Another Clinton story that could be wrong?

[karynnj]

In another story, retold recently in Youngstown, Ohio, she describes a "young woman who lost her husband in Iraq, a lovely young woman who had a daughter."

"Here's what happened to her," Clinton said. "She was given $6,000.She was told to leave the base within 90 days. She was told her daughter was no longer eligible for Army medical care. She was basically on her own. So I said, 'That's not right.' So we began to work to change what was really cruel -- you lose your husband, you lose your wife, you lose your mom or your dad, and you're out, and nobody seemed to care." "

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/02/AR2008040203030_2.html

Sounds compassionate right, but if it happened, it was contrary to the law -- a law that the Armed Services Committee, that HRC sits on, wrote. By law, she would have been allowed to stay on the base for a year. This is HRC using the emotion and pain of a situation to make herself look compassionate as she tells the story to millions. Reading this I remembered watching C-SPAN in 2005 when this was addressed.

In 2005, a Kerry amendment, passed by voice vote, changed the length of time from 180 days to a year. Yet HRC is speaking of it being 90 days. Does she always make things up. I had remembered watching Kerry's speech when he introduced that and another amendment to help the troops. I was struck by how different he sounded from either the brilliant debater or the ebullient campaigner. He was almost soft spoken and there was a huge amount of compassion for the people who would need this change that showed in his face and voice. Senator Warner called for that bill to be accepted into the bill with unanimous consent - and it was. That was compassion that used the emotional nature of the situation to make a tragic situation a bit better. Both Warner and Kerry reacted to push doing what was right - and it was seen by everyone watching CSPAN at that moment.


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Here is the introduction of the amendment, from Thomas:

"Mr. KERRY. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that reading of the amendments be dispensed with.
<snip>

I have a second amendment at the desk to help military families lessen the disruption that a death brings to the family.

At the present time, the survivors of those killed in action have to move out of military housing in 180 days. But for those with young children in school, that becomes entirely disruptive often with respect to the school district kids are able to go to, and it is a very difficult burden in many cases for widows and widowers to have to try to confront all of the difficulties of that transition, including the efforts of finding housing . The 180 days may mean starting a school year in one State and finishing it in another. I don't believe that is a message we ought to be extending to the families of those who give their lives in service to our country.

Given all of the disruption the loss of a parent brings to their lives, I propose allowing survivors the option to keep their housing for a whole year as they deal with the countless other challenges. It may seem like a small change, but I have heard from enough different folks on active duty in the military about the significance of this particular need, and it can make a huge difference for a family who is struggling with the loss of a father or a mother.

Investing in our military families is not just appropriating the money for the equipment or the latest technology for the deployment itself, it is investing in the families themselves. And it is not as an act of compassion, it is a smart investment in America's military . Good commanders know that while you may recruit an individual soldier or marine, you retain a whole family. That is the way we ought to look at our policies.

Nearly 50 percent of America's service members are married today. If we want to retain our most experienced service

members, particularly after we have invested millions of dollars in their training, then it is important--especially for the noncommissioned officers who are the backbone of the military --that we keep faith with their families. If we don't, and those experienced enlisted leaders begin to leave, we as a nation are weakened.

The two amendments I have proposed today are the beginning of a larger effort to do right by our military families. I believe it is a strong beginning. By joining measures to take care of military families at home with legislation to take care of those remarkable young men and women serving abroad, we are going to take a firm step toward putting meaning behind the promise to support our troops. I hope these amendments are agreed to.
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Here is the status of that amendment:

"S.AMDT.1502
Amends: S.1042
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (submitted 7/25/2005) (proposed 11/8/2005)

AMENDMENT PURPOSE:
To make permanent the extension of the period of temporary continuation of basic allowance for housing for dependents of members of the Armed Forces who die on active duty.

TEXT OF AMENDMENT AS SUBMITTED: CR S8858

STATUS:

11/8/2005:
Amendment SA 1502 proposed by Senator Warner for Senator Kerry. (consideration: CR S12497-12513; text: CR S12502)
11/8/2005:
Amendment SA 1502 agreed to in Senate by Unanimous Consent.

