Operative: Hillary Aims to KneeCap Obama Before PA Primary

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

She's b-a-a-a-a-ck! Just when you thought it was safe...."Tonya"Clinton is putting her skates back on, some time before primary day in Pennsylvania.

So says a Clinton operative "overheard" by National Review reporter Jim Geraghty. I don't know the creditability of the NR.(Lots of references to Taylor Marsh, etc - its as if the Clinton surrogates and the right wing are BFFs.
Still, this bears watching.

The Clinton campaign is circling the drain. Only by mortally wounding Obama would Clinton have any hope of getting the nomination in her lifetime. As others have warned, she would have to break Obama's back now, ruining him as a politician forever, to even hope for last ditch run in 2012.

If a Bombshell Will Drop in Pennsylvania, It Will Drop a Week From Now

Jim Geraghty. Thursday, April 10, 2008. The National Review

A smart political operative said within earshot of me yesterday that if Hillary has more metaphorical bombshells to drop on Obama — and this operative has heard secondhand that she does — she'll do so between April 16, the date of her next debate with Obama, and April 22, Pennsylvania's primary day. The timing, of course, is so she doesn't get asked about it by the moderator or confronted by Obama.

Hillary's numbers have actually been inching up a bit in the Keystone state lately. At the beginning of the month, Public Policy Polling shocked the world by suggesting Obama was ahead by two points. Their latest poll puts Hillary up by 3. In the Insider Advantage poll, Hillary's lead has increased from three percent to ten percent. In SurveyUSA, she's gone from leading by 12 to leading by 18. Some other polls show no change or a slight loss of ground.

Don't put anything past the Clinton campaign, look at her track record so far.

[AtomicKitten]

1. No stone left unturned, no poo left unhurled.

And when she's emptied her arsenal into Obama's back I hope she finally accepts her defeat and slinks back to the Senate.

[niceypoo]

184. No gossip unbelieved...

'a Clinton operative "overheard" by National Review reporter Jim Geraghty'

Real deep, solid reporting there....

"A smear campaign is an intentional, premeditated effort to undermine an individual's or group's reputation, credibility, and character. "Mud slinging", like negative campaigning, most often targets government officials, politicians, political candidates, and other public figures. However, private persons or groups may also become targets of smear campaigns perpetrated in schools, companies, institutions, families, and other social groups.

Smear tactics differ from normal discourse or debate in that they do not bear upon the issues or arguments in question. A smear is a simple attempt to malign a group or an individual and to attempt to undermine their credibility.

Smears often consist of ad hominem attacks in the form of unverifiable rumors and are often distortions, half-truths, or even outright lies; smear campaigns are often propagated by gossip spreading. Even when the facts behind a smear are shown to lack proper foundation, the tactic is often effective because the target's reputation is tarnished before the truth is known."

[splat]

2. If he's hidden a 'bombshell,' that's his bad, not hers; or would you rather McCain reveal it?

Are you a religious follower or do you want Dems to win in November? Don't blame the messenger.

[Exilednight]

6. You're working on to many presumptives........

a. McCain's campaign would have to find 'the dirt'.

b. McCain would have to decide whether or not to use it.

c. This can also be used against Hillary if she were to win. Almost everyone hates a sore loser, but the one thing people hate even more is a sore winner.

[Texas Hill Country]

11. you can google plenty of dirt on this guy

it just takes some dot connecting.

[dchill]

19. Well then, connect the goddamn dots...

and get it out there! Go for it! Yaaaaaayyyy! Sour grapes.

[Texas Hill Country]

22. i already have... that is why i am not supporting him.

[polkajello]

83. I hear...

... his kids are black!

omg

[PoliticalAmazon]

89. THE HORROR!!! n/t

[PBS Poll-435]

104. Careful....

Randi Rhodes got suspended for that kind of talk...

[PetraPooh]

113. If the dots are valid, why wait till after the debate to expose them?

If they are substantial enough for her to be questioned about them in a debate, then they must be made up, exaggerated, or otherwise swiftboat material.

