Scarborough and Pat Buchanan supporting Hillary

[TheDonkey]

That's a serious issue. Seriously. These guys are creeps they want democrats to lose yet are going on and on about how much they like to cheer for Hillary. Pat compares Hillary favorably to NIXON of all people.

Sick. But Hillary went on air a few minutes ago and just lapped it all up. If she thinks for a minute that these two would be praising her in the general election then she is insane.

Very sad to see these rethugs licking their chops because the mess our primary has become because Hillary refuses to campaign cleanly and accept the voters' will.

[noel711]

1. I don't think so... wait a few more minutes...

they are acting like 'lap dogs' because she condescended
to appear on Joe's show...

the 'niceness' will go away soon, stay tuned....

So they let Pat Buchanan out of his coffin today
because of the War Hearings, and they need a hawk?

He was in hiding during the MLK commemoration...

[Skidmore]

41. No, they want Hillary in.

They've stated this before. She is the preferred candidate for the Rs.

[Life Long Dem]

68. And Hillary wants in no matter what?

[Honeycombe8]

115. No. I watch Morning Joe every morning. He and Pat B. want Hill to be the nominee.

I've said this before, and repeated it, but I'll repeat it (again). As Pat Buchanan let slip a few months ago....when someone asked him what the Republicans plan to do in November because the Republicans seem torn apart....Pat Buchanan laughed and said, "We're counting on Hillary Clinton to bring us together." But he meant it. Really.

Joe means that he wants Hillary to win....really.

A lot of Repubs in the know want the nominee to be Hillary. That is because she is loathed by the right...absolutely hated. Even the Repubs who don't like McCain will run to the polls to vote against her, even if they don't want to vote FOR McCain.

[struck_dumb]

2. She's a politician, you see

of course she made moves to bridge the gap between left and right. I will admit it is odd to think of Pat Buchanan supporting a Clinton. Has he mellowed in his old age?

[Pirate Smile]

6. It shouldn't be any surprise that he really doesn't like the black guy.

[knixphan]

88. no surprise at all - he's a racist bastard.

[Honeycombe8]

118. Oh, you meant Pat Buchanan. I thought you meant Scarborough. Yes, I think...

Buchanan may be racist (although, like so many prejudices, I don't think he realizes it...it's such a part of him, he doesn't recognize his beliefs as prejudices).

[Honeycombe8]

117. It's not Hillary's opponent's race. It's that...it's Hillary's OPPONENT. He was

against ALL of the candidates, except Hill.

Also..not fair to brand him a racist. I've seen no evidence of that.

[DLnyc]

119. Pat Buchanan has flaunted his racism over and over and over.

A small sample of his ravings, from wikipedia:

=======
In 1992, he said: "if we had to take a million immigrants in, say Zulus, next year, or Englishmen, and put them in Virginia, what group would be easier to assimilate and would cause less problems for the people of Virginia?"<77> He says an open Mexican border invites the drug trade, which he does not consider a victimless crime.<78> In Where the Right Went Wrong he claimed "the Communist Chinese government has the secret loyalty of millions of 'overseas Chinese' from Singapore to San Francisco." He also opposes Muslim immigration to the United States and Europe.<79>

Buchanan has vocally criticized large-scale immigration, both legal and illegal, especially coming across the border with Mexico. He supports increased border security and opposes President Bush's proposed guest worker program (which he labels amnesty) for immigrants who are currently in USA illegally.<80>

He states many left-wing Mexican-Americans have a revanchist view on territories lost to the United States in the Mexican-American War. He declares their high birthrates threaten the social cohesion of certain parts of the country. In State of Emergency, he warned that the American Southwest could "become a giant Kosovo", still part of the United States, but Mexican in "language, ethnicity, history and culture."

Buchanan says immigration poses a security risk and porous borders is making America vulnerable to a terrorist attack.
======

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Buchanan#Social_conservatism

As someone said about one of his convention speeches (I think it was '92), "It probably sounded better in the original German."

[elleng]

23. I guess 'mellowed' might be the term;

I think he somehow liberated himself from the neocon-Republicans, and would like to go back to the days of the rational honorable opposition. I don't think he 'supports' Clinton, but probably does want to see fairness prevail.