COSPONSORS(1):

Sen Lautenberg, Frank R. - 9/27/2005
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Text of amendment from CR 8858:

" SA 1502. Mr. KERRY submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the bill S. 1042, to authorize appropriations for fiscal year 2006 for military activities of the Department of Defense, for military construction, and for defense activities of the Department of Energy, to prescribe personnel strengths for such fiscal year for the Armed Forces, and for other purposes; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows:

At the end of subtitle A of title VI, add the following:

SEC. 605. PERMANENT EXTENSION OF PERIOD OF TEMPORARY CONTINUATION OF BASIC ALLOWANCE FOR HOUSING FOR DEPENDENTS OF MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES WHO DIE ON ACTIVE DUTY.

Effective immediately after the termination, pursuant to subsection (b) of section 1022 of the Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act for Defense, the Global War on Terror, and Tsunami Relief, 2005 (Public Law 109-13; 119 State. 251), of the amendments made by subsection (a) of such section, section 403(1) of title 37, United States Code, is amended by striking ``180 days'' each place it appears and inserting ``365 days''. "
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Here is the defense appropriation bill:
U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 109th Congress - 1st Session

as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate

Vote Summary

Question: On Passage of the Bill (S. 1042 As Amended )
Vote Number: 326 Vote Date: November 15, 2005, 12:50 PM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Bill Passed
Measure Number: S. 1042
Measure Title: An original bill to authorize appropriations for fiscal year 2006 for military activities of the Department of Defense, for military construction, and for defense activities of the Department of Energy, to prescribe personnel strengths for such fiscal year for the Armed Forces, and for other purposes.
Vote Counts: YEAs 98
NAYs 0
Not Voting 2
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Under amendments:
195. S.AMDT.1502 to S.1042 To make permanent the extension of the period of temporary continuation of basic allowance for housing for dependents of members of the Armed Forces who die on active duty.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 7/25/2005) Cosponsors (1)
Latest Major Action: 11/8/2005 Senate amendment agreed to. Status: Amendment SA 1502 agreed to in Senate by Unanimous Consent.

[Hepburn]

1. Hilly spinning tales again??? I am shocked....

...NOT!

[DearAbby]

2. this is what happens when you tell lies

everything that comes out of her mouth will be in doubt. Too bad she felt the need to pad her resume with that stupid sniper story. How can we think of electing someone we can no longer trust to tell us the truth?

[Cha]

65. It wasn't just the Sniper Liar story.. but

that one, while lying to the military audience, was the one that opened the much needed floodgates on getting the others more exposed.

"Why Hillary’s Lies are Important"

By - March 24, 2008, 9:53PM
Hillary Clinton has been caught in a series of lies and misrepresentations during the primary campaign. To some of her supporters, these lies may seem trivial and insignificant and even politics-as-usual. However, please consider the serious impact of these lies by placing them in the context of the past seven years of the Bush Administration and the legacy of expanded executive power that he leaves behind. In particular, consider the dangerous message that the Clinton campaign sends by employing similar tactics to achieve her political goals.

1. The Florida and Michigan Primaries / The Delegate Count
Hillary agreed to honor the DNC’s decision to strip Florida and Michigan of its delegates after their primaries were moved up into January in express violation of the DNC rules. She did not change her position on the validity of these primaries until she found herself unexpectedly behind in the delegate count and desperately needed to claim the delegates that she had won in these unsanctioned contests. As her chances of winning the nomination became increasingly slim in recent weeks, we have been presented with threatening and desperate lines of reasoning for why these primary results should count as is. At the same time, Clinton and her surrogates continue to propose different metrics for determining who should win the nomination even though there is and has been a clearly defined process in place for several decades.

Please think about the implications of changing election rules after the fact. We have suffered through at least one stolen presidential election and the manipulation of untold numbers of Congressional and state elections through various vote tampering and voter intimidation schemes used by the Republicans and their allies. The American people (and especially Democratic voters) have lost faith in the integrity of the election process. The Clinton strategy to continually change the rules for determining the Democratic Party nominee sets a dangerous precedent that could lead to increasingly un-Democratic elections in the future if it is allowed to succeed. If anything, we need more transparency and methods of accountability in our elections in order to repair the damage done in recent years and to restore our confidence in the Government.

