At Hillary fundraiser, Elton John criticizes misogyny of Americans - "I say to hell with them."

[jefferson_dem]

Elton John: 'To hell with them'

There's a real crowd at Radio City, complete with scalpers, and lines around the block for Elton John and the Clintons.

Toward the back of one line: Frank Luntz, Lanny Davis, and Doug Schoen. ("I used to be in business with Mark Penn," Schoen joked.)

Inside, Bill Clinton introduced his wife, thanked the packed house for contributions to keep the race going, and asked for more, to shouts of "We miss you, Bill."

"If you know anybody who didn’t come here tonight who could send some money over the Internet …," he said.

"What I want you to know is, I’m still standing," Hillary told the crowd. I believe that this country is worth fighting for, so we’re talking our campaign to Pennsylvania and to all the states that haven’t voted."

Elton John was a bit edgier:

"I never cease to be amazed at the misogynist attitude of some of the people in this country," he said. "I say to hell with them."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0408/Elton_John_To_hell_with_them.html

[AX10]

1. It's a sad reality.

[virtualobserver]

20. quite a rallying cry

[Hieronymus]

83. Obviously, Hillary and her supporters have been using that cry all along.

[Cha]

2. Wow! What an Royal Asshole..who the hell

knew elton john was such a hilary tool throwin' "misogynist" around? :(

[Marrah_G]

4. Oh yeah...Elton John is a "Royal Asshole"....only on DU.....and in freeperville...

:eyes:

[jefferson_dem]

7. If I'm correct, you are a Hillary suppoter.

So you must not be a misogynist. Whew. Good for you. :applause:

[Marrah_G]

12. She's my 4th choice, but Yes I am a Hillary supporter and a Dem supporter

You seem to mistakenly believe that I think all Obama supporters are mysogynists, which is not the case at all.

[jefferson_dem]

14. Fair enough, Marrah_G.

:hi:

[Cha]

16. And I'm misogynistic...only from

a royal arse hilary supporter.

[Marrah_G]

19. I don't remember calling you anything of the sort.

Seems you are the one throwing out the insults.

[Cha]

29. Hello! I'm talking about Sir elton john of

which I was replying to the OP in the first place.

[Marrah_G]

33. Ahh sorry I misunderstood

I didn't realize his comments were aimed at you.

[Cha]

36. elton john is an idiot calling any Americans

"misogynistic" and I don't really care if you get it or not.

[Marrah_G]

40. oooooooookkk.......

:eyes:

[Hawkeye-X]

46. Elton John is not even a US citizen..

:woohoo:

If he was, he wouldn't be called Sir Elton John.

[Major Hogwash]

155. Hahahaha! Yeah, but he could be some day.

But not even Elton John would be dumb enough to move here with Bush still in the White House.

[olkaz]

191. This was my problem with it.

Come on out, sing some songs, say you like Hillary a lot, and GTFO.

Don't play the faux-outrage card for an applause line. Other people will find out and get angry.

With that said, his music is fantastic and will not leave my ipod even if he becomes an evil third-world dictator.

[rodeodance]

66. I do not care either ziddy--this is concert--have fun--Rock it baby

[MonkeyFunk]

79. well there's an idiot around here

but it's not Elton.

[TK421]

97. You see....this is the misunderstanding that occurs when you don't place a statement

like that in, let's say....quotations? Perhaps a quick copy and paste job would do the trick, but at first glance, it did seem like your comment was directed at Marrah :eyes:

[Hugabear]

92. Oh, the irony of your comment is just too rich!

Elton John is only a "royal asshole" on DU and FR...

So what about all the nasty things that have been said about Keith Olbermann?

Jimmy Carter?

Ted Kennedy?

Michael Moore?

[grantcart]

211. all well known misogynists

[jefferson_dem]

6. I see that Obama avatar, zidzi!

You can't hide. Why do you hate women?!

[Cha]

27. My mind being blown away by elton john,

right now, callin' us "misogynistic" 'cause we don't support the royal BOSNIAN SNIPER LIAR..I'm too busy to hate women! :crazy:

I knew if he supported hilary at this point that he was ignorant but :silly:?

[Marrah_G]

35. I think perhaps you should wait to hear the whole thing

Somehow I doubt he said all Obama supporters are mysogynists.

He isn't ignorant. He is simply supporting a different Democrat then you are. That puts him squarely on our side as the activist he has always been.

[AnnieBW]

42. So everyone who's not voting for Hillary

is a misogynist? Dang! I'll have to turn in my diploma from my women's college, then! Oh, and take my uterus, while you're at it.

