Obama stole the Hope theme from Bill Clinton.

[anamandujano]

A gentle reminder for those of you who skipped the 90s, while pining for Raygun, like you know who.

[Danger Mouse]

1. Pining for Reagan....oh bullshit.

:puke:

[buff2]

3. Are you still here?

I smell granite. :evilgrin:

[Starbucks Anarchist]

16. I smell the charred remains of Hillary's campaign.

[Danger Mouse]

24. what'd ignored have to say this time?

[anamandujano]

28. If you had me on ignore, you wouldn't see the thread.

:silly:

[golddigger]

37. Busted his ass...lmao!

[krkaufman]

112. oops. not so much.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5428974#5429903

[Danger Mouse]

38. not you, the person who responded to me.

i only put people on ignore when they become absolutely intolerable.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

35. Some wacky-ass projection, as usual.

[golddigger]

36. If you have him on ignore WTF would you care?

[golddigger]

45. HE SAID ARE YOU STILL HERE? can you hear now?

[Danger Mouse]

65. one obnoxious response wasn't enough, so you had to go for two?

psh.

[rodeodance]

66. you missed the 3 polls today--How foolish you look by saying that.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

71. You missed her losing in delegates, money and states won.

Who looks foolish now?

[rodeodance]

76. you do--that is old 'news"

[Starbucks Anarchist]

78. Old news?

:rofl:

It's called the path to the nomination.

:rofl:

[mckeown1128]

88. You mean the polls showing that she isn't going to win PA by a..

big enough margin to keep her in the contest???

[my3boyz]

103. Gloat all you want abt your polls! Obama will win the nomination!

Get used to it!

[Changenow]

60. Morning in America was a hope

campaign as well.

People want hope.

[anamandujano]

93. But they got a kick in the @ss from Raygun, the same they'll get

from Obama and his empty promises.

[rodeodance]

63. Obama complemented taygun you know--yes he did

[Danger Mouse]

67. he was acknowledging reagan's strengths, not saying he agreed with him.

we may all hate him at DU, but among most americans, he still seems to be remembered pretty fondly.
hillary would've done the same if she thought it'd get her a few more votes.
honestly, i don't see it as a big deal, and i wouldn't have seen it as a big deal if hillary had said it.
after all, you don't have to AGREE with a person if you pay them a compliment.
from how i read it, it was kind of a backhanded compliment anyway.

[knixphan]

81. exactly.

[dionysus]

87. LOL.....

from the Hillbot Manual(TM) page 34, section C; "When getting pwned on the DU and the youtunes, bring back the really old lies, hoping people have forgotten them."

[ellacott]

2. Clinton was the only one who had hope?

It's funny that Hillary has been most critical of this theme even though it's been reported that she came up with the line, "I still believe in a place called Hope".

[woolldog]

5. I guess Bill Clinton has a monopoly on hope?

:shrug:

[gorekerrydreamticket]

26. Yes, no one can ever use the word again...

I guess that's the ridiculous point of the OP...

[krkaufman]

113. I figure Obama's picking-up the mantle of Hope ...

... since Clinton never actually delivered on his promises. (Though did Clinton ever say the people should have hope, or did he just run around insinuating it by saying he was from a town called Hope?)

[buff2]

7. She didn't.

It was Bill,because he lived in Hope Arkansas and Hot Springs. We visited both places back in the 90's. Everyone we talked to praised Bill.They all said he was just like he is now,back then when he was growing up. Caring about others. I was really impressed with what I heard.

[movonne]

18. That was then...this is now...back in the 90's I thought very highly

of the clintons..but no more...back then I didn't pay too much attention to politics...but as I started getting interested in politics I could see more about them and have changed my mind about the clintons..

[ellacott]

19. I know he is from Hope

I read it was Hillary who gave him that phrase.

[polpilot]

68. Bubba 'hoped' she wouldn't find out. Hope was a big part of Bubba.

[blm]

90. I HOPED Bill wouldn't deep-six Reagan and Bush's crimes of office, but HE DID and now we're

stuck with both of their revised legacies because that's what Clinton was set up to do - protect BushInc. Just like Hillary planned to do for Bush2 into the next decade.

Well - BushInc HOPED she would, anyway.

[stellanoir]

4. Nobody owns Hope

Your sig pick is sick IMHO.

