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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:49 PM
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hmmmm....Edward's 'selling' out?


First NO ENDORSEMENT to either Hillary or Obama despite his....job interviews...with both. And now Elizabeth arrives at GMA to tout Clinton's healthcare plan.

He always sends Elizabeth out first to be the guard-dog and 'aggressor'. So...maybe there's a Hillary endorsement around the corner. (So much for Edwards fighting for Universal Healthcare and the 'little guy'.


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Today, Elizabeth Edwards told Good Morning America that Hillary's healthcare plan is better than Obama's. While I don't particularly like Barack's plan, I respectfully ask that Ms. Edwards come to Massachusetts and say that to those of us who currently live with mandates. This rhetoric - that universal healthcare is the same as guaranteed healthcare - is simply not accurate, and has got to stop.

The mandate system is very young and much research is needed to actually comprehend the mess we have on our hands. Unfortunately, because this system is so new, I don't have any convincing links or interesting op-eds to share with you. All I have is my personal anecdote and stories of those around me. But one thing is for sure; it is becoming clearer by the day that mandates are not the answer to our nation's healthcare crisis, and we should continue looking (perhaps North) for alternative solutions.

More on malicious mandates below...

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/9/185324/8595/348/492915

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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:51 PM
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1. John Edwards has earned the right to say whatever he wants
I'd prefer for him to endorse Obama, but you won't catch me saying an ill word about Senator Edwards.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:52 PM
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5. ditto
as an ex-Edwards guy I will NOT be throwing him under the bus if he decides to support the candidate that I do NOT support
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:56 PM
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10. Edwards clearly campaigned AGAINST everything Hillary stood for and then SILENCE.
Me should have CONTINUED the fight instead of waiting it out.

And ... yes. Elizabeth is his wind-tester.

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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:25 PM
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26. He isn't stupid or a kool aid drinker. He knows Clinton and Obama stand for the same things
The differences are very minor, with health care being the biggest significant difference, and electability is a major consideration in deciding between the two since you can't choose between the two on policy.
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:26 PM
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27. Clinton(s) are so immersed with the Bushies and corporations that they DON"T stand anywhere near the
same things.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:37 PM
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33. Edwards isn't naive or a drinking the Obama Aid. He knows Obama is as corporate
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:09 PM
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42. You have no facts to support your statement; however, Hillary has milked all the corps
as she can. That's why her campaign is not able to get more money.

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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:45 PM
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43. I do--as does Edwards. He mentioned some of them during the campaign
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 11:35 AM
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81. Let me see your facts.
And isn't ironic, that what you just said, pretty much admits HRC is a corporate shill.



I think you had a post one time in favor of the DLC.. Am I correct?!!
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:47 PM
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54. Obama can't possibly be as corporate.
There simply hasn't been enough time yet. I'm hoping to take him out of the Senate now, before that post can compromise him further, and that he will remember his progressive roots as a merely sorta-kinda corporate president.
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:37 PM
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34. Hillary's mandatory Romneycare II isn't the type of health care plan worth endorsing.
I prefer HR 676 myself, but will never get to that by using Hillary's (Mitt's) plan. Once everybody is FORCED to buy corporate health insurance, where is the incentive to move to a better system?
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:45 PM
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39. The mandate is not for private insurance, there will be plenty of public health plans to choose from
Edited on Wed Apr-09-08 07:45 PM by rinsd
By mandating sign up, you will swell the rolls of the public health plans as they beat the shit out of private insurance in the market as they have far less overhead costs.

Then we move to single payer.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:55 PM
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47. Nice to hear someone on here looking at these plans as a step in the road
instead of trashing it because it's not the perfect solution. I think that most of us on here would prefer single payer, but I'm not sure it's a political possibility right now.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 01:51 AM
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74. Mandatory Insurance is not Universal Healthcare
It does nothing to guarantee lower rates.

And it is most definitely not single payer.
Hillary has never even made this leap.
You are dreaming.

At least Obama has entertained the notion of Single Payer.

