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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:59 AM
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The Trouble With Brand Hillary

Clinton leadership a study in missteps

By JIM VANDEHEI & DAVID PAUL KUHN | 4/9/08 4:38 AM EST

Hillary Rodham Clinton wants voters to decide the nomination based on who can coolly and competently run the country. She had better hope they don’t study her recent campaign too closely for the answer.

Clinton has overseen two major staff shake-ups in two months. She has left a trail of unpaid bills and unhappy vendors and had to loan her own campaign $5 million to keep it afloat in January. Her campaign badly underestimated her main adversary, Barack Obama, miscalculated the importance of organizing caucus states and was caught flat-footed after failing to lock up the nomination on Super Tuesday.

It would be easy to dismiss all of this as fairly conventional political stumbling — if she hadn’t made her supreme readiness and managerial competence the central issue of her presidential campaign.

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Obama can rightly claim he has run a more consistent, disciplined and technologically savvy campaign. While Clinton has blown though nearly a half-dozen campaign slogans and failed to put concerns about her credibility to rest, he has clung to essentially the same leadership and governing message he outlined in his 2004 speech at the Democratic convention. There has been little drama inside his operation — or at least if there was, it has been kept largely concealed.

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*** A Clinton house divided: So Bill Clinton, it turns out, supports the Colombian free trade agreement that his wife opposes. In fact, according to our count, this is at least the fourth policy disagreement Bill and Hillary have had -- Colombia, NAFTA, whether to boycott the opening Olympics ceremony, and torture (as we found out at the September debate at Dartmouth). "Like other married couples who disagree on issues from time to time, she disagrees with her husband,” Clinton spokesman Jay Carson told the AP, regarding Bill’s support for the Colombian deal. Those of us who are married know that Jay is right: Married couples can disagree on almost anything, including policy. But then again, not every spouse is Bill Clinton, a former president who would be his wife’s most important adviser and confidante if she wins the White House. His positions on issues -- even when they disagree -- do matter, especially when groups supporting one side give him $800,000 in speaking fees.

*** Embracing their differences: Differences with Bill, in fact, should have been a badge of honor for Hillary at some point in this campaign. Perhaps the strategy was to showcase her "Sister Souljah" moments with her husband during the general, because Dem primary voters were happy with Bill's years in the White House. Hindsight indicates that maybe she should have bragged about these policy differences a lot sooner so she could be her own candidate sooner. Eight years ago, George W. Bush had the luxury of being forced to prove his differences with his former presidential father in the primary, while hugging him in the general (as he did a bit).

*** A North Carolina blowout? Seriously, the two Dem gubernatorial candidates in North Carolina are fighting over who supports Obama more. In fact, one candidate (Richard Moore) is using paid advertising to tout his Obama support. Maybe we should stop pretending North Carolina is going to be competitive; it's not. The problem now for Clinton is what will the delegate count and popular vote count look like after May 6 if North Carolina is a blowout for Obama -- and if Clinton wins narrowly in Pennsylvania and Indiana. Will Obama net more delegates out of North Carolina than Clinton nets out of Pennsylvania and Indiana combined (if she wins them both)? Will Obama's popular vote lead actually grow after North Carolina, because his win there is bigger than hypothetical combined Clinton victories in PA and IN? This is the dilemma for Clinton's campaign in the Tar Heel State. It may be unwinnable, but campaigning seriously in the state and attempting to close the gap is an absolute must because of the state's potential effect on delegates and total votes.

*** Politics means you always have to say you're sorry: Looking back on the presidential contest, five of most important themes/storylines have been (so far) race and gender, Iraq, the economy, the fundraising, and the role of the superdelegates. If you were to add a sixth, it might have to be the apology. As we've noted before, there have been a plethora of apologies this cycle -- from Edwards (for his 2002 war vote), Bob Johnson and Billy Shaheen (for references to Obama's teenage drug use), Samantha Power (for her "monster" comment), and the list goes on and on. Well, you can now add one more to the list: Obama supporter Jay Rockefeller, for saying that McCain’s days as a Navy pilot didn’t prepare him for an understanding of everyday issues. “McCain was a fighter pilot, who dropped laser-guided missiles from 35,000 feet. He was long gone when they hit. What happened when they get to the ground? He doesn’t know. You have to care about the lives of people. McCain never gets into those issues.” When’s the next apology…?

