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Levgreee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 12:51 PM
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Hillary's campaign has been emotionally manipulative, and full out outrageous, silly outbursts
Edited on Tue Apr-08-08 01:29 PM by Levgreee
is there something I am missing, or is she, through chosen actions, reinforcing stereotypical views of woman, instead of treating her position as the first viable female candidate with respect?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 12:57 PM
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1. Mostly
you're_missing_something.

Yes,she's_fought_hard,and_in_my_eyes,sometimes_dirtily,but_she_has_not_reinforced_negative_stereotypes_about_women.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:19 PM
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4. Did your space bar take leave of your keyboard?
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:30 PM
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10. Poor Cali.. :) Go buy yourself a new keyboard pal.
That spacebar must be driving you nuts. :)
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 04:06 PM
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14. Ordered
it_today,and_yes,it's_driving_me_nuts.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:00 PM
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2. I don't think she's reinforced
stereotypical views of women, but she might have sunk to new lows by calling any disagreement with her bullshit buying in to those stereotypes.


:patriot:
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:06 PM
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3. Every now and then, she tugs at my heartstrings
And I don't know if it's deliberate or not. It probably is to some degree, but it is effective. I am passionate about Obama but as a woman I feel a twinge of guilt every now and then. When she gave that whole "I am honored to be here with Barack Obama" spiel in the Texas debate, it tugged at my heartstrings and made me feel like I will be sad to see her drop out if it comes to that. I still feel that I will be sad if/when she drops out, but I also don't deny that she might be deliberately trying to create that effect. I think that's a large part of why she has done so well when her back is against the wall.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:21 PM
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5. Yes, I believe she has
Sadly, she may have done more damage in reinforcing those mental images people have about strong, authoritarian women. The next woman to run for Prez will have to do a complete 180 from her approach. They won't be starting from a level playing field, they will be starting with negatives to overcome.
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:22 PM
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6. They said the same thing about Barbara Jordan ... some things never change n/t
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:23 PM
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7. I don't necessarily think they're purposeful...
but yeah.
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Levgreee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:30 PM
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9. i reworded it as "Chosen actions" I meant she purposefully performed the actions, not purposefully
reinforced the negative stereotypes
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:33 PM
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12. Yeah...
It's just hard to believe that she does stuff like trying to claim that she spoke out against the war before Obama did.

It's just so far out there... it's hard to believe it's intentional.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:28 PM
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8. Before this gets ugly,
Edited on Tue Apr-08-08 01:29 PM by BuyingThyme
what makes her emotional manipulation and silly outbursts any different than those of men?
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:31 PM
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11. I would describe this as treading fairly close to sexism or at least encouraging it.
Why not say Clinton's campaign has been manipulative and full of outrageous claims? Why does emotional, silly and "outbursts" need to be in there.

Manipulative you can support with examples (even if others challenge those examples). Outrageous claims you can do the same with. The first seems more ad hominem and I'm not sure the same terms would be applied if Hillary was a man.

No, I see no contradiction between this comment and my OP about the politicization of "sexism" on these boards.
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:41 PM
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13. Are men not capable of being emotional and silly? I know they are certainly capable of outbursts.
John McCain will provide numerous examples of men being capable of "outbursts" - ANGRY ANGRY outbursts.

Emotional - I don't think that this word in and of itself is sexist or implies sexism. I think any politician who cries or gets teary could be described as emotional. I think of George HW Bush talking about how JEB shoulda been Prez. MAN, he was WAY more emotional than Hillary. I think Bill has been described as emotional at times and has diplayed emotion.

Silly - I think this has more to do with the arguments coming from her campaign. They are using circular logic and double think - IF they are thinking at all. They have made so many BONEHEADED moves during this campaign, I could see how someone could call them silly. I just call them STUPID. Is that sexist?

I'm just so tired of this. EVERYTHING is sexism.
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