Hillary ridicules Obama's theme of hope then steals it:

[jenmito]

"Scranton" (Scranton Market)
TV :30

Hillary Clinton: This is me in Scranton, where my father was raised, and my grandfather worked in the lace mill.

Every August, we'd pile into the car and head to our cottage on Lake Winola.

There was no heat, or indoor shower-just the joy of family.

I was raised on pinochle and the American dream.

I still have faith in that dream

It's just been neglected a little.

We all need to dream it again

And I promise we will.

I'm Hillary Clinton and I approved this message.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/08/clinton-i-grew-up-on-pinochle-and-the-american-dream/

Obama's been talking all along about hope, and Hillary has ridiculed him for it, and of course, now she's using it ("dream" in place of "hope" but same message).

[Cant trust em]

1. I'll be interested to see what the DU Clinton apologists have to say about this. NT

[rodeodance]

94. OP is lying. Has no proof of so-calling HRC "stealing" --that is what I say

[Hugabear]

98. It's so damned obvious

Earlier, Hillary and you folks were mocking Obama for all of his "hope and dream" speeches. Now Hillary comes along with an ad about hope and dreams.

You honestly can't see why people would have a heydey with this? Really?

on edit: maybe "stealing" isn't the right word. But it's damned HYPOCRITICAL as hell.

[jasmine621]

99. I believe the Bill Clinton had the "hope" and "future" mantra long before

Obama. Just read over his campaign and inaugral speeches, BC was great and inspirational...but how soon we forget.

[PoliticalAmazon]

104. Which is why Hillary looked like such a hypocrite for criticizing Obama for it. ...

...Now, after demonizing it, she starts using it, making her an exponential hypocrite.

[BlueIdaho]

121. I think George Washington liked hope and future too... Sheesh. nt.

[Fredda Weinberg]

2. You know ... my interns are so cute when they talk about programming

But I'm responsible for getting the work done. Dismissive? Yes, appropriately so.

[dionysus]

8. are you physically capable of typing a post without kissing your own pompous ass?

[cali]

42. LOL!

Truer_words_were_never_spoken.

[Fredda Weinberg]

96. Stalking again, dear? Why don't you find someone to abuse you elsewhere?

That is what you're all about, isn't it?

[Starbucks Anarchist]

48. I'm sure she missed a spot or two.

[sniffa]

112. I think I know whom you're all talking about

:think:

[Starbucks Anarchist]

113. As you know her, "Ignored #458."

;)

[sniffa]

114. If true, then she used to be #113

But thanks to an insane thread I was told about, I had to remove her. After many months scarring my forehead on the brick wall, she became #458.

You can't just go back on the list and reclaim your old ranking. :P

[Starbucks Anarchist]

115. But it's her turn!!!

:rofl:

[Alexander]

75. Apparently it's more difficult than all that programming work.

:rofl:

[MyNameGoesHere]

3. OMG!!!!!11 This is HUGH!!!!111 COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT!!!!

Ok really does Lord Obama have the word "Hope" or "Dream" copyrighted?

[Butch350]

80. Apparently...

3. OMG!!!!!11 This is HUGH!!!!111 COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT!!!!
Ok really does Lord Obama have the word "Hope" or "Dream" copyrighted?
HEY AMERICA! Pull my finger HeHe


...you missed the point! Don't worry it's a common thing with HRC supporters.

[MyNameGoesHere]

124. Well a common thing for Obama

supporters is turning into Richard Cranium's.

[Cha]

4. hilary's full of shit and I

HOPE that Pennsylvanians get that message loud and clear.

[Lucky 13]

6. OMG.

I LOVE that screen shot. Arrogant, elitist, entitled, ignorant, short-sighted...

[Cha]

9. And let's add LIAR to your list..

"competing everywhere"? No, she wasn't..one more lie to add to the ever expanding toll.

[jenmito]

10. Thanks for that quote in your post!

I wish more people would realize she planned on "disenfranchising" so many people!