Hillary has always been too deeply involved with the Insurance Industry to ever threaten to cut them out.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 02:12 AM
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76. Okay, here's my question about this scenario
Public health plans will certainly beat private insurance for people with pre-existing conditions since the laws will likely require them to be covered at a reasonable rate. But won't the private insurance companies just make private insurance more affordable than the public option for all of the healthy people? Then all of the sick people are on the government plan, the healthy people have private insurance.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 11:22 AM
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78. Its impossible for them to compete because of overhead.
Something like $0.30 to $0.35 of every dollar is for overhead for private insurance(think of how much is spent on advertising and legal alone!). With public health options that overhead drops to $0.10 to $0.15.

Even if your scenario does come into being then we are certainly moving in the right direction.

I prefer single payer and I like that Obama is seeking to expand public health options on a grand scale.

I just disagree with him on the mandate and how it can be applied to help move us in a better direction. when it comes to health care in this country.

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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 07:24 PM
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87. Seems like a reasonable opinion to me
Edited on Thu Apr-10-08 07:24 PM by Hippo_Tron
Personally, my view of it is that mandates are a non-starter in congress. This country is just too libertarian to accept them. If indeed there is a very good public health plan available then I concede that they may make for better policy. But I stress that is only the case if there is a very good public health plan available and I'm concerned that the funding for that may be cut by later congresses and presidents while keeping the mandate.

BTW, very glad to find some common ground with someone who supports a different candidate than I do. That seems to be a rarity these days on DU.
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 12:10 PM
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83. John Edwards = opportunist?

His photo op in New Orleans in his ultra clean blue shirt made me
slightly suspicious of some of his claims. When you compare his
photos to that of Al Gore in New Orleans, the contrast is striking.
Gore is sweating, hair stuck to his face, helping hospital patients
onto the jet he chartered to take them to safety.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:34 PM
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32. yep yep.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:48 PM
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45. You will never say an ill word about Edwards? Allow me...
Edwards' Iraq vote fucking sucked.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:53 PM
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46. He recanted, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
Everyone makes mistakes, he owned up and I've moved on. If more candidates did that I think that more people would be engaged in the political process.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:57 PM
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48. Pretty big mistake to make
This is EXACTLY the reason why Kerry and Edwards weren't as effective against Bush-Cheney as the could have been. It's the same story with Hillary. You can't decry a war you voted for even if you regret it at the end. The Repukes will have the advantage in that case and thats why we lost the 2004 election.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 01:29 AM
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71. Well, ultimately I chose Obama
so if that doesn't show what I really think about this issue then I don't know what to say.
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:57 PM
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49. I agree...I will sitll respect Edwards if he endorses Hillary...
It will disapoint me.. but I'll still like Edwards.
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:27 PM
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51. Nor will I
Endorsements are meaningless to me regardless.
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Califooyah Operative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 11:46 PM
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68. I don't think the right is in question.
Edited on Wed Apr-09-08 11:47 PM by Califooyah Operative
We can disagree with who he endorses, that's our right. We can point out that he campaign hard against Clinton, against corporate special interests, against the status quo and that if he endorses Clinton, there's a great deal of hypocrisy and irony to it. That's our right.

I supported Edwards and contributed to his campaign. If he goes against everything he campaign for, then I have a right to be disappointed and outraged.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:51 PM
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2. The Edwards' were always more likely to side with Clinton on Health Care
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:52 PM
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3. Oh god, here we go again. No, Edwards will not be endorsing anyone.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:52 PM
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4. Edwards will not make a real endorsement this season until we have a nominee.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:53 PM
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6. You know,
with no disrespect to Edwards, Hillary OR Obama, none of their health care plans gets me excited. All -- to a large degree -- are just more of the same. And while I understand it will take time to adapt a program like Canada's, for example, none of the three (or any of the other candidates' other than Dennis or Gravel) seems to be providing a good transition.