Geeze...if you had to bring in a gay guy from England, couldn't you have brought in John Barrowman?

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[Bluenorthwest]

120. Holy homophobe bat man!

I guess one would only bring 'a gay guy' from England if one had to, right? But that is what you actually said, whereas Elton did not say 'everyone who's not voting for Hillary' he said the misogynistic attitude of some people in this country. And he's right, and you and your uterus are homophobic, and willing to let it show as you spin against a good person for the sake of a Candidate. Posturing tripe from a snipinig posure.
If you had to bring in a gay guy. If you had to. A gay guy.

[DangerousRhythm]

129. Maybe...

...we can get Barrowman at an Obama event? Hopefully in Houston? ;)

[Cha]

130. My son had an interesting

point when I just talked to him about it over the phone..he said, "so elton is calling some American misogynists because hilary is losing?" "Would we be misogynists if hilary were winning?"

[rodeodance]

151. You should have corrected you son. Elton can recognize if some

americans are misogynists. He has been around enough to know.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

166. "gay guy from England"

A bit reductionist, are we?

[xmas74]

187. Homophobe!

Who the hell are you and what rock did you crawl out of?

Geeze...if you had to bring in a gay guy from England, couldn't you have brought in John Barrowman?

So you want the hot guy with the on-again, off-again American accent who appears on a show where he has sex with anything that moves to be the representative for all gay men from the UK?

[rodeodance]

200. what a silly thing to say--you know better than that.

"So everyone who's not voting for Hillary

is a misogynist"

[durrrty libby]

203. Yes you should definitely turn in all those things along with your homophobia

And here's your reward Silly Keith Ogremann Worshiper. I love acronyms, don't you?

[AnnieBW]

210. My apologies

I guess I shouldn't try to be funny late at night. I have nothing against gays, Hillary, or Elton John. In fact, I was listening to EJ on the way home from class tonight. Again, I'm sorry if my words were misconstrued.

I am not homophobic. Even though I am straight, I fully support gay rights, marriage equality, repealing DADT, etc. Several good friends of mine are gay - they even let me in on the "toaster" joke.

Oh, and John Barrowman may play an "omnisexual" character that will sleep with anybody, but in RL, he's married to his long-time partner and is heading up a campaign to stop the bullying of gay teens in England.

[Upton]

3. The Bitch is Back

[LulaMay]

84. So too is the woman hater. Keep pulling your pants down.

[Hugabear]

96. "The Bitch is Back" is an Elton John song

I'm guessing he didn't include that in his setlist.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

168. Is "Elton" A Bitch

I'll bet he could kick your silly ass...

Yeah, I said it...

[MinneapolisMatt]

5. Oh the irony...

...considering Elton John defended EMINEM when he worked with him...

[DarienComp]

13. Good catch. I'd forgotten all about that.

[Catherina]

71. Yes he did. I'd forgotten about that. Thanks for the reminder

Elton John's a legend. I don't begrudge him supporting Hillary and wanting to help her out.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

169. They Did One Song At The Grammys

Oh, and interstingly enough since that time Em has excised the homophobia from his lyrics...

[FrenchieCat]

8. Did he mention Racism, or is that a totally seperate issue ?

[GarbagemanLB]

10. No, according to Ferarro, we've solved that.

[Kittycat]

18. That doesn't count. Along with all the misogynistic states and voters that...

did vote the way that HRC wanted/expected.

[LulaMay]

90. Obama doesn' talk about sexism. He released a PR calling her speech on women's rights 'ceremonial'.

[LulaMay]

94. Who IS talking about sexism out there? Why didn't Obama say we needed a discussion on BOTH?

If he's so much for change?


He is in a better position to talk about it without being crucified.

[bluestateguy]

9. Does he plan to stop singing "The Bitch is Back"?

given the way the Hillary campaign has been going, he may be singing "I Guess That's Why They Call it the Blues" soon.

[BlueIdaho]

11. Elton John is a fantastic musician

With as much understanding of American politics and our democracy as my cat. No I take that back - my cat is much better informed.

[Condem]

15. Oh Christ, Blue

Was. Over thirty years ago.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

170. Which Might Make It Better Informed Than His Owner

HeeHawHee

[BlueIdaho]

205. Yeah but...

The cat has trouble with the keyboard - so you're stuck with me...

[Marrah_G]

17. Wow look at these posts- Under the bus with you Elton John!

Bizzaro land !