2. The Bosnia Fabrication / Exaggerated Experience Claims
Hillary fabricated a story about a dangerous, life-risking visit to Bosnia in order to gain stature as an experienced negotiator in international conflicts and war. While this type of embellishment can seem almost comical, it represents a willingness to distort reality in order to influence the public perception. This is the same type of distortion that the Bush administration used to justify the war in Iraq, although the magnitude of the lie is certainly on a different scale. The Bush administration falsified reports, cherry-picked intelligence, used unreliable sources, and employed fear-mongering tactics to convince the American public that our safety was at risk and as such, you were either with us or with the terrorists. The lies used by President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney are impeachable offenses and should be condemned by all Americans. Sadly, the Clinton campaign seems to have shown a shocking willingness to employ the same tactics to create a more favorable reality and to rely on divide-and-conquer rhetoric to weaken opposition. Her attempts to frighten the American people by conjuring up 3 AM phone calls are bad enough, but her vote of confidence in John McCain over Barack Obama should be seen as treason against the Democratic Party.

3. NAFTA
Hillary lied about her position on NAFTA and used her lies in a calculated way to influence the Ohio primary. Recently released White House documents confirm that Hillary had been an active proponent of NAFTA prior to its passage, and she has continued to support it publicly in her speeches and memoir. However, while campaigning in Ohio, she claimed to have been privately against NAFTA during the Clinton presidency and believes that it should be rewritten to protect American jobs and workers. This type of maneuvering is reminiscent of the behind-closed-doors policy-making that the Bush administration has used during the past seven years. Specifically, Bush and Cheney have made policy decisions without providing transparency to Congress or the public, and President Bush has repeatedly ignored the rule of law by issuing signing statements and disregarding the parts of the laws that he doesn’t agree with. If we cannot trust Hillary to be truthful about her positions on critical legislative issues now, how can we trust that she will be truthful as president?

These are just three examples that illustrate the concerns we should have with a candidate who demonstrates a sense of entitlement to the nomination and is willing to lie, misrepresent, threaten, and divide in order to obtain the nomination. President Bush and the neoconservative movement have greatly harmed this country by the creation of an imperial-like presidency. This election is not just about whether a Democrat or Republican wins but if the checks and balances are restored to the three branches of government. The framers of the Constitution were in such fear of an imperial president that mechanisms for impeachment are prominently and explicitly included in the Constitution. If Hillary Clinton is willing to use lies and deceit to win the Democratic nomination, what assurances do we have that she will not continue to use them once she is president?
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/why-h ...

<snip>

"Her response to being caught lying to a military audience, when she invented a story about being under sniper fire in Bosnia, was to say it wasn't surprising she got some things wrong, seeing how she spoke millions of words every day. What a magnificent idea, that if you say lots of words some of them are bound to be fantastic lies. So if you listen carefully to horse-racing commentators they say things like "And it's Teddy's Boy still leading three furlongs out as they come up to the fourth last fence with Nip and Tuck two lengths behind by the way I fought a tiger once, punched it clean out and they're all safely over."

<lots more>
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/opinion/article3 ...

[C_U_L8R]

3. Hillary's baloney sandwich keeps getting bigger

it's stupefying.

[Mags]

4. you folks just wait to attack anything that she says, don't you

have any loyalty to the Dem party. You just want to trash Hillary. Think that will help you if BO makes the GE?\

[catgirl]

5. So these stories are okay with you?

If she had never told them, then it wouldn't be an issue, would it?

[hogwyld]

6. Wouldn't it be better to hold ALL dems to a higher standard?

I would like the truth from my politicians, no matter how mundane, or painful. That is one of the reasons for a lot of people to vote against her is her "Truthiness" Now, I don't necessarily hate her, but, I don't trust her.

[karynnj]

7. No, I just don't like lies that use emotion and pain

if they aren't true. If this happened, HRC could have questioned it - and thought as Kerry did that this was just wrong - and it added extra pain to families going through the worst that could happen. She, could have thought the rule should change. Kerry was not an that committee - but he got a bill passed.

It could be that this was a case where the rules were not followed or it could be another case of not vetting the info.

[Hepburn]

8. I kind of see it in the reverse....

...Hillary by lying all the time is what trashes the Dem Party.

JMHO

[Mags]

25. all you do is trash Hillary , she is a Dem , but you are so happy and eager

to trash her , you don't have to have proof, just a rumor and here comes the trash, your good at that.

[Hepburn]

28. OK.....

....let's play your game:

Give me proof she was under sniper fire in Bosnia.

You prove that up and I will reconsider my opinion of her as being a fucking liar and trash to the Dem Party.

Ball's in your court...go for it!