I'm open to correction and enlightenment.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:54 PM
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7. "He always sends Elizabeth out first to be the guard-dog and 'aggressor'?"
wtf?

scrape scrape

must be hard on the fingernails

and what is up with the "guard-dog" reference?

jeezus
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:54 PM
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8. Clinton's Healthcare Plan is much closer to Edward's than Obama's is.
The blogger is giving some anecdotal story from Massachusetts. It is really too early to know how their system is going to work out.

I don't see how this is selling out.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:55 PM
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9. You make Edwards
appear as a coward, sending the wife out first as a shield...doing the dirty work. I am sure Mrs. Edwards has a mind of her own, and freely expresses it. As for an endorsement...who knows?

I personally like HRC Healthcare plan as well, but I realize too, that what a candidate promises, and what passes through congress are completely different. I am just happy both candidates support some form of healthcare for all Americans.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:57 PM
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11. Edwards dropped out in February
Since he dropped out the people that support him have for the most part joined one of the two teams. I highly doubt anyone who has now become a member of the Obama supporting side is going to go well John endorsed her I better switch. He's not a super delegate so I really don't see what value he adds by picking one over the other right now.

I don't see what he has to gain personally either. If he picks Obama and Hillary wins he loses If he picks Hillary and Obama wins he loses. Best bet for him is to lay low till this is over and than come out and stump for the nominee.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:59 PM
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12. You know, it might be they've decided to split their support to........
........ease the sting of John endorsing Obama.

Many power couples have done that this year.

Just a thought.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:00 PM
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13. STFU Kos and the writer
Elizabeth has a mind of her own
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:00 PM
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14. The mandate here sucks ass
And I'm not sure it will ever be undone. It's possible it will eventually shake out to be workable for the majority of Massholes, but the growing pains are rough for too many. It's not universal healthcare, but forced, universal private insurance. They offer the option of the state plan, but the threshold for that is too low, relative to our high cost of living. I'm officially, middle-class, but I'm paycheck to paycheck; our rent just rose for this year $170/month (technically, only 60, but it was supposed to drop 110 from our last lease and we were really counting on that); I got a $0.75/hr raise in early 2006 and it's stayed at that.

I'm lucky though - my company laid off 2/3 of its employees in December, and I'm one of just 10 left in the Boston office, and I'm still insured through my employer. It's really fucking tough right now, and I'm one of the lucky ones - most of the laid-off are still unemployed.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:17 PM
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19. That's why the huge expansion in public health programs in both Obama & Hillary plans is important
Let me ask you something.

If you were offered similar public plans, would you not sign up because of the existence of a mandate vs if one was not in effect?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:26 PM
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29. I'm actually surprised that Elizabeth Edwards would
back something that was mandated like this plan of hilary's.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:29 PM
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30. Umm because John's plan also included a mandate and their two plans were very similar.
:shrug:


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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:41 PM
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36. let's be clear
all three plans are strikingly similar- with good reason: They're all based on the work of Jacob Hacker.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:37 PM
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52. sniffa- good luck with everything
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 10:35 PM
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61. Thanks
I'm kinda sure I'll be fine (shit, I outlasted 2/3 of my company) but I'm still stressed out that I could lose my job any day as our business (at least used to be) is mainly real estate transfers, and Title Insurance, and then construction. I stopped buying a monthly transit pass in January as I don't want to buy a monthly pass, only to be laid off the next week. So I've been buying weekly passes instead. :/

I think next month I may finally feel good enough to go back to the monthly pass, and save me $1 a month.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:06 PM
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15. Two things:
Leo Hindery, Jr., John Edwards' Senior Economic Policy Advisor: Why I'm Endorsing Barack Obama

National Union Hospital Healthcare Employees District 1199c Endorses Senator Obama

Edwards' endorsement may or may not come, but so be it. Obama has excellent backing.




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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:42 PM
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37. This is great, ProSense..
thank you!