[JackORoses]

164. please, enlighten us, oh Texas HillBilly

[EnviroBat]

166. Please keep me up to speed as Tex ass Hillbilly made my ignore

list, along with many other desperate, delusional whack jobs.

[peacebird]

7. if it's TRUE & a "bombshell" it would be Obama's bad, but it could as easily be nothing but a pack

of pure unadulterated LIES....

I have to admit - I would not put that past Clinton, what with how she's been channelling Rove....

[babylonsister]

9. If he had a bombshell hidden, don't you think the desperate

Clinton camp would have unearthed it by now? Why would Lanny Davis be digging up the old smears? I don't think they've been able to find any new ones myself.

And if there is one, let's hear it. Shit or get off the pot, as they say.

[Texas Hill Country]

10. THANK YOU. They pretend like this stuff wont exist in the GE... I cant even imagine what would...

happen to Obama if Rezko, Wright, and all that stuff dropped all at once in November

[Cali_Democrat]

20. Didn't that stuff already drop?

[Texas Hill Country]

24. yes, that is my point... Dont complain about Clinton bringing this stuff up... if he's the nominee

she is actually probably saving his butt by bringing it all out now.

[Changenow]

50. The same source promoting the Obama story

also claims smut on Hillary.

http://bigheaddc.com/2007/09/11/hillary-lesbian-rumor-given-weight-by-doj-official/

If Obama used that it wouldn't be fair, but all bullshit from any lunatic is fair game against him because the lie might be repeated in the general?

[PoliticalAmazon]

86. Could not be any worse than any one week's campaign revelations re: Hillary. n/t

[dchill]

147. Ooooh! I heard about Rezko, Wright,...

but what's "all that stuff?" Ooooh! :crazy:

Wanna have some REAL fun? Just Google "campaign finance scandal" - ya know, just generically speaking, and see what name pops up!!!

Or, Google "Hillary Truth" - hint: not a lot about any truths told by Hillary.

"All that stuff," indeed. Have fun!

[pompano]

155. Probably not much....

It didn't fly too high first go around.

People are voting for jobs, healthcare, and an end to a war she helped start. Jobs, and end to the war, and healthcare hope and not jobs and healthcare stump hype.

Feel free to count the delegates if in doubt?

[Boz]

15. Shes hidden a bombshell but it got no legs......you can bet she ll push it again.

They built in a flaw to Obama in operation saftey net, but it didnt work.

[Changenow]

31. IF it is truthful

"it" should be vetted. I actually have no problem with shit that will be used in the general coming out now.

My money says it's a video of Obama at church while Wright says something inflammatory. Which would be good, since it would mean that with all the money and hate in the world they can't find real dirt on Obama.

[cali]

36. Unless of course, hillary dearest lies

something we all know she doesn't hesitate to do.

[FlyingSquirrel]

58. Hey whatcha gonna do for your 33333rd post?

;)

[sniffa]

136. Again, I don't know why people continue to feed Ignored

:shrug:

And shit, I can't believe how low your post count is. I'm almost at 30K. :woohoo:

[krawhitham]

140. McCain reveal a lot of bombshells on her, but Obama does play like that

But once a rethug always a rethug, here comes another kitchen sink by the monster

[4themind]

3. Incoming!

Pretty much when Obama, shifted his focus to McCain, a week before the TX/oh/vt/ri primaries, the kitchen sink was deployed. It was a new thing every single day, obama had better be prepared for it again.

[AlinPA]

4. She will try to destroy him so he won't have a chance in Nov. or 2012.

[Texas Hill Country]

49. well, if he doesnt make it this time, he will be a career Senator. This is a gimme election...

even IF hillary "knee caps him", there is still NO REASON he should loose if he is the nominee. If he does, there is something fundamentally wrong with him as a candidate.


Same with Hillary if she is the nominee.