[DarienComp]

24. What is this obsession with busses that Hillary supporters have?

:hide:

[rodeodance]

165. no ours--its the many Obama fans who keep tossing people under if they do not bow to the Savior

[DemocratSinceBirth]

171. One S , Pardner

buses

The Busses would be the owners of the Los Angeles Lakers...

Google it...

[DarienComp]

208. Actually, I'm pretty sure that both are acceptable.

[rodeodance]

25. many had him under the bus when they first learned about it--they are just pushing it over once aga

[AllentownJake]

21. Poor Elton

Love your music buddy. I won't throw you under the bus. I hope your willing to do a concert for the nominee when this is decided.

[AllentownJake]

22. Dupe

Love your music buddy. I won't throw you under the bus. I hope your willing to do a concert for the nominee when this is decided.

[rodeodance]

23. You rock john--to hell with the misogists!!

[Condem]

28. Jesus, rodeo

Give me his last good song. Kings and Vagabonds?

[xmas74]

193. So he's not your cup of tea.

I adore him and always have, as do most of my friends. He reminds me of the good times I've had in my life and the great friends I have around me.

Quit pissing in everyone's Post Toasties, you asshole and leave others the fuck alone. You're only doing it because someone quite well-known doesn't agree with you.

[Condem]

212. C'mon Xmas

Sing Island Girl to me. He hasn't mattered for thirty years. Irrelevance is a fukin hoorible thing. Now cue up the Pet Shop Boys!

[jefferson_dem]

31. Elton does a lot of things, i'm sure. But he definitely does not "rock".

Please.

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/08/02/elton1_narrowweb__300x357,0.jpg

[rodeodance]

39. shake it jeffy--rock on!!

[jefferson_dem]

44. LOL!

I did "shake it" to Elton ... when I was nine.

Honestly, this was my first piece of vinyl ever owned --

[Condem]

48. Damn

I'm sorry, Jefferson.

[rodeodance]

65. good for you..haha

[Condem]

67. and rodeo

Your first?

[rodeodance]

70. MY first what?

and rodeo
Posted by Condem


Your first?

[Condem]

72. album?

[rodeodance]

73. i do not recall sorry

[Condem]

80. I remember mine.

Woodstock. The sounndtrack. Changed my life.

[rodeodance]

87. i got that one long after the event. keep hearing about it. It is wonderful

[Condem]

89. Have a good night, rodeo.

[rodeodance]

100. you too--its getting to be about that time

[JVS]

51. He used to be cool when he was the pinball wizard

[DemocratSinceBirth]

172. I Disagree

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RA6LXm5cFQ

[Maddy McCall]

167. Elton John DOES rock.

I love, love, love Elton John.

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[saracat]

47. Wow. You are a class act aren't cha?

[dailykoff]

56. I don't go in for Anglophilia if that's what you mean.

Brits have been shitting on the world for centuries.

[saracat]

121. So trashing a whole people is okay with you but you claim to be aginst racism? LOL!

[dailykoff]

144. Let's just say his politics do not surprise me. (n/t)

[ShortnFiery]

181. Yes, used to be that "The Sun Never Sits on The British Empire."

Someone needs to remind Elton John that even that old tired war horse, Margaret Thatcher, NEVER (not ever!) played the "Gender Victim" card even in her hardball political days. For all of her horrific (warmongering - right winger) faults, at least Thatcher had the class to just merely *outperform the boys* on their own turf and at their own game. Further, her husband Denis, was a very humble and likeable man as "First Husband" and did not get involved in HER Business.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29977-2003Jul8.html

While flogging her book in London last week, Hillary Clinton unexpectedly revealed her admiration for a great British political figure. Curiously, her kind words were not for Tony Blair, who is often compared to her husband, but rather for one of his illustrious conservative predecessors. Clinton has, it seems, been a fan of Margaret Thatcher's for many years. Following the Iron Lady's career from afar, Clinton particularly admired Thatcher's ability to adapt herself to fit the job. "My goodness, she changed her hair, she changed a lot of things," Clinton told a British interviewer, who gleefully described the junior senator from New York as a woman with an "iron simper."

snip

And although they made jokes about him, nobody thought he was unimportant or uninteresting, either. Obviously, his own career had been successful, and he was glad that his wife's was too. In fact, it takes a great deal of self-confidence to stand aside, when a spouse is shining in public -- and great determination to stay there. Cherie Booth, Tony Blair's wife, began by staying well out of the limelight -- refusing to give interviews, sticking to her legal career -- but finally couldn't resist chairing a few policy meetings in Downing Street, thereby bringing the wrath of the great British public down upon her head.