"PHILADELPHIA, April 2, 2008 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Henry Nicholas, president of the 150,000-member National Union of Hospital and Health Care Employees AFSCME, AFL-CIO, announced today that his 16000-plus members of the Philadelphia local affiliate 1199C, its retirees and members of the United Child Care Union across Pennsylvania will support Senator Barack Obama in the April 22 Democratic primary.

We need change, Nicholas told delegates and guests at the Pennsylvania AFL-CIO Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia, as he introduced Obama as the candidate that will raise the labor movement to new heights and the candidate who has been on the picket lines, not talking about it, but walking on the picket lines with workers fighting for the right to have a union.

Noting that 8000 workers lost jobs in Pennsylvania in February and that is the wrong way, Nicholas told the packed auditorium. Those of us in the labor movement have a duty to be the social conscience for those who cant help themselves. Who will look out for those who are not middle class? he asked.

In announcing the endorsement, Nicholas said, If we in the labor movement rise to the occasion and latch on to this new movement thats putting everybody together, we will have given birth to a new labor movement in America and we need that. I stand here this morning to cast my lot - to put my organization the hospital workers solidly behind Barack Obama.
By doing this, theres a message because the entire organized healthcare infrastructure in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania -- homecare, healthcare and childcare -- is now united behind Barack Obama."





<snips>

"I was privileged to be presidential candidate John Edwards' Senior Economic Policy Advisor, but today I am just as honored to endorse Senator Barack Obama. And I do so for precisely the same reasons I long and enthusiastically supported and helped John Edwards.


Like John Edwards, Barack Obama seeks effective public policy aimed at sustained growth, full employment, an end to poverty, and progress toward solving the major social and environmental problems associated with health care, education, trade, taxation and climate change.


Barack Obama believes in vigorously enforcing our existing domestic labor laws and standards. He believes in all workers having an easy and unrestricted ability to join a union, including part-time and contract workers. And he believes in affording low-wage workers the "mobility" they need in order to earn something more than low wages.

Barack Obama believes in fairer and more progressive individual income taxation, taxation which will see every American once again paying his or her fair share. How can anyone but the wealthiest of Americans be satisfied with an economy which has seen forty percent of all economic growth over the past 20 years go to only the top one percent of American families? Where half of the nation's individual income now goes to just 2% of the taxpayers?

Barack Obama believes in incentivizing American companies to create and retain high-quality jobs here in America, instead of unnecessarily and often unfairly shipping millions of them overseas."

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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:10 PM
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16. North is not a bad direction to look.
Neither are east and west.

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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:14 PM
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17. Single payer is the way to go but Hillary's plan has better chance of getting us there.
Why?

By massively expanding the rolls of the public health plans we have and the one created in her & Edwards plan. One will not be required to get private insurance and will have many public plan options before them. Will everyone comply? No. Just as with mandatory auto insurance (or even in MA) you will have people who do not comply. But does it make sense that someone who would thumb their nose at Hillary's offering of a public health plan because it would be mandated would jump onto Obama's public health plan because it is not? Granted there are always exception to the rule but since it defies logic that non-compliers in Hillary's program would exceed non sign up in Obama's.

Obama for his part also expands public health options (his plan is very similar to Hillary & Edwards sans the mandate) but by not requiring enrollment he assumes people will run to sign up. That view is a bit naive.

Consider the fact that we have laws mandating seatbelt & helmet use when such things would seem obvious.

His failure to mandate also undercuts one of his key cost saving/health initatives which is preventative care. Regular checkups, early detection of disease...just reducing emergency rooms visits (they are not allowed to turn away the uninsured)

Again I think single payer is the way but I think Hillary's plan will get us there sooner.
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Califooyah Operative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 11:49 PM
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69. mandating people to by health insurance
including from your top campaign contributors isn't a step towards single payer. A mandate is only a good thing if we're talking about single-payer and we're not so it only makes things worse.
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wpelb Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:14 PM
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18. The problem with sending Mrs. Edwards out first
First NO ENDORSEMENT to either Hillary or Obama despite his....job interviews...with both. And now Elizabeth arrives at GMA to tout Clinton's healthcare plan.