[City Lights]

59. If she destroys him, she won't have a chance in Nov. or 2012 either.

If she can't win on her own positives, she ain't worth much, IMHO.

[BlooInBloo]

5. It's funny when DUers link to National Review.

[walldude]

12. Did you see the "brutha" thread?

Some new faux outrage taken from the editorial pages of the NR. Posted as fact on DU by a Hillary supporter. Hilarious.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

45. its funny when Natl Review links to Taylor Marsh and other Hillary supporters blogs

its as if they are working together. I am not supporting the National Review,
I am alerting Obama supporters.

I am an Obama supporter.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

46. Its also funny when Hillary and McCain's advisors work for same firm

isn't that just Hillaryious?

[Bensthename]

8. He should drop one on her 3 days before PA. It is his turn to through a sink.

[Changenow]

33. He should have a Penn NAFTA commercial in waiting.

And a bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran commercial with Bill and Hill complementing McCain's superiority.

[Bensthename]

88. Haha, those would work nicely.

[TTUBatfan2008]

13. Larry Sinclair...

guarantee the Clinton campaign will start pushing that story.

[Changenow]

34. The lies of a pathetic toothless drunk

who has no collaboration?

You're right, she'll jump at the chance to use it.

[PBS Poll-435]

72. ---

First they came after the toothless drunks, and I said nothing...


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[woolldog]

98. lol

:rofl:

[PBS Poll-435]

101. ...

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[DerekJ]

14. National Review?!!

[dchill]

16. It strains credulity to assume that there is anything...

that would "kneecap" or "destroy" or "mortally wound" Obama that we have not been over at this point. Anything she "hurls" at him will be obvious confabulation by a known confabulator, and will only be believed by the "true believers" who are already not going to vote for him. It's just more sniper fire. She was already running out of gas when she came up with the NAFTA role-reversal lie.

[Cleita]

17. If either candidate stoops to those kind of tactics, you

can be sure that we will be inaugurating President McCain next January and decent Americans will never forgive them like they never have forgiven Ralph Nader. Ralph Nader will actually get more forgiveness than that candidate.

[2rth2pwr]

35. What kind of tactics?

Timing?

[Cleita]

61. Did you read the OP?

[2rth2pwr]

91. I did. If there is something the voters should know about Obama that they don't know now

I think they should learn about it.

[catgirl]

90. Hillary has already stooped

you forgot to mention that.

[Cleita]

145. I didn't forget but I was trying to make nice.n/t

[polichick]

18. It'll backfire, just like all her other nasty bullshit.

[GarbagemanLB]

21. If he can survive Wright, he can survive any bullshit.

[TTUBatfan2008]

25. The Sinclair thing is even worse...

there's absolutely no way of proving Sinclair's claims one way or another without the supposed limo driver coming forward. And since there is no way to outright absolve Obama (he did not keep records back in 1999 of his day to day activities), many people will simply believe what Sinclair says. Plenty of Hillary supporters believe it and of course plenty of right wingers believe it, but of course their belief is driven by politics more than anything else.

[GarbagemanLB]

27. Uh...no one believes him.

[TTUBatfan2008]

29. That doesn't mean the Clinton or McCain campaigns...

can't get Fox News to run this story all damn day long in order to smear Obama. Nobody believed the Swiftboaters either but the MSM gave them plenty of airtime and people that WANTED to hate Kerry had an excuse to because of that.

[Skwmom]

32. He FAILED the lie detector tests.

[TTUBatfan2008]

37. I know he failed them, but the computer analysis said no deception...

and Whitehouse.com basically tried to avoid paying him when they had promised they would pay him. He now has a lawyer, Whitehouse.com has paid him for the check they tried to cancel, and he's currently trying to take this issue about Obama to court.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

99. *plonk*

[catgirl]

96. That was debunked

The guy was a Ron Paul supporter from TEXAS (not Minnesota as he claimed). The address
he gave as his home was some kind of physical rehabilitation home.