And Hillary Clinton? I hardly need to spell it out. Clearly, she made a big mistake many years ago, when she identified with the wrong Thatcher.

[truebrit71]

201. The fact that Billary openly states her admiration for that bitch is why I will NEVER support her...

...it displays such a STAGGERING lack of understanding of what that bitch represented to the working class and middle class in the UK that it beggars belief.

Fuck 'em both.

:grr:

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[Colobo]

30. Elton, go fkuc a dingo!

[Barack_America]

32. Reject and denounce!

RE-JECT and DE-NOUNCE!

If Hillary is there, I call on her to walk out immediately!

[jefferson_dem]

37. A blooming headache for Hillary. Reuters has picked up the story now.

Ruh ruh...

http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed1/idUSN0926923920080410

[JeanGrey]

190. Why does Hillary keep shooting herself in the foot?? WHY!

What a stupid statement for John to make - I swear to god everytime I hear Hillary's name that song "every step you make" runs through my head and it is like every step she takes she deliberately steps in it. WHO IS ADVISING HER???

[Marrah_G]

38. Reject and denouce what exactly?

[rodeodance]

43. who knows---they didn't like to hell with the misogamy statement. figures

[JVS]

58. Elton accused people of being against marriage too?

[rodeodance]

61. what is your point?

[JVS]

62. I was asking if your claim was correct

[JVS]

68. Here's a clue. I even formatted the link just the way you like to do

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/misoga...

you can fill in the last two letters to get actual info though, unlike the dead links you copy and past from other posts all the time.

[rodeodance]

78. crap it--if I inadvertantaly posted a link not working sorry--but I will not take your insults.....

enough said

[JVS]

86. You've repeatedly posted broken links and not fixed them when asked about it.

Here's the full one because I'm nice like that.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/misogamy

I'm sure it was unintentional, but it's been terribly annoying all the same.

[Barack_America]

45. The anti-American Elton John.

Who is he to tell Americans to go to hell?

ETA: My original post there had a good bit of sarcasm in it. And faux outrage to counter the faux outrage over Reverend Wright.

[JVS]

55. potty mouthed pop stars

[AmericanUnity]

34. I quit caring about Elton John after Yellow Brick Road. His voice and songs got too whimpy for me

[Marrah_G]

41. There is more to him then his music

[BeyondGeography]

49. That more than cancels out the $2.5 million he raised for her

:thumbsup:

[sniffa]

50. His version of "Cheddar Cheese Girl" was to die for

Oh oh, you're my cheddar cheese girl
You're soft but firm, and you go well with wine
Oh oh, cheddar cheese girl
Cheddar, cheddar cheese girl

[Condem]

53. Hilarious, Sniffa!

[sniffa]

123. You taste so good on broccoli, you're my cheddar cheese girl

[Zachstar]

52. EltonJohnGate :P

Seriously screw you Elton John!!

We are working hard to change this country and your comments DO NOT HELP!!

[Raffi Ella]

57. Thanks for posting.

K&R

[jefferson_dem]

75. No problem, neighbor.

:hi:

Some kind of pollen out there in the ATL, eh?

[dsc]

59. Gee what would a gay man in America know about discrimination?

I can't imagine.

[Bluenorthwest]

128. Elton would know

That in his own country the UK, he and his partner are legally and equally married, but that in the USA, his partner's home country, that Union is not recognized due to discrimination, rooted in homophobia, which is founded on misogny.
He would also know that these unjust laws apply to his household, in spite of the fact that he has paid more taxes to this country than many large corporations. He has raised more money for chairities here than anyone posting here, make that everyone posting here, on every thread, for a month.


How dare he say some Americans bear prejudices, I mean what kind of a man would get up and say that? In front of 7 flags and including his grandma by name, the very candidate supported by those who are 'offened' at this comment, said most Americans bear prejudices, did he not? And of course both Obama and Elton are correct on that.

[goldcanyonaz]

60. To hell with Americans? So, he's a hero like Reverend Wright around here then

[Condem]

64. Or Limbaugh or Hannity et al.

[rodeodance]

85. You know poster was mocking you don't you??

[TK421]

99. No, no, no....he didn't say "God Damn America"

not the same thing.....


move along...nothing to see hear

[goldcanyonaz]

116. Right.. Moving along.

[TK421]

118. lol....love that!

:D he better run faster, though!