[Window]

32. No, Buchanan hasn't "mellowed in his old age." He's as rabid as ever.

The GOP just love to see the Dems tearing each other apart...makes it better for their guy McWar.

[Shae]

46. McWar

very fitting. I like it.

[Window]

51. LOL! Thanks.

Peace:thumbsup:

[Changenow]

97. Pat "Whitey" Buchanan

is a pig.

http://www.buchanan.org/blog/?p=969

[mod mom]

3. Bill went on Limbaugh-they are in the "whatever it takes" mode. Verify the vote!

[leftynyc]

26. I can't beleive people are still LYING

about this. This thread will set you straight or you'll just continue to ignore the truth.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5038016

From post 53

First off, if any wingnut talk radio show host ever got a chance to interview Clinton he'd ask all about the clenis. There is no way a wingnut host would lob softballs like that.

Second, there is no crosstalk that would come from an ordinary interview.

Third, Clinton never says hello or good bye to the host, mentions the radio station WBAP or anything else that would identify a live interview.

Fourth: If there really was an interview on Rush Limbaugh There would be more news about it. This is just running on a kook site or two:

http://news.google.com/news?tab=wn&hl=en&ned=us&q=mark+...

We already know from another comment on the thread that identical tapes were run on Limbaugh and WBAP. Isn't that enough to also ask if the whole thing is a hoax? After all this is right wing propganda produced by the biggest liars in the world.

Its very usual for campaigns and PR offices to send out taped sound bites to radio stations. They are often spliced into fake interviews.

[mod mom]

108. Here is the link:

EIB Guest Host While Rush Is Sick
Mark Davis of WBAP Dallas/Ft. Worth

• Mark Interviews Bill Clinton (no, really)
John McCain's Advantage
Obamamania vs. Clinton Era
• WP: Ask Tough Q's? Yes, They Can!
• AP: OH, TX Could Decide Dem Race
• WP: The Blame Game • Polls: RCP

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_030408/home.guest.html

[leftynyc]

109. He was NOT on Rush's show

He did an interview earlier that day that was re-broadcast by Rush's substitute host. If you think it's all the same, why can't you just tell the truth?

[Bake]

81. That's about as stupid as repeating "Obama is a Muslim"

They're both lies.

Bake

[proud2BlibKansan]

4. They moved on and are now praising McCain

I had to turn the channel. These guys are sickening.

[TheDonkey]

7. I have no idea why I am watching this show. It's been so terrible

Scarborough is just awful. That what really makes me sad about their praise of Hillary. They really DO see this as hurting democrats. I don't think someone should kick Hillary out of the race but I hope she knows what she's doing and realizes that McCain is out there not being touched by anyone in the media.

[shaniqua6392]

5. I think they were just being kind and respectful to her.

They have treated Obama and McCain and any other candidates that have been on in the past the same way. I watch that show every morning. I doubt Clinton is fooled by their supposed camaraderie. Contrary to popular belief from Obama supporters, she is no fool. Each of the candidates go on these shows to promote their agenda. It is not a serious issue. McCain rising in the polls while our backs are turned is a serious issue.

[ShortnFiery]

8. Nope, Joe proclaimed "his love" for HRC and has not done so for Barack.

No Joke, Joe's proclaiming his love of the "tough broad" Hillary. Oh so sexy to him. :puke:

Besides, unlike during Barack's experience, Joe Scarborough did NOT squeal "Weeeeee!" when Willie showed HRC bowling gutter balls on Ellen's Show. In fact, NOW, according to Joe, bowling doesn't count.

It's so damn obvious that CERTAIN "media whores" are promoting HRC in order to keep the horse race going for their ratings, if not to directly bolster McCain for the GE.

