Obama will lose to McCain: Codswallop. Baloney. Malarkey.

[cali]

It's some Hillfans dearest dream. They like to lugubriously repeat
how Obama will be ground to dust by the devastatingly appealing John McCain. For evidence, they point to polls that are 7 or 8 months out from the general election.

Nonsense. Yes, of course, it's possible that Obama will lose against
McCain, but if past is prologue, Obama will run an excellent campaign
against John McCain, just as he has against Clinton. And you can bet
your last dollar that the Obama campaign has already done extensive strategizing for the general election.

Proclaiming that Obama doesn't stand a chance against McCain, is as
ridiculous as claiming he can't lose against him, and it's pretty damn
ironic that it's coming from hillfans who proclaimed smugly a few short
months ago that he didn't stand a chance against Hillary.

Go ahead. Keep underestimating Obama. But do at the the peril of looking like an idiot. Again.

[Uben]

1. Then, of course.....

....if Obama does indeed lose to McCain, who looks like the idiot?

[SunsetDreams]

2. that would be Hillary...

because then she would know that even she couldn't beat McCain

[Uben]

4. You don't know that

...you are merely speculating.

[SunsetDreams]

6. as are you...

but if she can't beat Obama which is proven...I'll go with my answer

[cali]

5. All I'm saying is that it's idiotic

to forecast that Obama will absolutely lose to John McCain. And a
lot of Hillfolk do just that each and every day here.

[Uben]

7. Sorry, I'm not one of them

I do believe Obama will handily beat McCain, but weirder things have happened in elections.

[SunsetDreams]

8. thank you for that..

I believe Hillary could beat McCain as well

[Scriptor Ignotus]

34. America...again. - nt

[babylonsister]

3. "It's some Hillfans dearest dream." This to me is troubling.

I hope it's only because of the high emotions running rampant this primary season and they eventually see reason. But the attitude does make me wonder who the real Dems on this board are. I guess we'll find out soon enough.
And I agree, I think Obama will shine up against McCain, for so many reasons.

[Bake]

30. I resent the original comment. It's not my "dearest dream."

More like my worst nightmare. Sadly, for some O fans, their worst nightmare is a Hillary presidency (and not another Puke presidency).

Bake

[babylonsister]

32. Well then the OP wasn't talking to you. nt

[DemVet]

9. Hillfans dearest dream? C'mon....

I think we ALL assume Obama will win the election in a walk...if he's our Nominee that is.

However, we forget that most elections are decided by moderate Democrats AND moderate Republicans and others "in the center."

How well our candidate appeals to the center is what will determine the outcome of the election. When it comes down to that, I don't think this election is as much of a lock as we'd like to think. I think we're going to have to take McCain seriously and work our asses off. Getting complacent and ASSUMING we'll win will get our asses kicked.

[cali]

10. Glad it's not your fondest dream but I see it smugly

stated that Obama can't possibly win, a dozen times a day here. And I agree that we can't take a dem win in November for granted.

[Uben]

11. You're right, of course.....

......but, to think that anyone could vote republican after the last seven years baffles me. Although, I have seen some democrats just as blind to the obviouis as republicans.

[cali]

14. I can't imagine either not voting or voting for McCain

It's unthinkable to me. And some people on both sides of the
Obama/Clinton debate, have so demonized the other candidate, that they
justify not voting or voting for McCain. Just idiotic.

[DemVet]

24. Most voters...

...have one or two pet issues that decides their vote. The candidate that most closely aligns with what they want is who they will vote for, the previous Administration be damned.

[Submariner]

12. Repukes cannot win the WH this year

The 28%'ers will vote for him and that's it. The repukes have driven the country into a ditch they can't get themselves out of. They're incompetent imbeciles. Forget it. McCrazy elected as a 3rd guaranteed Bush term? Not a chance.

[SunsetDreams]

13. You're right about that

The Dems have everything going for them this year, there is no reason why Hillary or Barack, shouldn't kick some Repuke butt.

[elocs]

15. I can't wait for the first presidential debate when we see side by side

a tall and robust Obama next to the little old man McCain. What a contrast to Americans just their physical appearance will be. Obama looks like a man who can endure the rigors of the presidency. Presidents do show age after they have been in office, McCain is already an old, old man and his age will give many reason to doubt.

[leftofcool]

16. You think looks will win Obama the election?

[izzybeans]

17. Do you think imbecility will win McCain the election?

[Saturday]

18. It won it for Bush, why not McCain? nt

[izzybeans]

21. The only way he holds his own in a debate is with the same radio transmitters they wired

Manchurian Bush to.

His "integrity" might get the best of him here. I don't see him doing it. And sure can't see him coming off as a leader in a debate against either Hillary or Barack.

[cali]

26. Because McCain is not a sitting president

because we hadn't then suffered 5+ years of a disasterous war, spent trillions of dollars, and lost over 4,000 American troops. Because the economy wasn't completely in the tank and we weren't spending 3.75 for a gallon of gas or 4.50 for a gallon of milk.

[Prophet 451]

22. No but they never hurt n/t

[elocs]

36. They certainly will not hurt because many Americans will make a gut decision

based upon a candidate's appearance. Ever hear about the Kennedy/Nixon debates on tv and think that looks make no difference? Unlike here at DU there are millions of Americans who are not well versed in a candidate's positions. After seeing for weeks somebody having to whisper answers into McCain's ear and his plain ignorance on many things I think that many Americans will make a gut decision concerning who they perceive to be more presidential when they see Obama and McCain side by side.

[Vinca]

19. Codswallop? What the hell is a codswallop?

:rofl:

[Deep13]

20. It's not a deaest dream. The writing is on the wall...

...or in this case on the electoral map.

[cali]

27. No, it's not

and polls 7 months out are simply not to be relied on by anyone with"
two or more brain cells.

[Prophet 451]

23. He could but I don't see it happening

Barring some hideous scandal emerging from Obama's closet, McCain has exactly one thing in his favour: His (genuine) war hero status. While I don't want to see the Dems go the same route that raised questiosn about Kerry's (equally genuine) war record, it shouldn't be too difficult to show that McCain is, as Bill Maher said, a warrior who's dumb about war.

[MNDemNY]

25. They will both likely lose to McCain.

Re-Elect Al Gore.

[GoldieAZ49]

28. There is a key voting block he cannot win without

The White Male vote

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5424487

[cali]

29. nonsense

Bill didn't win the white male vote and neither did Gore. And Hillary certainly wouldn't.

[GoldieAZ49]

35. Perot put Bill in the WH by bleeding off votes GHWB

I don't recall a President Gore in American history

[cali]

38. Gore won the popular vote

but didn't win the white male vote regardless of the judicial theft t
that robbed him of his win. And repukes always win the white male vote.

[GoldieAZ49]

39. We don't elect Presidents on the popular vote

Gore lost the Electoral vote

and there was no judicial theft

I think it was the NYT that gathered all the ballots after the recount and W won.

Of course they didn't put it on the front page but buried it inside.




on edit:

How many Dem presidents have there been since we lost the majority of white male votes?

Clinton would not have won if Perot had not run.

I count zero.

[cali]

40. oh, please

It sure the hell was judicial theft. And in any case, genius, you're darling heroine hill, does WORSE with white males than Obama.

[GoldieAZ49]

41. so your count is zero also

we can agree on that

and disagree on the 'judicial theft'

[ORDem]

31. This is spot on. One only needs to compare the quality of Hillary's vs. Obama's campaign.

Obama will mop the floor with McCain. I don't see why anyone thinks that once the light of day shines on McStain that he will retain more than the 20%rs and a smattering of racists, etc. He is not the "saint" that some people have perceived. Plus, he is a gaffe-o-matic par excellence. He is essentially a sacrificial lamb this year when the Goopers know they are toast.

:dem:

[Scurrilous]

33. K & R

:thumbsup:

[depakid]

37. I think you overestimate the American electorate

particularly those in key states, who've chosen time and time again to cut of their noses to spite their faces.