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The Trouble With Brand Hillary

By MICHAEL ZELDIN
April 9, 2008

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Recently the Clinton campaign released a portion Sen. Clinton's White House daily activity logs. These logs provide the first independent means to evaluate her claim that her White House years provided her the relevant national security/commander-in-chief experience to be president.

A preliminary analysis of these logs has begun to reveal Mrs. Clinton's claims of experience to be overstated. If these logs continue to bear out that she is less experienced than she has claimed, she will, at best, be branded as an exaggerator. She then will face an onslaught that will make the Gore and Kerry attacks look like a walk in the park.

On a related point, Mrs. Clinton has been arguing to primary voters that she is more electable than Barack Obama because "she has been vetted fully so there will be no general election surprises." Well, the recently released tax returns appear to undermine this argument as well.

Specifically, these returns demonstrate the former President Clinton made tens of millions of dollars on the speaking circuit and by helping to broker business deals or make introductions around the world. This is his prerogative as a private citizen. What the returns do not tell us, however, is who paid for these speeches; who his clients were/are; whether he can unwind his business relationships (he is being sued by one of his clients for fraud in state court in California); what conflicts of interest or appearances of conflict reside in his seven-year, private-sector career. (Remember the difficulty Geraldine Ferraro's husband created for her candidacy?). A lot more openness and transparency will be required by Bill Clinton before it is known just how vulnerable Hillary Clinton is as a general election candidate.

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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:02 AM
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1. K&R
Alot more vetting, including that Clinton Library donor list, needs to happen. This is the type of thing that 527s will use against her.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:09 AM
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2. About that library... I ran across this WaPo article from December:
If they're not trying to hide anything, I don't understand why they're stonewalling on releasing who's involved.


Clinton Library Got Funds From Abroad
Saudis Said to Have Given $10 Million

By John Solomon and Jeffrey H. Birnbaum
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, December 15, 2007; A03


Bill Clinton's presidential library raised more than 10 percent of the cost of its $165 million facility from foreign sources, with the most generous overseas donation coming from Saudi Arabia, according to interviews yesterday.

The royal family of Saudi Arabia gave the Clinton facility in Little Rock about $10 million, roughly the same amount it gave toward the presidential library of George H.W. Bush, according to people directly familiar with the contributions.

The presidential campaign of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) has for months faced questions about the source of the money for her husband's presidential library. During a September debate, moderator Tim Russert asked the senator whether her husband would release a donor list. Clinton said she was sure her husband would "be happy to consider that," though the former president later declined to provide a list of donors.

Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) has made an issue of the large yet unidentified contributors to presidential libraries, saying that he wants to avoid even the appearance of impropriety in such donations. Obama has introduced legislation that would require disclosure of all contributions to presidential libraries, including Clinton's, and Congress has actively debated such a proposal. Unlike campaign donations, money given to presidential libraries is often done with limited or no disclosure.

The Clinton library has steadfastly declined to reveal its donors, saying they were promised confidentiality. The William J. Clinton Foundation, which funds the library, is considered a charity whose contributors can remain anonymous.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/14/AR2007121402124_pf.html
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:38 PM
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24. Now there is a
Pandora's box.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:26 AM
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3. Maybe they believe that the RNC
will ignore this and pretend it doesn't exist like they are doing. Hillary's campaign certainly wants us to believe that someone else is responsible for everything she and Bill did.

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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:34 AM
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4. The fact that the same falsehoods about the Clintons like those
Edited on Wed Apr-09-08 09:37 AM by BenDavid
from the conservatives/Republicans in the ’90s, are now showing up in the supposedly-progressive threads of supposedly-progressive blogs/sites isn’t making me feel good. Of course we Clinton’s supporters are horrified by it. Destroying the Clintons does not help the party, and will do it serious harm in November.

If Obama can’t get his campaign to discourage this crap, we will lose in November, and won’t be the Clintons’ fault.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:38 AM
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5. Where are the "falsehoods"? n/t
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:53 AM
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8. Maybe things keep coming up because they are TRUE.
MAYBE this wouldn't happen if they would even ATTEMPT to keep their nose clean.
MAYBE if they weren't overrun by their own arrogance they would be able to make better choices.

MAYBE if you didn't have all voices of criticism automatically on MUTE you could be a little more honest with yourself about your candidate. Instead all I hear all day long is excuse after excuse for bad behavior.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 10:27 AM
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11. I used to think it was all about being in denial,
but it appears that some of her supporters are in shock.