[Mags]

36. you are a joke Hepburn, there is nothing that could be proved to you

that would change your stance for BO, you live and breath him. You have been brainwashed by the BO hype, I have no desire to to sway you , you can't see the forest for the trees , a lost cause you are. Ball is in your court. Go for it.

[Hepburn]

40. Actually....

...I am an Edwards supporter. Nice try on the bullshit. Does lying come naturally to you as it does to your candidate? Just curious....

So...where's the proof that HilLIARy has not been telling tall tales again? Nice try to change the subject by a personal attack ... but I am NOT the one running for POTUS and lying my ass off like HiLIARy is.

So, again: You are the one with your panties in a twist cuz HilLIARy is again shown to be lying. You think this unfair, wrong, whatever ~~ then prove she was NOT lying or STFU, OK?

BTW: Ball never left your court...but out of the goodness of my heart and your obvious inabilities, I will give you a do-over.

:eyes:

[Mags]

47. bless you Hepburn , it is quiet obvious you are troubled.

[Hepburn]

50. LOL....

...yep, real troubled.

:rofl:

[Mags]

55. I really feel sad for you. I know you have a limited life and you have

fallen for the crap of BHO, I hope you can see the light and know that he is not going to be there for you when the going gets rougher. Bless you and may you see the light before it is too late.

[Hepburn]

56. Actually....

...my life is limited ~~ some view it that way ~~ because I am handicapped. I don't see it that way ~~ but thanks for your pity...it's very welcome.

:eyes:

And...the difference between you and me is that I don't NEED Obama like you NEED Hillary. So maybe I am not that disabled after all.

[Mags]

57. good for you.

[Lucky 13]

72. She has a limited life?

1) How the fuck do you know?
2) Who the fuck are you to judge?
3) Why you gotta be so mean and personal?

[Major Hogwash]

41. Oh, that's just a bunch of malarky. "there is nothing that could be proved to you"

Jaysus Krist, gat a frickin' dickshinarry!

[Mags]

49. ha ha, what a joke you have become

[Major Hogwash]

61. Lighten up, Mags.

We all have our el guapos.

[Hepburn]

53. Well.....

...the demographics are that the Obama supporters are better educated. :hi:

[Mags]

62. wow, I feel better, such knowledge coming out for Him, there is not way he can loose now.

what a great thing for him, he is the only that gets the educated, what a great thing to run on. I am sure the rest of the American folks will fall in line.

[Zhade]

48. What's a joke is your refusal to admit you're wrong and that clinton is a proven liar.

It's pretty fucking pathetic - what did she ever give you to toss your principles out the window to support a proven liar?

[Zhade]

46. But we DO have proof. Check out the Tuzla videos. Check out the NAFTA documents.

That you can't accept the proven fact that she lies means nothing to those of us who actually care about honesty.

[Lucky 13]

71. Mags, NO ONE HERE MAKES HER LIE we just don't appreciate it when she does!

What's more disturbing is how you can defend blatantly lying to the American people. You've got blinders on buddy, big time. Your candidate hurts herself... we don't have to do a damn thing.

[Heathen57]

80. I'm really not so sure Hillary is a Dem any longer

from what I have seen in her votes and her triangulation, and the way she has run her campaign, I honestly think Hillary is her own party and is just using the Democratic Party as a platform.

JMO

[ut oh]

9. Did you even read what was said????

Hillary is again telling stories that are factually incorrect. Yes, the excuse, "every politician lies... blah blah blah.."

It's really ok, with you, for her to be dishonest like this?

[blm]

29. Do you have ANY standard of integrity for your heroes? Is lying consistently a prerequisite

to get your devotion?

[Zhade]

44. We think it's our duty as citizens to point out lies.

Especially those of our own party (or those we affiliate ourselves with) -- it's not OUR fault that clinton's a proven pathological liar. SHE'S the one who opened her mouth and started willfully telling untruths over and over again.

[donheld]

77. If only

she didn't make it so very easy to attack. Nobody makes her lie.

[Hugabear]

83. How about if Hillary stops telling tall tales?

Is that so hard?

[Erin Elizabeth]

58. Your wish is my command.

Maybe we should just post this on all the Clinton lies:

[C_U_L8R]

66. thank you thank you

there are a lot of hungry mouths to feed on this thread : - )))

Got any mustard?

[redsoxrudy]

70. My Baloney has a first name.

It's Hillary. (Doesn't quite fit the tune. Oh well.)