[buff2]

8. That's almost as bad as the ones in here about Hillary.

Those were the nastiest I've ever seen.

[OzarkDem]

30. Especially Obama,

who only thinks of it in terms of himself

[stellanoir]

57. Do you know him personally or something ?

Or are you just being plain snarky?

Yeah, he only says "we" at least five times for every time someone else says "I".

That is truly the sign of a person's interest being total self interest.

/sarcasm

[merh]

6. And Hillary makes fun of it

what's that tell you.

Oh, BTW, no one has cornered the market on hope, some dashed hopes by inactions and distractions, but they never cornered the market nor do they own hope.

:hi:

[GarbagemanLB]

10. BINGO. Hillary made fun of Bill's own campaign, then! LOL

[merh]

25. Yeah, been trying to tell these clinton supporters that make

fun of Obama because of his hope and change words and speeches that they need to go look at Bill's first campaign. And Hillary mocks it and down plays it and belittles it, how sad to think that taking away someone's hope is the way to win anything.

[karynnj]

9. Well it looks like you skipped the 1960s, when "High Hopes" was a JFK song

Googling to make sure it was JFK, I found this cool You tube

PS I bet that someone WAY before Kennedy used "Hope" as a theme - it's a pretty obvious one as is change.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC18w-1_Wcs

Here is the Frank Sinatra sung Kennedy song - http://video.aol.com/video-detail/high-hopes-1960-kennedy-campaign-song/3013194139

[anamandujano]

31. My point exactly. It's a well worn cliche and you guys are lapping it up

as something NEW and DIFFERENT, CUTTING EDGE, INSPIRATIONAL.

:rofl:

[karynnj]

47. Not me -

I'm old enough to know that all of the high level slogans that work are er-cycled. It drove me crazy when the Edwards people acted as if poverty, 2 Americas etc was completely new.

[rodeodance]

77. yes,--so so many are cycled-

[merh]

104. And you are mocking the administration that gave hillary

her experience. :rofl:

[Zhade]

11. 1) Fuck your bullshit reagan remark and 2) hope doesn't belong to either clinton.

(Unless it's hope not to be discovered in another lie.)

[buff2]

12. Who does it belong to?

Obama? :shrug:

[rodeodance]

64. and it certainly does not belong to Obama!!

[Hugabear]

106. It belongs to EVERYONE

Please, try to understand this.

It was your candidate who was openly mocking Obama for his messages of hope.

[John Q. Citizen]

13. Hillary has been completely unable to cope with Obama. He pwns her. I guess it's fair

that she tried to use his "Yes we can" chant at her rallies. Hill stole Jessie Jackson's "Universal Health Care" campaign slogan for single payer health insurance from 1988, and attached it to her private insurance company subsidy program.

You know what's great about Obama? He's smart, capable, confident, and he's going to make a great president.

[ellacott]

23. I saw video of one rally where she said

I'm fired up and ready to go.

[islandmkl]

14. In Arkansas, Bill left Hope long ago...

some say...

[Melinda]

15. Just like Bill Clinton stole the word hope from Ted Kennedy's 1980 Dem Convention Speech?

We are the Party -- We are the Party of the New Freedom, the New Deal, and the New Frontier. We have always been the Party of hope. So this year let us offer new hope, new hope to an America uncertain about the present, but unsurpassed in its potential for the future. - Edward Kennedy, DNP, 1980

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/tedkennedy1980dnc.htm


Or maybe Lincoln?

Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. - Abe Lincoln, 2nd Inagural address

Yours has to be one of the silliest, most stretching OP's ever. I mean really.



Really!!

:eyes:

[mythyc]

17. .

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[apocalypsehow]

20. Every time I see one of your posts, I click hoping to find it devoid of inane logical fallacies and

dishonest special pleading. And am always disappointed to find my hopes dashed every time, to date. Including this time.

:thumbsdown:

[zulchzulu]

21. Thomas Jefferson was into hope...

"I steer my bark with hope in the head, leaving fear astern. My hopes indeed sometimes fail, but not oftener than the forebodings of the gloomy."

Thomas Jefferson
1816

Molly Ivins said it best:

"I still believe in Hope - mostly because there's no such place as Fingers Crossed, Arkansas."