Tweety is shamelessly BEGGING Clinton to go on his "College Tour" NOW claiming that they'd host HRC *the day before* the Pennsylvania Primary (21st), if ONLY, HRC would agree to go on Tweety's show. Perhaps Obama can get a "time slot" on Keith Olberman's Show later that evening. It would be so nice to see him "short circuit" her last minute antics. ;)

[shaniqua6392]

43. I believe he is being facetious with those proclamations.

I see him joking about it all the time. He is a Republican, albeit a moderate one on most issues. He totally trashed the Clinton's back in the good ol' days when Bill was in office. He can't stand the Clinton's, but he can not express his true feelings on them and retain a balanced approach on his show. Whenever Obama has been on Morning Joe, they all gush over him. The worst gushing was when Huckabee was still running. Tweety just wants what he can't have. Why in God's name would she go on his show? He has been horrible to her for the past several months. I do agree that the entire media wants this "Battle of the Dems" to go on and on though. It has been great for ratings.

[progetto]

66. damn right. Media whores all of them.

I doubt Hillary has forgiven Tweety yet for the crack that she'd be nowhere without Bill and Monica.

[TexasObserver]

9. Republicans want to run against Hillary, and those guys are doing their part.

It's so transparent. They know their only hope of winning the presidency AND congress is for Hillary to be the Democratic nominee.

[durrrty libby]

10. That's bullshit. The repugs are itching to run "God Damn America"

and Weatherman ads, where BO aids and abets terrorists.

It will be comedy gold for them

[totodeinhere]

16. The truth is that the Repukes are divided over whom they want to face in the general election.

Some think Clinton would be easier to beat and some think Obama would. But personally, I think that either Clinton or Obama would kick McCain's ass.

[TexasObserver]

17. They want to run against Hillary, and that is clear.

There's not a scintilla of evidence they want to run against Obama.

No one is urging Republicans to cross over to vote for Obama because he'll be easier to beat in November, as they are Hillary.

Hillary is the great uniter of Republicans. She will do what McCain cannot do, which is motivate the rank and file Republicans. She will also drive indies to vote for McCain. She's very unpopular except for a couple of demographics.

[redqueen]

50. Not only that, but when it comes to Iraq...

she was just as certain that Iraq had ties to Al Qaeda.

She was just as wiling to go tell the WH's lies about Iraq.

[proud2BlibKansan]

19. I think they want to run against Hillary

They really hate her.

[elleng]

24. I hope so,

but they sure need a foreign policy/military V.P., otherwise the people could go straight for McC (and because he's probably suffering from some 'elderly' problems, HIS v.p. will really be serious.)

[redqueen]

49. "and Weatherman ads, where BO aids and abets terrorists."

Excuse me?

Care to back that up?

[durrrty libby]

65. Sure. There have been some radio and TV reports but not from his fluffers

"The earliest known contact between Obama and Ayers was a “meet and greet” at Ayers’ house in Hyde Park – an upper middle class neighborhood on Chicago’s south side. Ben Smith at Politico gives an overview of the time and circumstance of the meeting:

In 1995, State Senator Alice Palmer introduced her chosen successor, Barack Obama, to a few of the district’s influential liberals at the home of two well known figures on the local left: William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn.

While Ayers and Dohrn may be thought of in Hyde Park as local activists, they’re better known nationally as two of the most notorious – and unrepentant – figures from the violent fringe of the 1960s anti-war movement.

Now, as Obama runs for president, what two guests recall as an unremarkable gathering on the road to a minor elected office stands as a symbol of how swiftly he has risen from a man in the Hyde Park left to one closing in fast on the Democratic nomination for president.

In fact, Ayers – unrepentant about bombing his own country as he claims – is an establishment figure in the unreconstructed liberal circles in Hyde Park – a hero to many of the University of Chicago faculty and other Leftists who reside there. This is the district in which Obama ran successfully for state senate.

Ayers and Dohrn are simply the most visible of the far Left supporters who propelled Barack Obama’s early political career. The woman who touted Obama at the Ayers meeting, Alice Palmer, was herself a far Left activist who was into community organizing like Obama. There was Dr. Quentin Young, a radical physician who was quoted in USA Today in 2005 saying “”national health insurance is no longer the best solution, it’s the only solution: All other alternatives have been proven disastrous failures.” According to Ben Smith, Dr. Young describes Ayers and Obama as “friends:”

Neither Ayers nor the Obama campaign would describe the relationship between the two men. Dr. Young described Obama and Ayers as “friends,” but there’s no evidence their relationship is more than the casual friendship of two men who occupy overlapping Chicago political circles and who served together on the board of a Chicago foundation.