[Cha]

50. That's right..hilary thought it would be

sooo over that nobody would even get to vote after Feb 5th. And now she's scrambling with a passel of lies and a drying up donation situation.

hilary doesn't care about people voting ..she cares about herself.

[jenmito]

65. Exactly...

I bet if she loses she forms an "Americans for Hillary" party.

[WillyT]

97. Hey Z !!! - How Do Ya Like My New Sig ???

Thanks!!!

:evilgrin:

:hi:

[Cha]

118. It's good to remind voters

that hilary clinton is lacking in vision and preparation.

:hi:

[niceypoo]

5. Obama's meme of Hope and Unity is being destroyed by his supporters...

The personal attacks waged by Obama supporters against Clinton supporters and Clinton’s husband and Clinton herself are hard to reconcile with a candidate whose message is one of unity.

'Dream = hope' is stretching it a bit.....doncha think?

[jenmito]

11. No, "Dream=hope" is NOT stretching it a bit.

How Clintonesque of you.

[BornBlue]

84. Actually, according to thesaurus.com

Main Entry: hope
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: dream
Synonyms: achievement, ambition, anticipation, aspiration, assumption, belief, bright side*, buoyancy, concern, confidence, daydream, dependence, desire, dream, dream, endurance, expectancy, expectation, faith, fancy, fool's paradise*, fortune, gain, goal, hopefulness, longing, optimism, pipe dream*, promise, promised land*, prospect, reliance, reverie, reward, rosiness, sanguineness, security, stock, utopia, wish

http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/hOPE

So you see hope does equal dream.

[PoliticalAmazon]

105. "Hope and dream" is a little different from "Be a doormat. for Hillary's insults" n/t

[krawhitham]

7. Politics 101

Ridicule what you are trying to stop, if that does not work steal it

[jenmito]

12. I agree. And did you see her speech the other night when she criticized BUSH for using fear

when she did the same exact thing to scare people into NOT voting for Obama due to his "inexperience"?

[PoliticalAmazon]

106. 3am phone call was classic Bush/Rove. Shows what a hypocrite she is. n/t

[jenmito]

110. Exactly. And THAT'S when Olbermann started criticizing her, for the record. n/t

[Hepburn]

13. She is just a characature of what a real person is all about.

Phony as a 3-dollar bill, IMO.

K&R ~~ Hiya, Jen! :hi:

[jenmito]

16. She sure is!

Thanks, Hepburn! :hi:

[Beacool]

53. Characature? Spell much?

The only caricature I see are the snake oil salesman and his acolytes.

[redqueen]

14. Yeah? Well maybe if she starts talkin about including ponies in her dream

I'll hop on over and support her.

As for now, I'm with Obama. For PONIES!

[jenmito]

17. Ponies? I love ponies!

But I doubt Hillary even CARES about ponies! :D

[redqueen]

19. She makes fun of people who want ponies!

:cry:

[jenmito]

25. That's it...

how low can she go?!

[SwampG8r]

54. ponies?

i thought it was magic unicorns

[elehhhhna]

57. yep, she made fun of...Napoleon Dynamite! Loser!

[AtomicKitten]

15. She's flailing about still looking for a message, except it's too late.

Hillary wasn't prepared to run a presidential campaign on Day #1.

[redqueen]

18. Well she was gonna have it all sewn up by 2/5.

Why develop a plan B if you've got the lock on it?

:shrug:

[AtomicKitten]

58. She didn't plan past SuperTuesday which was spectacularly presumptuous and short-sighted.

She had every advantage going in, walking in the door at 50 points with huge name recognition, party machinery backing, and a pile of cash. And she blew it. She's run her campaign like Bush has run the country, with incompetence and hubris. It's been really breathtaking IMO.

[jenmito]

20. I'm waiting for her to change her slogan to, "Hope you can believe in" or

some other attempt to copy Obama's consistent message.