[AllentownJake]

22. Hope as a theme

Hope or optimism

Bill Clinton stole it from Bush in 88 (Thousand points of light) who stole it from Reagan in 80 and 84 (Morning in America) who stole it from Carter in 76 who stole it from Kennedy in 60 (Nixon never ran on hope) (New Frontier) who stole it from FDR in 1932 (New Deal)......Who stole it from a rag tag group of colonist in 1776 that had Hope they could become their own nation.

Hope seems to be a winning theme....seems like your candidate should of thought of that instead of Experience

[knixphan]

82. YES!

[SeattleGirl]

27. So does this mean that if ONE CANDIDATE, at some time in history,

uses a word or a theme, that word or theme is off limits to anyone else?

This argument is just plain silly.

[Pawel K]

29. lol. A hillary supporter is bringing this up? How ironic

you do know that HRC is the one saying hope doesn't exist?

[kwenu]

32. Let's just be glad Obama didn't steal Bill's taste in women!

[tokenlib]

33. Triangulation, seizing republican ideas for his own, and a few other miscellaneous....

..problems caused much of that hope to dissipate.

[MethuenProgressive]

34. BO's Hope™ is Better! His has puppies, an' rainbows, an' cupcakes, an' a fresh springtime scent!!

It the New and Improved Hope™!

:grouphug:

[uponit7771]

51. ...don't forget he's biracial

[Qanisqineq]

102. Can't have cupcakes without some kool-aid to wash them down

Just don't forget the kool-aid

[Cooley Hurd]

39. No, "Hope" was the Big Dog's hometown...

Barack's "Hope" is NOT from where he's FROM, but where he's GOING.:thumbsup:

[polichick]

40. Who knew that the Big Dog had a lock on hope??

[rodeodance]

80. OP did not say that.

[tinrobot]

41. Good artists copy. Great artists steal.

Clinton was great at what he did, and he stole from Kennedy and FDR.

Obama is just doing the same thing.

Too bad Hillary can't seem to do it.

[anamandujano]

98. It's hard to pin the label NEW on a tired cliche and get a bunch of

lemmings to go along for the ride. Congrats to him on that.

[Downtown Hound]

Right, because no politician has ever used hope as a tactic

before Clinton. Yeah, Clinton invented the word all by himself. And he has a copyright on it, so no one else can use it without his permission.


:sarcasm:

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

42. The concept of HOPE actually predates the Clintons, if you can imagine such a thing.

[quantass]

43. **Blame the American People for believing the world can be a better place

and blame hillary for not adopting it because she sure needs a lot of it right now

[NOLALady]

44. Obama stole the Hope theme

and Hillary supported the IWR.

Let's see, I can't decide which is worse. Ummmm.

[golddigger]

49. And Obama keeps on funding it.

[Vinca]

46. Thanks for the information.

That means Rev. Wright had no part in the title of Obama's book, "The Audacity of Hope."

[rodeodance]

69. OP certainly makes your thread a LIE

[anamandujano]

100. It's so obvious and yet they still can't understand my point.

[Awsi Dooger]

48. I know one thing

I was more impressed with Obama, before I dug out my old VHS tapes from '92 and watched Bill Clinton.

It was absolutely startling, all the Courage to Change optimism along with specifics, the real world application.

From that point forward, Obama's speeches seem like half a loaf.

[golddigger]

52. More like a slice of moldy bread.

[rodeodance]

75. I love listening to Bill's speeches

[TTUBatfan2008]

50. Which makes Bill look bad...

when he goes out there claiming that hope and change are an empty message and that "experience" is most important. Bill ran the same campaign in '92 that Barack is currently running yet he turns around shilling for his wife simply because she got her ass kicked on the "change" message.

[smiley_glad_hands]

53. Didn't know hope was a comodity.

Bill did some good, hope was a theme of his. He was very good at what he did. I won't use this as an oppurtunity to bash Bill or the 90's, I am a fan of both.

That being said. Hill is no bill and the third way/dlc agenda no longer has a place in the party, imho.

[AspenRose]

54. OK-I'm confused.

If Obama talks about hope, he can't take credit for inspiring people because he stole it from Bill Clinton.

*OR*

If Obama talks about hope, he is misleading people because it's "empty rhetoric" and he's an "empty suit" full of hot air.

Which is it, please? I'm confused. Does that make Bill Clinton full of hot air too?

This is silly.

Really.

Both men are good, persuasive speakers in their own right.

[rodeodance]

72. and Obama folk mocked Hillary for daring to use the word!!

