Myth-Busting: Shining Light On The Myths The Clinton Camp Would Want You To Believe

[TheDoorbellRang]

Last post of the night, folks. I really like this guy's analysis -- again, from my completely objective POV.

Myth-Busting: Shining Light On The Myths The Clinton Camp Would Want You To Believe
Posted by Ashish on 04.10.2008

FL & MI? The popular vote? Obama can't win big states? Obama only wins in areas with black voters? It's all false. 411's Ashish puts an end to many of the silly myths going around...

I've noticed lately that some people still are buying into some of the myths that the Clinton campaign is trying to push in hopes of getting some traction in their attempts to overturn the election results. Let's go through them...

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http://www.411mania.com/politics/columns/72879

Here's my favorite line from this:

It's like saying Clinton should win because she won the most states that start with an "A" and end with "rkansas." :rofl:

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

1. If my Grandmother had wheels, Hillary would be winning

its that sort of logic.

[cliffordu]

2. Perfect. Thanks

:patriot:

[ClayZ]

3. K and R

[Zachstar]

4. K&R

[SunsetDreams]

5. The Door Bell Has Indeed Rang!

sorry for the pun lol

Thank you for posting this!

The spin on this is fantasy land.

[TheDoorbellRang]

13. You're welcome. He/she makes some strong arguments

I especially liked this debunking of the "poor disenfranchised voters" twaddle:

MYTH: Obama wants to keep the remaining states from voting because he wants Clinton to quit. Again, just a completely false statement.

Obama has stated MANY times that Clinton has the right to stay in as long as she wants. He has NEVER said she should quit. But beyond that, the idea that Clinton cares so much about people voting is a joke. Clinton's campaign has ADMITTED that their plan was to win the nomination on February 5th, thus ensuring that more than HALF THE COUNTRY's votes didn't count. Also keep in mind that Clinton wracked up nearly 200 superdelegate votes BEFORE THE FIRST VOTE WAS CAST. That's more delegates than every state other than CA and NY, and she got them automatically without a single regular person voting for her. How is that fair to the voting public? She didn't seem so concerned with the voting rights of the public then. She tried her best to end this thing before it even started. The only reason they care now is because they are desperate to keep this thing going by any means. Clinton's plan was always to win the nomination right away like John Kerry did in 2004 and render virtually every state meaningless.

And her arguments contradict the notion that she wants every vote to count. She has been saying over and over again that small states don't matter. That red states don't matter. That states with high African American populations don't matter. That states with "latte sipping liberals" don't matter. Infact, the only states that have mattered, according to her, are interestingly enough the ones that she has won. Funny how that works out.

But the thing that really sinks Clinton is that while she is pushing so hard for every vote to count as if she cares about the integrity of the process, she herself knows that the only way she can win is by getting party insiders (superdelegates) to IGNORE the popular vote winner and give the nomination to her. She cannot win the popular vote, so is she staying in the race just to ensure that people get the right to vote? No. Basically, she wants everyone to vote, but in the end, wants the person who got the most votes to have the nomination taken away from him and given to her because, well, basically because she is Hillary Clinton and because she says so.

[PetraPooh]

6. I actually like the first comment after the post as much or more than the post.

It says:
Almost makes me want to start singing "Ding Dong the Witch is
Dead".

[hfojvt]

7. except one of them is not right

"MYTH: Obama can only win in states with large African American populations. Another totally inaccurate statement that is proven wrong by facts.

Obama has won the following states, all of which have a less than 10% African American population (and most of these have less than 5%): Iowa, Alaska, Colorado, Connecticut, Idaho, Kansas, Minnesota, North Dakota, Utah, Nebraska, Washington, U.S. Virgin Islands, Maine, Hawaii, Wisconsin, and Wyoming. That's 16 contests he has won in places that have no significant African American population. "

At least take Kansas off that list (maybe replace it with Vermont). Kansas has 2.6 million people and about 6.4% of them are black. That makes a total of 166,000 blacks. Obama won by a count of 27,172 to 9,462. The black population in Kansas is more than significant enough to impact that vote, and the same argument might hold in other states on that list.

[SunsetDreams]

8. Kansas still stands

"all of which have a less than 10% African American population (and most of these have less than 5%)"

[hfojvt]

14. sure it stands in that regard

but it does not follow that Obama did not win Kansas because of winning the black vote. He clearly did. My county is 84% white, and I would guesstimate the Obama supporters at the caucus were 70% black. Because caucus turnout was low (600 out of about 6,000 potential voters) the black population, even in Kansas, is large enough to have a significant impact on the outcome.

[SunsetDreams]

9. kick

[BumRushDaShow]

10. K&R

:kick:

[SunsetDreams]

11. kick

[SunsetDreams]

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[SunsetDreams]

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