbowed]

48. I couldn't agree more.

She's a distraction and we have work to do.

McCain is going down.