The fact that you're even bringing this up is highly suspect.

[catgirl]

105. I see you're from Texas

Perhaps you ARE familiar with all the details of the debunked
liar, Ron Paul supporter, Sinclair who reigns from Texas, not
Minnesota. Perhaps you even know him?

[Hawkeye-X]

123. Sinclair failed the polygraph twice.

He's been debunked already. Deceptive twice.

[Dr Fate]

23. She and her surrogates are stumpting for McCain at this point- that is clear.

Whether they all realize it or not (And I think most do) doesnt really matter.

[azmouse]

26. Hillary doesn't care if she destroys the Dem party.

For her it's win at any cost, even a coup attempt.

Someone needs to pull the plug on her kitchen sink.

[MonkeyFunk]

40. Why is it when your side tries to kneecap Clinton

it's right and honorable and decent, but any attempts to uncover anything about Obama is low-down, underhanded and destroying the party?

[Dr Fate]

48. Anyone in Clinton's position would have dropped out by now- for the good of the party.

Including Obama- he would have every DEM with gravitias calling for him to step down by now if the shoe was on the other foot.

I think the concern in this thread is in the context of the stage of the game in relation to how close the GE is getting.

Hope that helps explain it.

[MonkeyFunk]

116. sorry, it really doesn't

Clinton is no more destroying the party by running than Obama is.

[Dr Fate]

142. So you think Obama would still be running if he had Hillary's numbers?

I dont see it- I think every DEM w/ power would have talked him into conceding by now.

[JackORoses]

165. I know you are not that stupid

Hillary can't win. Everyone knows this.

Her only purpose now is to stop Obama from being elected.

She is a low-down, dirty egotist.
She will never be President.
She has realized this and it really pisses her off.

[nolabels]

191. Kind of seems like she is taking a page out of Joe Lieberman's book

Those days when the US Senate was kind of divided pretty even and he was able to transform himself into the a proverbial large puss filled canker sore of the body politic.
Done for nothing more than attention and spite. The circumstances seem eerily similar :shrug:

[splat]

120. Dropping out is new -- most candidates used to go to the convention, the party survived

[Dr Fate]

144. Could be- but we both know Obama would have dropped out by now if he was this far behind.

Everyone in the party w/ gravitas would be demanding it, and he would oblige.

We can pretend otherwise, but you know I'm right.

[Dr Fate]

148. Except the Republicans went all the way to the convention as well.

In this instance, the Republicans are already unified.

[FlyingSquirrel]

63. Why is it you just say the same things over and over?

:shrug:

[stevenleser]

124. All I see is Ignored! That person is probably begging to be *plonked*

judging from your reaction

[azmouse]

68. I'm to the point where I don't give an at's rass what HRC does...

other than get the hell out of the race before she completely destroys the Dem's chance in Nov.

It's not that she can't win the nomination, it's that she's already lost.

And before you screech 'show me the link', I'd just say DO THE MATH.

[PoliticalAmazon]

94. Has Obama ever kitchen-sinked Hillary? EVER? No. So STFU. n/t

[MonkeyFunk]

103. No

he just has his minions call her a racist.

[emilyg]

108. Good question.

[shellgame26]

141. Obama never kneecapped Clinton

but Clinton has kneecapped herself, numerous times. Put the blame where the blame lies.

[MonkeyFunk]

149. To be truthful

nobody's kneecapped anybody. You guys cry over every little thing as if it's the worst thing ever in the history of politics.

It's nonsense. This has been, historically, a pretty tame campaign.

You blame Clinton for absolutely EVERY unflattering thing said about Obama, and you excuse him for all the hits on Clinton. It's a very one-sided view of things.

[dchill]

150. Clinton has always been able to kneecap herself...

without any help whatsoever. You're aware of that, I'm sure, so I'll just move on now.

[rodeodance]

42. Obama doesn't care if he destroys the Dem party.

[Changenow]

52. Does that mean he is going to run attack ads against

her? Maybe he'll spread outright lies too.

