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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 09:54 AM
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Politico: Obama Refuses To Pander To Gays, African-Americans, Latinos, or Unions
Edited on Thu Apr-10-08 10:00 AM by malik flavors
April 10, 2008
Categories: Barack Obama

Refusing to narrowcast


My colleague Carrie Budoff Brown has a good story on the gay press's dissatisfaction with Obama's refusal to grant them interviews, and he responded to the controversy in an interview in the Advocate in which he made explicit a central aspect of his candidacy:

I don’t think it’s fair to say silence on gay issues. The gay press may feel like I’m not giving them enough love. But basically, all press feels that way at all times. Obviously, when you’ve got limited amount of time, you’ve got so many outlets. We tend not to do a whole bunch of specialized press. We try to do general press for a general readership.

Obama goes on to say that the Spanish-language and African-American press have the same gripe, and makes this central point:

But I haven’t been silent on gay issues. What’s happened is, I speak oftentimes to gay issues to a public general audience. When I spoke at Ebenezer Church for King Day, I talked about the need to get over the homophobia in the African-American community, when I deliver my stump speeches routinely I talk about the way that antigay sentiment is used to divide the country and distract us from issues that we need to be working on, and I include gay constituencies as people that should be treated with full honor and respect as part of the American family.

So I actually have been much more vocal on gay issues to general audiences than any other presidential candidate probably in history. What I probably haven’t done as much as the press would like is to put out as many specialized interviews. But that has more to do with our focus on general press than it does on … I promise you the African-American press says the same thing.

(There is one exception to this trend: The Jewish press, which has gotten lots of Obama love -- more today, including an interesting appreciation of Passover seders -- as he uses it to beat back rumors and speak about broader foreign policy issues.)

But Obama's disinclination to narrowcast, and to target small groups, is an area where his campaign matches his message, and it extends beyond specialty press. He got very few labor endorsements in the first stage of the campaign, for instance, because he didn't pander or focus on narrow issues when he talked to labor groups. Hillary would talk to labor groups about their specific contract conditions, or on a battle over tips, and get roaring applause. Obama would give his stump speech, and receive a tepid response. They came to him, in the end, giving them less leverage over him.

He's also lagged on the fundraising organized by ethnicity: Clinton has been successful in raising millions from specific Asian communities -- Fujianese, Indians; Obama (with the exception of the surge in big African-American money) less so. This applies to electioneering as well: Hillary occasionally sends out press releases to please the Polish, say, or Greek communities, honoring holidays or anniversaries; Obama does much less frequently.

The result, in this case, is that the communities have had to come to him. I spoke with a prominent gay leader about this recently, and he expressed mixed feelings: He likes Obama's message and his promises; but he feels that the organized community -- and the leader himself -- can't call Obama on the phone, remind him of past favors, and demand allegiance, if he wavers once in the White House.

Still, on balance, Obama's promises to be a different White House when it comes to the relationship to the traditional power brokers. He's made fewer promises, and owes less, to labor, and to the organized civil rights communities. And he owes much less, of course -- and most important of all -- to the people who give many of those communities their clout: large donors.


http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0408/Refusing_to_narrowcast.html
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 09:56 AM
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1. This is GREAT news.
How it should be.
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 09:59 AM
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3. Indeed.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:51 AM
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27. I wish it were really true - maybe it is now after his race card playing "consolidated" the AA vote
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 01:39 PM
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33. Hillary supporters hear Obama saying things he never said.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 01:51 PM
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36. Bill and Hillary consolidated the AA vote for him.
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 02:00 PM
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38. Exactly...
Clinton supporters are using some weird bizaro logic here. They think Obama was race baiting to help get out the AA vote at the expense of the white vote. Why would he try to alienate a larger group of voters for the sake of a smaller group that he already had the advantage with? The only people the SC BS was designed to benefit was Hillary. It backfired for her.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:34 PM
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44. That works if thinking people didn't know it was Axelrod that played the race card in SC..
Try again.. You might catch a dummie!
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:56 PM
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46. catch a dummie? - I agree - to believe Axelrod was not purposely pushing the race card is nuts
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 11:38 PM
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50. Yeah, good ol hilary & bil..the
gift that keeps on giving.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 11:39 PM
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51. if you were really interested you would invest time in seeing what he did say at Ebenezer Church
before he 'consolidated' his African American vote.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf0x_TpDris
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 11:50 PM
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54. Gosh...it seems like only yesterday...

