The "W" word, the "B" word, the "C" word, the "N" word

[question everything]

what does not belong? The "N" word, of course. No one is using it about Obama, but the others are being used against Hillary.

And, as reported

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=229x9690

there are many men in the work force who feel "liberated" to use these words against Hillary, now, and, no doubt, will feel free to use them against women co-workers and superiors in the future.

And I have to ask the women who support Obama and who work in an office environment, whether such a language bothers them. A little bit.

I mentioned some of this to a male friend recently. I mentioned how men feel free to hurl "iron my shirt" and "make me a sandwich" at Hillary, to loud applause. But no one is telling Obama to "shine my shoes." Oohhh, jumped my friend. There will be blood in the street.

Precisely.

This has nothing to do, at this point, with Clintons's character or qualifications. This has a lot to do with the liberty that men now feel to follow Rush the Limp with his Feminazi tirade. And when this race is over, don't be surprised, and offended, if all of a sudden male chauvinism returns to the work place. And if a woman co-worker would be called a bitch or a whore, and someone will file a complaint, they will be justified to wonder why now, all of a sudden when no one objected when they used these term freely against Clinton.

[Maddy McCall]

1. Excellent post.

I'm proud to give it its first k/r.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. May I kindly remind you that when the word was used aginst Bush, Condoleeza

Rice and even Bush's Wife nobody batted an eye round these parts?

The words are wrong, no matter the context, but it is NOT just Hillary

The W word, aka whore, is used against insert politician here no matter what gender.

Amazing, I am truly shocked by this... that people are truly NOW saying enough!

As to hostile working environments, been there, done that, and I am sure will be there and will do that again... since this nation has a problem with
women in work places

[question everything]

7. This was wrong and I know that, at least on DU, Skinner tried to limit it

when used against Sheehan.

Still, there is a difference between an Internet blog and the office environment. I doubt that many managers can get away with publicly referring to Bush or to Rice as a whore. (Except in the offices of the Democratic party..)

[ChazII]

73. Excellent point.

Wish we could nominate your post for "greatest".

[tabatha]

3. "Bitch is the new black"

came from where?

[question everything]

4. From a comedy show!

And isn't it interesting that when that dude came for a sorry excuse for a rebuttal, he did counter it with the word "black" not with the "N" word.

[Buzz Clik]

42. Good god. What a bizarre post.

Yeah, SNL is a comedy show, but Weekend Update is similar to The Daily Show -- they deal in truths with a comedic punchline. Tina Fey was deadly serious when she said "bitch is the new black", but her rant with Amy Poehler as her echo was well written and very funny.

And the "dude" who gave the "sorry excuse for a rebuttal" was Tracy Morgan. Similar to Fey's editorial, Morgan's response was brilliant and funny.

[tabatha]

70. And so was Randi's show - comedy.

[question everything]

92. Did Randy say: "I am a whore?"

because, of course, this is what Tina Fey said, pointing at herself, and then at Amy Poehler who nodded and said, Yes, I am.

And, as I pointed on other posts, there is a difference when an oppressed group use a derogatory term - as many blacks have been using the N word and "Ho" and when it is used by others with a clear intention to spite and to offend. The tone and the context are different.

And it is clear that many DUers choose to put their blinders on and to look at this topic under a very narrow definition. One can only hope that, once this race is over, they will regain their ability to distinguish among wit, insult, and nuances.

[bluestateguy]

5. I think we all need to stop being crybabies

There seems to be no day that goes by without someone, somewhere, with no matter how tenuous of a connection with either campaign saying something that offends someone and then come the demands that either candidate reject, denounce, purge, disassociate, condemn, repudiate, exorcise, etc. the offending remarks and the person who made them.

Grow up people!

Politics unfortunately is not a formal tea party where everyone is respectful and courtly. It just isn't. I wish it was, but it's not.

[question everything]

We would not, if we use terms from previous elections

like, I don't know, a scoundrel, or a horse thief..