But Obama’s relationship with Ayers is an especially vivid milepost on his rise, in record time, from a local official who unabashedly reflected a very liberal district to the leader of national movement based largely on the claim that he can transcend ideological divides.

There were other “encounters” with Ayers over the years, including the fact that both men served on a far Left foundation as board members:

Wondering whether the three may have crossed paths is not speculation. It is a fact that they have. Ayers, Dohrn, and Obama have appeared together at a number of gatherings and academic events.

In November 1997, Ayers and Obama participated in a panel at the University of Chicago entitled, “Should a child ever be called a ‘super predator?’” to debate “the merits of the juvenile justice system”.

In April 2002, Ayers, Dohrn, and Obama, then an Illinois State Senator, participated together at a conference entitled “Intellectuals: Who Needs Them?” sponsored by The Center for Public Intellectuals and the University of Illinois-Chicago. Ayers and Obama were two of the six members of the “Intellectuals in Times of Crisis” panel.

Ayers, “who in the 1960s was a member of the terrorist group Weatherman and a wanted fugitive for over a decade as a result of the group’s bombing campaign,” is currently the Board Chairman of the Woods Fund of Chicago and Obama is a former Board member."


There are hundreds of sources and it will become repub fodder

read more at http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8630.html

[redqueen]

69. ...

:spray:

Oh my God! They were in THE SAME PLACE! Several times even!

And were INTRODUCED! At a PARTY! ZOMG!!1!1111eleventy-one!!11

:rofl:

Thanks... I needed a good laugh. :hi:

[durrrty libby]

75. If you think that is all the repugs got from it, your're dreaming.

[redqueen]

76. Well that's all there is...

but yeah... they're gonna flat-out make shit up about whoever the nominee is.

... duh.

[cliffordu]

83. Hmmmmm

smells like freep spirit:


:hurts:



Ah, what a relief. Prunes, every time!!



:patriot:

[durrrty libby]

86. Must be all that nasty Kool-Aid causing you bowel problems

At least pretend to have some dignity. Keep the stink to yourself

[vi5]

11. She was also just on Fox and Friends...

They unfortunately have that on in the work cafeteria.

Scarborough and Buchanan.....Fox and Friends....in one morning.

I'll abstain from the obvious commentary.

[Barack_America]

47. Shouldn't that result in an immediate disqualification for the Dem nomination?

I mean, really.

[Bake]

82. Same as Obama people pushing a Repub for veep.

Hagel. But of course, "that's different."

You people crack me up.

Bake

[Barack_America]

90. So there's no difference between what supporters do/say and the candidates themselves?

Interesting.

[Bake]

91. No, it's the supporters that I'm talking about

You Obots love it when your Leader reaches out across the aisle, even to the point of pushing a Puke for veep (which, as far as I know, Obama hasn't disavowed). But when Sen. Clinton goes on a RW media outlet, in the hopes of attracting dissatisfied Repub/indie voters, you crucify her.

But wait, the strength of Obama is supposed to be his appeal to Repubs and indies.

Y'all make my head spin with all your spin.

Bake

[Barack_America]

93. Umm, Hillary supporters went batshit crazy when Obama supposedly "praised" Reagan.

Yet Bill goes on Rush Limbaugh and Hillary panders to Fox, Scarbrough AND Richard Mellon Scaife and it's no big deal?

Why the double standard.

BTW, there's a BIG difference between what supporters suggest and what the candidates themselves do.

Also, I don't call Hillary supporters names, so I would appreciate it if you could refrain from calling me names.

[Bake]

95. Why do you keep lying about the Limbaugh thing?

You do know, don't you, that bullshit story has been debunked. A substitute host on Limpballs used a taped Clinton interview from a totally different source.

I think I'll start spreading the "Obama is a Muslim" lie, too. They're about the same. Both lies. If your lie is OK, you shouldn't have a problem with mine.