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out. "Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html


Kerrey Apologizes to Obama Over Remark
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4031436
Kerrey's mention of Obama's middle name and his Muslim roots raised eyebrows because they are also used as part of a smear campaign on the Internet that falsely suggests Obama is a Muslim who wants to bring jihad to the United States.
Obama is a Christian.
The Clinton campaign has already fired two volunteer county coordinators in Iowa for forwarding hoax e-mails with the debunked claim. Last week, a national Clinton campaign co-chairman resigned for raising questions about whether Obama's teenage drug use could be used against him, so Kerrey's comments raised questions about whether the Clinton campaign might be using another high-profile surrogate to smear Obama.



Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs


Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008
The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's
Super Tuesday primary, which she won.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-

2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html


Source: Newsday
Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2007 at 12:04 pm
Barack Obama Accepts Apology From Hillary Clinton
Washington D.C. 12/15/2007 09:17 AM GMT (FINDITT)

Hillary Clinton went straight to Barack Obama with an apology following a staffer's remarks about any skeletons that may be lurking in Obama's closet, pointing out that she had accepted the staffer's resignation over the disparaging remarks. Obama accepted her at her word, according to his campaign staff, and is moving on without letting it interrupt his campaign plans.


Obama is currently leading the polls in Iowa and New Hampshire, the two early primary states often considered key to the process, according to numbers at usaelectionpolls.com, but on a national level Clinton still holds a huge lead. The most recently posted poll results show Obama with 31 percent of the
probable voters in New Hampshire backing him with 29 percent showing support for Clinton.
http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=30629&cat=5

Clinton Camp Pushes O-Bomber Links: Ignores
Her Own Radical Ties
By: Justin Rood

ABC News - The Hillary Clinton campaign pushed to reporters today stories about Barack Obama and his ties to former members of a radical domestic terrorist group -- but did not note that as president, Clinton's husband pardoned more than a dozen convicted violent radicals, including a member of the same group
mentioned in the Obama stories."Wonder what the Republicans will do with this issue," mused Clinton spokesman Phil Singer in one e-mail to the media, containing a New York Sun article reporting a $200 contribution from William Ayers, a founding member of the 1970s group Weather Underground, to Obama in 2001.
In a separate e-mail, Singer forwarded an article from the Politico newspaper reporting on a 1995 event at a private home that brought Obama together with Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, another member of the radical group.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4330128&page=1


Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says. Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in
her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)


http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20080112_nevada_lawsuit.pdf
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/a-feisty-bill-

clinton-defends-nevada-lawsuit/
CLINTON ALLIES SUPPRESS THE VOTE IN NEVADA...
On Meet the Press on Sunday, Hillary Clinton said her campaign had nothing to do with a lawsuit--written about by Nation Editor Katrina vanden Heuvel--that threatens to prevent thousands of workers from voting in the Nevada caucus on Saturday.
Back in March, the Nevada Democratic Party agreed to set up caucus locations on the Vegas strip for low-income shift workers, many of them members of the state's influential Culinary Union, who commute long distances to work and wouldn't be able to get home in time to caucus. It was an uncontroversial idea until the Culinary Union endorsed Barack Obama and the Nevada State Education Association, whose top officials support Clinton, sued to shut down the caucus sites.
The Clinton camp played dumb until yesterday, when President Clinton came out in favor of the lawsuit.
Clinton's comments drew a heated response from D. Taylor, the head of Nevada's Culinary Union, on MSNBC's Hardball. "He is in support of disenfranchising thousands upon thousands of workers, not even just our members," Taylor said of Clinton. "The teachers union is just being used here. We understand that This is the Clinton campaign. They tried to disenfranchise students in Iowa. Now they're trying to
disenfranchise people here in Nevada, who are union members and people of color and women."

Rank-and-file members of Nevada's teachers union also come out against the lawsuit filed by their leadership. "We never thought our union and Senator Clinton would put politics ahead of what's right for our students, but that's exactly what they're doing," the letter stated. "As teachers, and proudmDemocrats, we hope they will drop this undemocratic lawsuit and help all Nevadans caucus, no matter which candidate they support."
The lawsuit's opponents make a persuasive point. Creating obstacles to voting is what the GOP does to Democrats, not what Democrats should be doing to other Democrats.


Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.

Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html


January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
By Julie Bosman
KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”



January 17, 2008
COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized
to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments
that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized
for comments he made at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-

johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34


Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March

http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080201/cm_thenation/45278988_1
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET
The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.
----------
Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
-------------------------
Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg
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Sadie5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 09:57 AM
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2. Well well...
BO has just admitted that he is not union friendly. The Teamsters have thrown their support behind him, but then, they have also thrown their support behind Bush too. Remember the pipeline deal Bush and Hoffa outlined in 04.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:00 AM
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5. He never said he's not union friendly
Just that he does not like to pander. And he has support from 6 AFL-CIO unions and most of the Change to Win unions...he has plenty of labor support, not just the Teamsters.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:03 AM
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11. Actually, wait
I just read the whole interview and found nothing about labor unions. Where are you getting that from?
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:01 AM
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9. He Has "Admitted" Nothing Of The Kind...
He is smart for not becoming beholden to any special interests.
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dragonlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:11 AM
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15. Think of all the messes he will have to clean up
The economy is in shambles, climate change remedies are far behind where they should be, Iraq occupation has to be ended, and on and on. Having a free hand to make changes will be very helpful.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 01:48 PM
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35. You're lying. It's the desperation of the Hillary supporter.
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:00 AM
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4. Barack will be a true people's president
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:00 AM
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6. Uh huh... Uncle Ray Ray and Pookie ring a bell in S.C.?
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:02 AM
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10. He says that to predominently white audiences as well. It's a funny line he uses everywhere.
Not just to black audiences.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:00 AM
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7. Thank you for this! I'm sure the detractors will be here soon, but
I'm glad Obama explained himself.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:01 AM
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8. Blacks didn't start voting for Obama 9 to 1 until AFTER South Carolina. My cousins and I didn't know
...what to make of him and wanted to make sure he wasn't another Thomas and he's far removed from him.

Obama is earning the support he's getting and that's a good thing
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:59 AM
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29. So it took Obama not 'pandering to gays' to allow blacks to vote for him?
Because South Carolina is where he absolutely lost me.
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avrdream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 04:55 AM
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58. Me too. Right after he failed to disavow Donnie.
South Carolina is welcome to have him. I lived there for 16 years and it was one of the most homophobic places I have EVER lived. The two belong together.

Too bad McCain will actually win that state. Despite the Bob Jones University crap from years ago.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:04 AM
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12. What a joke!
Edited on Thu Apr-10-08 10:05 AM by indimuse
LIE!!!!
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:22 AM
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18. The subject of your post
is that a statement, or something displayed across your forehead?
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 11:15 AM
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30. wanna get personal??
?? ResetButton? LOL!
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 11:17 AM
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31. I'd answer that question
if it made any sense.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:06 AM
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13. Ah, Politico. They'll be touting McCain in the General. Subtly, of course. NT
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:08 AM
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14. You can't pander to everyone and be a good leader
I admire Obama for refusing to give in to any bullying threats from any group that wants some control.

    can't call Obama on the phone, remind him of past favors, and demand allegiance




That's how it should be. Obama's gonna be everyone's President, not just AA's or Latinos or Gays or Women.
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:17 AM
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16. This also helps explain not going to the black state of the union, or Memphis last week.
He speaks about these things to all audiences, not just black audiences. He talked about MLK's life and legacy to a mostly white audience in Indiana, instead of doing what was expected of him. Gotta respect that.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 11:42 PM
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52. It explains a lot of things about
the way his campaign conducts itself.
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:18 AM
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17. Love the article thank you.
bookmarked.
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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:31 AM
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19. K&R He's decided that all people matter... not special interests with their hands out
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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:35 AM
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20. He pisses people off because he's actually got principles
and he's willing to stick to them in the face of enormous pressure.

It's why a lot of GENUINE Republicans want to cross over to vote for him--they're the old-school ones who realize that their party has been hijacked, that the stink in the White House has festered for 8 years, and Obama's the best one to fumigate it.
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:39 AM
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22. Authenticity counts for alot when running for president.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:35 AM
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21. He isn't spending all of his time kissing ass.......
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 11:44 PM
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53. Just babies!
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:40 AM
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23. yet he panders to homophobes...rather successfully too. nt.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:42 AM
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24. Ummm, "typical white person"??? He has been pandering to SOME groups!
:rofl:
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:45 AM
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25. So now loyal Democratic constituencies are just "special interests"
that must not be "pandered to."