He always sends Elizabeth out first to be the guard-dog and 'aggressor'.


The problem with doing this (if perception matches reality and Sen. Edwards really is doing this) is that it tends to reinforce Ann Coulter's derogatory comments and insinuations regarding his sexual orientation. Once again, just like Sen. Clinton's story about the woman who (allegedly) died for lack of health insurance, a side issue threatens to derail the debate over health-care reform in the United States.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:21 PM
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20. I have never been impressed with John Edwards, But this comment
that you have made was not unecessary and unrequired.
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:41 PM
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35. LMAO...Edwards sexual orientation ain't part of the statement at all.
And your interpretation isn't really what was meant at all.

It simply means he's COVERING HIS BASES and not endorsing because he's use to being allowed to be 'the good guy'.

JRE isn't gay. His actions and his words don't seem very sincere was MY POINT.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:22 PM
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21. Anyone with an opinion different from your's is selling out?
That's extremely narrow of you.

I support Obama but I'm not going to insult good Democrats because they think Clinton is a better choice.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:23 PM
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22. I hate mandates and will not
participate.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:26 PM
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28. Do you not wear your seatbelt?
Edited on Wed Apr-09-08 07:29 PM by rinsd
Do you not pay your taxes?

If similar public health plans were an option, would you refuse to sign up if they were mandated as opposed to not mandated?


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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:23 PM
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23. The diarist makes no sense. If Edwards is going to go by HC alone Hillary is the logical choice
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:29 PM
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31. I wasn't insulting Elizabeth. I was commenting on JRE's refusal to speak for himself
and to send EE out to protect him and to check the direction of the wind for him.

Male deer do that too, you know?! They send their women out first, and if it's safe, they will follow. Usually good hunters know to wait until after the female and children go by to get the male. JRE following the tried and true method of animal life.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:24 PM
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25. lol He would have to eat his own words about Clinton if he endorsed her.
Edited on Wed Apr-09-08 07:24 PM by anonymous171
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:44 PM
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38. Elizabeth Edwards and free speech
As an Obama supporter I think its absurd to attack Elizabeth Edwards - she has as much right as anyone in this country to say what's on her mind. She cares passionately about healthcare and I don't blame her - so do I. On Countdown she said she supported the Clinton healthcare plan but remained neutral on the candidates - that makes sense since the Clinton plan essentially IS the Edwards plan and if it wasn't - SO WHAT?

I refuse to attack ANYONE for using their rights as a citizen of this country to speak their mind - period - end of story. As far as I'm concerned anyone who thinks an Edwards family member - or any other family member doesn't have the right to speak their mind anywhere and any time can go jump in the proverbial lake.

This is America god damn it!
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:08 PM
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41. I wasn't attackiing HER. I was commenting on JRE's SILENCE while EE is doing the
brave thing.
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:47 PM
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44. Understood
Edited on Wed Apr-09-08 08:47 PM by BlueIdaho
I guess it was referring to her as a "guard-dog and 'aggressor'" that got to me.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:52 PM
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40. John Edwards is not obligated to endorse either Democratic candidate.
I do, however, expect that he will campaign for the Democratic nominee.
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FightingIrish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:00 PM
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50. We're electing a president, not a program.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:40 PM
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53. HRC's mandates look really good now that she's $292K behind in paying her staff's insurance premiums
:thumbsup:
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:55 PM
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55. JOHN EDWARDS will NOT endorse either -- He is hardup on his Healthcare plan and 'little guy' is 2nd
he just won't ever come out to endorse her because of the mess that is Hillary Clinton....i am sure Edwards would veyr much prefer to endorse Obama but he really, really wants his health care plan over anything else, yes even over fighting for the 'little guy'
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Liberal Gramma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 10:02 PM
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56. Olbermann interviewed her and she said that issues were what she cares about
not candidates. She said either of the Dems' plans are miles ahead of McShame's, but she felt she didn't have much political capital to spend and she wanted to spend it on issues she cares about.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 10:05 PM
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57. The guy is a total phoney...
all that talk about helping the smaller guy was just that, TALK
what happened to "I'm fighting for you, I'm here for those people
who can't afford health care"
remember that John?

