It's 3AM: If HRC isn't alert enough to know top strategists ACTIVELY work Colombia trade deal

[blm]

then WHY would she make a GREAT president for this nation that needs to be aware of EVERYTHING that is going ON around the world at 3 AM, let alone what's going on in our own backyards at 3 AM?

Wouldn't this kinda be like hiring someone to deal with global terrorism that is funded through international networks of drugrunners, armsdealers, and nuclear proliferators but who also claimed he never noticed the years of CIA Drugrunning operations of Poppy Bush's that were going through an airport in the small state he GOVERNED for years?

(Nod to Yael)

[bobthedrummer]

1. In one word, blm-Mena.

[tyne]

2. Does anyone have

a link to current and/or past Hill statements in regards to this trade deal?

[bobthedrummer]

6. I don't, besides HRC is a known liar. Mena, know any history about that, tyne?

[blm]

5. Word.

Exactly.

[bobthedrummer]

21. "The Activities at Mena" ( from What Really Happened.com)

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/MENA/mena.html

"Gray Money" Arkansas Development and Finance Authority scandal investigation (by the staff of the Ozark Gazette-archived all over the internet)
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/MENA/gray_money.html

"Cooking the Insurance Books: A Decade of Lax Regulation Lays Groundwork for Scandal" by Lucy Komisar (11-17-2004 Corp Watch)
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=11657

[bobthedrummer]

82. another well placed kick before midnight...

[bobthedrummer]

85. And one after midnight kick...

[whistle]

3. Actually it is exactly that and Dubya's statement on the Colombian Free Trade deal

...today attests to that

[NightWatcher]

4. If she'd run the country like she's run her campaign, I say No Thanks

[JayFredMuggs]

49. That's exactly why she should not get the nomination!

She's a disaster in motion.

[LittleClarkie]

7. Would that be why the person in question stymied the investigations of a certain Senator?

Eesh.

[blm]

9. You mean, closed the books on the criminal operations to cover what might be his OWN connections

to that criminal operation as the governor who obeyed the president who told him to look the other way?

Yep.

[tyne]

8. I wonder if

Hillary will make the mistake of coming out and claiming she didn't know about their relationships to Colombia.

Think she will?

[blm]

13. I think that's standard operating procedures for 'THAT' type of politician.

The type that really believes their own supporters are stupid and will lie to them easier than teens lie to their parents.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

10. Yet Goolsby is an absolute outrage!

:grr:

[blm]

18. They better renew their scripts for that empty bottle of Feign-Feign.

.

[flpoljunkie]

11. Why is the media silent about the hypocrisy of Hillary hiring someone like Penn while professing to

be against the Columbia trade deal. Why don't they do their job?

[blm]

30. They ARE doing their job - same fascists paying them have been paying Penn for decades, now.

It's their job to pretend we're a democracy.

Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton Inc. But, more of us are wise enough and finally fed up enough to try and stop it.

[bobthedrummer]

33. Investigative journalists and reporters have been killed, like others looking into the criminal acts

HRC was stating the truth when she spoke of a VRWC-she left out how her and her husband were partners in it--what we call the BFEE.

[Whisp]

80. Lou Dobbs talked about this a bit yesterday.

I was expecting him to blow his top over the story of the Colombian free trade thing - and also the money Bill got from Dubai.
This is exactly what he is railing about most of the time.

but no.
barely a mention and no spittle involved.

what a traitor. worried about the middle class, my ass.

[bobthedrummer]

81. Full spectrum dominance RW political mind control media-sounds really nuts--at first...

there's a lot of conditioned responses and denial about the semantics---the fact is Mark Penn types don't give a damn about reality at all they ignore it in favor of "influencers".

Here's an archived thread that discussed this systemic aberration that might be helpful:

"Reality vs. perception management: the tinfoil controversy" (started 1-6-2006)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x71919

Here's a very deep article from Robert Parry about the consequences of politicizing the truth and reality

"Losing the War for Reality" by Robert Parry (4-8-2008 Consortium News)
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2008/040708.html

[Texas Hill Country]

12. i have to admit, this is bad.