[catgirl]

107. He doesn't need to

Billary does a fine job sinking themselves.

[Dr Fate]

54. Every DEM with gravitas would be calling for him to step down weeks ago if it was reversed

And he would have done it- he has no intention of destroying his brand name or the good will of the grass roots and the rest of the party- and would have plenty of other chances- but it diodnt turn out that way- he is winning.

In Hillary's defense, she does realize this is her last chance- so I can see why she would put her self before the party...

I think we can agree that most pols look after #1.

[aaroh]

28. Attack Hillary on NAFTA, CAFTA, IRAQ WAR which all leads to damaging the Pa economy

[Rosa Luxemburg]

60. It's it's her fault

[rodeodance]

30. It was Obama who first used Tanya Harding in his campaign

[blm]

44. Baloney - Calling Clinton 'Tonya Harding' started HERE at DU back in fall of 2006.

And I am proud to say it.

[DemGa]

57. Yes, he did -- it always runs downhill ---- NT

[PoliticalAmazon]

95. Don't even try to imply that Obama campaign is like HRC campaign...

...where they dream up the most bonehead ideas, send their marching orders to their supporters, and then we all have to watch them crash and burn.

Hows that pots-and-pans thing going?

[DemGa]

106. I wouldn't consider comparing Obama to Hillary

The Obama campaign is as lowdown as they come -- they certainly practice character assassination, as this campaign memo proves unequivocally. And as I said, it runs downhill.

"Obama Camp Memo on Clinton “Misleading” Voters"

http://thepage.time.com/obama-camp-memo-on-clinton-misleading-voters/

[stevenleser]

127. *plonk*

[zulchzulu]

38. I know what the "issue" will be...

I'm not saying what it is, but if you watch Hannity (if you can), there are two pretty stupid "issues" that she will pull out with as a last ditch attempt to hit on Obama.

It will fizzle.

[TTUBatfan2008]

Ayers?

[zulchzulu]

53. Hmmm...

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_weatherman_connection.html

I think so. I'm going to do something about how it would be a bad move. I would imagine the Obama team has some immediate responses ready to launch if she takes the bait. The answer is at the end of the link's text.

[GarbagemanLB]

62. If any Hillary supporter thinks Ayers is good for Hillary, read this paragraph:

But the Obama-Ayers link is a tenuous one. As Newsday pointed out, Clinton has her own, also tenuous, Weatherman connection. Her husband commuted the sentences of a couple of convicted Weather Underground members, Susan Rosenberg and Linda Sue Evans, shortly before leaving office in January 2001. Which is worse: pardoning a convicted terrorist or accepting a campaign contribution from a former Weatherman who was never convicted?

[TTUBatfan2008]

64. Yeah the Clintons have ties to left-wing...

terrorist groups. It's kinda like Rezko and Wright. Clinton criticizes, and then pictures come out of the Clintons together with Rezko and Bill with Wright.

[mmonk]

132. That was what I was going to say.

(Ayers)

[BootinUp]

39. If I had a millionth of a penny for every internet rumor... nt

[NorthCarolina]

71. Well enjoy that internet while you still can because

if McCain wins, the puppetmasters who will be working his strings will make sure that freedom of the internet is reigned in....for the good of the public of course.

[FrenchieCat]

41. The whole point of this entire post is to smear by insinuation of a coming smear.....

Fuck that! I'm not falling for the hoodwinking, and I suggest that Obama supporters don't fall for this bullshit.

Hillary operatives are attempting to frighten you with the unknown......cause that's how they operate. There ain't nothing there, but as long as they can have enough people believe that there is, they win the day.

So stop falling for it. It is Hillary that has the unvetted garbage, and it will be vetted maybe later than sooner.

[Tom Rinaldo]

66. Interesting

Bottom line we agree but I was about to post that this is just giving folks an opportunity to trash Clinton now over something bad she supposedly will do later that hasn't happened yet, all based on a rumour.