Bake

[Barack_America]

98. Okay, I'll concede that point. That still leaves Fox, Scarbrough and Scaife...

What say you to that?

[Bake]

105. I say, use whatever medium is necessary to get your message out.

Scaife is the publisher of a major (if RW) newspaper, and all newspapers endorse candidates. In the primaries, they usually endorse one of each party. By all means, seek that paper's endorsement.

As for Scarborough and Fox, I say use whatever medium you can. I watch Joe in the mornings, usually. I never watch Fox, but apparently it has an audience that may include independents and dissatisfied Repubs (which, come to think of it, is one of Obama's supposed strengths, i.e., his crossover appeal to those constituencies).

So no, I don't have a problem with it. I do have a problem with Obots continuing the "Bill went on Rush's show" lie. You don't have to "concede that point," you just have to admit you were wrong about the TRUTH.

Bake

[Barack_America]

106. Actually, please provide me a link to that.

Because I honestly hadn't heard about that (Bill not actually being on Rush's show).

Are the Clintons taking legal action on this? They should if Bill's appearance was that distorted.

[Bake]

107. See post #26 in this thread.

Links to other DU threads, with links.

Bake

[Vinca]

12. I happened to catch this as I was flipping channels. It was a love fest. nt

[durrrty libby]

13. "Scarborough and Pat Buchanan supporting Hillary" Ha..you just really

enjoy how Matthews and Ogremann describe the juice down their legs that BO inspires

Can't get enough of that, can you?

[totodeinhere]

14. They can favor Clinton just like KO can favor Obama.

It seems that some people at DU can't take any dissenting opinion. There is another thread at DU going on right now where the OP of the thread criticized Olberman because his is pro Obama. I weighed in to say that KO can favor Obama if he wants to. He has a right to his opinion.

So now to be fair I have to say the same thing in reverse about Scarborough and Buchanan. Let them favor Clinton. They are on there to give their opinions just like Olberman is. And anytime a commentator gives an opinion, especially about an issue as contentious as Obama vs Clinton, there are going to be those who agree with them and those who don't. And that's as it should be.

[TexasObserver]

18. They are both Republicans, pushing the RNC party line.

They don't like Hillary. They want to sink our party, and know she's best for their purposes.

[Medusa]

15. Of course they are. They know that McCain can beat her

that's why she's the GOP's gal.

[elleng]

20. 'These rethugs'

are being reasonable, and are able to do so; they're smart, and we all should listen to them.

They are not happy to see the republican party having been taken over by real thugs, and we should take advantage of such; I'm sure there are many similarly situated Republicans.

[redqueen]

52. That's funny.

It's a joke right?

Are you a Clinton supporter?

[elleng]

55. Its not a joke.

I don't support any of the current candidates.

[redqueen]

57. Check out how "smart and reasonable" Pat Buchanan is...

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2553

You could find evidence of Scarborough's ignorance / unreasonableness if you cared to know about his actual intelligence.

[elleng]

58. I've watched them both

in recent years, which is what's important imo.

[redqueen]

60. Well hey... if racists are your cup of tea... then yeah... he's smart and reasonable.

But while YOU might think Democratic voters should listen to these idiots... I doubt most Democratic voters are that unbelievably stupid.

[elleng]

62. I think most Democratic voters

can decide for themselves whom to listen to.

[redqueen]

64. Yup - and most of them won't listen to straight-up racists.

Not to mention supporters of right-wing fascists. (Pinochet, Franco)

But you go on and listen to him.

[elleng]

113. I don't listen to 'straight up racists,'

or support right wing fascists. I might listen to anyone, if I want to learn something.

[redqueen]

122. You just contradicted yourself.

You said you might listen to anyone... and you already said we should listen to the straight-up racist Pat Buchanan... so...

But hey... if you're learning from him... and you consider it valuable, this stuff you're learning... then more power to ya!

[Shae]

59. I wouldn't buy a used car

from either of them -- much less a President.

[redqueen]

61. Well they do have a long, undistinguished record of being wrong about nearly EVERYTHING.

So... yeah.