But because we have now two people from groups that for generations were subjected to discrimination and to misinformation and were referred to by derogatory terms, the type of insults one uses can have a wide effect beyond the specific race.

And it is glaring when the woman, but not the black man is the recipient of such slurs.

Which causes many to conclude that while being perceived as a racist is no longer accepted, at least not in public, being a misogynist is alive and well.

See, for example, how McCain chuckled when a supporter asked him about "the bitch," yet, quickly distanced himself from others who hurled slurs at Obama.

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[Mezzo]

41. being called a 'fucking whore' is not a tenuous suggestion, it IS an outrage.

and, no, both campaigns are NOT doing that.

[krkaufman]

79. You're right. *Neither* campaign has said that.

That particular phrase was uttered by an over-the-top talk radio host as part of a comedy routine, so putting aside for the moment whatever meaning or offense could be taken from her bit, the speaker has no more association with either campaign than any other voter.

[Endangered Specie]

64. I agree, alot of fake outrage on both sides these days...

almost makes me wish the convention gets brokered and Gore emerges our nominee.

[goldcanyonaz]

6. We wont have to worry. Another woman won't run for President anytime soon.

This election has set women back at least 25 years.

[ProSense]

10. This campaign set Hillary back. Women will be fine. n/t

[Mooney]

13. No, it's set nepotism back 25 years.

Hillary Clinton was expecting to skate into this on name recognition alone. If she wasn't a Clinton, she never would have been taken seriously as a presidential candidate for five seconds.

[goclark]

14. This election has not set women back

in my mind and I am a woman.

I believe that it has advanced the idea that a woman will be President, and soon.

You are so right about all of those initials being used against the candidates. There should be no place in our society for any of those words. Perhaps this election will help America grow up and handle politics in a 21st Century way. We don't need to tear down another candidate, we need to talk about the ISSUES.

What is unusual about HC running this time is that her husband was running the race with her.

And ~ her husband was a past President of the United States.

Therefore,she was not able to completely define herself as a woman that could stand on her own two feet because of the +/- of his strong personality and her not being able or willing to shut him up.

That is my take on it and I'm sure you don't see it that way but I do.

[Mooney]

17. I always saw it that way.

Hillary Clinton needed to run as a separate entity from her husband and stand completely on her own.

The connection to him was always going to be there, but she can't credibly make the claim that she's the one who'll be running the show with him playing such a prominent role in her campaign. I think he's done more harm than good and he's been more of a distraction than anything else.

[goldcanyonaz]

37. I'm speaking in regards to the perception of women in power.

Most polls have shown that we are much more ready for a black male President than a woman President.

As a black person this makes me happy, but as a woman this makes me sad. I've been in a catch-22 for most of this election.

ETA:

How many times have you witnessed Hillary being called a bitch (right on this thread), a cunt, etc? Much of this is used by women too. We wouldn't accept racist adjectives to be used against Obama, but sexist words are not only used daily to describe Clinton but laughed at.

[krkaufman]

81. Honest question... Do you have links to such polls?

Are the polls generic, or are the polls based on our current candidates (Clinton, Obama)?

[question everything]

53. This is the point. You use terms that can be debated and argued

by everyone. My OP is about most "pundits" and Obama supporters on DU and other places who do not criticize her on the merit. They either refer to her clothes, makeup, cleavage, hairstyle, marriage, or simply call her "a bitch" and, like Rush with his old "Hillary!" or "feminazi!" pretty much says it all.

[krkaufman]

80. It might be noted, also, that some people are less than pleased ...

... with some of the ways in which she did choose to define herself as a politician, and it has nothing to do with her gender, not the least among which is her vote in support of the Iraq war.

Some people feel that the Democratic nominee needs to provide a stark contrast to the Republican policies and Hillary's Republican-lite profile in regards to the war and Iran critically wound her campaign on this front. She'd have similiar difficulties in the GE regarding NAFTA and free-trade policies due to her support of such deals during the Clinton Presidency.

I'd prefer Gore, but my choice is now limited to Clinton or Obama. And Obama provides a greater contrast to the Republican candidate and Republican policies.