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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 11:21 AM
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12. Maybe I'm a BITCH, but I don't have ANY sympathy for that.
I was "in shock" when John Edwards dropped out. I was ACTUALLY distressed. I deeply believed he was the right man for the job. And I didn't really care for either Barack or Hillary.

But such is life. I didn't throw a temper tantrum and vow not to vote in the fall. Or threaten to write in "John Edwards". OR WORSE threaten to vote Republican. (UNTHINKABLE) I started about trying to make an informed decision on the remaining candidates.

How many times as Democrats have we suffered SHOCKING STUNNING HEARTBREAKING losses? MANY. MANY MANY MANY.

We pick ourselves up. We get over it. We move on. We maintain our logic and sanity. We start planning for the next fight.

These people have fucking fallen to pieces!! Jiminey Christmas, I don't want these people making ANY important decisions for the country if this is how they handle pressure or defeat.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 11:24 AM
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13. Thanks BenDavid...
This is a sad post to see.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 11:34 AM
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14. What's sad: Hillary's lies, Penn and Bill Clinton's pushing the Colombian trade deal or
Edited on Wed Apr-09-08 11:34 AM by ProSense
your inability to deal with people calling them or their BS?

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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 11:53 AM
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18. Destroying the Clintons?
What, do you mean we can't bring up their mistakes and poor judgment? The holy family of the dem party (to some) can't make mistakes, never made mistakes, are beyond reproach?

Talk about GOP/RNC/VRWC - sounds like the righties not expecting their boy and his family to have to answer to anyone, as if they are above the law.

Sounds like Dick Cheney's thinking to me.

BTW, go study some past history - look into those no fly zones that gave this admin that foot hold in Iraq, that made an invasion so easy. See who it was that perpetuated foreign policy that allowed for the warmongers to have their way. Check to see if the NFZs were legal, then get back to me about the perfections of those you defend.

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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 12:00 PM
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20. Could you be more specific? What are the "falsehoods" in the OM??
Or are you merely riffing in this thread on an unrelated lament?

:wtf:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 02:44 PM
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30. Didn't really expect a response. n/t
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:45 AM
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6. I noticed this a few months ago...
Despite the fact that she is very intelligent, she's not really a good manager.

It could be argued that she is so involved in the day to day events of this campaign that she has little time to devote to the minor details such as bills.

A good manager hires competent people to take care of the little details.

It also could be argued that she never anticipated she would be in such a tough fight to win the Democratic nomination. The media and many political experts expected her to be corinated President.

A good manager or leaders knows that you never underestimate your opponents. The current President underestimated his opponents in Iraq and look at the mess we find ourselves in today. We don't need another President in office who suffers from overconfidence.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:54 AM
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9. She has the same crucial managerial flaw that W has...
The need to be surrounded by loyal "Yes" men.

This is why she still refuses to cut ties with Penn.
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JayFredMuggs Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:50 AM
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7. Excellent links throughout this thread. Thanks ! eom
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 10:05 AM
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10. Death Squads, Trade and Democracy in Columbia vs. Venezuela

Death Squads, Trade and Democracy in Columbia vs. Venezuela

By Nathan Newman - April 8, 2008, 5:00PM

The discussion of Mark Penn's representation of Columbia while being a top aide to Hillary Clinton inevitably gets reduced to discussions of the politics of trade, or just plain electoral politics.

But let's be clear, the government of Columbia is uniquely hated by the global labor movement. In no other country are labor leaders ROUTINELY murdered in the streets. Not fired from their jobs, not jailed, but killed by rightwing paramilitary forces that linked to rightwing forces backing the exact government paying Mark Penn's exorbinant commission. See this chart of union murders by EPI, outlining recent years of killings, in a country where more than 2,534 unionists have been assassinated over the last 21 years.

Now compare this to Venezeuela's Chavez, not my favorite representative of leftist leadership, but still a head of government who faced rightwing labor leaders who led a general strike against him and even collaborated with a coup against him. Yet Chavez did not have those labor leaders murdered or even engage in mass jailings. Instead, he fought elections both at the polls and within the labor movement itself. It's a messy story and some not always stellar democratic actions, but compared to a place like Columbia where labor relations have involved death squads, a shining beacon of democracy.