[thewiseguy]

63. To hell with you Elton John

[rodeodance]

69. ~~~~YOU ROCK JOHN~~

[cemaphonic]

74. He's friends with Eminem,

of course he thinks Americans are misogynists.

[Barack_America]

77. And Bill!

;)

[jefferson_dem]

81. Wonder if the Big Doggie was offended when Elton slammed misogynists...

:shrug:

[rodeodance]

why would he be?

[jefferson_dem]

93. You know why...

And so does he.

[rodeodance]

98. bill and Hillary and Chelsea are together as a family. Stop with any smears

you may have on your mind.

[Barack_America]

103. It's not what's on Jefferson Dem's mind that worries me...

It's what's on Bill's mind...

[rodeodance]

106. keep your gutter mind to yourself.

[Barack_America]

112. Lol!

I love it!

:rofl:

[Barack_America]

102. Glad you picked up where I was going with that.

Mr. Clinton does not have the greatest track record as far as respect for women goes.

[MonkeyFunk]

76. Good for Elton!

[Maddy McCall]

82. Hahahaha! This thread is precisely indicative of how low Obama supporters have sunk.

Elton John now targeted.

LMFAO!

[TK421]

101. LET IT SINK!!!@@22

[Barack_America]

105. Is it any worse than a pastor with 30 years of community service?

:shrug:

[Maddy McCall]

131. This pastor?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU&eurl=http://www.asktheasshats.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=23919

That Harlem pastor? :shrug:

[anonymous171]

88. BREAKING: FOREIGN ALLY OF CLINTON INSULTS AMERICA

IS CLINTON ANTI-AMERICAN!?

[zulchzulu]

91. Is Elton John implying that if you don't support the Clinton Machine, you're a misogynist?

Was Bill on the stage when Elton said this? Yunno, Bill, the guy that was...oh never mind.. ferchrissakes, when the hell is Hillary dropping out...

[LulaMay]

95. Honestly, how many of you don't have the GUTS to be honest about this?

[zulchzulu]

109. I hope you're kidding...are millions of women who support Obama "misogynists"?

It is an intellectually dishonest argument to think that if you don't support a woman politician that you are a "misogynist".

Are people who think Condi Rice is a liar "misogynists"? If I don't like Libby Dole, am I a "misogynist"? I can't stand Ann Coulter...so I'm a "misogynist"?

Hillary Clinton has run a nasty and failing campaign, voted for Bush's war in Iraq and is a pathological liar. It's NOT "misogyny" to point out the truth.

I wish Hillary Clinton had the GUTS to drop out...

[rodeodance]

107. You have a reading comprehension problem or stupid --take you pick.

[zulchzulu]

111. OK Einstein...what is it...yes or no?

The question:

If you don't support Hillary Clinton, you are a misogynist (even if you are a woman)?

Yes or No

[Bluenorthwest]

133. The question:

Einstein, is what did Elton say, not how you characterize what he said. He said some people in this country have misogyistic attitudes. I assumed he meas the media, whom he is not so fond of, and which does hold those attitudes.
Elton John said nothing untrue. Do you claim that no one in this country has misogynistic attitudes? Yes or No?

[zulchzulu]

195. Oddly, Elton brings up misogyny at a Hillary concert...

Are there still misogynistic attitudes in the country? Yes.

More pertinent is why would Elton bring up how misogynistic attitudes suck at a Hillary concert. Surely he was trying to link misogynistic attitudes with those that don't support Hillary, no? Maybe he could have condemned McDonald's while he was at it...

[Bluenorthwest]

197. It is an issue of the campaign

His Hillary support most likely stems from Obama's use of McClurkin. McClurkin stood at Obama's concert and openly attacked not Hillary, but all gay people, without apology. Elton is a fan of Gospel music and would be, as I have been, aware of McClurkin both as a musician and in his later role as minister of prejudice. Musician vs musician. While you may not understand it at all, Obama's McClurkin events were very personal to many of us in showbusiness, on levels not shared by the general population. Like it or not, those evnets and the subsequent handling of them by Obama was probably the deciding factor in Elton's household, which is half American, half British, and 100% Gay. Legally married in the UK, legally strangers in the US. Because of misogynistic attitudes in this country.
Misogyny is the cornerstone of homophobia. Some of us live with it daily. He was linking misogynistic attitudes to those who have them and those who promote them. The hope is that those people will change and reject those bigotries. Offending misogynists is not exactly a big worry for those of us who oppose them. Let me offer a nice quote from a great American:

"Cautious, careful people, always casting about to preserve their reputation or social standing never can bring about reform. Those who are really in earnest are willing to be anything or nothing in the world's estimation, and publicly and privately, in season and out, avow their sympathies with despised ideas, and bear the consequences." -- Susan B. Anthony

And one from another American:
"Traveling around the world, sitting with the president, this means more than anything to me.”----Donnie McClurkin referring to George W Bush and his personal priorities.