No matter how you slice it, no matter how you look at it, this should just be dropped now.

[dchill]

156. I agree with you, to a point, but it's also "an opportunity"...

for certain people to smear Obama. As you say, "this should just be dropped now."

[GarbagemanLB]

43. Remember when 'insiders' were telling us Edwards would be endorsing Hillary? I love rumors!

[rodeodance]

47. "nd this operative has heard secondhand"--and the OP puts a vile smear on this HEARSAY AND

the little Obama fan sheepies come on an dump their hate!!

[rodeodance]

51. I see the OP is following his leader who used the Tanya meme in his campaign!!

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

134. Kitchen sink strategy? Mark "Blackwater" Penn? Stiffing schools and girl scouts?

Hillary introduced and announced the Kitchen Sink strategy.

Her campaign doesn't pay the small people creditors.

She is against Nafta but lobbied for it, she says it was Bill.

She is against the open trade with Columbia, but her advisor and also her husband are for it.
Her husband profits from working with Columbia.

Her campaign says Penn is gone, but he isn't, he has a new/different title, he's still
there advising her.

She told the media that she was against the war before Obama, but she wasn't.
Her husband Bill was FOR the war.

She is running quite a different campaign from Obama.

[Tellurian]

55. If Obama had been vetted, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now, now would we!

Let the chips fall where they may. Obama makes Nixon look like a hero!

[AllentownJake]

65. Shouldn't you

Be shining your pot for tommorow..

[GarbagemanLB]

69. Oh my god.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[AllentownJake]

76. Seriously

If I had pot and pan fun day tommorow I would be busy preparing. There monumental protest is going to bring down NBC and the DNC in one fail swoop.

I hate TO but I love his quote

"Get your popcorn ready"

[Tellurian]

81. This coming from the pod people..

:rofl:

[PBS Poll-435]

85. More like...

"Children of the Corn"

[AllentownJake]

87. Right

Because I'm in the street with my pan like some sort of pissed off Parisian peasant banging at the doors of NBC demanding the head of Chris Matthews the almighty.

[Tellurian]

146. Um...yeah..

[Starbucks Anarchist]

153. How smart is someone who blows $140 million on Super Tuesday and loses?

[redstate_democrat]

121. ..

:popcorn:

[madrchsod]

74. i thought that was today.....

i wonder if they will cover the protest on nbc tomorrow morning...i`d love to see all 15? people banging pans....

[AllentownJake]

128. Sadly

That is the way it will probably turn out...however I'm hoping the get 1000 so the pot banging makes the news in PA....nothing will get the white male vote out faster than angry people in the streets banging pans.

[TTUBatfan2008]

67. Oh there's plenty of crap on the Clintons...

that Obama won't touch. He refuses to go there, but the Republicans will go there. She's nowhere near 100% vetted. Not a chance in hell.

[Tellurian]

75. Obama has no bottom... he will say or to anything to get elected..

you should have figured that out by now.

[madrchsod]

82. it`s called politics

"i can smell the meat a cook`n"

[AllentownJake]

131. You still here

Aren't you going to be embarrased when your pot is not as shiny as the rest...better stand in the back of the group for the video coverage.

[Kittycat]

79. You're so pathetic, it's not even funny any more. I sincerely hope your dr up's your meds.

[catgirl]

111. Your comparison is pathetic.

[dchill]

152. Be careful! When you try to belittle someone's...

pathetic comparison, you may be belittling the only thing they have! That would be devastating! ;)

[NorthCarolina]

56. If she drops some "Bomb" AFTER the debate then you can be assured it's BS

If there was something that was so destructive to his campaign she would put it out there UNLESS it was something she made up or took totally out of context.

Offering it up AFTER the debate, where he will have no opportunity to address it on a National scale, is not only disingenuous, it would mean it is intended simply as media fodder for a day or so before it is proved to be false, yet released close enough to the PA primary to have an effect with the lesser minds amongst us that buy into that kind of thing where "proof" is not an issue.

