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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:25 PM Original message |
Three PA polls out today: Clinton leads in all three as Obama momentum stops. H wins "Reagan Dems" |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
1. Great news. |
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democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #1 |
24. Why? The new people tend to be more progressive than the Reagan Dems. |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #24 |
35. Yes - The new people seem so progressive! |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:06 PM Response to Reply #35 |
67. You know... |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. What is the hell does this have to do with Hillary's Campaign? |
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democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 05:16 PM Response to Reply #69 |
83. There's a lot of ageism against Obama supporters |
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Rob Gregory Browne (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 06:18 PM Response to Reply #83 |
91. I'm an old white person and |
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struck_dumb (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:07 PM Response to Reply #35 |
68. :) lol |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #24 |
51. Let's face it the reality is we need both if we are to build a long-term governing majority |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:14 PM Response to Reply #51 |
70. I agree. I am just happy that people are comin' home! |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
2. Obama is weak on all issues |
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mckeown1128 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Negative attacks like these: |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:33 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. A similar and longer list could be compiled regarding Obama |
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mckeown1128 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 07:43 PM Response to Reply #10 |
94. Ok.. let me see it... I don't believe you. nt |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:03 PM Response to Reply #2 |
58. That is just so out of touch with reality |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:05 PM Response to Reply #58 |
64. Oddsmakers: She'll win some battles but lose the war |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
3. Dropping from a 30 pt lead to a 6 pt lead is good news?? |
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GarbagemanLB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Remember, this is Hillaryworld: up is down, black is white, etc. etc. |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:33 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. At this point they've moved the goalposts into a different area code. |
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Zachstar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:33 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Only in the minds of Some Clinton supporters |
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Mooney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #3 |
13. It's the end of his momentum! |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. What 30 pt lead? Apparently you didn't read the OP, typical for an Obamite |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. LOL - You're really pretending there was no such lead??? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. There wasn't. Have you heard the term "outlier"? |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. I may be missing something but for the last 3 months I've heard about Hillary's massive lead in PA |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. Shhhhh - that poster is pretending. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:43 PM Response to Reply #22 |
36. 18-19 points tops. The 26 pt one was an outlier |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:47 PM Response to Reply #36 |
44. Let's not forget that Obama won Texas. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #44 |
52. Obama lost by something like 100,000 votes |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. This is a delegate race, and he won Texas. Get a grip. |
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swishyfeet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:38 PM Response to Reply #52 |
75. 100,000 dittoheads. |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 07:58 PM Response to Reply #36 |
100. jackson_dem, you are spot on! |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:30 PM Response to Reply #22 |
72. Yeah, sometimes I find myself wondering what happened to it |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 07:53 PM Response to Reply #14 |
97. She increased her lead. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:35 PM Response to Reply #3 |
15. I don't trust these polls |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. I spoke with someone just today who works closely with Gallup... |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. They have no way of predicting |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:01 PM Response to Reply #21 |
53. Just like Ohio and Texas where Obama did better in polls than the actual vote |
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ORDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 05:24 PM Response to Reply #21 |
86. Younger voters tend to have cell phones only, pollsters can't reach them. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #15 |
25. Perhaps but perhaps not. The new voters didn't rescue Obama in Ohio |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:45 PM Response to Reply #25 |
39. Same day voter registration |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 07:54 PM Response to Reply #25 |
98. The polls had her winning Ohio by 5%. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:37 PM Response to Reply #3 |
20. Gaining 6 points is bad news? Retaining a lead without losing ground is bad news? |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:41 PM Response to Reply #20 |
33. Retaining a lead "without losing ground"??? You're too much! |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:44 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. That is very good when you are being outspent 3:1/4:1 on advertising |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:45 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Obama's ads are introductions - everybody already knows Hillary. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #40 |
55. Everybody knows Obama too. Ads have a big effect when you outspend 3:1/4:1 |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:04 PM Response to Reply #55 |
61. In case you've forgotten, Hillary was First Lady for 8 years... |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 05:19 PM Response to Reply #61 |
84. Yes, her name recognition three months ago ws 99%. Obama's was only 97% |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 06:03 PM Response to Reply #84 |
90. Name recognition is hardly enough - people across the country know Hillary... |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:48 PM Response to Reply #55 |
81. It's not Obama's fault that Hillary's a craptastic money manager. |
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GoesTo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 08:45 PM Response to Reply #3 |
104. No, first she dropped from a 30 to a 2 point lead, now it's back up to 6 |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