[Forkboy]

104. That's edgy? He's right.

Some of the people in this country are flat out misogynist. The only difference between Elton and I is that I'm no longer amazed.

[MonkeyFunk]

108. ah, the Clinton haters now ripping on Elton

What a bunch of hateful whiny little fucktards.

The guy's a legend, and he's doing a fundraiser for a DEMOCRAT! We should all be happy.

[TK421]

122. Let's see how much dirt we see kicked up on here about Elton John in ...oh, say the next day or so?

maybe a week....who knows? :puke:

I don't put anything past the GoBots!

[goodgd_yall]

214. Yeah, isn't that the way it goes

Double :puke:

[crankychatter]

110. I disagree, and to quote my man, Boy George

"America knows a good queen when they see one."

SHAME ON YOU, ELTON JOHN

[BenDavid]

113. I bleieve Elton has a point. Maybe he looked over some of the

obama supporters posts before he gave his concert.

[rodeodance]

147. :-)

[madrchsod]

114. lectured by a brit....how nice.

i saw him during his first us tour for ten dollars and he rocked the fieldhouse in dekalb il...i doubt he was as good now as he was then...

[Neshanic]

125. Sullivan and Hitchens hector us almost every night.

[Bluenorthwest]

137. Sadly

A Brit is in a good position to lecture the US on backward attitudes around gender and sexuality. His legal UK marriage to an American is not legal here in America. So gee. Actual issue. From his actual life.

[Neshanic]

139. Hitchens has credentials. Sullivan is a conflicted shrink's wet dream right wing tool.

[Bluenorthwest]

204. Sullivan can kiss my ass

I was refering to Elton John, whose marriage is legal in his home country but not here in his partner's, giving him a personal and rather obvious reason to speak about and aganst such attitudes.

[Neshanic]

115. "Obama sure throws a mean bowling ball." Obama would look great with those huge boots.

Then his feet would match his gargantuan ego.

[Gore1FL]

117. Thats pretty weird.

It's silly enough to be called a hater of women because I am not thrilled with the one that is running.

One would think that Elotn John's words are no less offensive than Reverend Wright's. I wonder if Hillary will distance herself from him.

[zulchzulu]

119. If those who don't support Hillary are misogynists, then those who don't support Obama are racists

Same stupid logic...

:crazy:

[loveangelc]

124. Hillary's campaign has set back female politicians for some time.

she should get out for the good of our sex in politics.

[Cha]

127. I was just talking to my son about it over

the phone and he said.."so, did elton call some Americans misogynists because hilary is losing?" "Would he call Americans that if hilary were winning?" I thought that was a very good point.

Are we only misoginists because hilary is losing to Obama?

[loveangelc]

158. Hillary supporters have seriously lost their minds imo.

anyone can clearly see she will not win, and they have gone from throwing out just about anything as a measure of how she can win to accusing anyone who says something bad about her as being misogynistic.

[Darth_Kitten]

175. Maybe your son needs to learn some reasoning skills.

Could be helpful in life. Since when was Hillary "losing"?

Maybe remind your son that life isn't some junior high contest. :sarcasm:
His attitudes towards women could use a tune up as well.

[Name removed]

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[Marrah_G]

134. Unfuckingbelievable........

Send that to Rush- He will just LOVE, LOVE, LOVE it!!!

Especially this part:

Never knowing where BIll was clinging to
When the rain set in
And he would have liked to have bone you
If you were just an intern kid

You are sure to be a hit over at the FR.

:eyes:

grow up

[zulchzulu]

135. Face it. Bill is the reason Hillary was never going to be President

Bill had more interest in his dong than his own wife. It also doesn't help that she's also a pathological liar as well, but he blew it (no pun intended) for her future as a presidential candidate.

As for Rush, he can go fuck himself. REAL Democrats are glad to see the Clinton Sand Castle being washed away.

[Marrah_G]

143. No...real Democrats don't get off on trashing good Dems with RW talking points

Pathetic.