[question everything]

85. You do realize, do you, that there is not much difference between the two

that both voted in lockstep during Obama's short tenure at the Senate.

That the only difference is the style, and the emotional reaction that they generate.

Either way, the OP is not about Clinton's candidacy or her campaign, but about the eruption of anti-women slurs that we have not seen since, yes, the early 90s with Anita Hill testimony and that will stay in public and in the work place long after these elections are over.

[krkaufman]

87. I understand the scope of the OP, but I didn't respond to the OP

There's no DU policy I'm aware of stating that I cannot respond to a comment if I feel a comment expresses a point-of-view with which I disagree (or agree, for that matter)... in this case, the premise that Sen. Clinton's campaign may have been hamstrung by the presence of Bill Clinton. It's my view that Bill's presence is among the least of Sen. Clinton's campaign's shortcomings.

Re: ...

You do realize, do you, that there is not much difference between the two that both voted in lockstep during Obama's short tenure at the Senate.

How small shall we make the window of comparison, then, so that it favors Sen. Clinton more? I've already heard her schtick from Oregon that she criticized the Iraq war before Obama. And laughed. And laughed again each time another news source pointed-out the ridiculousness of the Clinton-defined comparison window or the fact that even within the Clinton-defined window she was easily shown to be in error.

Hillary's leadership in the DLC, her support for flag burning illegalization, her vote in support of the Kyl-Lieberman amendment are further examples of distinct differences between the candidates. And, if we're allowed to consider Obama's speech, just one paragraph from the speech is sufficient to demonstrate Obama's superior vision and judgment, relative to his remaining contenders.

I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

The list goes on, but I think we can both agree that there is little point in continuing.

[StevieM]

32. I don't look at it that way, as much as I love Hillary. I think this was just a campaign of

personal destruction by a genuinely bad man. And a reprehensible media that is berept of ethics.

Steve

[SoCalDem]

52. I don't think so.. i think there will be a woman president

before then..BUT hopefully it will be a self-made woman who did not try to slide into the job on her husband's resumé & achievements..

[NashVegas]

77. There's No Such Thing As "Self-Made" - Woman Or Man

To expect BC to completely stay out of the picture is asking for HC to accept a handicap that no other candidate has ever had to have. Heck, Dean tried and look what happened, there.

[bain_sidhe]

56. I agree

furthermore, it has become clear to me that NO woman candidate will even get taken seriously. Hillary only was because of her unique situation.

[Endangered Specie]

65. Don't tell that to Nancy Pelosi

[Evergreen Emerald]

69. You are so right. I am deeply offended and saddened by what has

happened because of the way Clinton is allowed to be treated because she is a woman. It is ugly and uncovers the deep hatred for women of power in our society.

And then, they pretend that it is ok becuase it is only Clinton.

[ProSense]

8. "no one is telling Obama to 'shine my shoes.'" So telling people Obama can't win because he's black

is OK. Implying that he is an affirmative action candidate is OK?

All the other race-baiting crap from Hillary's campaign is OK?

Hillary is a victim of misogyny, but Obama is just a black guy who can't win?

If you can’t stand the heat, don’t run for president

[TheDonkey]

12. Thank you Prosense. These Shillbots are so desperate they are whining that racism isn't MORE @ play

then the Clinton campaign has already made it. Would be calling Obama the "n" word appease their cries for fairness.

Are they trying to rationally discuss the severity of slurs and curses, is this where Hillary hopes to win votes?

[question everything]

51. "Shillbots" - nice, really nice

In all of my posts I always refer to Obama supporters or Hillary supporters or even McCain supporters. But as soon as you use derogatory terms you really cannot be taken seriously.

No, I do not put you on "ignore" - I think that this is a childish and immature move.. what was that about heat and the kitchen? - though it appears that I have "earned" my place in that master list that was published here a few weeks ago.

How can anyone expect to participate in a political debate while closing one ears to opposing views? It is not as if anyone here is forced to read everything.