:hi:

[cliffordu]

87. Yep, and the monkeys flying around my butt agree that Republicans

think Hillary is smart enough, and nice enough and garsh darn it, people LIKE her.


:rofl:

[Algorem]

21. Bill Kristol and David Brooks supporting Obama.

[ShortnFiery]

27. You forgot the sarcasm tag.

:wtf: Bill Kristol, in particular, despises Obama to the point of "frothing at the mouth."

[Saturday]

22. Did you complain when talking heads Matthews and Olbermann

supported Obama? No? I didn't think so.

[ShortnFiery]

25. But unlike Joe Scarborough this AM, they did not "declare their LOVE" for *their pick*

(like Joe did for HRC). However, subsequent to the love fest interview, Joe gloriously proclaims with a flourish that McCain would be the "big winner" today after General Peaches is questioned by the Senate. :crazy:

Joe Scarborough is slime - 100% Republican ... and so is Rove. They keep saying "sweet whispers" in HRC's ear because they know her ego will DRIVE HER to Denver. It's just pathetic.

BTW Matthews is "on his knees" begging HRC to show up for the college tour THE DAY BEFORE (21st) the Pennsylvania Primary. That hardly makes him, IMO, a "Hillary Hater." Matthews is also, IMO, a Republican but masks this MO much better than Joe Scarborough or Pat Buchanan.

As much as I despise the beliefs of Maggie Thatcher, she NEVER played "the victim" like HRC shamelessly does at seemingly every given opportunity. Damn, it hurts to admit that Thatcher had more class than to feign righteous indignations of that spurious nature. :(

[Algorem]

28. no,they only do that constantly

[DemVet]

36. No, they just talk of a ...

..."warm feeling running down their legs." If that isn't "love" for a candidate, I don't know what is.

[redqueen]

53. ..."warm feeling running down their legs."

:wtf:

[countingbluecars]

29. Scarborough can't even

keep a straight face when he is praising Hillary. It's all a big joke to him. Watch for the smirk when he and Buchanan are talking about her. They seem to have a hard time keeping from laughing.

[Evergreen Emerald]

30. ohmygod. If the media does not continue its 24/7 fawning over Obama

you guys go bezerk.

[PoliticalAmazon]

80. If Buchanan was supporting Obama, you wouldn't even mention it? Yeah, RIGHT. n/t

[mtnsnake]

31. Morning Blow is a fool, but Buchanan has actually been the most realistic analyst of any pundit

It might suck for a lot of you to hear that, but it's the cold hard truth.

[JimGinPA]

33. How Stupid Do You Have To Be To Think Buchanan Doesn't Have An Agenda?

[countingbluecars]

35. Sure,

it's just so lovely listening to a racist in the morning. He is a racist, and it's the cold hard truth.

[Bensthename]

39. LMFAO. Wake up sparky..

Buchanan is a joke

[cliffordu]

92. Aw, Wassamatta, you get lonely over on the duMP list??

The only thing that sucks is listening to anyone who claims to be a Democrat stink the joint up with the idea that Pat Puke-cannon is realistic.

He's a racist, sexist gasbag and I'm surprised anyone smart enough to use a computer is fooled by that David Duke loving fake Christian religionist asshat.



:puke:

[mtnsnake]

112. Oh for chrise sakes

You whiney-assed souls wouldn't know reality if you walked right into it because all you know how to do is puke your bitterness at will.

Nice try....

[Nine]

34. And you believe they're sincere? Please. (nt)

[madwivoter]

37. It really is sad...

If (very big IF) Clinton gets the nomination, they'll tear her campaign apart.

It appears that Clinton really can't see the forest for the trees anymore, this should be a HUGE red flag.

[Bensthename]

38. At least Limbaugh is honest about why rePubes want Hillary as the nominee

Because she is a weak candidate as we all see.

[Lilith Velkor]

100. Welcome to Obama world, where Limbaugh is to be believed!

Now that's some motherfuckin' CHANGE, boyee! :rofl:

[Hepburn]

40. Two very good reasons to NOT support Hillary.

I cannot imagine agreeing with those two assholes on anything. If they like Hillary, then most certainly there is something VERY wrong with her.

