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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 11:24 PM
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Barack Obama in suspended animation
I found this article very interesting.

The front-runner is trapped in an unchanging race that will be hard for him to lose -- but is proving impossible for him to end.

In a black zippered Barack Obama '08 sweatshirt, with the downtown skyline hovering outside his 11th-floor office window, David Axelrod tried to imagine where the presidential campaign might be right now if a persistent foe named Hillary Clinton did not exist. "Obviously, we'd be focused on McCain and the general . And to some extent we've got to be doing that right now," said Axelrod, the architect of Obama's rise from upstart challenger to the odds-on favorite for the Democratic nomination. "Remember we were already into the general at this point four years ago."

But Axelrod and the rest of the Obama high command are also realists. They radiate the quiet confidence that Obama will be the nominee and the fatalistic acceptance that the timetable requires patience. They understand that in the April 22 Pennsylvania primary, virtually every demographic cohort of this largely white, middle-aged and older, non-college-educated, economically hard-pressed electorate favors Clinton. Despite Obama's delegate lead (the Washington Post gives him a 134-vote edge with just eight state primaries to go), the finish line still shimmers in the distance. "The fundamentals of the race haven't changed," Axelrod said. "But there are cards to be played before anyone makes a decision. This can go on for a while."

Indeed it can, although the promise by Amy Poehler channeling Hillary Clinton on "Saturday Night Live" to keep campaigning until "after the Inauguration" may be an exaggeration. After all, never in modern political history has a candidate in Clinton's predicament -- trailing, but having won more than 45 percent of the delegates in the primaries and caucuses -- not taken the fight all the way to the convention floor. Maybe if Clinton fails to win either the Indiana or North Carolina primaries on May 6, the former first lady might feel compelled to convene a Washington press conference to make "an important political announcement." Or possibly, as some in the Obama camp privately hope, Clinton (who is no longer claiming to be raising $1 million a day) will run out of money before the primaries end with a whimper June 3 in South Dakota and Montana.

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These days, Hillary Clinton seems propelled by both Scarlett O'Hara's dogged denial ("Tomorrow is another day") and the cockeyed optimism of Mr. Micawber ("Something will turn up") in "David Copperfield." But this week, all that has turned up for the New York senator has been more bad news. Her campaign planned the Friday afternoon document dump of the Clintons' tax returns at the shank end of a slow political news week. The couple's post-White House income of $109 million signified buck-raking that is hard to camouflage. Particularly eye-popping was the $15.4 million that Bill Clinton received for unspecified work from Ron Burkle's Yucaipa investment firm, which boasts the ruler of Dubai as a major investor. Probably more harmful was the news that campaign strategist and pollster Mark Penn met with Colombian officials last week to plot how to win congressional passage of a free-trade agreement that candidate Clinton fervently opposes. Penn insisted that he was acting in his capacity as the CEO of Burson-Marsteller. And it turned out to be a good thing for Penn that he had never given up his lucrative day job, since Sunday night the Clinton campaign announced that he had stepped down (or, in truth, been pushed out) as chief strategist. Even the fig leaf that Penn would still be providing polling services to the Clinton campaign was undermined by the recent recruitment of a rival pollster, Geoff Garin.

Much more at link

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/04/07/obama/
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 11:28 PM
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1. Thanks
That's a good read. :)
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 11:30 PM
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2. He spent his career in the state senate that way too, while everybody
else did the work.

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 11:32 PM
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3. We know, we know.....meanwhile, Hillary was busy dodging bullets!
Got it! :thumbsdown:
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 11:33 PM
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4. Of course voting "present' sure is hard work.
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 11:35 PM
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5. So Is Emulating Jon Lovitz...
"Yeah, that's the ticket!"
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 11:39 PM
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7. as is running for cover, with child in tow, dodging sniperfire....nt
and Mark Penn's certainly been busy hasn't he? He's a hardworker just like Hillary. hhhmmmm......
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 11:53 PM
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14. yes--300 out of 4,000. n/t
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 12:13 AM
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20. of course saying
voting "present" sure is hard work, is easy when you don't look into the facts.

A vote of present means that you neither agree or disagree with a bill. It signifies that, there are parts of the bill that you like, but you can't give it your full support without ammendments. It calls for further talks.
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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:30 AM
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23. This old chestnut represents an astounding lack of ability to think critically.
Had you been listening ANY of the times that the "present" vote in the Illinois state legislature was explained you wouldn't be saying this.