[rodeodance]

150. You are right-so many obama fans here talk just the RW--can't tell them apart many times

[Clintonista2]

207. (Hint: Zulch isn't a real dem). Its the same poster who claims that Clinton "Let Osama go"

[anAustralianobserver]

152. I thought your deleted post song was funny and I thought Elton's comment was funny as well

except how about "The legend burned out long before the candle ever did"

[KaptBunnyPants]

132. Well fuck you too, Elton John.

Of course, Hillary would have won if not for that misogyny. For there are no valid reasons for not liking Clinton politics.

[Orsino]

183. "The misogynist attitude of some of the people in this country"...

...is hardly Sir Elton's fault. Why be angry with him? He's right.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

136. she must reject and denounce Elton, and return the funds he raised for her

hows that!

Oh, and he also has said publicly that religion is a very bad thing.

[Marrah_G]

145. How dare a gay man in America think religion is bad!

:eyes:

[anonymous171]

159. He's English, so it could be construed as an attack on "American Values"

[Bluenorthwest]

196. He's married to an American

And they live in Atlanta. Their marriage is fully legal in the UK but not here. Homophobia is a subset of sexism. Those attitudes touch even the superstar Elton and his partner David, an American. Elton has also paid more taxes to the US than I have earned in a lifetime, or ever will. He lives here, pays taxes here for decades and is married to an American.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

173. Didn't You Know That Gays And Children Should Be Seen And Not Heard?

:sarcasm:

[cooolandrew]

138. Did Elton John say god d*** Americans. It's Ok , nevermind..*sigh*Bring back Randi statue of liberty

[OzarkDem]

140. Elton saying what the rest of the modern world thinks

They're having quite a laugh at our expense. First Bush steals the election and spends 2 terms turning us into a bankrupt, third world banana republic.

Then half the country goes apoplectic out at the idea of electing a woman president.

And we have the most expensive, least effective health care system in the world.

We are the laughing-stock of the world.

[The Inquisitive]

141. Well to hell with him then...

[Bluenorthwest]

142. Elton John:

The Anti-McClurkin. Preach open homophobia and the Obama camp loves you.

Say some people have a misogynistic attititude, and they have a hissy fit.

Do you all think that no one in America has misogyinistic attitudes?

Really? None of the people in our Main Stream Media? Really? None of our people at all? Oh right, no such thing as sexism, and homophobia is just a great way to bait for votes.

[2rth2pwr]

146. Amazing how many people are defending misogynists here.

Can't say I'm surprised, but maybe some pizza is appropriate.

[VotesForWomen]

148. he's right. nt

[VotesForWomen]

149. Obama of course wouldn't be caught dead on the same stage with Elton John, or any one else so...gay.

[Major Hogwash]

153. Hahahahahaha! Yeah, you tell 'em Elton John! Give her some advice on some bookbags, too.

The kind with sequins and pretty shiny straps.

hahahahahaha.

I love it.
Elton John - Hillary's new bestest friend!

:rofl:

[davidpdx]

154. Add this to the list of people that are dead to the Clintons...

Americans

[Beacool]

156. Elton, thank you for supporting Hillary!!!!!!!!!!

You're right: the hell with them!!!!!!!!!

Go Hillary!!!!

:bounce:

[anonymous171]

157. "I never cease to be amazed at the misogynist attitude of...the people in this country,"

HATEFUL, ANTI-AMERICAN, AND MISANDRIST! :grr::evilgrin:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

174. Maybe You Need To Kick His Gay Ass

:sarcasm:

[Bongo Prophet]

160. I can't discern real outrage, fauxtrage or parody outrage anymore. We shouldn't be fighting midweek.

AT LEAST have the decency to wait for the weekend.
Even Elton would agree that Saturday's alright for fighting.

:yoiks:

[my3boyz]

161. Begging for money. PATHETIC!!! Hey Bill why don't you

open your checkbook and write a check to those people that you have not paid for their services. PATHETIC!

[susankh4]

162. Thank You Elton John!

You are more a hero to me today... than ever before!

What a generous and caring person!!

[TexasObserver]

163. He's a great artist, but like many of them, an idiot about everything else.

Singers are free to give their opinions about politics, but most artists are painfully ignorant about real world politics. Hillary's strength is the ignorant, so his support of her is not surprising.

[Marrah_G]

177. An idiot about things like maybe gay rights? The fight against Aids?

These are things he was doing FAR before it was the cool thing to do. Back when doing so could jeapordize your career. Back when people were afraid to be in the same time zone with an Aids victim (or a gay person for that matter).

But yeah, he is just a clueless, ignorant entertainer.

