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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 12:49 PM
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It's all about Credibility to Execute. Clinton fails miserably. Obama excels!
Edited on Tue Apr-08-08 12:50 PM by berni_mccoy
When you have two candidates with similar outstanding policies, it all comes down to credibility to execute (as well as just credibility). The best test of that credibility is the campaign itself. The campaign serves as a precursor to the demands of the presidency: create a vision, share that vision with the masses and then obtain political validation of that vision from your colleagues. The campaign is a plan that must not only be executed, it must be executed like a well-oiled machine. Like any other competitive contest, the winners are the ones who make a compelling case for their performance and who make fewer mistakes, along with consideration for strength of opposition.

Obama could not have faced a tougher opponent than Hillary Clinton. She had every advantage going into the primary. She had a considerable war-chest, the political connections, the Super Delegates, and a very expensive PR machine behind her with some of the, at the time, best political strategists the Democratic party had to offer.

What happened? What went wrong? Well, just about everything. Her strategy from the outset was presumptuous and arrogant. It assumed a bow-out of all competitors by Super Tuesday, as her plan focused on the winner-take-all approach for that date. Her message was lacking and unconvincing of change in the early primaries and caucuses. And she had a tough time sharing her vision and answering questions according to her own message in the debates. She looked weak. And she paid the price in Iowa, coming in third, behind Obama and Edwards. This was simply enough of a mistake that allowed voters to give strong consideration to the other candidates, primarily Obama and Edwards.

Another gaping flaw in her campaign was the Big-Blue-State approach. This approach is exactly what has gone wrong with the Democratic party in the last 20 years and it has made the Democrats appear as elitists. It's old school for a failed policy. The Democratic culture has embraced Dean's 50-state-strategy, and this is the new progressive culture. It is Dean's keystone and he deserves credit for seeing the problem and addressing it. This strategy led to the sweeping Democratic wins of both Congress and local governments in 2006, and it is what upsets old-school strategists like Penn and Carville, who aggressively attacked Dean for this winning strategy. It also explains why Clinton's campaign focused on the alternative. Her campaign represents the old-school. Fortunately Obama adopted Dean's strategy and it lead to a sweeping victory on Super Tuesday and a winning streak of over 14 contests afterward.

Now here is where Clinton really loses points. What were they to do if their plan failed after Super Tuesday as it did? They had nothing. Nada. Zip. NO BACKUP PLAN. This is the tragic failure in her credibility to execute. It is the same lack of planning that has left us in a quagmire in Iraq. She has demonstrated a clear lack of vision for any other possibilities than assumed success. This is indeed, the same arrogance of the Bush administration. It is exactly what America needs to reject.

Since then, Clinton's campaign has floundered and focused on baseless character assassination techniques. That is the backup plan of the cornered and desperate. She has sought to sunder her party by pouring salt in the wound created by the local DLC-controlled parties of Michigan and Florida. She as taken the approach of the scorched earth strategy, the same exact approach of the failed Bush administration as it struggled to convince America that the Iraq War was good for them. They labeled liberals as traitors. They contained protests in "free speech zones". They spied on Americans and put their political enemies on no-fly lists. They focused on the failure and how to look good while disasters like Katrina, Abu Gharab, Gitmo, out-of-control Government spending, trade deficits, the mortgage crisis and the economy fell all around them. I have no doubt that Clinton would fall into a similar failure to execute under the same circumstances given her performance of her failed campaign. She even exhibits the same cronyism that Bush does by holding on to her overpaid, failure of a strategist, Mark Penn, who actually works against her stated policies with the government of Colombia and who partners his PR Firm with the campaign manager for McCain. At well over 1 million dollars a month, you think Clinton would have fired this miserable failure after Super Tuesday and no backup plan. But maybe she feels he's doing a "hecuva job" after all and that is why she keeps paying him more than 375 times the money that Obama pays his chief strategist David Plouffe (David Plouffe makes just under $8000 per filing period based on the latest FEC filings).

You want to talk serious promise of an executive, look at Obama. He was trailing national polls by about 20 points at the outset and had fewer than 1/5th of Clinton's number of Super Delegates. His strategy was simple: talk direct, talk plain and talk issues; to everyone in all places. It's no wonder he gains 20 points in the polls in PA by simply going on a 6-day bus tour. It's because when people actually see him, actually hear him, they know what they are getting. They aren't getting someone who listens to polls that tell them what is best to say: he speaks the truth and speaks it clearly. When forced by the Clinton campaign to confront the racial issues in this country, he did not falter. He faced it head on. And the people approved. After he dealt with his own crisis, he started a rise in the national polls from a then nearly 10-point deficit to now nearly a 10-point lead. While Clinton has faced a net loss of Super Delegates since Super Tuesday, Obama has closed the gap to fewer than 20 SDs.