Then again, Hillary supporters are all about the world being black and white, good and evil--gee, who does that remind me of.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 11:35 PM
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6. ROFL!
...Touche!
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Noirceuil Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 11:43 PM
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8. Obama will lose the general election...
How anyone can think this guy will win OH, PA, MI, or FL with a limited understanding of economic policy, a foreign policy that simply consists of "withdraw", a racist, hateful minister, and a mouthful of empty rhetoric is beyond me. Every poll I have seen suggests Obama will lose these states to McCain by an embarrassingly large margin. In November, all of the Obamists will be on this site crying about racism and how John McCain stole the election, when the truth is Obama is a prissy elitist and a deeply flawed candidate who has no appeal or solutions for the average American. Hillary is the only logical choice for Democrats!
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 11:50 PM
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10. That's the DLC "big state" strategy
Edited on Sun Apr-06-08 11:57 PM by rocknation
which hasn't worked for the Dems in nearly ten years. Hillary can't beat McCain on experience, supporting labor or opposing the war. And McCain has some hateful ministers and other flaws of his own, dont'cha know.

:headbang:
rocknation
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 11:51 PM
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11. Here is a very contradictory set of polls:
http://www.electoral-vote.com/

all he needs to do at this point is hold on to what he has, by the projections, and win one more state, such as Colorado (which is currently a tie), and we regain the WH!

So keep the criticism down a bit, please, or save it for the other party. Note: Hillary is similarly positioned.
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 11:52 PM
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12. Being Originally From St. Louis...
I recognize the delusion of Cub fans.
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 11:53 PM
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13. I'm getting lot of use out of this one tonight.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 11:55 PM
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15. Uh-huh
Edited on Sun Apr-06-08 11:55 PM by JVS
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 11:55 PM
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16. "Obama is a prissy elitist" and Hilbo Balboa will KICK HIS ASS! ...HUZZAH!!1
:D



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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 12:01 AM
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17. could you explain some of these terms please?
Prissy elitist--how is he that, exactly? What makes him "prissy", and what makes him "elitist"?

Deeply flawed--what flaws?

No appeal? Are you kidding??

No solutions? You haven't heard any of his solutions--then you are not listening.

How is he somehow less able to relate to the "average American" than Hillary is? She's far, far richer. She's worth 34 million. He's worth 1 million.

Why isn't Obama a logical choice too? Seems logical enough to me.

He is out-fundraising Grandpa McCain five to one, and that's splitting the Dem money with Hillary. Why shouldn't he have a shot at winning the general? Why can't he win?

If Edwards were in his place right now, would you say the same thing about him? If not, then you can guess what I think you are.
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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 12:06 AM
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18. They're giving Maddy a car
Check it out!:hi:
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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:23 AM
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22. Yeah, because those four states are the only ones that matter.
Uh huh. Sure.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 11:47 PM
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9. "The easiest way to end the contest is if ordinary Democrats in...states like Pennsylvania
said to themselves, '...(T)hough I like Hillary a bit better, I'm going to vote for Obama to finish this thing off.' So far there is no evidence...that voters are willing to give up a choice to achieve...closure...(M)ost voters do not check the polls every morning, nor do they watch the endless parade of TV talkers explaining how, because of proportional representation, there is virtually no way that Clinton can catch up in pledged delegates to Obama, even if she sweeps most of the remaining primaries."

I agree that most people do want this to end quickly. But if they're switching for Obama just to achieve that closure, it's more likely that they're being propelled by dissatisfaction with Hillary's most recent campaign tactics. As for the "TV talkers," I've heard only one--Chuck Todd of MSNBC--actually state that for all practical purposes, the Dem primary season is over.

:headbang:
rocknation
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 12:08 AM
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19. the media wants it to go on and on--but it's a good thing.
I think they give a lot of people the impression that it's a 50-50 split right now. Which it isn't. And they don't get the math. The only one who can end this is Hillary. She'll do it when she runs out of money or finally believes she won't win.

Meanwhile she's a good stalking horse for Obama and he's getting to be a better and better candidate. By the general election he'll be primed and ready to finish off the competition very easily.

Thanks Hil, for all your hard work. It's making Obama a better Dem candidate.
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:20 AM
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21. KIcked For The Morning
:kick:
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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 08:00 AM
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24. This is the most salient point to me
After all, never in modern political history has a candidate in Clinton's predicament -- trailing, but having won more than 45 percent of the delegates in the primaries and caucuses -- not taken the fight all the way to the convention floor.

>>> As a historical first, it is a lot to ask Hillary to quit when no man has done so. I think the same would be true of Obama.
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