[Liquorice]

10. It was despicable when the press continuously called

Al Gore a liar, and dug up story after story to prove their point. It's just as vile when it's done to Hillary Clinton.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2000/0004.parry.html

[ut oh]

11. ooooo Spin and divert

It's all Al Gore's fault!!!!

[Liquorice]

12. Al Gore's fault? What are you talking about? nt

[Hepburn]

14. The difference is that....

...HilLIARy is lying.

[Liquorice]

17. They said the same thing about Gore. The exact same thing. It's just not right

to characterize Hillary Clinton as a liar anymore than it was to call Al Gore a liar. It's bottom of the barrel politics.

[Hepburn]

Soooooooo....

....she really, really WAS under sniper fire in Bosnia and had to run with her head down for safety after she landed?

Well, gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah-leee (Goomer Pyle voice), I didn't know that!

:eyes:

[Mags]

63. prove it.

[elehhhhna]

15. why does she make up sob-stories? like there aren't enough real ones in this country?

[Liquorice]

19. Al Gore made up phony sob stories too, at least according to the press. This is an

exact repeat of what they did to Gore.

[ProSense]

22. "at least according to the press," but this isn't according to the press. This is what we know. n/t

[Hepburn]

35. Good point....

...cuz Hillary is a PROVEN LIAR!

[karynnj]

18. The press didn't do this I did - because I remembered Kerry's amendment

The problem is that when she heard the story she did nothing.

[Liquorice]

21. It's really dirty to call someone a liar over and over again and try to

mischaracterize that person as a liar for political points.

[ProSense]

23. What do you call it when someone lies over and over again for political points? n/t

[karynnj]

26. I read the article and I had watched the amendment introduced

I wrote this and posted it, backing it up as best I could. I think that it shows a discrepancy. It also could be that there is an explanation. Hillary Clinton herself holds some others to standards she fails herself.

How many of Gore's stories ended up being factually wrong? He was said to have exaggerated when he rarely did. Kerry didn't lie about anything. I didn't even call her a liar - she may simply have been told a lie, not checked it and not considered to bring it up on the Armed Services committee to see if this could be fixed. As Kerry said in 2005, this was not even something that would cost much.

[Hepburn]

33. Who's trying to make political points?

I think Hillary Clinton is a pathological liar. Look at the shit she says....it's all over the place. The lady IMO would LIE if the truth served her better.

People have posted a ton of her lies...you want we should remind you?

[Zhade]

52. The evidence is out there. Your ignorant denial doesn't make it vanish.

So go back to your campaign masters and tell them we're not as fucking stupid as you.

[Elidor]

31. So there really were snipers in Bosnia, huh?

It's a dirty rotten shame that the truth of Hillary's bravery under fire is being suppressed by the media.

There's a crucial difference between Al Gore and Hillary Clinton: Al wasn't full of shit. Hillary is.

[Zhade]

51. Except that we actually have evidence of her lies. They're undeniable.

You still haven't watched the Tuzla videos that prove she lied about nonexistent sniper fire, have you?

[jordi_fanclub]

13. k&r

:popcorn:

[JBoy]

16. Whether real or perception, the telling of tall tales is sinking Hillary.

These little nuggets of untruth are plaque in the arteries of her campaign.

[emilyg]

20. Stop it.

[karynnj]

27. Stop what - trying to provide the truth on a nice amendment to help the soldiers' families?

[Hepburn]

34. Why,,,,,

...she's a LIAR and should be exposed before she takes the entire party down with her and we fucking get Grandpa McCain as the next POTUS.

You wanna believe her bullshit? That is YOUR choice, but please don't expect others to believe the shit she spews when the facts are at great variance with what she says.

JMHO

[emilyg]

67. I feel sorry for you. Your hatred must eat you up.

[Lucky 13]

74. I feel sorry for you. Your idiocy must make it hard to walk upright.

I have never seen you post anything but one liners. Do you have anything to contribute besides negativity and judgement?

[emilyg]

84. Seems you are an expert on judgement.

[Major Hogwash]

39. Why? Don't you think the people have a right to know how big a liar Hillary really is?

Dude, if you think that she has more electability than Obama just because she tells more lies more often, I have bad news for you - that is not the standard Democrats use to select their candidates.

[emilyg]

68. Dude?

[politicasista]

24. K&R

:kick:

[Yael]

30. Another one?

What, has it been a day already?

[Hepburn]

37. Suddenly....

...I find myself breaking out in song....