[Umbram]

15. Yep, I couldn't get any HRC supporter to denounce the B.O. "affirmative action candidate" comments

apparently if a loyal HRC supporter takes up the banner of hate, the faithful just flock around it.

[Taxmyth]

21. You didn't ask me

Loyal HRC supporter here and I will gladly denounce any moron that would call Senator Obama the above. GOP Plant seeking to disrupt the Democratic Party process would be my guess.

[RaleighNCDUer]

24. As are the relative few who refer tp Hillary as a bitch.

The hillary supporters keep talking about it, but I've only seen it once from a poster who may have been a troll - less than 500 post count, only a couple months on DU. 'Whore' I've seen, and used, but I use it indiscriminately about corporate whores or political whores of either gender - it does not have the sexual connotations that indignant hillary supporters claim.

Do a DU search on 'Hillary bitch' and you'll see that 90%+ are from hillary supporters being offended, and the rest are trolls.

[krkaufman]

83. Your post expresses my first impression on reading the OP

I've hardly seen the slurs referenced in the OP outside of threads by Hillary supporters decrying their use. Should they be used, I would hope that the posts are deleted by the mods and the posters reprimanded.

[question everything]

86. Read this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=229x9690

..recently surveyed the Internet and found more than 50 anti-Hillary Clinton sites on Facebook. One of them, entitled "Hillary Clinton Stop Running for President and Make Me a Sandwich," had more than 38,000 members. "What if one of these 38,000 guys is someone you, as a woman, have to go to and negotiate a raise?"

[krkaufman]

88. Well, I suppose one possibility is to consider the other side.

Maybe Hillary isn't a saint and has managed to generate some genuine animosity amongst the population, and that attitudes towards Hillary should not necessarily be extrapolated to attitudes towards the female sex -- conceding, of course, that there are plenty of people out there who have a problem voting for a woman. Sexism has never gone away, not in the workplace nor anywhere else. But Obama's and McCain's support is not wholly made-up of misogynists.

As for some of the workplace conversations presented, I myself would be hard-pressed in some of those circumstances challenging coworkers in regards to their discussing politics, having some concern that exposing myself as a Leftist would be hazardous to my career. Many forms of bias exist, with sexism among the most prevalent.

The issue is not clear.

[RaleighNCDUer]

93. Facebook is not DU.

I have no doubt that there is rampant sexism at work in the REPUBLICAN camp - and that it is THEY who are putting up these sites. Democrats are, generally, better than that.

The discussion is on sexism among Obama supporters, who are, I presume, liberal democrats - since Hillary has the conservative democrats all locked up. That's like saying proof of Obama supporters sexism is apparent on Free Republic. Pure nonsense.

[question everything]

54. Me too. And, I admit, I have not heard this term... been away from DU for

several days, as well as from most news programs.

[JoFerret]

89. Guess you've never ben there, done that

Classic.

[WheelWalker]

9. Yes, good post. k&r. I'm reminded of something my dad once said to me....

he said, "Son, an insult is like a drink - it only affects you if you take it."

[Seabiscuit]

11. It's rare indeed to find someone saying so much in so few words.

Kudos for a great post!

:applause:

K&R!

[Beregond2]

16. Words

Rush and his ilk have been raining this kind of abuse on Hillary for many, many years. I don't see how her running for President changes anything, with regard to men using these terms. Besides, the kind of men who are prone to this kind of thinking aren't going to be looking for "permission" from Rush or anyone else.

I think your drawing a parallel with the 'N' word doesn't hold up. After all, women call men "bastards" "sons of bitches" and lots of other abusive words all the time. This kind of sparring between the sexes is as old as time. The 'N' Word is tied to a particular oppressive institution in a particular time and place, and has specific historical associations that go far beyond the battle of the sexes, in terms of infamy.