If this is change, well, it sounds a lot like the old right wing bullshit to me. But it's not surprising coming from a candidate who is "open to" privatizing public schools, repeats GOP talking points on Social Security, etc.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:48 AM
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26. he owes a LOT to the nuclear industry
and of course, his friend Rezko
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:57 AM
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28. Make me no promises
Tell me no lies.

That's all I ask of any candidate.
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 01:35 PM
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32. K&R
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 01:40 PM
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34. How do you "R" your own post?
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 07:30 PM
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40. bump?
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 01:56 PM
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37. Damn Him!
How dare he have core values and personal boundaries! How on earth can we have a president who stops seeing constituent groups and starts seeing the greater good! How in heaven's name will all those nice people on "K" Street ever manage to make a living. This simply won't do.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 02:12 PM
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39. Very good. It made me think of something that I read earlier today
from Time magazine:

The Story of Barack Obama's Mother

~snip~

When Obama gets donations from people who have never believed in politics before, they're responding to his ability—passed down from his mother—to make a powerful argument (that happens to be very liberal) without using a trace of ideology. On a good day, when he figures out how to move a crowd of thousands of people very different from himself, it has something to do with having had a parent who gazed at different cultures the way other people study gems.

~more @ link
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1729524-1,00.html


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It's a great article and the thread could use some love.:)

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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:33 PM
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41. Oh, those gays! Always calling in favors and getting special treatment!
Edited on Thu Apr-10-08 08:35 PM by Harvey Korman
We're such a powerful lobby--that's why we get more rights than than the rest of you suckers. Well, thank God the oppression of straight America (you know, "regular" people) is over! What a guy!

:eyes:
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:12 PM
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42. Apparently you misread the op. It wasn't just about gays. If you only had a brain...
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 11:15 PM
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47. ...I'd be charitable and donate it to fools like yourself.
Edited on Thu Apr-10-08 11:25 PM by Harvey Korman
I'm just having a laugh at the ridiculous and offensive spin in the OP. See, it's not Barack Obama's fault he neglected for so long to directly and publicly address a sizable portion of the Democratic constituency. No--it's our fault for demanding too much of his attention. See, we've been monopolizing the Democratic agenda with our special interests, but now it's heterosexual America's turn to get some attention! :rofl:

He's made fewer promises, and owes less, to labor, and to the organized civil rights communities. And he owes much less, of course -- and most important of all -- to the people who give many of those communities their clout: large donors.


Only a starry-eyed acolyte with little experience could read that sentence and not shudder. I remember hearing unions and minority groups cast as monied interests looking for handouts and special treatment from politicians at the expense of regular folks, but it was years ago when I flipped past Limbaugh or Savage or some other RW blowhard on the radio. I wonder, Dorothy--did you pack your sense of irony?
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 11:25 PM
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48. This isn't about homosexuals. Get over yourself, and learn to think objectively.
Try and look at the bigger picture, if you can manage to turn away from the mirror for a second.

I'm not going to waste my time spelling it out for you. Re-read the op and actually give it some thought instead of just reacting.


Good Night.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 11:32 PM
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49. YOUR OP is largely about gays and lesbians and how weak our grasp on the Obama campaign is
Edited on Thu Apr-10-08 11:33 PM by Harvey Korman
Can you even read, hun, or do you just see "Obama GOOD!" and then copy and paste after you climax?

Oh, and don't worry, we're perfectly aware of how not about us the Obama campaign is. The feeling is mutual on my end, believe me.
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kwenu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:31 PM
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43. Having dealt with the press I can tell you that they all have impossible egos and act like they are
special. Obama is telling the absolute truth. Odd though that a GLBT magazine spends time reporting about how Obama doesn't give interviews to GLBT press in their interview of Obama. :shrug:
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:50 PM
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45. K&R
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 11:53 PM
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55. This means only one thing - he has already got his eyes on the GE - thank god
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:00 AM
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56. Hate to mention this...
(And I'm an Obama supporter) but one group he has NO problem pandering to is Christians.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:03 AM
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57. Translation: he's an antilabor fuckhead. Fuck'm.
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