Kind of like the Do You Think Obama is a muslim? "Not that I'm aware of" comment.

I gotta say, I really hate this kind of politics. For my money I wish they both were simply out there talking about whats wrong in America and what they will do to make things better, and directing their attacks at McCain instead of each other.

[madrchsod]

70. it`s the national reveiw...yuck

[LaurenG]

73. If Obama has been paying attention he already knows what it is,

if this is true. Whatever happens will happen. It makes me miss Kucinich and Edwards and Biden and Richardson and...

[madrchsod]

80. i miss dennis too

the problem is dennis is to nice and to intelligent to get down and dirty to win the presidency. i think his principals would never allow him to do so.

if either candidate used half of what dennis proposed we`d all be better off..sigh...

[catgirl]

112. Oh paleeeze.

Let's all jump to the conclusion that there's some REALLY HORRIBLE DIRT
on Obama and let's spin it now!

"if this is true..." If WHAT is true? Get a grip.

[LaurenG]

159. Are you one of the mean people they are always talking about around here?

I think just judging by your sarcastic angry tone you might be. :shrug:

[catgirl]

160. It's so mean, calling someone out

for a stupid comment that basically flames a rumor. And I wasn't being sarcastic at all.

[LaurenG]

162. OK then.

Thanks for explaining that you think my comments are stupid. Fortunately for me this is just a message board and even though I believe we are for the same candidate I understand from your comments why the other side thinks we are all jerks... :)

[catgirl]

167. Excuse me? You attacked me for calling out someone for flaming

You asked if I was one of the "mean ones" for simply responding to
an exaggeration. Yes, you asking me this was silly and petty. Perhaps
the person I posed the question for could have answered herself/himself.
Instead you dive bomb me.

[LaurenG]

170. Calm down

I think you were mad at me because I said "if this is true". It can happen even if that one story wasn't true. Many things can be said to swiftboat anyone. I should have been more clear but it made me sad to think that one of the two candidates can count on getting the hell kicked out of them this summer by McCain.

[catgirl]

168. And I don't need to be censured by you

and you're the first person here who has called me a jerk... :-)

Intuitive healing, huh?

[LaurenG]

171. Did you write this to me?

Oh paleeeze.

Let's all jump to the conclusion that there's some REALLY HORRIBLE DIRT
on Obama and let's spin it now!

"if this is true..." If WHAT is true? Get a grip."

Oh and I didn't say you I said we. Se below or the original post.

"OK then.
Thanks for explaining that you think my comments are stupid. Fortunately for me this is just a message board and even though I believe we are for the same candidate I understand from your comments why the other side thinks we are all jerks.

[catgirl]

173. Let's go to your original post

the one that inspired my comments. The one where you basically, in a fairweather friend
way, throw Obama under the bus.

Here's what you said:

If Obama has been paying attention he already knows what it is,

if this is true. Whatever happens will happen. It makes me miss Kucinich and Edwards and Biden and Richardson and...



You're clearly assuming Obama has done something horrible and it makes you miss the other candidates. That
inspired my question to you and my "get a grip" comment. Instead of addressing your post, you chose to insult
me. Whatever. I'm done with this petty "argument". I generally try to avoid the O vs. C supporters threads for
this very reason. Whether you meant to flame, or not, you did just that.

[LaurenG]

175. No I'm not. Don't read so much into it

However, the possibility does exist that he can have terrible things said about him. Do you remember what happened to Kerry? It doesn't have to be true for them to hurt the candidates.

I really don't want to fight with you though so all I can say is I believe this was a misunderstanding and leave it at that.

Peace

[catgirl]

176. I agree to both of those things

I was going to contact you privately, but what the heck, everyone can
read all these posts anyway. Let me just say this- I didn't even realize
it was you at first (your 1st post to me), because I was so quick to respond.
Had I noticed in the first place, I would have perhaps been a little more
gentle. It took a couple exchanges for me to realize this (that's why I thought
you were blindsiding me). Sorry about that.