[Mooney]

47. Yup.

It's bad. But I think it's bad in the sense that it just kind of throws a little more gasoline on the fire. It's not enough to sink the campaign on its own. It's not the type of scandal that really grabs hold of the public's attention. In my opinion, it's a little too "inside baseball."

I think a lot of people just aren't compelled by behind-the-scenes/conflict-of-interest-type stuff like this. This is why the "scandals" that the right wing manufactured against Bill Clinton never really took off. Who the fuck cared about the travel office? Or "file-gate"? It had to be a blow job to get people's attention.

[blm]

54. Those 'scandals' were manufactured to divert attention from all the deep-sixing

of BCCI matters and CIA drugrunning operations that Poppy Bush and his cronies were involved with and who found protection from the cooperative Clinton WH.

Whitewater was the SMOKESCREEN set up to get INTO Rose Law Firm and scrub it clean for its biggest client, Jackson Stephens, who brought BCCI into this country with GHWBush.

Since Stephens also propelled the Clintons careers and underwrote Bill's primary campaign, taking the heat on the manufactured diversionary scandals for him and for GHWBush were a small price to pay for the WH.

[bobthedrummer]

87. Say it loud-kick

[Yael]

14. They didn't tell her at 3am?

[blm]

15. LOLOLOL.......that says it all, doesn't it?

.

[Ian_rd]

16. SLAM DUNK!

:spank:

[blm]

17. heh - want a writing partner?

;0

[TheDonkey]

19. Hillary is unelectable. All her "attacks" will be used very effectively against her.

Your message line is a classic example. It's 3AM, Do you really want Hillary picking up that phone?

[blm]

23. "Some say' the RNC is auditioning Lewinsky lookalikes to pick up that ringing phone

Now why SHOULD the Dem party have to go through that again when there is a clear, attractive alternative?

[JeffR]

20. K & R!

Well played!

[Tatiana]

22. She knew, as did many DUers.

How could you retain the services of a PR outfit like the one Penn heads and NOT know about said firm's clients?

People on DU were talking about Burson-Marsteller's abhorrent clientele last year.

RIP CorpGovActivist, who http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=2299552">was all over Penn's http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=2302692">slimy shenanigans.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=2356341">Burson-Marsteller Announces a Worldwide Agreement to Represent Death

Additionally, back in October of last year, Bluebear also http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1989034">brought Penn and his firm to our attention posting abouthttp://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1990587">"Penn, Schoen and Berland has played pioneering role in the use of..exit polls to facilitate coups."

In May of last year, from http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=855631">Dr. Phool:

Here's a guy with ties to Lee Atwater, Willie Horton, Dick Morris, Big Tobacco, Big Pharma, Union Busting, Republican lobbying firms, and also a major DLC sponsor. I found the original link to the Nation article at TPM, where there's a lot more.

Why Hillary Clinton would want someone like this as her "chief strategist" is beyond me. She knew what he was involved with and didn't care, plain and simple.

[blm]

26. Penn is exactly who Bill and Hillary Clinton are - firing him is same as firing themselves.

The whole lot of Closed government Democrats need to take a permanent vacation away from DC and away from our nation's governance.

[crankychatter]

24. if she was secrety against NAFTA when she said she was FOR it

Then maybe she's secretly FOR the Columbian deal while saying she's against it...


is she wiley coyote?

[blm]

28. Was Wiley Coyote a fascist enabler willing to say anything to gullible followers?

.

[FrenchieCat]

25. She was busy putting on her make up and doing her hair......

she said herself that she has to be alloted more time for that....cause it's just not fair! :cry:

[bobthedrummer]

27. Kick

[FightingIrish]

29. Incompetence you can Xerox

[PresidentObama]

31. Alert enough? She's ready from day one!! Lol.

[AtomicKitten]

32. I heard Bill Clinton was the catalyst in the three lobbying firms for Colombia being Clintonites.

In fact, Bill Clinton is alleged at the time of his meeting with Colombia to have made a phone call soliciting support for the impending free trade agreement with Colombia.