[cooolandrew]

55. Then if some ridiculle hope now. Do the Clintons still believe in a place called hope?

[Bongo Prophet]

56. And Bill stole it from Jesse Jackson in 1988, who stole it from the bible, from GOD!!!!!

Hope, deceitful as it is, serves at least to lead us to the end of our lives by an agreeable route. ~François Duc de La Rochefoucauld


Once you choose hope, anything's possible. ~Christopher Reeve


Hope is the only universal liar who never loses his reputation for veracity. ~Robert G. Ingersoll


Things which you do not hope happen more frequently than things which you do hope. ~Titus Maccius Plautus


Hope is some extraordinary spiritual grace that God gives us to control our fears, not to oust them. ~Vincent McNabb


In reality, hope is the worst of all evils, because it prolongs man's torments. ~Friedrich Nietzsche, Human, All Too Human, 1878


When the world says, "Give up,"
Hope whispers, "Try it one more time."
~Author Unknown


Love floods us with hope. ~Jareb Teague


There is nothing so well known as that we should not expect something for nothing - but we all do and call it Hope. ~Edgar Howe


Hope itself is a species of happiness, and, perhaps, the chief happiness which this world affords; but, like all other pleasures immoderately enjoyed, the excesses of hope must be expiated by pain. ~Samuel Johnson


Hope is that thing with feathers that perches in the soul and sings the tune without the words and never stops... at all. ~Emily Dickinson


Hope begins in the dark, the stubborn hope that if you just show up and try to do the right thing, the dawn will come. ~Anne Lamott


The miserable have no other medicine
But only hope.
~William Shakespeare, Measure for Measure


The road that is built in hope is more pleasant to the traveler than the road built in despair, even though they both lead to the same destination. ~Marian Zimmer Bradley


You've gotta have hope. Without hope life is meaningless. Without hope life is meaning less and less. ~Author Unknown


Hope is the feeling we have that the feeling we have is not permanent. ~Mignon McLaughlin, The Neurotic's Notebook, 1960


Lord save us all from... a hope tree that has lost the faculty of putting out blossoms. ~Mark Twain


Hope is faith holding out its hand in the dark. ~George Iles


When hope is hungry, everything feeds it. ~Mignon McLaughlin, The Neurotic's Notebook, 1960


Hope is putting faith to work when doubting would be easier. ~Author Unknown


If one truly has lost hope, one would not be on hand to say so. ~Eric Bentley


The sudden disappointment of a hope leaves a scar which the ultimate fulfillment of that hope never entirely removes. ~Thomas Hardy


Hope is independent of the apparatus of logic. ~Norman Cousins


Sanity may be madness but the maddest of all is to see life as it is and not as it should be. ~Don Quixote


It's all one thing - both tend into one scope -
To live upon Tobacco and on Hope,
The one's but smoke, the other is but wind.
~Sir Robert Aytoun of Kincaldie, "Sonnet on Tobacco"


Hope is necessary in every condition. The miseries of poverty, sickness, of captivity, would, without this comfort, be insupportable. ~Samuel Johnson


Hope is the physician of each misery. ~Irish Proverb


Hope deceives more men than cunning does. ~Vauvenargues, Reflections and Maxims, 1746


Take hope from the heart of man and you make him a beast of prey. ~Ouida


It is the around-the-corner brand of hope that prompts people to action, while the distant hope acts as an opiate. ~Eric Hoffer


To eat bread without hope is still slowly to starve to death. ~Pearl S. Buck


Hope is but the dream of those who wake. ~Matthew Prior


Hope is grief's best music. ~Author Unknown


There is no hope unmingled with fear, and no fear unmingled with hope. ~Baruch Spinoza


He that lives upon hope will die fasting. ~Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack


When you say a situation or a person is hopeless, you're slamming the door in the face of God. ~Charles L. Allen


Hope never abandons you, you abandon it. ~George Weinberg


Some see a hopeless end, while others see an endless hope. ~Author Unknown


Hope is patience with the lamp lit. ~Tertullian


Hope is like a road in the country; there was never a road, but when many people walk on it, the road comes into existence. ~Lin Yutang


Hope is the poor man's bread. ~Gary Herbert


Hope is the word which God has written on the brow of every man. ~Victor Hugo


Hope is the only bee that makes honey without flowers. ~Robert Ingersoll

[golddigger]

59. Obama, "Hope my ear piece doesn't fall out when debating Hillary."--goldigger

[Bongo Prophet]

61. Comedy gold, digger!

;)

[rodeodance]

91. He doesn't need it--as he has memorized "I agree with Hillary"

[anamandujano]

94. Bwaaaahahahahaha! Thanks for that!

[Window]

58. Right.

:thumbsdown:

[anamandujano]

99. Wright.

:thumbsdown:

[Forkboy]

62. Speaking of pining for Reagan: H wins "Reagan Dems"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5429228

:rofl:

[madrchsod]

92. ya that is a great bit of loving old ronny....

