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monicaaida Donating Member (172 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:52 AM
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Hillary steals obama's words
Hillary at a townhall today


"maybe the president can answer from me what the general could not, what is our endgame"
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:55 AM
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1. I heard that. She also lied about Obama's plans to leave Iraq.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 02:28 PM
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18. I hate her freakin' lyin' about Obama the worst of all..
she can't keep it to lying about her exploits in Bosnia, Nafta, hospital stump stories, chelsea, ad infinitum..so has to LIE about Obama's stances on his own issues to PUFF herself up.

"Why Hillary’s Lies are Important"

- March 24, 2008, 9:53PM
"Hillary Clinton has been caught in a series of lies and misrepresentations during the primary campaign. To some of her supporters, these lies may seem trivial and insignificant and even politics-as-usual. However, please consider the serious impact of these lies by placing them in the context of the past seven years of the Bush Administration and the legacy of expanded executive power that he leaves behind. In particular, consider the dangerous message that the Clinton campaign sends by employing similar tactics to achieve her political goals.

1. The Florida and Michigan Primaries / The Delegate Count
Hillary agreed to honor the DNC’s decision to strip Florida and Michigan of its delegates after their primaries were moved up into January in express violation of the DNC rules. She did not change her position on the validity of these primaries until she found herself unexpectedly behind in the delegate count and desperately needed to claim the delegates that she had won in these unsanctioned contests. As her chances of winning the nomination became increasingly slim in recent weeks, we have been presented with threatening and desperate lines of reasoning for why these primary results should count as is. At the same time, Clinton and her surrogates continue to propose different metrics for determining who should win the nomination even though there is and has been a clearly defined process in place for several decades.

Please think about the implications of changing election rules after the fact. We have suffered through at least one stolen presidential election and the manipulation of untold numbers of Congressional and state elections through various vote tampering and voter intimidation schemes used by the Republicans and their allies. The American people (and especially Democratic voters) have lost faith in the integrity of the election process. The Clinton strategy to continually change the rules for determining the Democratic Party nominee sets a dangerous precedent that could lead to increasingly un-Democratic elections in the future if it is allowed to succeed. If anything, we need more transparency and methods of accountability in our elections in order to repair the damage done in recent years and to restore our confidence in the Government.

2. The Bosnia Fabrication / Exaggerated Experience Claims
Hillary fabricated a story about a dangerous, life-risking visit to Bosnia in order to gain stature as an experienced negotiator in international conflicts and war. While this type of embellishment can seem almost comical, it represents a willingness to distort reality in order to influence the public perception. This is the same type of distortion that the Bush administration used to justify the war in Iraq, although the magnitude of the lie is certainly on a different scale. The Bush administration falsified reports, cherry-picked intelligence, used unreliable sources, and employed fear-mongering tactics to convince the American public that our safety was at risk and as such, you were either with us or with the terrorists. The lies used by President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney are impeachable offenses and should be condemned by all Americans. Sadly, the Clinton campaign seems to have shown a shocking willingness to employ the same tactics to create a more favorable reality and to rely on divide-and-conquer rhetoric to weaken opposition. Her attempts to frighten the American people by conjuring up 3 AM phone calls are bad enough, but her vote of confidence in John McCain over Barack Obama should be seen as treason against the Democratic Party.

3. NAFTA
Hillary lied about her position on NAFTA and used her lies in a calculated way to influence the Ohio primary. Recently released White House documents confirm that Hillary had been an active proponent of NAFTA prior to its passage, and she has continued to support it publicly in her speeches and memoir. However, while campaigning in Ohio, she claimed to have been privately against NAFTA during the Clinton presidency and believes that it should be rewritten to protect American jobs and workers. This type of maneuvering is reminiscent of the behind-closed-doors policy-making that the Bush administration has used during the past seven years. Specifically, Bush and Cheney have made policy decisions without providing transparency to Congress or the public, and President Bush has repeatedly ignored the rule of law by issuing signing statements and disregarding the parts of the laws that he doesn’t agree with. If we cannot trust Hillary to be truthful about her positions on critical legislative issues now, how can we trust that she will be truthful as president?

These are just three examples that illustrate the concerns we should have with a candidate who demonstrates a sense of entitlement to the nomination and is willing to lie, misrepresent, threaten, and divide in order to obtain the nomination. President Bush and the neoconservative movement have greatly harmed this country by the creation of an imperial-like presidency. This election is not just about whether a Democrat or Republican wins but if the checks and balances are restored to the three branches of government. The framers of the Constitution were in such fear of an imperial president that mechanisms for impeachment are prominently and explicitly included in the Constitution. If Hillary Clinton is willing to use lies and deceit to win the Democratic nomination, what assurances do we have that she will not continue to use them once she is president?"