[AtomicKitten]

59. It's like watching a car crash in slow motion.

:hi:

[jenmito]

66. Yes it is...

and I can't look away. :hi:

[PBS Poll-435]

21. Not even close...not even a little bit

Hope is vague...

Everyone knows what "The American Dream" means. Politicians have been using it since the 50s.

[jenmito]

24. "We all need to dream it again"? I thought she's a DOER-not a dreamer.

:eyes:

[PBS Poll-435]

30. Once again - this is not about

vague, fuzzy hope.

It the same freaking line that has been used since before Obama was born.

The 'American Dream' - work hard, pull yourself up by your bootstraps, you too can be rich. Your children will have it better than you did. That 'American Dream'

Ring a bell?

[jenmito]

43. Hope isn't vague and fuzzy. And Hillary still has "faith" in the dream? New day, new message.

Nothing authentic about her OR her message.

[PBS Poll-435]

45. Hope is not "specific"

Say 'The American Dream' and everyone (or most everyone) will know what you are talking about.

[jenmito]

68. Hope IS specific if you LISTEN to what Obama is talking about. But you won't.

[noiretextatique]

22. the man from hope: bill clinton

it's not as if obama created the concept of hope...

[Kurovski]

26. ...but he's one of the first to be getting his ass kicked for bringing it up.

Go figure. :shrug:

[noiretextatique]

39. correct me if i am mistaken

but isn't obama the likely democratic candidate for president *because* of his message of "hope and change?" i suppose some do consider that possibility the same as getting one's ass kicked.

[Kurovski]

61. Sen. Clinton derided Obama for it. I should have been clearer

and said just that. Clinton is the one kicking around Obama for his hopeful message.

My mistake for not being clearer. :hi:

[rodeodance]

72. you got a link? or just lying?

Sen. Clinton derided Obama for it. I should have been clearer
Posted by Kurovski


and said just that. Clinton is the one kicking around Obama for his hopeful message.

My mistake for not being clearer. :hi:

[Kurovski]

86. She made fun of his message of hope, and everyone without their

head up THEIR ASS knows it after seeing her childish, mocking speech on the matter.

It was pretty fucking hard to forget. Maybe you can get your ass into gear, take a little break from your coprophilic duties here in GDP, and find it your miserable, annoying, bullshitting self

[Hugabear]

100. Are you fucking serious? Here, I'll help you out... here's the video

http://youtube.com/watch?v=a1ckrEeHDRY

It's only been posted here on DU several times.

[Kurovski]

111. Rodeodance knows all about the speech.

But maybe cognitive dissonance makes it look to her like a Goddess of Peace blessing the masses with a spotlight of hard truth.

When it is just another desperate, failing politician gettin' nasty, and that politician herself is saying nothing specific.

[jenmito]

27. Yeah-and now the Clintons ridicule OBAMA for having hope and talking about what it means?

He's very specific in what hope means to him and what it meant to him growing up.

[noiretextatique]

37. yeah...they are sooo mean to obama

those horrible, hopeless clintons.

[jenmito]

44. Who said they're sooo mean to Obama? I am saying they're hypocrites.

[noiretextatique]

46. they are politicians

and so is obama.

[jenmito]

69. Again-Who said they're sooo mean to Obama?

[noiretextatique]

125. c'mon...that meme is all over DU

obama=angel
clinton=devil

[bunnies]

32. um. In that context, Hope is a town.

Not quite the same thing. :eyes:

[noiretextatique]

36. the title *obviously* meant more than the name of a city in AK

:eyes:

[Bigleaf]

23. Raised on pinochle or Pinocchio?

I think the latter. She probably never even played pinochle. And, she did 'dream' up the sniper fire, give her credit for that.

[jenmito]

29. True...

she does dream up some situations that seem beneficial for her (if only they were true).

[SwampG8r]

56. righto

i bet she doesnt have any more clue about pinochle than she does about bowling

[bunnies]

28. So if we all just DREAM about a better future...

the sky will open up, light will shine down, and the world will be a better place?