So go right ahead and satisfy your corporate masters.

I suppose the voters saw right through you.
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 06:50 AM
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77. My point was iIF he really cared about the little guy, then WHY did he shut-up when he was no longer
a candidate?

You and I seem to agree on that. He talked--but while he was thinking HE might be president he walked the walk and I personally feel USED by him and HOW MUCH BETTER would this campaign be for both ALL OF US if we could have them TALKING about HEALTHCARE instead of watching a bloody scortched-earth campaign.

He shut up and went silent as soon as he wasn't going to win the prize. Now he's just biding his time and trying to not offend either candidate too much. We'll know more, when and if he gets a job with either of them.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 04:26 PM
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84. He reminds me of a tree
Edited on Thu Apr-10-08 04:27 PM by spokane
which ever the wind blows thats where it leans, see, Edwards
is the type of guy that did not have a backbone, no nuts, he knows
that most of Hillary's issues are ones he doesn't agree with but
yet is prepared to fore go what he believes in for the very
corporate he said he is against.

Now, he sends out Elizabeth to test the waters and see what type of
response they get from the people, how vindictive can the Edwards
get?
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 10:08 PM
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58. And She also stated how she likes Obama's plan of going after Corporations/Tax Loop Holes better.
She didn't ENDORSE anyone, and made that very clear on KO tonight. Her comment was in direct response to a question about who's HC plan she liked the best. She said her greater point to make was the huge gap between McLame's plan and Clintons (or either democrat in that case).
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raqi Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 10:16 PM
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59. So, maybe everyone might stop trashing great progressives/Dems
Edited on Wed Apr-09-08 10:16 PM by raqi
with idle speculation for a change.

This quicksand-based inter-party candidate and party leader bashing needs to stop.

Bush and Cheney will probably 'ride off into the sunset' on golden parachutes woven with war and other crimes, yet for some reason, we focus our energies on speculating/manipulating/rumor mongering about our own?

No wonder the GOP still thinks they have a chance!
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 10:27 PM
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60. National mandates would be the same disaster that they are now in MA
http://www.pnhp.org/news/2007/september/health_reform_failur.php

Why has progress been so meager? Because most of the promised new coverage is of the “buy it yourself” variety, with scant help offered to the struggling middle class. According to the Census Bureau, only 28 percent of Massachusetts uninsured have incomes low enough to qualify for free coverage. Thirty-four percent more can get partial subsidies - but the premiums and co-payments remain a barrier for many in this near-poor group.

And 244,000 of Massachusetts uninsured get zero assistance –just a stiff fine if they don’t buy coverage. A couple in their late 50s faces a minimum premium of $8,638 annually, for a policy with no drug coverage at all and a $2,000 deductible per person before insurance even kicks in. Such skimpy yet costly coverage is, in many cases, worse than no coverage at all. Illness will still bring crippling medical bills—but the $8,638 annual premium will empty their bank accounts even before the bills start arriving. Little wonder that barely 2 percent of those required to buy such coverage have thus far signed up.

While the middle class sinks, the health reform law has buoyed our state’s wealthiest health institutions. Hospitals like Massachusetts General are reporting record profits and enjoying rate increases tucked into the reform package. Blue Cross and other insurers that lobbied hard for the law stand to gain billions from the reform, which shrinks their contribution to the state’s free care pool and will force hundreds of thousands to purchase their defective products. Meanwhile, new rules for the free care pool will drastically cut funding for the hundreds of thousands who remain uninsured, and for the safety-net hospitals and clinics that care for them. (Disclosure --we’ve practiced for the past 25 years at a public hospital that is currently undergoing massive budget cuts.)

