I spoke to a lady in Indiana who is a republican who said she would vote for Hillary

[UALRBSofL]

She told me she was a republican and she voted for Bush in 2000. Then in 2004 she voted for him again. But, she said she would vote for Hillary this year because she was the best candidate to be able to resolve the economy, war, and the image throughout the world. She said her lady friends were going to vote for Hillary too. She said she has been active in helping Bush's campaign when she and her husband lived in Massachusetts before they moved to Indiana. She also said she was telling other people to vote for Hillary.

I told her I was calling from Florida and what did she think about the voting issues here. She said it had been on the news there a lot. She said this was a problem between the DNC and FDP and they were hurting the voters in Florida. I told her no one anticipated it to be this close and she agreed. She said this was not the voters problems but the DNC and FDP were at fault and they were penalizing and disenfranchising voters for there disagreements. She said Florida had the 4th largest delegates and the Democratic party shouldn't penalize the voters for this.

Then I asked her what she thought of many voters who would either do a write-in or vote third party in Florida if Florida delegates were not seated to either candidates satisfaction. She said that would be bad for the party. She said in 2004 she really didn't care for Bush but she liked Kerry less but she went ahead and voted for Bush instead of doing a write-in for her candidate or voting third party.

It was a nice conversation I had with her. She was very nice, thoughtful and knowledgeable about the candidates. Also, it was nice to hear a republican tell me she was voting for a democratic candidate this year. :)

[Boz]

1. Yep she is the best candidate the republicans have fielded in a number of years

She told me she was a republican and she voted for Bush in 2000. Then in 2004 she voted for him again. But, she said she would vote for Hillary this year because she was the best candidate to be able to resolve the economy, war, and the image throughout the world. She said her lady friends were going to vote for Hillary too. She said she has been active in helping Bush's campaign when she and her husband lived in Massachusetts before they moved to Indiana. She also said she was telling other people to vote for Hillary.

You do know she is a republican right?

Even the republicans know a duck when they see it.

[SammyWinstonJack]

2. BS!

[Maribelle]

4. Ha ha ha. You're just jealous because those folks are the ones Obama is trying to pimp and ...

his plan is backfiring in his face.

[cali]

6. "Obama is trying to pimp"?

Shove it. And you know where.

[DemVet]

13. Truth hurts, huh?

[Boz]

15. Is that why Hillary got so upset over the term,she threatened that she was ready to tell 1000s

of voters she wasn't going to let them hear her point of view over the same term and it was much more the truth in that situation.

But your post now explains it, the truth does hurt her, which must be why she uses it so little.

Is it like propheria and sunlight, she gets some truth on her and starts to burn?

[DemVet]

22. great post

:eyes:

[cali]

21. god that's just so lame

it's an offensive statement, not a true one. You all are increasingly
pathetic.

[Alter Ego]

26. Congratulations--one of a gazillion crossovers is actually voting

for Hillary.

Meanwhile, the majority of them that are voting for her are Rushbot zombies doing what their Maximum Leader tells them so that they can run against her (and squash her) in the GE.

[samdogmom]

37. Not really...I know several Republicans and they're all voting for Obama!

Even my die hard Republican brother-in-law is an Obama supporter. This is the first time in FOREVER that we have family harmony!

And, my Bush-supporting parents voted for Obama in the Virginia primary and will be supporting him in the general election.

I still haven't found a single Hillary supporter in my circle of friends and family.

I'm actually astonished to hear about people joining the Hillary bandwagon at this point in time--talk about hitching your horse to the wrong wagon!.....

[TTUBatfan2008]

43. pimp?

Weren't you Hillary people pissed off at Shuster for using that word in the same context? Talk about double standards.

[UALRBSofL]

10. Boz, you must be new. Anyway, your logic does not make sense

Saying she is a duck is way off base. She encouraged me and said the democratic party should not do a write-in or vote third party in the GE if there candidate lost. Now, to me, it sounds like the lady was sincere.

[Boz]

14. I have no doubt the woman was sincere, I stand by what I said, Hillary Clinton is as Republican as

Joe Lieberman.

I have no doubt that republican woman would vote for Hillary Clinton and be comfortable with it.

Hillary Clinton is:

Pro Military Aggression
Pro Corporationist
Pro Trickle Down Economy
Pro Free Trade
Pro Welfare Reform
Pro Choice Neutral
Pro Tax Shelter
Pro Job Outsourcing
Pro Privatization of Social Security
Pro Privatization of Military Outsourcing

Her lobbyist driven fundraising is K street connected stronger than half the republicans in congress.
Her "universal" health care is coporatized welfare and so on.
Even her worst enemies like Scaife can see shes a repub in sheeps clothing.

The reference to a duck was if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck but tells you its a swan, its still a duck.

Hillary Clinton ain't no swan.

If it walks like a republican, talks like a republican and tells you its a Democrat shes still a republican.

[leftynyc]

16. How do you explain the

near identical voting records for Sen Obama and Sen Clinton?

[Boz]

19. Because shes barely taken a stand on anything? This is a senator that has by definition a whole

extra session on Obama. Everyone touts her experience, and yet she has less active laws that she sponsored and got passed in her whole career then he has had in his one stint in congress.

Would she go one the record with a vote that was controversial, no that would be leadership, but instead you hold up the leadership of experience as "near identical" to a freshman senator.

Im confused how a senior senator performs less for two terms than a freshman for one and she has less drive and juice/pull and completed less non pomp and circumstance law than said freshman senator and yet you seem to think she has done more for democrats than she has for republicans.

How do you explain that?

[leftynyc]

20. You have no idea what I think

You made the claim that Sen Clinton is obviously a pub if you look at her record. I merely pointed out that Sen Obama has a nearly identical voting record so why aren't you calling him a pub. Just looking for a little consistency.

[Boz]

23. You brought the voting record into it, Im talking about her publically observable stances.

And as I pointed most of her "record" is by her own choice and standing not her time as senator.

[leftynyc]

25. I'm using an objecitve criteria

something that can be quantified. You're using a subjective measure. To each their own.

[Boz]

35. How is it a quantitive measure, if she has almost no stance on law generation, His is clear in the

laws he has generated. Education, Non Nuclear proliferation and many others that are platform planks in his campaign and the Democratic party platform. Her stances on generation, mostly utilitarian naming laws.

It is subjective when you cant have anything to measure her by other than her ability to go "me too".

The only measure that isn't subjective is what she choses to sponsor and generate as law his has been platform and driven. Her's have been just basically housekeeping and she has had much longer to do it and still hasn't taken any stands and made them hers.

He has made Democratic platform issue law as a rule, not what he voted on, what he created and sponsored.

Her law generation, housekeeping and mostly Republican platform, IE More job outsourcing. H1b and so on

Thats as substantive and quantitative as it gets when your a law maker, not what to agree to pass, but what law do you make.

[leftynyc]

38. I vehemently disagree with you on this

If someone sponsors a law that they know has no prayer of being passed, that's just ego. They can make the same statement on their website or during a speech on the senate floor and it would have the same quantitative effect.

Voting records are what matter to me. When push came to shove, this is how the person wants it on the record. That's why Sen Clinton's vote on the Iraq war and the later one on Iran are going to be the reason she loses this nomination race (that and a pathetically run campaign). People can say whatever they want on the campaign trail in order to win - that means nothing to me - I've watched politicians win races and then completely go against everything they ran on. I don't watch what they say, I watch what they do. Sponsoring votes that are excercises in futility don't mean anything to me.

[Boz]

41. Im talking about laws he sponsored and got passed, not just sponsored.

Every one of them has been solid democratic platform pieces.

I agree if it was just for show it would be wrong. These haven't been, there has been a solid success rate, which is why I state again, its about who and what they make as law, not just what they say "me too" to.

[KAZ]

45. Great posts Boz! Welcome to DU.

And Leftynyc, push came to shove on the IWR.

[Hepburn]

30. Exactly! n/t

[izzybeans]

3. I wish this was a trend.

My mother is helping campaign for Obama and my father for Hillary in Indiana. Let's just say he is having a hell of hard time. Indiana is as caught up in the right wing echo chamber as any other midwestern state. The irrational Clinton hatred among republicans runs deep.

[UALRBSofL]

5. I'm not sure why I get negative responses from the Obama supporters

Instead of sitting posting on DU and being hateful toward Hillary supporters when they have a story to tell and calling it BS and other selective words, why don't you phone bank for your candidate and maybe you might have some interesting stories to tell folks on DU.

[cali]

8. Nothing negative from me

Sounds like a great and hopeful conversation.

[izzybeans]

9. How in the world is what I posted negative?

I reported on my parents experiences as volunteers for both campaigns in Indiana. It is what it is.

I don't doubt that this woman exists. I just wish it were a trend. If it is then great, we all benefit. But from what I've seen and heard about the campaign and from living in Indiana for most of my life I remain skeptical until I see a shift in voter registrations in the state.

Regardless, I'm happy for Indiana. Obama is the first democrat to set up shop during a presidential primary in my hometown since anyone can remember going back before Carter and Hillary was only days behind. I applaud them both.

there are good democrats there in Indiana. I'm glad to see they are finally not forgotten.

[MagickMuffin]

11. Tell that to your friends who posted at link below ;=D

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5441854

It seems this swings both ways.

[AllentownJake]

7. I lived in Indiana for 3 years

There are reasons it was the first state called for Bush in 2004. This is the epicenter of the RW movement...still nice we are getting crowds there for both candidates though.

[SeaLyons]

12. "best candidate to be able to resolve the economy, war, and the image throughout the world."

That sums it up....thanks for posting the story.

:kick:

[madrchsod]

17. i know 6 republicans who are voting for obama

red neck republican assholes but they think obama will protect their veteran rights because alzheimer john has`t vote yes on any veteran bills in years..they won`t vote for woman.

both examples kinda prove that the republicans got a loser for a candidate and this "who is better to defeat alzheimer john" is foolish. who ever wins the democratic nomination will have a hell of a lot more workers out there on the ground for our candidate than will the republicans

[Hepburn]

18. Since I support Obama, I have heard a lot of Pubbies say they are...

...voting Dem this year IF Obama is the nominee. However, if it is Hillary, they are voting for McCain. That lady you found must be one in a million who feels that way.

Not my experience at all.

[JimGinPA]

24. Same Here...

HRC is hated by most repubs. The OP may be true but it is certainly an oddity.

[Hepburn]

32. Same way it hit me...

...all the Pubbies I know absolutely hate Hillary.

[polmaven]

48. But, I thought

she WAS a republican!...Oh it's all so confusing!

[democrattotheend]

28. I've heard a few Republicans say that

But I heard more Democrats say they wouldn't vote for Obama than the other way around.

[democrattotheend]

27. Why are you talking to people in Indiana about the Florida situation?

Just curious...You already had this woman's vote, if I read your story correctly. I'm glad you had a nice conversation...those are few and far between when phonebanking. But I am confused about why you are discussing the Florida situation with a voter in Indiana?

[UALRBSofL]

33. Well, because the conversation was going well and I wanted to see if they heard about the issues

in Florida. I have a habit of bringing up the Florida voting problem quite a bit because I'm not real happy with what is going on here. And, she was very sincere about it. She made a point of telling me the people in Florida should not do a write-in or vote third party because there candidate lost the nomination.

[democrattotheend]

34. Gotcha

I hope you agree with her about voting for the eventual nominee.

[UALRBSofL]

36. Of course I will be voting for a democrat in the GE

Being a gay man, the LGBT community stands to lose the most if a Republican is in office. Part of the Republican's beliefs and a part of the foundation of there platform of issues is anti-gay rhetoric.

[Raffi Ella]

29. "She also said she was telling other people to vote for Hillary"

[whatchamacallit]

31. It makes sense. People vote for candidates who are most like them.

In other words, Hillary is even more of a repuke than McCain.

[BklnDem75]

39. Well she did vote for Bush twice...

so she had no sense to begin with. :)

I spoke to some friends in Brooklyn who all said they were voting for Obama. But honestly, what does that have to do with the cost of tea in China?

[lojasmo]

40. Single anecdotal datapoint? Heh. EOM

[NJSecularist]

42. Hillary has some appeal to independents and Republicans.

I don't know where the myth started that she didn't. If she was the nominee, I would have expected her to get a fair share of independents and Republicans in her coalition.

[Cali_Democrat]

44. Hillary really knows how to attract Republicans

[Texas Hill Country]

46. K&R

[HCE SuiGeneris]

47. I don't understand.

How will they vote for Hillary when Obama is the nominee? Are they planning to write her name in?