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/why-hillarys-lies-are-importan.php

<snips>

The New Decider
Hillary's Western Swing
By MICHAEL DONNELLY


Empty Rhetoric or Bald-Faced Lies?

In the recent past, we have seen Hillary's often-told tale of coming into Tuzla with her teenage daughter and entertainers while under sniper fire discredited. Though somehow, she can compound the lie with others about sleep-deprivation and misspeaking, when she was reading it off her notes for the umpteenth time; not to mention, she wrote it up in her book. Like Bush pretending to search for WMDs under a desk, she insulted us further when she went on Jay Leno's Tonight Show and joked she was late because she was "pinned down by sniper fire at the Burbank airport."

Then the lie Clinton won Ohio with was discredited. That whopper had a pregnant woman going to the hospital, only to be denied admittance because she had no insurance and didn't have a $100 deposit. The second time she told it the woman was rejected at two hospitals. The third time: the baby died. The fourth: mom herself died two weeks later.

Come to find out, yes, a pregnant Ohio woman did rush to the hospital, her baby was stillborn and yes, she died two weeks later. But, she was not the uninsured minimum wage worker of Clinton myth; she was a restaurant manager with insurance who was admitted immediately to the hospital.

"It's not that lying to pad the resume, avoid Indictment or to advance her political fortune is anything new for Hillary Clinton. She famously said she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary (debunked); she told New Yorkers she was a Yankee fan when she lived in Chicago (debunked); she told rural New Yorkers that she was a "duck hunter" (debunked); she claimed that her daughter Chelsea was jogging around the World Trade Center at the time of the 9/11 attack (debunked by Chelsea herself.) And, those subpoenaed Rose Law billing records just happened to show up one day on a hallway table in the most monitored home in America!"

Please read the entire article at:

http://www.counterpunch.org/donnelly04082008.html

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5431080
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:56 AM
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2. Now she's become the "me, too!" candidate. Not a leader, at ALL. n/t
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 10:06 AM
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5. Clinton 08: Change you can Xerox
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 01:23 PM
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13. oh that just not right!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 02:18 PM
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16. hilary never was a leader..she followed bushites on Iraq..
she followed them on the kyl-lieberman bill.. what has she actually led on? This isn't the first time..she's me tooed Obama. Yesterday or so there was a link on DU where she was talking about "dreams". The "me too" campaign only wishes they had the foresight to run a campaign that spoke to the American People.

But, how could they do that when it was based on lies and sand?
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GrandmaJones7 Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:58 AM
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3. Obama's guilty of plagiarism
-or did you Obamabots conveniently forget his plagiarism of old candidates' speeches?

Figures - you've all turned SO mean-spirited!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:58 AM
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 10:08 AM
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6. Only 57 posts in and you get plonked off to iggy land
How mean is that?

Oh, I'm a meanie.

See you never.
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 10:22 AM
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7. You can only say bad things about Hillary here newbie.
Being honest and truthful about Obama is banned. But you'll learn. Congratulations on getting on Obama supporter's ignore list so early.
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monicaaida Donating Member (172 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 11:22 AM
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8. help
i'm trying to get ben smith of political to publish the story about hillary stealing obama's word, but he says he needs a more reliable source of hillary's quote can you guys help
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monicaaida Donating Member (172 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 11:30 AM
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9. proof
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monicaaida Donating Member (172 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 01:10 PM
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10. my claim is published on politico.com
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 01:13 PM
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11. Agreed. They are meanie weenies.
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monicaaida Donating Member (172 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 01:15 PM
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12. hillary steals ppl words
hillary steals ppl words, the problem is not saying the general didn't answer when is the endgame, the problem is she didn't quote obama
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 02:04 PM
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14. And, Obama didn't quote Patrick for taking his words.
We can go round and round at this game.
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 02:11 PM
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15. You mean the quote he "plagarized" from his friend and campaign co-chair?
with the latter's full permission?

And isn't it funny how Hillary dismisses what Obama says as "just words", but then steals them whenever she finds it convenient?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 02:31 PM
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19. Get a fucking clue, grandma ..give your best
link and then we'll discuss it.

"grandma" my :kick:
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 02:19 PM
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17. Well, they were second-hand anyway.
:eyes:
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