I love it when politicians get caught with their hand in the cookie jar.

[blm]

34. Glad to have you in the trenches - amazing how much smokescreens can obscure, eh?

The smoke has been worn thin, at this point.

[AtomicKitten]

36. It's really pretty spectacular as it unfolds.

It's out loud now and tough to deny.

The truth is long overdue.

[Lucky 13]

35. Bingo.

She's one or the other:

She's either completely incompetent and dense if she didn't know that about her own campaign people...

OR

She knew what was going on all along and she's not incompetent or dense, just deceitful and shameless.


So which is it?

[mod mom]

37. Bill Clinton has been working on his own Colombia Deal:

When the Clintons Mine Big Bucks
By Steve Weissman
t r u t h o u t | Perspective

Thursday 03 April 2008

-snip

In June 2005, Giustra provided his luxurious MD-87 jet for Clinton to make speeches in Mexico, Colombia, Chile and Brazil. According to Bloomberg News, the tour earned Clinton $800,000 in personal income. Giustra "has since put his plane at Clinton's disposal at least a dozen times to raise money for charity, his wife's presidential campaign or himself," Bloomberg reported.

American law does not permit Giustra, as a Canadian, to contribute directly to Hillary Clinton's campaign. Whether providing his plane to raise campaign money counts as a contribution, I leave to the legal eagles.

A far more telling payoff involved Colombia, which has long faced international condemnation for its well-documented violations of labor and other human rights. In the oval office and after, Bill Clinton never let this get in his way, steadfastly backing a free trade agreement with the country along with a $3 billion "Plan Colombia" to fight drug traffickers and guerrillas. As he publicly told Colombian President Alvaro Uribe and others in Bogota, he was "absolutely convinced that it was vital to American interests that Colombia succeed" against the left-wing narcotraficantes.

In September 2005, Clinton hosted "a philanthropic event" at which one of his aides arranged for Giustra to meet Uribe. According to The Wall Street Journal, the two men sat in the hallway speaking for about ten minutes. A Clinton aide later told Giustra the meeting had gone well.

Giustra wanted Colombian oil. He was working with a Canadian group that subsequently paid more than $250 million to operate oil fields in conjunction with Colombia's state-owned petroleum company. Giustra's associates - now operating as Pacific Rubiales Energy Corp. - also signed an oil pipeline deal and was invited to do further oil-development work in Colombia, the Journal reported.

-snip

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/040308R.shtml




Also, Bill Clinton has a friendship with President Uribe to the extent that he was invited as the honoree of the "Colombia Is Passion" award. Bill Clinton returned the favor by hosting Uribe as a “featured attendee” at the Clinton Global Initiative annual meeting in New York last September.

More information can be found at Al Giordiano's report here:

http://narconews.com/Issue52/article3055.html



U.S. INTELLIGENCE LISTED COLOMBIAN PRESIDENT URIBE AMONG "IMPORTANT COLOMBIAN NARCO-TRAFFICKERS" IN

U.S. INTELLIGENCE LISTED COLOMBIAN PRESIDENT URIBE AMONG
"IMPORTANT COLOMBIAN NARCO-TRAFFICKERS" IN 1991

Then-Senator "Dedicated to Collaboration with the Medellín Cartel at High Government Levels"


Confidential DIA Report Had Uribe Alongside Pablo Escobar, Narco-Assassins

Uribe "Worked for the Medellín Cartel" and was a "Close Personal Friend of Pablo Escobar"



Washington, D.C., 1 August 2004 - Then-Senator and now President Álvaro Uribe Vélez of Colombia was a "close personal friend of Pablo Escobar" who was "dedicated to collaboration with the Medellín cartel at high government levels," according to a 1991 intelligence report from U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) officials in Colombia. The document was posted today on the website of the National Security Archive, a non-governmental research group based at George Washington University.