[proud2BlibKansan]

42. I agree with Pat about the war

You know what they say about a stopped clock. :shrug:

[powergirl]

44. I saw Sen. Clinton gushing all over Scarborough

:puke:

[Bullet1987]

45. Buchanan has been shilling for Hillary for a while now...he always had a problem

with Obama. But I guess someone has to fill in Craig Crawford's shoes. Where is he anyway?

[harun]

54. Yes, this isn't new at all. On McLaughlin group he and the rest of

the bourgeois guests have been pulling for Hillary for two years.

[Erin Elizabeth]

48. If I were a republican (shudder)

I'd be pushing so hard for Clinton, it would be crazy. I'd want her VERY badly to win the primary, so that McCain could get in in November.

[wowimthere]

56. Of course the 2 known racists are going to support Clinton.... I'd be shocked if they didn't.

While they're criticizing Rev. Wright and Obama's affiliation, I'm loathe to ask if they've ever used the "N" word or any racially derogatory language. I'm sure they have. You can see them seething with kind racially motivated intentions. Smug and smart talking and still managing to come off as two dumb boulders.

Would that be something if I could ask them, if they've ever used racially derogatory slurs. I'll bet I'd see "golf ball in mouth" syndrome backed up by "foot in mouth" disease.

Someone said Pat was the most realistic of all the pundits... huh? Realistic in comparison to anything resembling a pundit is wowing. Pat can barely contain himself where agenda meets the road. He believes Clinton is easier to beat. They don't know how to play Obama. Sure their language is rich with praise of Obama but you know it's fake, pundit bullshit to have us think they are being "fair and balanced".

And the Clintons... they will take any adoration they can get from whomever. You know what that makes them!

[milkyway]

63. Buchanan thinks black people are very ungrateful. Now they want a black President, too?

[Auntie Bush]

67. Some people could say we're in this mess because Obama jumped in with both feet and has now divided

our party. He's just as much to blame as Ralph Nader was in denying us the 2004 election. Hillary and the Dems would have this election in the bag if Obie wasn't running. Now, maybe we will win and maybe we won't. Will you all blame him if McCain wins the election. I'll bet not! You'll blame Hillary for that too.

[wowimthere]

70. You sound as if Hillary should have been crowned. That's part of the Clinton logic...

And it doesn't fly. The election process is a competition. She is not owed anything. And if Obama doesn't win it may well be because people believe she should have it just because she wants it or that people have succumb to their racist or bigoted tendencies because it's generational. Have you noticed that us young people don't place great emphasis on Obama's race but older people do? Being a racist or sexist for my generation is well "old school". We don't want any of that sweet punch that's been sitting around since the 90s. We want someone who represents smart politics; hopeful politics. Gatorade! Propel! Vitamin Water.

[Auntie Bush]

74. You young-ens just need more experience than Kool-Aid.

Come back and see me when you grow up and have a sense of good politics.
It's because people like you are taking over our party and don't know their history...study up on McGovern and Humphrey when you get some free time. They'll show you how to really win an election. Putting a sure winner up is a lot smarter than dividing our party and putting this election and the SCJ's up for grabs. To run a sure winner is not a coronation...that's called good politics! Spit out the meme and think for yourself and don't forget to take your vitamins.

[redqueen]

78. She came in 3rd in IA, and has made mistake after mistake since then...

She came into this contest with a huge lead in cash, name recognition, and support.

How, by any measure, can she be considered a "sure winner"?

[wowimthere]

84. It's strange to hear someone refer to you as a young-en. Here is the thing though...

That was then... this is now. Things have changed. There was no internet back then. There was no 24 hour news coverage. White males were the only ones who were allowed to run for the highest office in the land. Fundraising was not done the same way.