SING little mocking bird. SING!

[jenmito]

31. Apparently so...

according to her LATEST position. :shrug:

[bunnies]

35. Lets all welcome Hillary version 180.

This ones the REAL one. :rofl:

[jenmito]

38. It's sad when people ask, "Which Hillary will show up tonight?"

[rodeodance]

70. and you now MOCK people for dreaming of a better future?? LOW-blow from you

[jenmito]

83. Yeah-she had it so tough when she had to vacation in her heatless summer cottage!

:rofl:

[Hugabear]

101. If ever there was a perfect example of "pot meet kettle"

Your candidate was the one who was MOCKING Obama for "dreaming of a better future"

God, I can't believe you're such a partisan that you can't even see how hypocritical your posts in this thread are.

[unblock]

33. i still find it remarkable that obama is the "hope" candidate

considering that bill ran as "the man from hope" in 1992.

ironic, if nothing else, for hillary to have completely ceded this ground.

[Catherine Vincent]

34. If she did, she only took what he stole from Big Dog. nt

[jenmito]

41. Obama explains what hope means to him and why he needed it growing up. Hillary is not the Big Dog.

Even the Big Dog ain't the Big Dog anymore.

[starroute]

40. It's how she spins the summer cottage that got me

The nature of summer cottages -- at least back in the 50's -- is that they were just that. They didn't need heat because they were only used in the summer. And they didn't need an indoor shower because you'd typically use an outdoors shower after swimming.

But to juxtapose it to her grandfather working in the lace mill, and to say "There was no ... just the joy of family" makes it sound as if she was growing up in a slum somewhere.

Far from it!

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/16415671.html

Hillary Rodham Clinton's Pennsylvania roots are here in this mostly seasonal Wyoming County community of less than 1,000, about 17 miles north of Scranton. Her father, Hugh Rodham, grew up in Scranton and is buried there. And each summer, Rodham would haul his brood from their suburban Chicago home to the modest, two-story cottage he and his father built here in 1921. . . .

Descended from Welsh laborers who settled in Scranton, Rodham played football at Penn State and went on to success as a salesman and textile supplier in the Midwest. Nonetheless, he refused his children allowances and ruled the home thermostat with an iron finger.

Even in prosperity, Rodham clung to his hardscrabble past, a part of which was the cottage, originally built with no heat or inside plumbing. Each August, he piled the family before dawn into the family Lincoln - "the barge," according to Clinton - and set off for another two weeks at Lake Winola.

In his new biography of Hillary Clinton, Carl Bernstein writes that Rodham "meant the vacation to connect his children to a past not as privileged as the one they knew in Park Ridge, as well as to maintain a strong sense of family."

[jenmito]

71. Thanks for the link!

Very informative. :hi:

[hfojvt]

47. Hillary talked about 'restoring the American Dream' from Day One

Day One of her campaign. I disagree with her about the American Dream though, I think the materialism of it has been one of America's big flaws. I might even quote William James on that, but it probably would be called sexist.

http://www.bartleby.com/66/33/30533.html

[PoliticalAmazon]

108. At least she's not claiming to have been a POW, so count your blessings. n/t

[anigbrowl]

49. "There was no heat..." Um, it was August. So what?

Surely the idea of getting away in August is to escape the excessive heat of the city. As for the indoor shower, I'd feel bad about it if I had a vacation home that I used 2 weeks a year. I don't really think this is going to bring people flocking back to her.

[jenmito]

73. Exactly.

What a phony.

[Beacool]

51. So, Obama's supporters now think that the "American Dream"

is something that Obama has exclusivity to it????

Please, that term has been used for decades.

You people are way too funny!!!

[jenmito]

91. No-EVERYONE should be able to get over having only one summer cottage to vacation in!

:rofl:

[2rth2pwr]

52. This is worthy of a post?

Breaking: Both Obama and Clinton use the English language in their campaigns.