Both Obama and Clinton have faced their own trial-by-fire in this campaign. Both have had their 3 am calls. But only Obama has had the good judgment and used that good judgment when his call came. Clinton failed her test and continues to exhibit that failure on a daily basis. She has failed, miserably, to provide credibility to execute. Obama has proven his credibility to lead and execute and for that reason, the voters are choosing him to be the nominee.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 12:51 PM
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1. After reading about Mark Penn the "big blue state" posisition gets credibility. Mark Penn has served
...Hillary awefully but it's her fault for wanting to be a centrist when that's not what America needs.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:37 PM
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15. Problem for Dems is that group was in charge of our party from 1993-2005 and THAT STRATEGY
is what allowed so many state party infrastructures to collapse since the 90s and be too weak to secure the election process for Dem candidates and voters in so many states like Florida, Ohio, NC and New Mexico during 2000, 2002 and 2004 election cycles.

TeamClinton got away with it by pointing all blames on the candidates instead of the collapsed state of the party infrastructures in those states who were so easily gamed and dominated by the RNC who worked for years gaining control of every level of the election process where the votes are allowed, cast and counted.



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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 12:53 PM
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2. Nice post! K&R nt
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flor de jasmim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:00 PM
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3. Great post!
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:24 PM
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4. Yeah. You hate her. We get it.
You're becoming boring.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:30 PM
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7. Actually, you are becoming boring with the hate mantra. How is criticizing her failure hate?
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:32 PM
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9. What about that post was hateful?
I have called out hateful posts from Obama supporters many times, but that post seemed well-reasoned and contained a valid argument.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:33 PM
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13. Truth has a liberal and a hateful stance
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:32 PM
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10. Not being able to accept fair criticism is childish
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:51 PM
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17. See post 7.
Exibit A.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:54 PM
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18. Again, how is that hate? You are not making your case.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:25 PM
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5. Credibility is indeed the Test - but Clinton passes and Obama fails - O has no
Edited on Tue Apr-08-08 01:28 PM by papau
real achievements beyond 130 "present" votes to avoid the issue and 5 "mistake votes" to be on both sides of an issue. Obama working with the GOP means adding a corporate tax cut to a tiny social program funding bill - plus a joint "nuclear disarmament " bill asking for a "study" that is done every year without the request. Only Illinois Senate accomplishment is passing the video taping of police actions - mighty slim basis for a claim on the presidency.

Obama is a con job that has 5 major lies exposed to date - and played the race card to stop Hillary's momentum after her NH win.

The major lies are of course are
1. out of Iraq in 16 months (Powers/EU paper interview)
2. Intention to push for Health and other social programs (CNBC kudlow interview)
3. Intent to leave NAFTA if NAFTA not modified (Canadian meeting and memo)
4. Saying he was not aware of Rev Wrights standard "social justice" speech that blames whites and the USA for all wrongs (a lie admitted to in the "Speech")
5. Saying Rezko was someone he hardly knew after a 17 year relationship that included money transactions before he entered public service and after he began public service.

God forbid anyone use this weeks foreign policy expert speech against him - growing up in a Muslim school, then visiting Pakistan (any one else we know that has that background before becoming famous/infamous)
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:38 PM
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16. I can always tell when the truth hurts the Clinton supporters here because
of responses like yours and other crazy responses in this thread. Attack with baseless character assasination techniques and mention Muslim and Rezko. Nice.
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chill factor Donating Member (83 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 11:09 PM
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50. get it straight!
To begin with the 'present' votes were in the Illinois legislator - it is a standard vote by legislatures in the state if they want to re-think a bill or make changes in one; there are no 'present' votes in Congress.

113 bills were introduced by Sen. Obama in the 110th Congress. He introduced 153 in the 109th. Look it up http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/2008/02/22/bills-obama-sponsored-in-the-senate/

He advocates a measured withdraw of troop from Iraq - withdrawing our troops is something that is going to happen over night! It takes 6 months to pull out one battalion! And if McCain is elected, it will never happen.

His health care stance is coverage for everyone who wants it - not mandated coverage with a fine if you do not pay the premium - many people in this country cannot pay health care premiums ask me, I am one of them.

Don't be so lazy! Do some research on Rev Wright. His sermons were not the soundbytes you heard on cable news that were played until one wanted to threw up. Rev Wright is an ex-marine with an exemplary service record and has been defended by Clinton's former pastor as well as many other people who have the greatest respect for the man. And Bloomberg's Albert R. Hunt: 'The perverse irony here is that whatever the Reverend Wright's failings, there is nothing - nothing - in Obama's adult life to even remotely link him to racially divisive sentiments. Quite the contrary. Talk to conservatives who attended Harvard Law School with him, like former Republican Party Chairman KEN MEHLMAN or current Federal Communications Commission Chairman Kevin Martin; or Republicans in the Illinois state legislature, or U.S. senators; or look at his campaign staff. There is not a more inclusive politician in America.'