Uribe's inclusion on the list raises new questions about allegations that surfaced during Colombia's 2002 presidential campaign. Candidate Uribe bristled and abruptly terminated an interview in March 2002 when asked by Newsweek reporter Joseph Contreras about his alleged ties to Escobar and his associations with others involved in the drug trade. Uribe accused Contreras of trying to smear his reputation, saying that, "as a politician, I have been honorable and accountable."

The newly-declassified report, dated 23 September 1991, is a numbered list of "the more important Colombian narco-traffickers contracted by the Colombian narcotic cartels for security, transportation, distribution, collection and enforcement of narcotics operations." The document was released by DIA in May 2004 in response to a Freedom of Information Act request submitted by the Archive in August 2000.

The source of the report was removed by DIA censors, but the detailed, investigative nature of the report -- the list corresponds with a numbered set of photographs that were apparently provided with the original -- suggests it was probably obtained from Colombian or U.S. counternarcotics personnel. The document notes that some of the information in the report was verified "via interfaces with other agencies."

More:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB131/index.htm

[bobthedrummer]

39. Fwiw, mod mom: "Colombian Paramilitaries and the United States:

Unraveling the Pepes Tangled Web" National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book 243 posted 2-17-2008
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB243/index.htm

[bobthedrummer]

38. Another kick

[ORDem]

40. K

:kick:

[Life Long Dem]

41. Shute! At 3:00 AM Hillary and Penn are both probably still wired.

[ecdab]

42. Let's not forget Penn's work for union busters and Blackwater security

either.

How about a 3am phone call to help a union or a 3 am phone call when blackwater has killed some more civilians in Iraq.

[blm]

44. Excellent point - wish I had it in the OP.

.

[bobthedrummer]

43. k

[bigtree]

45. Did Obama know his folks were telling Canada his NAFTA plan was just paper?

Did he know his top military adviser on Iraq wants to commit more troops there, instead of the withdrawal he's promised??

[blm]

52. Did Bill KNOW his top MONEYMEN were protected when he deep-sixed BCCI matters?

Why YES HE DID.

But you NEED to pretend he didn't and it was all just naive decisionmaking.

That NAIVE decisionmaking certainly has been paying off for Clintons by the tens of millions from those protected by those NAIVE decisions of Bill's, eh?

[MyNameGoesHere]

46. It's 20 years and Obama did not know his pastor was a hate America

minister. 20 years and he had no idea. He has no idea who Rezco is. And he can't remember if he voted on issues or not. So in my book both are idiots and should not be elected.

[blm]

55. Wright doesn't hate America any more than MLK or most Dem voters here at DU who also

believe - at least 95% here - that BushInc was aware that a huge terror event was going to happen and did nothing to stop it.

Try reading the National security Archives - there may be a few reports in there that back up Mr. Wright and those Dems and Independent voters who believe similarly that 9-11 was preventable but BushInc wanted and NEEDED it to happen.

[MyNameGoesHere]

59. yes by all means "godamn America" Hey whatever you need to justify it

have at it.

[bobthedrummer]

60. You're thinking you haven't got a prayer, aren't you? No hope? eom

[MyNameGoesHere]

61. There you go again

How did you know? Why i was just sitting here with a shotgun in my mouth and Whamo you predicted it... Really you are seriously out there.

[bobthedrummer]

62. "Meet Hillary's Religious Leader, Rightwingnut Doug Coe" (archived Stephanie thread 3-14-2008)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5071798

[MyNameGoesHere]

71. Of course

she attends his church all the time. And listens to his "Goddamn America" sermons. Well there ya go.

[bobthedrummer]

76. I think you have processing deficits or something LibFromWV-I don't have anyone on ignore

here--but I'm not going to respond to your distorted perceptions of reality anymore, there just isn't any point to it.

Bob

[MyNameGoesHere]

77. Well Drummer Bob i guess you

are not one of those unity types. You may want to turn that cross upside down now. And yes it is my reality and i will distort it as i see fit. But thanks for the faux concern.