[question everything]

57. It matters in context

As we found last year with Don Imus - black people felt that they can use the term "Ho" but when white people do - this is an insult, and correctly so. And, I believe, black people often use at least a variation of the "N" word. When we use the S.O.B term it does not carry the same emotional ferocity as calling a woman "a bitch." And perhaps this is the reason why when Tina Fey said it on SNL it was accepted differently as if, say, one of the man on that program was saying it. Remember Dan Ackroyd to Jane Curtain "you ignorant slut?" (perhaps you are too young to remember this :(

And Bill Clinton in 1992 pushed ahead when he decried that rap singer using offensive words.

Look at the word "boy." Innocent enough in everyday context. But use it as "old boys network" and the meaning gets an edge. Try to refer to Obama as "boy" (perhaps I should have included it in the OP) and, yes, there will be blood in the street.

We all know the words, and we recognize them when they are hurled as insult.

[boppers]

18. Is it still 1990?

18 Years ago?

Somehow, I don't think that Hillary will have the effect of warping space time if she isn't elected. Equal rights don't exactly hang on her, considering how very, very, little she has had to do with them.

[Hepburn]

19. What the hell is the "W" word?

:shrug:

Oh, BTW: Hillary is a bitch.

[TheDonkey]

20. Whore. Or perhaps Whig.

[Hepburn]

26. Thanks....

...I was drawing a total blank on that. All I could think of was "witch."

:hi:

[Bake]

35. The GOP thanks you.

For adding so much to the discourse.

Bake

[goldcanyonaz]

38. Consider the source.

[Hepburn]

40. How nice of you to be working for the GOP and extending thanks.

Don't you think you are on the wrong forum, tho? BTW: I am glad this was dumbed down enough for you to understand!

:hi:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

22. And where were you back in the late 90s?

When women across the land were treated to creepy interrogations by their male coworkers, because Bill Clinton committed an indiscretion and Ken Starr decided to write 1000 page steamy epic about it?

I can't tell you how many times some creepy loser tried to corner me into a "serious conversation" about oral copulation and what "is" meant back then.

If you're trying to suggest to me that my not supporting Hillary Clinton is going to translate into some renewed experience of harassment on the job, I must tell you that you need to pull your head out of your ass.

[Political Heretic]

23. They are not equivalent, sorry.

Main Entry: Whore

Pronunciation:
\ˈhȯr, ˈhu̇r\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English hore, from Old English hōre; akin to Old Norse hōra whore, hōrr adulterer, Latin carus dear — more at charity
Date: before 12th century

1: a woman who engages in sexual acts for money : prostitute; also : a promiscuous or immoral woman
2: a male who engages in sexual acts for money
3: a venal or unscrupulous person


Main Entry: Bitch
Pronunciation: \ˈbich\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English bicche, from Old English bicce
Date: before 12th century

1: the female of the dog or some other carnivorous mammals
2 a: a lewd or immoral woman b: a malicious, spiteful, or overbearing woman —sometimes used as a generalized term of abuse
3: something that is extremely difficult, objectionable, or unpleasant
4: complaint


Main Entry: c***
Pronunciation: \ˈkənt\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English cunte; akin to Middle Low German kunte female pudenda
Date: 14th century

1 usually obscene : the female genital organs; also : sexual intercourse with a woman
2 usually disparaging & obscene : woman

And I don't think we need a dictionary listing for the N-word.

Of those, whore is the least offensive with common meaning that now transcends gender (corporate whore, media whore, whore being "unscrupulous"). Bitch is next, with its potential to function as abusive language but with other common usage too (I need to bitch, this task is a bitch, quit bitching, etc.) C*** and N*****, which most of us don't even want to spell out, are in a different class. Very socially unacceptable, and unlike other words has only one commonly defined purpose - to verbally abuse.

I don't know that if I said Hillary Clinton is a political whore I would win many friends or change any minds. But it doesn't have to be sexist to say so. One could just as easily be of the opinion that Bill Clinton is a political whore, though saying so would also not necessarily be the best way to change any minds. Anyway, not all four of these terms are equivalent to each other.

[NashVegas]

33. My. Fucking. Lord.

You just proved the point of every offended woman on DU, and you probably don't even know how.

