Hillary up by 13 in Puerto Rico

[Texas Hill Country]

http://www.elnuevodia.com/diario/noticia/politica/noticias/hillary_arranca_con_el_pie_derecho_en_puerto_rico/389531


It's in Spanish, so I will spare most of you and just tell you the basics...


Research & Research Poll - 4/10/08

50% Clinton
37% Obama
13% Undecided

4.4% M/E

[goldcanyonaz]

1. Looks like Richardson is really helping Obama.

:rofl:

[Texas Hill Country]

4. LOLz

[Blondbostonian]

5. You must be in denial

13 points this far away from the primary worries most Hillary supporters I know after they saw the number this morning. Most expected the gap to be more like 20-30 points. I'm betting you did too.

[goldcanyonaz]

10. My comment is in regards to Richardson. He's not loved like the Clintons are.

And, if you know anything about Latinos you must know that they take loyalty very seriously. If Obama is the nominee, Richardson would be a loser of a choice for VP.

[Texas Hill Country]

36. well, really, the thing is that I think he is of Mexican decent, which is gonna have ZERO pull in PR

[SemiCharmedQuark]

60. He's going to have as much pull as any other SD endorsement.

But no more.

[MattBaggins]

37. Stereotype much?

[goldcanyonaz]

39. Loyalty is now a stereotype? Okie dokey.

[MattBaggins]

43. It is

when you imply that it would be taken to the extreme of voting for someone without weighing or considering all the options before them.

Yes loyalty can be a flaw.

[Scoobs]

66. Flaw of course, stereotype though?

[greguganus]

40. Yeah Mexicans and Puerto Ricans are the same.

:eyes:

[catgirl]

50. Um, Richardson dropped out a while ago

Your point is silly.

[Adelante]

9. Yes, it does look that way

13 points in PR is pretty embarrassing for someone who represents NYC.

[goldcanyonaz]

12. Clinton would have to win 100% of the votes to have any validity with some around here.

[Adelante]

22. Nonsense

She's been expected all along to bring in a very large lead in Puerto Rico, in the 30s or at least the 20s. There hasn't been sufficient polling to say anything for sure, but if this one poll indicates anything, it's that it's not happening there for her as predicted.

[Texas Hill Country]

38. well, with all the Obama supporting superdelegates getting arrested for Corruption...

sound familiar?

[Adelante]

48. What? That's caused Hillary's unexpectedly poor showing in this poll?

[cali]

33. looks like you think all hispanic folks

are exactly alike. Pathetic. And Obama has closed bigger gaps than
that in less time. But hey, Hillary fans don't have much to be
happy about.

[goldcanyonaz]

35. I take it that you don't know any Latinos. If you had you would know about loyalty.

They do take it seriously, and if you find that pathetic so be it.

[MattBaggins]

44. do white people

take loyalty seriously or just Latinos?

[goldcanyonaz]

47. I'm not white, so I don't know.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

59. Bwahahaha! I am Latino.

There are huge tensions between Puerto Rican communities and Mexican communities. There is no monolith "Hispanic" community.

:hi:

[WolverineDG]

61. Loyalty to what?

What precisely have the Clintons done for Hispanics?

dg

[BigDDem]

63. typical (Hispanic) person

[DefenseLawyer]

34. Puerto Ricans/Mexicans What's the difference?

What are you suggesting exactly?

[JackORoses]

42. remember when Hilly led PA by 25? those were the days, huh?

President Obama forgives your lack of understanding.

Vice President Richardson does as well.

[goldcanyonaz]

49. Is Obambi leading in PA now?

[Lord Helmet]

51. ha ha, good point

[yellowcanine]

2. Looks like Obama is gaining. Wasn't this 2:1 about a month ago?

[Texas Hill Country]

7. nope, dont think so, polling there was pretty scant until recently.

[yellowcanine]

52. Well then Clinton supporters were doing a lot of "chicken counting before the egg hatch"

Because PR has always been automatically added to Clinton's column by her supporters.

13 points two months out is no slam dunk. She may have some real vulnerability here.

[jackson_dem]

32. No. This is the first PR poll

[not_too_L8]

3. gave up on PA already?

[Texas Hill Country]

6. nope, she will win handily there... not worried at all.

[not_too_L8]

20. not as handily as you may think

The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey shows Clinton leading Barack Obama by five percentage points in the Keystone State, 48% to 43%. That’s little changed from a week ago, but down from a ten-point lead two weeks ago, a thirteen-point lead in mid-March and a fifteen-point advantage in early March.

[fascisthunter]

8. That'll Keep the Faith

lol

[woolldog]

11. What was HRC's lead in Winsconsin

a month and a half before the primary?

[BlueIdaho]

13. Boy Oh Boy - there's a real bright spot for the Clintons... not. nt.

[Upton]

14. Good news for Obama

I've been reading how she is expected to win there by 20 points or more.

[Lucky 13]

15. OLE!

Hope you enjoy the 2 delegates you'll take away from that one! THAT will make a dent in your delegate deficit!
:rofl:

Actually, it won't matter. She will have conceded by then. And no amount of pot banging is going to change that.