[Radical Activist]

70. Hillary believed in that message in '92. Why not now?

Yes, I have considered that Hillary is dismissing the message her own husband ran on in '92. Did she not believe it then? Why doesn't she now?
Is this another example of how she shows no sign of having consistent beliefs or core values that don't change with each poll? I think it is.

[Reader Rabbit]

73. They both stole it from Pandora.

The Greeks want their hope back. Damned thieving Americans.

[Califooyah Operative]

74. Who'd Bill steal it from?

He certainly didn't invent it. I can think of plenty of pre-90's candidates, who either represented or ran on hope.

[johnnydrama]

79. what does Bill have to say?

"One of Clinton's laws of politics is this. If one candidate is trying to scare you and the other one is try get you to think, if one candidate is appealing to your fears and the other one is appealing to your hopes, you better vote for the person who wants you to think and hope. "

Thank you Bill, I will do just that.

[Cali_Democrat]

83. and now Hillary mocks Obama supporters who dare to hope

How dare they. Hillary has essentially become the anti-hope and the status quo. I want none of it.

[ProSense]

84. Bill stole hope from Jesse Jackson

Keep hope alive. Keep hope alive! Keep hope alive! -- Jesse Jackson, 1988 Democratic National Convention Address

[DrFunkenstein]

85. Bill Clinton Stole Hope From Welfare Mothers

A gentle reminder for those of you who skipped the 90s. On the plus side, CEO pay skyrocketed at historic rates while worker's wages stagnated.

[knixphan]

86. 'Hope I can pay those vendors in Ohio..."

~anonymous

[Kahuna]

97. Oh no you di'int!

:rofl:

[mckeown1128]

89. Clinton invented hope?!

By the way so what if Clinton ran a campaign on hope... what does that have to do with the Candidate's actually in the race?

[GalleryGod]

95. It was Bubba's Home Town, and a maudlin ending to an OK acceptance speech

I was there in the The Garden as a Clinton-voting delegate.

Otherwise ESAD,JAFO.

[Kahuna]

96. You need some new grapes. The ones you have are sour.

:rofl:

[my3boyz]

101. Whine..whine..whine...nt

[Ian_rd]

105. I didn't know "hope" belonged to anyone.

Just once, I want to see a pro-Hillary post with actual substance instead of snarky crying quips and hollow insults.

[chieftain]

107. Why did Hillary steal Dole's "bridge to the past" theme ?

Since she did not skip the 90's you would have thought she and Penn would have remembered that nostalgia does not move an electorate.
Seriously, nobody "steals" anything in politics. There are a finite number of themes available. The secret is not in concocting a new approach, it is in selecting the right meme for the time and then deploying it successfully.
Politics is the art of persuasion, of moving the polity. Whatever you think about policy differences, Barack has proven conclusively that he is light years ahead of Hillary on connecting with the American people.
BTW, the image of Obama as Frankenstein is childish. If you had something of substance to say , it would have been lost because of the insert.

[mkultra]

108. He also stole the nomination from Hillary.

hes such a dick.

[intaglio]

109. Got a prayer? I think "Hope" as a slogan

has a far longer history than Bill; it's just that the Clintons seem to have given up on "hope" - except forlorn ones, of course

[atal]

110. The same Clinton said Obama's Hope was a Fairy Tale

[Lucky 13]

111. Yeah, and then the Clintons made fun of him for it...

not because it sounds so similar to Bill's campaign, but HOW SILLY some young man might come along and promise this nation HOPE!

OUTRAGEOUS!

[texas_indy]

114. And Hillary stole the Experience theme from Bush Sr. Really working out, eh?? (nt)

[otohara]

115. Gentle Reminder Noted

Clinton's hope theme came from his home town.