There is little doubt that if Clinton had a top strategist being paid tens of thousands of dollars by Hugo Chavez to represent that country's interests, mainstream media would be in complete witchhunt mode and Clinton would probably be in a death spiral. Yet protests against Mark Penn's association with a country, where death squads are a routine part of its country's politics suppressing labor rights, are treated by many in the media as some kind of special interest protest.

That we are even discussing rewarding the Uribe regime with enhanced trade relations, instead of debating sanctions, or at least withdrawal of U.S. aid to his regime, is a travesty. But Mark Penn and the corrupt bipartisan culture of lobbyists supporting regimes like Uribe's to promote trade deals at the expense of workers in both countries is exactly the problem. The sad part of the story is that the guy stepping into Penn's position as chief strategist, Howard Wolfson, remains an equity partner at the Glover Park Group (even though he is officially separated from the firm), which also is lobbying on behalf of the Columbia free trade deal.

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More on the Clintons' Colombian connection




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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 11:36 AM
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15. Hillary didn't know Bill was advising Dubai leaders in the Port debacle - what else doesn't she know
Hillary Clinton 'unaware' of Bill's Dubai ties

By Stephanie Kirchgaessner
Financial Times March 4, 2006

Hillary Clinton, a leading opponent of DP World's takeover of some US port operations, was this week forced to admit that she did not know her husband had advised Dubai leaders on how to handle the growing dispute.

But former President Bill Clinton's ties to Dubai and the United Arab Emirates should not have come as a surprise to his New York senator wife.

Mrs Clinton's own senatorial financial disclosure forms reveal that her husband earned $450,000 giving speeches in Dubai in 2002.

Officials from the UAE also donated between $500,000 and $1m to fund Mr Clinton's presidential library in Arkansas.

(snip)

Privately, some Democrats see the revelations about his ties to the UAE as a classic Clinton dilemma. Mrs Clinton told the New York Post on Thursday that she did not know her husband had been contacted by Dubai officials two weeks ago and offered them advice on the deal. Although both Hillary and Bill Clinton say he stands behind her on the issue and there is no direct conflict, his relationship to the UAE has complicated her political stance on the transaction.

Meanwhile, the UAE has sought to quell the backlash against the takeover by hiring some Clinton officials - and Republicans - to lobby on Dubai's behalf.

................

And Hillary supporters are saying it is OK for one of the Middle East and Indian biggest lobbyists to access to the President of the United States! What else didn't HRC know that is going on?

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 11:45 AM
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16. Hillary was also unaware
Edited on Wed Apr-09-08 11:46 AM by ProSense
that Bill was meeting with Kazakhstan officials in her own home

Of course she had a response to questions about Bill's shady dealings: "Clinton noted that Dick Cheney had also gone to the country to praise its regime."

Nothing like the Cheney defense!

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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 11:53 AM
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19. WOW - thanks didn't know that one!
:wow:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:16 PM
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26. Unbelievable isn't it? n/t
Edited on Wed Apr-09-08 08:17 PM by ProSense
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 11:47 AM
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17. The Clinton Brand has proven they have no coattails when we must become a supermajority.
K&R
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 12:09 PM
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21. K & R
:thumbsup:
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 12:13 PM
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22. Brand Hillary is like "New Coke" - same name but a huge bust!
Some ideas sound good, but turn out to be big losers, like Hillary for President.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 01:59 PM
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23. What happened to being unaware?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:06 PM
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25. hilary is the misstepper who keeps
on giving. What has she gotten right? I mean really right..not just some campaign tactic to make her look like a decent human being?

Thanks, Pro, for putting these interesting articles together for us.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:36 AM
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27. Bill Clinton, Colombia, 2005 (with video)

Bill Clinton, Colombia, 2005

April 10, 2008 9:11 AM

Our friend Ben Smith at Politico reported this week on former President Bill Clinton's appearance at an exposition in Colombia in May 2005, when he advocated for the Colombia-US trade deal opposed by unions and by his wife, Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY.

Our amazing foreign desk was able to get a hold of the video of the event, as it was aired in Colombia -- with simultaneous translation -- which you can watch HERE.

The translation is a bit distracting, but you can hear him say towards the end of the clip that "the best thing we can do is to do the Andean Trade Pact, then finish the Free Trade" agreement with Colombia.