[Beacool]

55. It's called ad hominem attacks!!

It's a lovely ad from someone who actually does know the state. But the fake purveyor of hope and his sycophants have to nitpick it to death. I still don't know why will these same people expect us to vote for their leader in November. The thought of having that guy in the WH is as comforting as a root canal.

[jenmito]

81. You obviously don't know what an "ad hominem attack" IS.

:rofl:

[crankychatter]

89. hey, no references to sexual orientation please

we gots rulez

[jenmito]

76. Hey-YOU still believe Clinton's tax return "dump" was about THIS year's, so I really don't care what

you think is "worthy." :rofl:

[2rth2pwr]

92. ??

Even after your edit your sentence doesn't make sense.

[jenmito]

107. Oops-if you were another poster you'd know what I was talking about.

I mixed you up with that poster.

[H2O Man]

60. Obama

is the presidential candidate who we can trust.

[jenmito]

78. Yup.

Unlike Hillary.

[Major Hogwash]

62. All this means is that someone finally paid the phone bill at Hillary's campaign for her fax machine

So he could Xerox all of his speeches to send to her so she could read them.
He's such a nice guy.

LoL

[DemVet]

63. Uh.....the Clinton's were using "Hope" long before Obama.

[jenmito]

85. Uh, BILL Clinton was...and now they ridicule Obama for talking about hope.

[PetraPooh]

64. How is "no heat, or indoor shower-just family and pinochle" the American Dream. Surely

isn't my dream, is it anyone's?

[rodeodance]

67. What exactly is she 'stealing'?

[jenmito]

82. Believing in a dream-after ridiculing Obama for talking about hope and about MLK's dream, etc.

She's a doer-not a dreamer-remember?

[rodeodance]

93. She did not mock MLK 's dream Prove that she did or you are lying!!

[Hugabear]

102. I see that reading comprehension isn't your specialty

The poster above you stated that Hillary was mocking Obama for talking about hope and MLK's dream. Not MLK's dream itself.

BTW, here's the link to the video, in case you want to accuse me of lying.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=a1ckrEeHDRY

[jenmito]

109. PaintItBlack's response is perfect. Read it and TRY to comprehend it.

[Life Long Dem]

74. Clinton loves her triangulation.

I even saw her adopt McSames gestures. The way he juts his arms forward when he speaks Hillary was doing the same thing while she spoke, and she looked so fake it was weird. Then she added her own little finger pointing like Bill. She is still all over the place with her triangulating - I see.

[jenmito]

87. Yes-

I noticed that "arm jut" thing from Hillary, too! Her drama coach probably told her it makes her look like a fighter-"throwing jabs."

[PoliticalAmazon]

77. ANOTHER Bush/Rove tactic! Demonizing opponent's concept then stealing it. n/t

[jenmito]

79. Yeah-poor Hillary-still mourning the days she had to vacation in her summer cottage with no heat!

:rofl:

[Butch350]

88. Every August, we'd head to our cottage on Lake Winola

Oh you poor baby. There are a lot of people roughing it right now in the their
primary home with no heat and no water and are roughint it.

I wonder if the Hillarys had health insurance.

[jenmito]

90. This should help her relate to the "common folk" in PA

:rofl:

[rodeodance]

95. OP is lying. Has no proof of so-calling HRC "stealing" - Just makes a claim.

[Hugabear]

103. Yes or no - did Hillary make fun of Obama for making speeches about hopes and dreams?

A simple yes or no answer will suffice.

[rodeodance]

116. Its a lovely ad--and here is a photo that goes with it.

[jenmito]

117. Yeah-it should really "connect" with all the OTHER people unfortunate enough to have no heat in

their summer vacation cottages. :rofl:

[Beacool]

119. Are you this much of a jerk in real life??? n/t

[jenmito]

122. Yes.

:hi:

[Beacool]

123. Well, it shows................ n/t

[Beacool]

120. She was a beautiful child and still is an attractive woman.

:hi: