At Clinton fundraiser in NYC: Elton John on misogynistic Americans - "I say to hell with them."

[MethuenProgressive]

"I never cease to be amazed at the misogynist attitude of some of the people in this country," he said. "I say to hell with them."

Bravo, Elton! We all agree! To HELL with misogynistic AND homophobic people!

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0408/Elton_John_To_hell_with_them.html

[K Gardner]

1. Tell that to your fellow Hillite here asking for sexual favors from female posters.

Otherwise, STFU.

[Lucinda]

19. Wow.

[xmas74]

20. Ummm....what?

If that happened why didn't you alert?


Did anyone ever tell you that you don't make "a lick of sense"?

[K Gardner]

21. I did :-) And yeah, been told that before !

[xmas74]

24. I can tell that you've heard it a time or twenty.

Most of the posts here on DU nowadays are nonsensical at best. The level of discourse has gone downhill to the point that I'm truly disgusted with this entire joint.

You're an Obama supporter and I'm a Clinton supporter. We should be able to sit down and calmly discuss what we do and do not like about each candidate. (And since both candidates are Dems there should be things that we can name about each candidate that we like. Neither is the the antichrist.) We both know that neither of our candidates are perfect but we've chosen them for our own reasons and each should be respected.

Sorry to dump this on you but it seems that dumping is all that everyone does here on DU nowadays. If we, as Dems, can't get our shit together we'll lose in November.

[K Gardner]

30. I don't post long drawn-out discourses here because I've found its

a waste of time and keystrokes. Its that simple. Someday, hopefully, it will be different. :hi:

[Lerkfish]

2. and when Rev. Wright said similar, you were all over it like white on rice.

so to speak.

interesting how your own perspective colors your perceptions.

[Tom Rinaldo]

6. I never attacked Wright

But if Wright had said God Damn racists in America rather than God Damn America there would be no controversy over it. Elton John did not say Americans can go to Hell, he said Americans with misogynist attitudes can go to Hell.

[BeyondGeography]

9. It's a variation of the "only white racists vote against Obama" argument

And you'll waste a fair portion of your life defending it if you're not careful. He shouldn't have gone there. Move on.

[MethuenProgressive]

11. All progressive Democrats should agree with Elton's stand against misogynist attitudes.

Why would any progressive take the "yes lets hate all females" attitude?

[merh]

18. oh, I agree with him

I also agree with wright's statement and don't see it as racist. Any progressive that listened to his sermon in its entirety would be of the same mindset.

"... the government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes the 3 strike laws and then wants us to sing God bless America, no, no, no, God damn America, that's in the bible for killing innocent people, God damn America for treating her citizens as less than human."

The said thing is so many alleged progressives/liberals have ridden the band wagon of hate and racism against Wright while not bothering to use empathy or trying to understand the cultural differences.

Funny thing is, at the end of the "awful" sermon Wright calls on his congregation to take personal responsibility for their lives, to not linger in the blame and to do what the good book says. Shame how many missed that part of his sermon, some would really do well trying to do just that.

[merh]

15. Go listen to his sermon in its entirety

What he actually said was


"... the government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes the 3 strike laws and then wants us to sing God bless America, no, no, no, God damn America, that's in the bible for killing innocent people, God damn America for treating her citizens as less than human."

Doesn't god condemn the killing of innocents and the mistreatment of people? In all actually he left his "s" off of "God damns America"

"...God bless America, no, no, no, God damns America, that's in the bible for killing innocent people, God damns America for treating her citizens as less than human."

God does damn those who kill the innocents and mistreat others. It is in the bible.

Context is everything.

[MethuenProgressive]

8. Pastor Wright said misogynistic Americans should go to hell? Link?

Are you refering to the racist anti-American screed from Obama's misogynistic personal spiritual advisor and role model?
"God DAMN the US of KKK!! Its IN THE BIBLE!!"

That's "similar, so to speak"? Not if one speaks English.

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[rodeodance]

46. You have a reading comprehension problem if that is what you think he said.

[BeyondGeography]

3. God damn America!

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[durrrty libby]

4. Bravo indeed.

[0007]

7. Holy smoke and the full court press.

[tekisui]

5. Good on Elton!

I agree, unconditionally with his statement!

[noel711]

10. So... I'm a misogynist if I don't support Hillary?

And I can go to Hell?

I'd hope in this day and age we can look beyond labels
to what lies beneath.

but if we're divided up, and judged, by broad brush strokes
we're no better than the republicans....

[MethuenProgressive]

12. noel, be honest with yourself, you know that was not said.

Don't make stuff up to complain about.

[noel711]

14. Why not? It's much more fun than arguing with others?

And complaining about myself justifies the meds I need!

[Name removed]

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[zulchzulu]

27. Women who support Obama are really men...get it?

All these misogynistic attitudes from people who dare not like Hillary are the reason Tim Russert always asks her the debate question first. Ladies first!

If a woman supports Obama, she's a self-hating sexually confused individual. It's time the Hillary Clinton campaign EXPOSE these woman for being traitors to Hillary's private parts!

Poor little Hillary. All these enemies of her sex...all out to get her...boo fucking hoo.

:puke:

[MethuenProgressive]

36. What silly and hateful things to type. Why make up such baloney?

You write fiction, and then pretend you're angry about things that never happened.
You must support Obama, Wright?

[rodeodance]

54. Need a pillow?

[MethuenProgressive]

17. "Clinton supporter Elton John laments US misogyny" - Reuters

"Clinton supporter Elton John laments US misogyny" - Reuters

http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed1/idUSN0926923920080410

NEW YORK (Reuters) - British pop star Elton John, playing a fund-raiser for Hillary Clinton in New York on Wednesday, said he was amazed at the misogyny of some in America and he hoped that wouldn't stop her being president.

At the fund-raiser which Clinton's campaign manager said raised $2.5 million, John said there was no one more qualified to lead the United States into the next era.

"Having said that, I never cease to be amazed at the misogynistic attitude of some people in this country. And I say to hell with them," he said, drawing cheers from the crowd at Radio City Music Hall in Manhattan.

[Branjor]

22. K & R

n/t

[nichomachus]

23. If you don't support Hillary, you're a misogynist?

Wow -- name-calling is a great way to recruit people to your side.

I don't support either Hillary or Obama at this point. However, it's interesting that the only people who have called me names are the Hillary supporters.

[MethuenProgressive]

25. He said "the misogynistic attitude of some people" Why did you post that?

Do you have a link to some quote that no one but you has seen?

[nichomachus]

26. Because that's where the Hillary crowd is running with this quote -- read before you post

[MethuenProgressive]

34. What a silly thing to type. Link to anything anywhere by anyone saying hwta you claim?

No?

[rodeodance]

42. -I had to correct several Obama folk today--they are posting it smear version!!

[MethuenProgressive]

48. A "smear version"? They're AGAINST being AGAINST misogyny??

:wtf:

[Lilith Velkor]

49. Yes

They are outraged about the opinion that people with misogynist attitudes can go to hell.

The implication is that the concept of "America" is inseparable from that of "misogyny." Interesting, no?

[zulchzulu]

28. So in turn, if you don't support Obama, you're a KKK racist Nazi youth

Two can play this game...

[nichomachus]

31. Wow -- that is breathtakingly stupid

I wouldn't say that -- just as I wouldn't say that someone who doesn't support Hillary is a mysogynist.

Please read my post again -- or, better still, have someone read it to you

[zulchzulu]

38. I think the misogyny accusation is breathtakingly stupid and inane

It's so binary in its ignorance... why not throw back the same nonsense...

[MethuenProgressive]

He never mentioned Obama supporters. You bloviate to make this "all about you".

"I never cease to be amazed at the misogynistic attitude of some people in this country."
You think he only is amazed at the misogynistic attitudes of Obama followers?

[nichomachus]

60. You'd have a point if . . .

I were an Obama supporter.

[DearAbby]

65. Then your reason for posting this here?

it seems to me to be making the statement, those of us who support Obama over Hillary are misogynists. I see no other reason to post it in GD-P otherwise. Most all of us here are not sexist, or hopefully racist being progressives. So what other reason could you be saying in your post?

[MethuenProgressive]

37. What an extraordinarily silly thing to type. You make things up to be angry about.

And that's just silly.

[Political Heretic]

32. I agree, and I think some Obama supporters need to get a grip.

Cheers, Elton

[MethuenProgressive]

39. He never mention Obama supporters - "the misogynistic attitude of some people"

Why do so many Obama supporters want to pretend he was speaking about them?

[Political Heretic]

40. I don't know. Defenisiveness probably, at the number of times they've been wrapped into a blanket

characterization of sexism for their problems with Clinton.

That's not an excuse, though. This whole thing is dumb. He made a comment we should all agree with.

[whatchamacallit]

33. Well I can guarantee you, I love women more than Elton ;-)

[Arugula Latte]

35. I agree ... To hell with misogynistic Americans ... I still ain't votin' fer Hillary, though.

As a female, I have the analytical ability to make up my own mind about who to vote for. Just because I don't like Hillary doesn't mean I don't like my entire gender.

[goldcanyonaz]

41. Just like not voting for Obama ain't cuz of racism.

[rodeodance]

45. fine, it is myth--here on DU that if you are woman you have to vote for Hillary

[rodeodance]

43. You rock Elton~~~~

[MethuenProgressive]

47. Elton's been a fine spokesperson against Hate for many years!

:yourock:

[Raffi Ella]

44. Hear Hear!

:toast: to Elton!

[MattBaggins]

50. And racist voters

that don't support Obama. To hell with them as well.

[MethuenProgressive]

51. So racist voters

that do support him don't have to go to hell?

"And racist voters that don't support Obama. To hell with them as well."

That's an odd statement.

[MattBaggins]

52. No it's not

you just have to twist and spin everything.

Are you going to cry and stomp your feet when Obama gets sworn in as President?

[MethuenProgressive]

53. You typed: "And racist voters that don't support Obama. To hell with them as well."

If you don't want anyone to read about what you're thinking, don't hit "post message".

You're welcome.

[phrigndumass]

55. What's with the faux outrage of some people? Elton's words were very clear.

It's not unpatriotic to admit there are misogynistic people in this country. That's the people he was referring to.

On the flip side, though, people who didn't understand what he said aren't homophobic, just territorial. And kinda stupid.

(Don't blame all Obama supporters, because I am one)

[MethuenProgressive]

57. Thanks for the thoughtful post!

Good luck to your candidate!

[grassfed]

56. not liking Elton is not technically misogyny

[Vinca]

58. This is quite a disgusting statement.

Essentially, he's saying people who hate women are costing Hillary the nomination, which is absolute baloney. It would be equally disgusting for an Obama celebrity supporter to say the same sentence, switching the word mysogynist to the word racist. Using Elton's logic, anyone who doesn't support Barack is a racist. It's idiotic. If Hillary was the candidate with the most appeal to all the voters, she'd be winning.

[MethuenProgressive]

61. What a silly thing to type.

You're against someone speaking out against misogyny?

[Vinca]

62. I doubt you know what true misogyny is. nt

[MethuenProgressive]

63. You can support Hate if you want.

I'll continue to oppose it.

[Vinca]

64. Why would I support hate? I'm a woman and I know gender-based

hatred when I see it. Hillary is losing because she's the least favored candidate. If we play by your rules, all the time Obama was being trashed over Rev. Wright it was really nothing but racism. By the way, the constant whining and victimhood is very unflattering.

[MethuenProgressive]

66. I agree, BO's constant whining and victimhood is very unflattering.

But sheep will follow the Judas Goat anywhere.

[Vinca]

67. I only have 2 people on ignore, but I'm making an exception for you. nt

[yourguide]

59. ah but the racist people they're ok? n/t