Colombian media covered his support of the trade deal, as we see in the video clip, as in this newspaper story which reports Clinton told the leaders of Colombia, Ecuador and Peru "not to panic" over the free trade agreement and said the timing was problematic.

"I think we have to miss the electoral pressure in the United States," Clinton said, according to the newspaper. "This is a bad time for the free trade in the United States. There is an emotional momentum away from greater integration ….The only thing I can say is that it would be a serious mistake for the United States not to conclude a Free Trade Agreement with the Andean countries."

Asked about her husband's different position on this issue yesterday outside of Pittsburgh, Sen. Clinton said, "I don’t think any married couple I know agrees on everything and we disagree on this. You know the Colombia free trade deal in my view is not appropriate because of the history of suppression and targeting killings of labor organizers in Colombia."


Death Squads, Trade and Democracy in Columbia vs. Venezuela


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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 02:06 PM
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28. A voter switches to Obama
Obama earned my vote, Hillary lost it.

At some point those who haven't already will realize Hillary's tactics aren't working.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 10:09 PM
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29. When dirty doesn't work:

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 08:41 AM
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31. Bitter-gate backlash
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 08:46 AM by ProSense
*** Backlash? Two polls in major papers today will set the CW that the Clinton campaign will struggle with: that the attacks on Obama -- while softening up Obama -- have done as much, if not more, damage to Clinton. And that damage doesn't do anything to make the case she's somehow more electable than Obama. Per the Washington Post/ABC survey, Clinton’s unfavorability score is 54%, which is up 14 points since January; Obama’s, by comparison is 39%. Also, 58% say she’s not honest and not trustworthy. What’s more, Obama leads McCain by five points, while Clinton trails the Arizona senator by three. In addition, new LA Times/Bloomberg polls -- which show Obama ahead by five points in Indiana and 13 points in North Carolina, yet trailing Clinton by five in Pennsylvania -- has some similar findings. “Clinton also suffers from being seen as less admirable than Obama. Even in Pennsylvania, 47% of Democrats said he had more honesty and integrity, compared with 26% who thought that of Clinton.” This is the box Clinton's been in ever since Obama took the lead in this race: If she attacks, she raises her negatives almost as fast (if not faster) than she raises Obama's. These new poll numbers from the Post and Times indicate Clinton cannot be overly aggressive tonight and that could mean there's little chance of a knockout blow by her of him.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 10:11 AM
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32. Bill Clinton's gaffes stump Hillary

Bill Clinton's gaffes stump Hillary

By Jonathan Mann

(CNN) -- There are probably days when Hillary Clinton is really grateful to the man she's married and there are days when she couldn't possibly be.

<...>

Trouble is, lately he's been getting in her way, and the strain of it is beginning to show.

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When the campaign started, Clinton's role was behind the scenes, but as months passed and the effort faltered he began campaigning widely. Since then, the US has been treated to:

• A comment that enraged many African-Americans. Bill Clinton said that Barack Obama's opposition to the war in Iraq was a "fairy tale." At the time, it was seen as a belittling slight.

• An unexpected conflict-of-interest. Hillary demoted her chief advisor after he admitted that Colombia paid his firm $300,000 to help arrange a trade deal with the U.S. that she campaigned against. It turns out that Bill Clinton was paid $800,000 for work for a Colombia-based group that supports the deal too.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 09:35 PM
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33. Clinton adviser quits over China rhetoric

Clinton adviser quits over China rhetoric

By LISA LERER | 4/18/08 8:32 PM EST

A top expert on China has resigned as an informal adviser to Hillary Rodham Clinton’s campaign in the wake of the candidate's increasingly harsh anti-China rhetoric.

Richard Baum, a political science professor at the Center for Chinese Studies at UCLA, resigned in light of what he called “grossly misguided accusations” made by Clinton about China.

“As a lifelong Democrat, it saddens me that Senator Clinton has chosen to take the low road in her effort to gain our party’s presidential nomination,” Baum said in an e-mail to Politico.

The Clinton campaign did not immediately respond to requests for comment by Politico.

Clinton recently has ratcheted up her anti-China sentiments, criticizing the country on everything from its human rights violations to its undervalued currency.




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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 10:20 PM
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34. I don't think
She is really anti China, it's just another one of her "say anything" to get elected moments. She is trying to convince those who lost jobs to outsourcing that she is "with" them, when in reality she is simply trying to get elected.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:52 AM
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35. The Hillary campaign's money problems
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