[Buzz Clik]

45. Let me join that club: They aren't equivalent. If you're offended, I don't give a damn.

Calling someone a whore is offensive as hell, and Randi Rhodes was out of line. But a whore is a whore is a whore, and being a whore has nothing to do with being female.

[NashVegas]

48. And You Don't Know, Either

[Buzz Clik]

74. I most certainly know, because I use three of those four words.

And I use them surgically and precisely to convey an exact meaning.

The "c" word is bigtime sexist. I reserve that one for special targets, but I won't use it here.

The "b" word is more of a gender-specific insult. I can't use that one, but I would if I could.

Calling someone a whore has nothing to do with gender. Period. I've called at least 20 times more males a whore than females. And all of them were whores (not sex workers, but definition three: those who are willing to compromise their morals for a gain.)

[NashVegas]

76. Okies

And all you do is continue to prove the point, that has uncounted numbers of women - both Clinton and Obama supporters alike - highly upset. We expect it from Republicans ...

[Political Heretic]

90. I really don't care. Calling whore equivalent to n*gger is utterly ridiculous.

If that "proves" the "point" of every "offended woman" on DU, then it also makes a point about how seriously we should take the criticisms of offended DUers.

It's interesting... I was talking tonight to my best friend - masters in women's studies, african-american woman - about some of the debates in this place. And she found this one to be particularly absurd. She made a point that I would have never thought of...so I made a note of it. She said that arguments like this that try to make calling someone a "political whore" for their actions equivalent with calling someone a n*gger for their skin color are an example of how upper middle class white women have skewed and distorted the feminist movement by their narrow understanding of female experiences or the real issues that constitute patriarchical society.

[question everything]

58. You did not really mean it, did you?

Ever heard of the term "context?"

Now try to find the dictionary definition of a boy and then tell me that if anyone will call Obama "boy" it will mean nothing.

And then view the photos from 1968, repeated the other day, again, of the people in Memphis with their placards saying "I am a man"

[Political Heretic]

91. Context works in my favor in this case, not yours.

Finding a context in which whore would ever be equivalent to nigger is going to be tough... but good luck.

[krkaufman]

84. You lost me at 'bitch'

No one trying to rationally discuss the issue can believe that any except the 2nd context for 'bitch' applies to the discussion.

1: "female of the dog" -- nothing need be said
3: "something..." -- negates its applicability to a person. (e.g. this job is a bitch)
4: "complaint" -- also inanimate (e.g. I've got a bitch to discuss with you)

The only applicable context is the 2nd...

2 a: a lewd or immoral woman b: a malicious, spiteful, or overbearing woman —sometimes used as a generalized term of abuse

'bitch' *is* problematic, being both gender-specific and explicitly derogatory, so your post goes awry from there.


edit: p.s. I understand that each of the words has a varying degree of acceptability depending upon the context, but the discussion is within a single context negating much of the variance. (And no one involved is a veterinarian.)

[MonkeyFunk]

25. great post

too many people here - and elsewhere - feel their dislike entitles them to behave like assholes.

It doesn't.

[moriah]

27. As far as bitch is concerned...

I think we ought to reclaim it for ourselves.

I spent several years learning how to "be a bitch" -- aka stand up for myself, protect the people I cared about who needed me, not take a bunch of crap, etc.

More women need to learn how to embrace their inner bitch.

[Hepburn]

34. Agree....

...I see NOTHING wrong with being a good bitch. In fact, I am very proud of my ability to do this. People IMO have to remember there are "good bitches" and there are "bad bitches." The problem is that some think the two terms are synonymous!

[Buzz Clik]

46. I'd really like the word "bitch" to become fair game at DU again.

The only thing that keeps me from calling a few dozen people on this board "a raging bitch" is the desire not to be banned.

Start a petition. I'll sign.

[question everything]

59. As with "ho" and, yes, the "N" word, it is different

if the group at which the term is hurled is using it or if outsiders do.

I knew a place where professional women formed a group called Girls, Inc. (or something like that).