5. Lol. Mark Penn, is that you? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #5 |
16. That and what I wrote are not mutually exclusive |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #16 |
47. Actually all of the recent PA polls, excluding SUSA... |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:03 PM Response to Reply #47 |
59. It depends on what time frame you cherry pick |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 07:57 PM Response to Reply #16 |
99. And Hillary has her ground forces out. |
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mckeown1128 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
9. Typical Clinton spin... |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #9 |
54. She is up REGARDLESS that Obama is OUTSPENDING her 4: 1-SPIN THAT!! |
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mckeown1128 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 07:39 PM Response to Reply #54 |
93. Don't complain about money being spent... |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
11. He gained 3 points in the Q-Poll in five days, so some polls do not show the MO stopping |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #11 |
30. 3 points is meaningless due to margin of error |
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BlueIdaho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 05:38 PM Response to Reply #30 |
88. What's the margin of error on the Hillary up 6 poll? nt. |
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Bigleaf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
12. You must be extremely dizzy. |
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slick8790 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:37 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. Dude sounds like he'd try to sell a ceiling fan in a hurricane. n/t |
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youknowmenotdlc (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 05:30 PM Response to Reply #12 |
87. I don't see how these poll trends are good for Hil |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
18. Clinton has been ahead by 20 points how is this bad for Obama? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #18 |
34. Where were you for Ohio? |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:46 PM Response to Reply #18 |
42. It's not, this OP just like to play games with numbers, and indulge in fairy tales. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
26. "Why is Clinton winning?" |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. LOL good point n/t |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:41 PM Original message |
this is exhausting |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:43 PM Response to Reply #26 |
37. ROFL!!! |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:45 PM Response to Reply #26 |
41. If you "believe" Obama is winning PA go ahead |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:47 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Hello! It doesn't matter. His delegate lead is insurmountable. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:04 PM Response to Reply #43 |
60. He has 2,024? |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #60 |
71. You Clintonites really need to learn the meaning of "insurmountable lead" |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #71 |
76. As a non-participant in this thread |
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Perry Logan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
31. Once again, the prick of reality bursts the Obamite bubble. |
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Bigleaf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:48 PM Response to Reply #31 |
46. Yep. We're all devastated. Can't you tell? Things are getting really bad in Camp Obama. |
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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #31 |
49. The reality is that Hill needed a HUGE win in PA and she isn't going to get it. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:04 PM Response to Reply #49 |
62. "Stick a fork in her, the goose is cooked"--are you advocating violence? |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:36 PM Response to Reply #62 |
73. Are you batshit insane? |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:42 PM Response to Reply #73 |
77. You seriously don't know the answer to that question? |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:46 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. Sorry. I don't know what I was thinking. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:05 PM Response to Reply #49 |
63. She needs a win. The bamites saying she needed a "huge win" said the same thing about OH/TX |
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book_worm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
32. most of the polls except for Survey USA show Obama gaining |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:47 PM Response to Reply #32 |
45. Rassmussen shows no gain, Quinn is within the margin of error |
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lefty from jersey (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. Ed Rendell lurks |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 08:01 PM Response to Reply #50 |
102. Anytime HRC wins, |
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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
48. These numbers are devastating for hillary!!!! Thanks for posting!! |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:06 PM Response to Reply #48 |
66. Facts are facts. She is losing NC and I still posted it |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
57. REC |
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kwenu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
65. I was ready to say well good for Hillary until I read your Bullshit commentary. |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
74. She appeals to people who only share our ideals when it suits them. |
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Bensthename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
78. Obama has made up almost 20 points in a few weeks. And still 2 weeks to go.. |
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wowimthere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
79. Okay so the fix is in. Machine Politics as usual but you wouldn't think... |
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Tropics_Dude83 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
82. Unlike you, Jackson_Dem... |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 05:22 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. So you want the rethugs to win every election for a generation? |
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superkia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
89. I cant believe she has lost so much ground, what did she do? |
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ChimpersMcSmirkers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 07:07 PM Response to Original message |
92. I present, The Trend |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
95. lol. She leads in Reagan democrats. |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 08:00 PM Response to Reply #95 |
101. she`s not going to get them... |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 07:44 PM Response to Original message |
96. K & R! |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
103. Any objective, reasoned analysis shows PA is tightening. |
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