[blm]

65. Are You still FOR the Iraq war or did America screw up BIGTIME while hundreds of thousand Iraqis

are dead and dying because of it?

If America's government killed hundreds of thousands needlessly and lied to do it, don't you think America deserves damning every now and then?

[bobthedrummer]

68. The Human Cost of the War in Iraq: A Mortality Study 2002-2006

Hundreds of thousands of people that were living in Iraq (pdf from MIT/John Hopkins/Iraqi team)
http://web.mit.edu/humancostiraq/reports/human-cost-war-101106.pdf

[MyNameGoesHere]

72. yes i go out everyday and chant

"WAR WAR WAR" "I LOVE WAR" Is your real name Richard Cranium?

[redqueen]

48. How did she not see through White House's Iraq/Al Qaeda connection lies?

:shrug:

[blm]

56. Bill was feeding bad info to Hillary, too?

Or was SHE helping him pass that bad info on to other Senate Dems?

[redqueen]

57. No idea... but it sure worries me...

whichever way I look at it.

[bobthedrummer]

50. k

[bobthedrummer]

51. kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii cccccccc kkkkkkkkk

[TexasObserver]

53. It's 3 AM. Who do you want NOT answering the call from Hillary's creditors?

"Bill, will you get that? I still have two hours of putting on foundation with a putty knife before my appearance on Morning Joe!"

[uponit7771]

58. I'm holding out for her, I think Penn lied to her...he had to...he's ruined her chances for becoming

...prez

[blm]

66. Penn AND Howard AND her husband Bill all LIED to her about Colombia?

And you STILL want her as president?

[bobthedrummer]

67. That's why they had pictures taken of themselves with Jorge Cabrera

a source of campaign cash, and other support, before Jorge was busted for tons of Colombian cocaine...

[elehhhhna]

63. honey, she doesn't even know what (who?) her husband's doing at 3 P.M.!

[bobthedrummer]

64. 4:42 PM kick

[Cha]

69. hilary knows all the dirt but acts like she

knows nothing which sounds accurate if you discount the dirt.

[beachmom]

70. I saw Jeb Bush last year, and he was a big promotor of Colombia

Boy, he loved the government in Colombia. So the Bush family is on board with the rulers of Colombia. And now we learn that Bill Clinton was in Colombia in 2005 promoting a trade deal in exchange for $800K in speaking fees:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/8/155951/7982/918/492329

Very interesting.

[bobthedrummer]

74. Yep.

[blm]

78. I don't see why Dems are slow to figure how closely Bushes and Clintons are entwined.

.

[workinclasszero]

73. Hillary: Idiot or liar?

I guess we all have to make that call.

Either Hillary is smart enough to know what her top campaign operative is up to and looked the other way or she is an idiot.

I vote for looked the other way because secretly now, she is a free trader herself. back in the day she was the head cheerleader for NAFTA, the first shot in the war on the middle class.

[EFerrari]

75. And that her family has profited from promoting a deal with a killer.

This is beyond disgusting.

[bobthedrummer]

79. There is quite a list of killers, torturers, drug cartel leaders, slavers, etc. to choose from-or do

you mean Uribe, Beth? Jorge Cabrera, Ng Lap Seng, Chung Lo, Roger Tamraz, Vadim Rabinovich, Grigory Loutchansky, Aslan Abashidze, Yah Lin "Charlie" Trie, Marc Rich-I agree, there is a pattern that is beyond disgusting. It's criminal corruption.

[bobthedrummer]

83. .

[bobthedrummer]

84. Kick

[bobthedrummer]

86. It's almost 3PM-a good time to kick this bttt

[bobthedrummer]

88. kick

[bobthedrummer]

89. kick

[bobthedrummer]

90. ^

[IndianaGreen]

91. She is probably passed out drunk by 3 AM

It's not just the way she downed that shot of Canadian whiskey, and the joke she made about having a few, it is also that drinking contest she had with McCain.

[bobthedrummer]

92. kick