[ProSense]

16. If she wins PA by 20 pts and wins the next seven contests, will she win PR by 30 pts? n/t

[4_Legs_Good]

18. THAT is the question!

[Waya]

17. So what?

....Puerto Rico is far away. She used to lead here in PA by 26 points - now she is down to between 5 and 9 points - depending which Poll ya wanna believe. Won't be any different - as Puerto Rico draws closer her lead will shrink. And even if it doesn't - let her have it, it won't change the end result. Get used to it - Obama is it!

[SeaLyons]

19. Looking Good...

Thanks Texas Hill Country.

:kick:

[Symarip]

21. Meet me in Puerto Rico

ZZZzzz...

[my3boyz]

23. Hahahahaha

Since she is so popular with Hispanics shouldn't she have like 60-70% of the vote? I would be terrified if I was Clinton and started out in what should be my strongest state with only a 13 pt lead. What will happen once Obama starts to play ads there? If he (GASP) actually visits there since it is one of the last primaries?

[babylonsister]

24. Ha! The current goal post location; good for Hill! nt

[Bigleaf]

25. That is awesome! Great news! Woohooo! She is so fucked.

That lead of hers in PR is going down, down, down. Besides, by the time we get to PR, she'll have to win it by 125%. ;-)

[Levgreee]

28. more like 5000%

[Bigleaf]

41. So True! Apparently my math is as bad, or worse, than hers.

:P

[AtomicKitten]

26. They owe the Clintons what with Bill Clinton's questionable pardon of FALN and all.

Clemency Offered to FALN Terrorists

Bill Clinton pardoned sixteen members of the FALN organization. These men belonged to a Puerto Rican freedom terrorist group, which was responsible for planting over 130 bombs in public places in the U.S. They killed six people and injured seventy. (Genovese and Almquist, 83) The FALN represented the single largest terrorism campaign in the U.S. “Yet Clinton’s clemency released individuals from prison after serving less than twenty years of terms running from fifty-five to ninety years.” (Fisher, 590) Again, President Clinton did not follow formal pardon procedures. He skipped the Department of Justice and attorneys. The FBI did not conduct any background checks and the FALN did not even execute a formal request. These facts, coupled with the Department of Justice’s 1996 denial of their clemency, make Clinton’s motives highly questionable. (Fisher, 590) The fallout was terrible for Clinton, receiving bipartisan condemnation and public fury. The Houseof Representatives later passed a resolution condemning Clinton’s pardon as an explicitly illegal action. One person, however, may have benefited from this clemency grant. Hillary Rodham Clinton, the President’s wife, won her senatorial bid for New York in the following election. She was elected senator in a state where 1.3 million Puerto Ricans would vote in the election. (Corzo, 14) Whether New York’s large Puerto Rican population voted on her behalf is not clear in the literature, but speculation leads to few legitimate justifications. Investigations were launched to find reasonable grounds for the clemency. However, “Congressional efforts to learn more about the FALN matter came to an end when Clinton invoked executive privilege to refuse subpoenas from congressional committee.” (Fisher, 593) As the critics raged, the White House maintained that the pardon power is not subject to legislative deliberation.

http://www.providence.edu/polisci/students/clinton_pardons/high_profile.html

[Dawgs]

27. Great news!!

I understoodd that she would win big, and thirteen points this far is out is not big.

[grantcart]

29. only 13 points and 2 months to go great thanks

[phrigndumass]

30. Thanks for posting this THC! Good info. (thanks for translating LOL)

I need to brush up on my espanol!

:hi:

[goldcanyonaz]

31. KICK!

[dionysus]

45. *tremble*

:eyes:

[scheming daemons]

46. Hillary won't even still be in the race when PR comes around.... moot point....

...

[kennetha]

54. In your dreams!

Hillary is going to win 7 or 8 of the remaining 10 primaries. Obama will stumbling and reeling by the time the Convention comes around.

He's toast!

[scheming daemons]

62. She'll win racist KY and WV.... and a squeaker in PA..... and that's it....

She'll get trounced in NC and OR.

She'll lose in IN.


THe best Hillary can hope for is a split of the remaining contests.... and that won't cut it.



After she loses NC and IN on May 6th.... she'll pack it in.

[kennetha]

64. She'll win

Penn, Indiana, WV, Puerto RIco, Kentucky for sure.

She'll eke out a narrow win in Oregon and North Carolina.

The last two will be the death of OBama's campaign.

[scheming daemons]

65. LOL.... North Carolina? Are you stoned?

Now at least I know there is no point in discussing things with you further. You're too delusional to have a coherent conversation with....

[Pawel K]

53. So now that Obama might win PA you guys are moving to Puerto Rico?

When will this stop. First it was super tuesday. You guys lost that. Then it was PA. If you lose PA it will be Puerto Rico? What will be next after that?

[kennetha]

55. RIght! Obama wins Pennsylvania by negative 15 points

And War is Peace

Knowledge is Ignorance

Freedom is Slavery

[Pawel K]

58. You want to put a wager on that?

Let's make it interesting.

[sudopod]

56. LOL

LOL

[NightWatcher]

57. where will you move the goalposts to next? that's the last primary