"What a difference a day makes, 24 little hours..."

:hi:

[Yael]

42. And here I sit thinking

same shit different day.

:hi:

[Debi]

32. Maybe her tale was about a pre-2005 widow...

:crazy: or not.

[Hepburn]

38. Hi, Debi.....

...then....maybe Hilly made it up?

Who knows with her anymore! :hi:

[Yael]

43. Nothing before 2005 counts!

Didn't you get the email blast?

[rinsd]

45. Since we invaded Iraq in 3/03 and this passed in 11/05, could this have happened during that time?

This is dog medicine and Gore all over again and I am surprised you are falling for this.

"So I said, 'That's not right.' So we began to work to change what was really cruel -- you lose your husband, you lose your wife, you lose your mom or your dad, and you're out, and nobody seemed to care."

[karynnj]

59. First of all in 2004, the length of time was 180 days

Second, HRC had nothing to do with fixing this. It was Kerry's bill with just Lautenberg on it. In addition this was suppose to be from the campaign trail. It was also not a bill that needed a huge amount beyond Kerry's introduction and his comments of the difference it would make to families.

Your interpretation has her taking credit for KERRY's work - she did not say "That's not right - he did.

[karynnj]

60. First of all in 2004, the length of time was 180 days

Second, HRC had nothing to do with fixing this. It was Kerry's bill with just Lautenberg on it. In addition this was suppose to be from the campaign trail. It was also not a bill that needed a huge amount beyond Kerry's introduction and his comments of the difference it would make to families.

Your interpretation has her taking credit for KERRY's work - she did not say "That's not right - he did.

[PoliticalAmazon]

54. Let's wait for confirmation. Military has been known to not follow its own rules before. n/t

[Cha]

64. "Here's what happened to her."

"Now this is what happened." is the way hilary started out her Bosnian Sniper Liar story when she was addressing a military audience.

When hilary starts out a story by saying something happened..it's looking like it Never Happened.

[roseBudd]

69. I think you just hit on Hillary's "tell"

[ElsewheresDaughter]

73. get a fucking life

[Inuca]

79. What a lovely and well thought out answer n/t

[eridani]

75. What really pisses me off about this--

--is that there is near 100% certain to be a real, vetted story out there which would make the exact same point she is trying to make with an inaccurate one. Why not do the fucking research? Has no one on her staff ever heard of Google?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

81. Hillary has been ill-advised. She should have done her own homework.

I don't know whether these little stories come from her campaign meetings or whether she finds them herself?

[AtomicKitten]

76. Have a heart; people make mistakes under sniper fire.

[dailykoff]

82. I'm sure it's all a big misunderstanding.

Not.

[AtomicKitten]

85. sniper fire

[dailykoff]

78. HRC, ready to hot dog on day one.

Awesome catch! :thumbsup:

[DemGa]

86. "Hillary is a liar" is a campaign tactic put out by BO

"Obama Camp Memo on Clinton “Misleading” Voters"

http://thepage.time.com/obama-camp-memo-on-clinton-misleading-voters/

Same crap they did to Al Gore. You Obamas have been had. The sad part is, it's a certain faction of the Democratic Party pulling this vile crap.

http://ariannaonline.huffingtonpost.com/columns/column.php?id=228

[AtomicKitten]

87. The difference is she HAS lied, repeatedly. Gore didn't lie.

I realize it's convenient to sweep things neatly in a pile, but those piles are very different and not at all comparable. Hillary's VICTIM card is potent for some, bullshit to the rest, and there is a reason for that disparity. I wonder if you can guess what that is.

[DemGa]

88. Nonsense that's a rationalization

Whether or not you've been duped by it is not the point -- This vile crap is coming straight from BO.

[AtomicKitten]

89. Your lame attempt at psyops is duly noted, but the truth resonates regardless.

[DemGa]

90. Indeed it does -- and BO is behind this slander

http://thepage.time.com/obama-camp-memo-on-clinton-misleading-voters/

[AtomicKitten]

91. Waaaaaa!!! "HillaryHub tells me so." Play that VICTIM card!!

[proud2BlibKansan]

94. Oh I love your sig line

Any news? Is she going to get to come back?

[StevieM]

92. Yep, Obama is trying to James Lee Witt his way to the nomination. I'm disgusted by his campaign(eom)

[Cali_Democrat]

93. Clinocchio strikes again!!!