:eyes:

[rodeodance]

164. Elton: "misogynist attitude of some of the people in this country," Right ON!!

[Darth_Kitten]

176. Sad is the dismissive attitude some of the Obama supporters are passing

on to their children. Not much to be proud of.

[susankh4]

206. It is discouraging, isn't it?

We'll just have to wait see how those children will feel about things... after their parents fu** up the Supreme Court for them.....

You know, when they have to go back to square one on women's rights and reproductive freedom....

[workinclasszero]

178. "I'm a BITCH, I'm a BITCH, oh the BITCH is back"

Sir Elton John, the worlds biggest HYPOCRITE!!:rofl:

I can see why he likes Hillary.:eyes:

[Dr. Strange]

186. Good point.

But then this is the same Elton John who screamed "racism" because of the results of American Idol.

[Bluenorthwest]

202. That song

Is about Elton. He's singing about the way people see him, and taking the term as his own. Or rather, Bernie did that for him.

[Vinca]

179. As a woman, I'm really sick and tired of this perceived victimhood.

If Hillary isn't winning, apparently it's because we all hate women. Baloney. She's running a lousy campaign, people. That's the problem. She's gotten terrible advice from overpaid shills and she's losing. It has nothing to do with being a woman. She began her campaign by assuming she'd already run and that was poor judgement. Other women have become heads of state and no one seems to mind. Thatcher, Merkel and others. It's not the gender that is the problem, it's the person.

[ShortnFiery]

180. Why am I not surprised when HRC's supporters play the perpetual victim card? How Clintonian of him.

Clintonian strategy of "STOP, you're picking on me ONLY because <fill in the blank>!"

Waaaaaa!!! :eyes:

[Evergreen Emerald]

182. Shinning the light on sexism is NOT playing the victim

I am so tired of that attack.

Acknowledging that it exists is the first step in eradicating it.

[Political Heretic]

188. Not quite. Pointing out that it exisits with specific concrete examples is the first step..

..making blanket claims of sexism as the general excuse of everything doesn't help eradicate it, in fact it only reinforces it.

I applaud those DUers who have chosen not to politicize the term sexism by making blanket accusations and instead focus on specific examples of how sexism rears its ugly head in our society, such as how the media responded to Clinton in Texas.

[Evergreen Emerald]

192. Blanket claims of sexism rather than specific examples?

Who ever said it was the general excuse. People are refusing to LISTEN. Dismiss the allegations. Don't look at the facts. Pretend it is not really there--just loosers whining.

I have never said it was a general excuse for everything. But, to deny that it is not present in this election you have to purposefully ignore a ton of facts that are before you daily.

[Political Heretic]

194. Lots of things are present in this election. Sexism, Racism, Classism - we should be discussing

specifics.

Just saying "there's so much sexism" makes people feel like all criticism is being attacked in a disingenuous way by throwing around the term "sexist."

Instead of seeing so many threads saying things like "the rampant sexism at DU" or "the sexism in this campaign" I think it would be much better if people started being specific, because the specific examples of sexism ARE really compelling.

-- Media and DU reaction/characterization to "emotional" Clinton
-- Media and DU reaction to her anger in Texas against what she felt were unfair ads by the Obama campaign
-- Specific media figures who are allowed to be sexists, such as Chris Matthews
-- And so on.

When we get specific, its not as easy for people to feel like we're politicizing the issue or trying to use "sexism" as a political tactic against "all" criticism.

[Cha]

213. Yes, Sir elton john was parroting

the clinton victimhood line and blaming hilary's losing on anything but hilary's rotten campaign..and throwing in a "and they can go to hell, too."

Backatcha, elton.

[SeaLyons]

184. Elton Rocks...Hillary Rocks

Thanks for the post.

Go Hillary!!!

:kick:

[SoFlaJet]

185. VILE! VILE! VILE!

denounce and reject denounce and reject

[JeanGrey]

189. I'm sure Elton's opinion is really going to turn the tide

(snort)

[Name removed]

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[last1standing]

209. I agree. To Hell with Misogynists.

But to Hell with those who try to put up strawman arguments as well.

I'm fine with Elton John saying what he did just as I supported the Dixie Chicks when they commented on bush*. Whether I agree with what he says isn't important in that respect. He exercised his right.

Unfortunately, he decided to use that right to imply that Obama supporters are misogynists which is not only untrue but uncalled for. It is inappropriate just as it would be inappropriate for George Clooney to imply that all Clinton supporters are racists from the stage at the Oscars.

Also, some might consider it a bit misogynistic to marry a woman to use her as a cover to hide your homosexuality from the public. Glass houses and all.....