And if there was anything about Rezko that was so negative to Senator Obama, you had better believe the Clinton Camp would have dug it up by now. And watch this video...a Republican on the foreign relations committee who even recognized Obama during today's hearings -Sen. Voinevitch at Petraus hearing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsJkHebt4fc Voinevitch does a good job of illuminating the stupidity of the military surge with no comparable diplomatic surge.

Do some thinking before you do any posting.
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carlotta Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:27 PM
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6. Bush ran a fabulous campaign
Not exactly an indicator of much....was it?
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:31 PM
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8. Not really. And we should reward apparent failure then?
Your points are lost on their own absurdity.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:33 PM
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12. Good point!
Reagan's campaign was brilliant too... Jimmy Carter's sucked as I recall, but I think he made a damn fine president.

People around here may as well read tea leaves rather than some of these highly subjective OP's.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:12 PM
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19. Carter was undercut by the DLC
Carter was the nominee for a second term only because he was able to fight off efforts to unseat him from within the Democratic party. In fact, they tried to get pledged delegates to renege on their commitment to him. This damaged him in the GE. He was done in by political maneuvering.

Those who don't learn from history are condemned to repeat it.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:45 PM
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22. The DLC didn't exist back then and Ted Kennedy was trying to get the delegates to renege
Ted Kennedy is certainly not a DLC member.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:20 PM
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20. Completely Bogus Point Actually. Bush's campaign focused on division and demonization of liberals
You can't compare that campaign of negativity and division with Obama's campaign of hope and unity.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:39 PM
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21. You are missing the point, and sadly, it's your own point!
Edited on Tue Apr-08-08 02:40 PM by Juniperx


:eyes:
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:59 PM
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24. I'm afraid I can't help you. Logic escapes you. Failure to campaign is an eliminator.
I'm not saying Obama should win because he has run a successful campaign, which is what you are erroneously grasping onto. I'm saying Clinton's miserable failure of a campaign is a big reason why VOTERS (and SDs) are turning away from her.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 03:13 PM
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25. Don't blame others because you can't read with comprehension
There have been plenty of sucky campaigns that have won political office.

You are grasping at straws here.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 04:07 PM
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28. Make your case then, if you can. Sadly, you've failed to do so.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 07:29 PM
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43. Tired of the tapdance...
Tired of trying to speak to reason.

May have to begin using ignore... as much as I hate the thought, I'm tired of the circular arguments from too many here.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 09:52 PM
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49. It pretty much indicated that he could successfully get anything that the neocon thugs--
--backing him wanted. And he has, unfortunately, succeeded quite well on that score.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:32 PM
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11. The contrast in their styles, in their favored mechanisms could not be starker.
Obama always favors the reasoned, adult approach to matters.

Hillary always favors the hateful, pejorative, childish way to approach matters.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:34 PM
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14. Good job!
K & R :thumbsup:
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:50 PM
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23. Excellent Post !!! - K & R !!!
:yourock:
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 03:14 PM
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26. Excellent analysis n/t
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 03:18 PM
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27. Good topic. She was not prepared and the people she surrounds herself with reflects her admin ideas.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 04:59 PM
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29. Bingo. Imagine what an administration she would end up running...
It's going to be another Bush admin, inheriting the failures and creating all new ones.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 07:05 PM
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37. I try not to. Many of the goals she has are the same ones McCain has.
She's not a good Democrat, in my opinion.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 05:06 PM
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30. LOL, that's a laugh, to be honest, if you judged both candidates on their campaigns, they both...
have failed. Seriously, I really don't get this shit, what the hell has either candidate done to earn anyone's trust or support? Besides not being a Republican, which is enough to vote for either of them.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 05:37 PM
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31. If you don't believe in either candidate, then what are you here for?
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 05:43 PM
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32. Because they aren't Republicans...
Edited on Tue Apr-08-08 05:45 PM by Solon
And who the fuck are you to ask that question, Newbie? :eyes:

Also, who the hell in their right mind would believe in a politician of all things? Support rational policies, not empty rhetoric.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 06:31 PM
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33. You make me LOL. Seriously.
"Oooooo, I've got 12,000+ posts because I don't have anything else."
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 06:48 PM
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34. And what do you offer? Vapid posts to prop one centrist candidate up above another?
The fact is that this race just simply isn't that exciting, at most, either of these candidates will be mediocre Presidents who, Gods willing, won't get us into any new wars or drastically cut into Constitutional freedoms while they serve in office, though I don't hold out too much hope for either. You yourself said that they don't differ substantially on the issues, so really, all we have to go on to support either is insubstantial stuff, basically whichever one is the best bullshitter will win. If I sound cynical please bear in mind that I've been fucked over by both parties all my life, so forgive me if I'm all out of hope, faith, and refuse to believe in any politician. The only thing both these candidates have going for them is that they aren't Republicans. I don't vote for Democrats, I vote against Republicans, there is a difference.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 07:00 PM
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35. "I don't vote for Democrats" -- Shouldn't you be somewhere else?
Like SocialisticUnderground.com?
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 07:07 PM
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38. Nice way to take a quote out of context, forgot to mention the second part, didn't you?
Oh, and take your party lockstepping "rah rah rah" cheerleading bullshit elsewhere please. I thought only Republicans did that, apparently I was wrong. To be honest, you don't win any friends with that condescending shit.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 07:18 PM
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40. Oh NOES!!1! I'm a Lock-stepping Democrat!!1! This is SERIES!!1! HUGH!!1!
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 07:26 PM
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42. You know, a lie by omission is still a lie, just an FYI, and again, condenscending bullshit...
doesn't win you any friends. No wonder so many people think Obama supporters are assholes. Don't worship the ground he walks on, get attacked. Granted, Hillary supporters aren't any better, but damn, do you relish in behaving like an asshole so much that you actually elevated it into an artform?
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 07:29 PM
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44. Condescending Bullshit = waving your post-count around.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 07:39 PM
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45. Condescending Bullshit = Questioning a poster's reasons for being on this board.
Pull that card again, go ahead, it'll be fun.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 07:49 PM
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46. Saying Both Obama and Clinton Suck = No reason to be here.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 07:59 PM
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47. Are they the whole of politics, are they the Alpha and Omega of issues?
Indeed, I consider Congressional races this year to be far more important than the Presidential race. More partisan, more left wing representatives can enter Congress this year, increasing the Democratic Majority, but also putting pressure on whoever ends up as President to do the RIGHT thing instead of whatever is expedient.

Putting all your hopes in a Democratic President is simply foolish, but, with a larger majority in Congress, it would be enough for the President to not veto H.R. 676, or, indeed, not veto any liberal bill that passes Congress, if at all possible.

And, by the way, both candidates do suck on the issues, whether its about Health Care, the Military, the Iraq War, etc. I find little agreement between myself and them, why is it wrong to recognize those differences?
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 09:29 PM
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48. Neither. The purpose of my post was to show that Clinton fails to lead and or run a successful
campaign and that is why voters are running away from her. Instead of taking a stand, she licks her finger and sticks it in the air, checking to see which way the political winds are blowing. Then she decides what she SAYS based on it, but her actions are always with one motivation: power.

I feel this is a major difference between the candidates.

And as far as winning a larger majority in Congress, I wholeheartedly agree that is probably AS important. However, winning the Presidency is still just as important to win. The alternative would be McCain and an overturning of many Supreme Court rulings, as there will be more than one justice turned over in the next presidency. America will probably not survive a McCain presidency.
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chill factor Donating Member (83 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 11:28 PM
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51. I must say I agree with berni_mccoy....
There are plenty of nasty blogs that would welcome your nonsensical rhetoric with open arms. Although there are a few mavericks among the Obama supporters, most of us are not bashers. We support Senator Obama for the man he is - we do not have to bash Hillary or Mccain to make our point. Berni posted a straight-forward message. You can certainly not agree with it, but you do not have to get down-right nasty about it. You do not like the presidential candidates? Fine, leave that spot blank on your ballot and vote strictly for the Congressional candidates. Some voters are going to do that. 'Recognize the differences,' but be civil doing it.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 07:02 PM
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36. She can't buy credibility.
Bush tried that already and looked how it worked out for him.

LoL
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 07:16 PM
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39. You described job qualifications for a political consultant, not a president.
Is Obama running for President of the 2012 Presidential Election Campaign? If so, then maybe he is the man for the job.

"Credibility to Execute" is a bullshit phrase like "terminate with extreme prejudice". Can we use the old fashioned word? Competence?

From wiki:

"Competence (human resources), a standardized requirement for an individual to properly perform a specific job"


Hmmm. Hard to quantify. Experience is often a good way to measure it, but I can see why you would not want to go there.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 07:20 PM
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41. Oh my, you really need help don't you.
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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:02 PM
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52. Obama's challenge was uphill all the way. He stayed on message, ORGANIZED, used technology
to build a huge grass-roots donor base, just fired on all cylinders month after month, while Hillary sputtered and threw up huge clouds of oily, black smoke.

:dem:
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