And this is the point of my OP - that too many idiots take this opportunity to use these terms as means of offending and demeaning women, women who, perhaps, are not as assertive to tell the offending boss: yes, I am a bitch, you have a problem with that?

Which is why when Tina Fey used it it was powerful, but when that black dude did, it was pathetic. (OK, it helps if a writer talks or just any other comedian),

[Syrinx]

28. the whole X-Word thing is downright silly

And it was started by a shyster successfully defending a double murderer.

[Freedom Train]

29. Quite poignant...

I mentioned how men feel free to hurl "iron my shirt" and "make me a sandwich" at Hillary, to loud applause. But no one is telling Obama to "shine my shoes." Oohhh, jumped my friend. There will be blood in the street.

The hypocrisy is sickening. There should be blood in the streets over the blatant sexism too; it's sad, troubling, and a stain on the Democratic Party that it gets a free pass from many who supposedly adhere to liberal and progressive ideals.

[Writer]

30. This is a thought that has certainly entered my mind over the last few months.

But male chauvinism has never left the workplace!

I don't like to talk about it a lot, but I dealt with a very serious sexual harassment matter about ten years ago. I survived, but sharing my experience with other women suddenly opened my eyes to how many women have dealt with similar situations: firings for pregnancies... quid pro quo firings... I couldn't believe how many women have experienced a terrible situation dealing with their gender. And THEY REMAIN SILENT ON THE ISSUE.

Now this was the 1990's... I do not want to think about what will happen after this.

[PeaceNikki]

47. There are a few people right here on this board who will vehemently argue

that male chauvinism does not exist in the workplace.

I am not one of them.

I am sorry you experienced it firsthand.

[Writer]

63. So many people have experienced it... it really was an eye-opening experience...

to the state of gender relations in this country.

[DS1]

36. WBCN - The Rock of Boston

AWESOME!


www.wbcn.com

[SoxFan]

78. ROTFL

You beat me to it! That's what I thought of when I read the OP!

[Mezzo]

39. Even SC was a swiftboat job by the Obama camp, THEY are playing the race card. nt

[Buzz Clik]

43. EDIT: Oops. Somebody already asked the question and got it answered.

[Buzz Clik]

44. Sorry to burst the bubble, but "whore" is not gender specific.

It's an insult, but it has nothing to do with being female.

[Swamp Rat]

49. You left out the part about how "Rush the Limp" calls Obama a "halfrican" and the "Magic Negro."

It should have been mentioned to be more "Fair and Balanced" in the reporting.

[question everything]

61. I am proud to be ignorant of what Rush and Orally and Hannity say

but I do mind what members on DU say, and what, yes, reporters and columnists who were considered to be on "our side" do.

Has anyone on DU used these terms? Has anyone said - as many upstream have - that such terms are not offensive?

Why should I introduce terms from the far right that no one, besides them, use?

You have a very strange sense of what is "fair and balanced."

[Swamp Rat]

67. "You have a very strange sense of what is "fair and balanced."" - Speak for yourself.

[SoCalDem]

50. W? wuss?.. Dubya? weasel?

:shrug:

[OzarkDem]

55. K&R

:kick:

[Orsino]

60. It's a lovely thought, but the n-word is being used about Obama, too.

None of these words belongs.

[question everything]

62. On DU? On CNN? MSNBC? Air America?

By any one calling himself a Democrat or a Liberal?

The others words are.

[Orsino]

66. I guess I'm glad I'm not watching those networks.

Wasn't aware that Air America was using them, either.

[BlooInBloo]

68. Sure, as long as we pretend that 800,000 hits is "no one". I'll leve the googling to you.

[L0oniX]

71. I wonder what George Carlin would say....7 censored words and all?

http://blogzarro.com/?p=226

[DarienComp]

72. to loud applause?

I seem to remember the "iron my shirt" douchebags were roundly booed, and rightfully so.

[JAbuchan08]

75. To be brutally frank.

whores and bitches exist. I don't know any "niggers."

[Rosa Luxemburg]

82. you won't have to worry any longer about this

when Hillary is a spent force and drops out.