Do you see my point? You are still living in the past while the present is making mince meat of your earnest memories. We are in 2008 now. I may be young but young people like me would never have authorized this war and we certainly wouldn't forget about the people who authorized it. Older people like McCain and Clinton and Bush are ruining this country for young people like me. This is why young people are getting involved. It is because of this mindset of people in Washington. Some people, who are young were smart enough to realize that the current administration was lying about the intelligence of Iraq, from Colin Powell on down and some of us young people knew that Clinton used her IWR vote as a political calculus to prove her toughness. Some young people can recognize a lie when they see one. Sometimes when I look into the faces of "some" of our older people I see some one who is gullible, someone who says they know better but doesn't show young-ens like me better. Some of Clinton supporters have jumped off her ship because of what they see. They do know better. I wish you could tell me about elections that are winnable... going forward and not from looking in the rear view mirror.

[Auntie Bush]

96. Lol... Seems like you referred to yourself as a youngen first.

"Have you noticed that us young people don't"... Last time I recalled...young people are youngens were synonymous. Don't they describe the same age group?
Or are you saying the use of the word youngen is derogatory? :shrug:

So you advocate tossing out the history books and the lessons we've learned from experience and history???????? because this is 2008 and we have the internet and a group of internet savoy people?????? Seems like bush* thinking to me. He didn't know much about history either and look what that got us. The Obama girl was too busy to even vote. Nope...I don't trust putting this country in the hands of inexperienced youngens. I personally like maturity...but I'm prejudiced! So are you!

[countingbluecars]

71. Obie?

Is that the latest in silly name calling? Did you want Hillary to just be anointed the candidate-no voting necessary? How dare anyone run against her!

[Auntie Bush]

99. Well someone on the Obama side that's known for name calling

repeatedly refers to Hillary as hilly...so I assume it's OK for us to call Obama Obie. I think that's only fair... No?

[countingbluecars]

101. Actually no.

I think all name calling is silly.

[Auntie Bush]

110. Well I do too. But tell your side to stop referring to Senator Clinton...hilly.

Not one Obama supporter have asked her to stop. Not one! But when Obama is called Obie...you are right there quick to criticize.

[cliffordu]

94. Yeah, Obama divided the party.

Wait a minute -


Man oh, man I gots me some of that creepinfreeper constipation,

It's the meanest constipation around.

Oh, will I EVER take a duMP today??


:hurts:


There we go!! It's a MIRACLE!!!


Now, What were you saying??

[cooolandrew]

72. That's about the size of it to me. Every emotive ploy destroying liberal broadcasters.It's a horror

movie. I liked it when we could be proud of our party. Hope that returns real soon.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

73. Some company Hillary supporters are keeping.

[Born_A_Truman]

77. Voter's will?

I voted for Obama in the California primary, but there are many states that haven't voted yet. What about those voters? California's primary used to be in June and I know what it is like to have it settled before I even cast my vote.

[PoliticalAmazon]

79. Buchanan is against the war. I am surprised he is supporting HRC. n/t

[wowimthere]

85. Buchanan supports McCain.

[Bensthename]

103. They are now Fox news junkies now and wouldn't understand.

[knixphan]

89. corporatists stick together.

[rug]

102. Why are you worried? I thought Obama cannot lose mathematically.

[Bensthename]

104. Why would they want Hillary to run against McCain?? Hmmmmm...

[Forkboy]

111. I believe Pat's support is real.

He seems to genuinely hate McCain.

No idea about Scarborough as I never watch him. There's one of the many upsides to not having cable. ;)

[Califooyah Operative]

114. I watched it too.

Joe <3's Hillary.

[davidpdx]

116. I saw the interview with Scarborough, but missed the one with Buchanan

The ass kissing that JS did with Clinton just about make me puke. It's pretty apparent that the RW goons want Hillary vs. McCain.

[eilen]

120. They really fall over each other

I have seen a couple of Joe S. interviews with HRC and I think they need to get a room. As much as other news pundits may like Obama, they are not shamelessly flirting with him (with him flirting back) and are not getting offers for VP (as a joke). I guess no one really wants to ask her hard questions or challenge her since that other reporter on MSNBC got suspended.

[Medusa]

121. For the millionth time: Hillary is the GOP's gal

they desperately want her to be the nominee so they can win in NOvember. And if she is the nominee, we're going to lose.