Health reform built on private insurance isn’t working and can’t work; it costs too much and delivers too little. At present, bureaucracy consumes 31 percent of each healthcare dollar. The Connector—the new state agency created to broker coverage under the reform law—is adding another 4.5 percent to the already sky-high overhead charged by private insurers. Administrative costs at Blue Cross are nearly five times higher than Medicare’s and 11 times those in Canada’s single payer system. Single payer reform could save $7.7 billion annually on paperwork and insurance profits in Massachusetts, enough to cover all of the uninsured and to upgrade coverage for the rest of us.


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Monty__ Donating Member (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 10:38 PM
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62. Sell out?
Edwards (as many have pointed out) has the right to say and endorse whoever he damn well pleases. And Edwards' healthcare plan was closer to Hillarys.
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chill factor Donating Member (83 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 10:47 PM
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63. Mandated health insurance is a bad idea......
If you look at it from the perspective that you can afford the mandated premiums, it may seem okay. But if you cannot afford the premiums and you get behind, you have to pay a fine. People who are already struggling just to keep a roof over their heads and food on the table will not be able to pay the fines and will get deeper in the hole then they already are. That is why I like Senator Obama's plan better.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 10:49 PM
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64. Hmmmm... So what.
Obama's supporters have already cooked Obama's goose.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 10:59 PM
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65. by the time either plan gets to thier desk it will be worthless
i have an insurance company that delays paying the health care providers so the bill is turned over to a collection agency then they pay the hospital. my friends who have the same insurance had their bills turned over. it was the first time they have had a bill turned over to collection in over 30 years.i know this won`t be addressed and neither will the 80% -20% co-pay. i owe over 8000 in co-pay which could be used to fix my 1970`s ineffiecnt heating and cooling system and sliding plate windows...
single payer universal healthcare is the only plan that will help america have a first class health care system
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 11:06 PM
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66. I bristled when the Clintons called Bill Richardson "Judas."
Although a Clinton endorsement would be the antithesis of the Edwards' message, he's entitled to endorse whomever he chooses without being thrown under the bus.
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 11:21 PM
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67. SellING? You mean SOLD out a long time ago.
When has Edwards not been a sellout?

When he voted for the Iraq war?

When he voted for the bankrupcy bill?

When he voted to limit liability on nuclear power plans?

When he worked for a company knee deep in predatory lending?

When he claimed not to accept money from lobbyists, but actually did? (see open secrets)

Edwards is the picture perfect definition of a sell out politician. He says one thing and does another.

He is going to endorse whoever offers him the better gig and it will be par for the course of his career.

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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 12:00 AM
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70. Why should he endorse anyone?
I hope he doesn't personally.
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Asgaya Dihi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 01:33 AM
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72. Need more than that for the accusation
It was wrong, totally and completely, to hit Richardson with the Judas comment and other accusations. It's just as wrong to do it if Edwards speaks his mind. If that's the direction he decides to go I wouldn't agree with it but he's got the right to go in the direction he wants without the worst simply being assumed of him. I need a lot more than I see to credit selling out rather than simple difference of opinion.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 01:46 AM
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73. Hillary does have a better healthcare plan than Obama
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 01:56 AM
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75. Health care is Elizabeth's thing. Neither of them will endorse. John will focus on anti-poverty ..
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 11:23 AM
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79. Support a Clinton policy= sell out. Wow just fucking WOW. n/t
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 11:31 AM
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80. Hillary's Health Care Plan is superior....
along with her Economic Plan and her plan to end the war. Hillary beats Obama hands down on all the issues.

Elizabeth's endorsement of Hillary's plan should hold weight with all Americans.

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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 11:35 AM
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82. Genuine universal care is not for profit. No money making just health making.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 04:37 PM
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85. I don't care who he endorses. I don't think it will matter that much either way.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 04:39 PM
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86. Mandates do not work according to Physicians for a National Health Plan.
www.pnhp.org
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 07:29 PM
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88. This is part of the reason he isn't very popular here in the state
He's a phony. His fans won't like it. But its true.
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