I agree that the possibility that Clinton, or someone else, will try to
swiftboat Obama, and I feel anxious about it. And some of these
lies... can take a while to debunk, so it's a cause for concern.

I do think this was a misunderstanding and we were both interpreting
things in a cloudy way.

And peace to you.

[LaurenG]

178. It's OK, no problem here

:hug:

[JBoy]

77. Did someone say kneecap???

[stevedeshazer]

78. You've been here since 2004 and you 'don't know the creditability (sic) of the NR?'

:rofl:

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

133. you're right. the fact that the National Review links to Taylor Marsh should be a hint

but on the odd chance that the "reporter" actually did overhear
a Clinton operative, perhaps the NR and Clinton folks hang out together,
its possible.

I wouldn't have been concerned, but there is a bi partisan list
serve that I am on where this crap was posted. The moderator of that
list, although GOP, usually doesn't post garbage.

I took it as a warning.

Maybe Hillary isn't planning to try to knee cap Obama, or "break his back" as
some have warned.

Maybe Hillary is finished throwing her "kitchen sink", but we have seen
what she does, what her creditability now is, how she runs her campaign.

I would NEVER have believed that Hillary Clinton, the Hillary of personal fortune of over $109 Million, would stiff a bunch of girl scouts!

I NEVER would have believed that she would hire an advisor from the same firm that
works for John McCain!

So, a warning or threat, just like Operation Chaos at Rush Limbaugh's deserves to be
evaluated.

The NR may be a rag, but there may be some truth to what their "reporter" is saying.

[PoliticalAmazon]

84. I hope Obama runs Colombia ads right before the election....

...We have to end this misery ASAP.

[boston bean]

92. WATCH THIS VIDEO!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atwOaObv4ZA

[GarbagemanLB]

97. Wow...you make fun of Nancy Kerrigan in that video? Pretty sick...

[boston bean]

100. you can't take a little satire? nt

[smiley_glad_hands]

93. Duh, if you didn't expect her to go Tonya Harding you are naive.

She still thinks she can win.

[slinkerwink]

102. I expect a TV ad about Reverend Wright to be run by the Clinton campaign

or some new statement of Wright to be twisted out of context in its entirety. It's got to be a race-based attack because they don't have anything else left to keep the undecideds from breaking towards Obama.

[RamboLiberal]

109. Link to Farrakhan maybe??????

Earlier today I posted a piece from today's Los Angeles Times which trashes Barack Obama for being perceived as empathetic to Palestinians.

It's a ridiculous piece. Writer Peter Wallsten, seems to be suggesting that Obama may have problems with Jews because some Arabs like him.

But thanks to TPM Cafe reader Lally and the great NATION reporter, Ari Berman, we now have the rest of the story. Turns out that Wallsten was trolling for anti-Obama dirt and turned to the far right Kahanist blogger Debbie Schlussel to give it to him. She obliged but because he didn't credit her, she blows the whistle on him.

Schlussel also also reveals that Wallsten, the LA Times reporter on the Obama beat, is desperately trying to find links between Obama and Farrakhan. (I guess that is the "scandal" the Clinton folks are counting on to end Obama's candidacy, the one they keep hinting about.)

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/

[krkaufman]

110. *IF* -- you've posted speculation as fact

I may agree with the speculation, but there's no evidence that the Great Knee-capping is assured.

[slinkerwink]

114. the pattern has been established, and it's only natural to expect a negative attack before PA

[krkaufman]

182. Oh, I'm right there with ya on that.

I definitely expect an escalation of negativity from Clinton (including a lot of desperate mentions of Rev Wright), but the overheard comment was just speculation... no different than our current back-and-forth.

[Name removed]

115. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[MonkeyFunk]

117. grow the fuck up

[BootinUp]

119. I've done better than to kill you, I've hurt you

and I want to keep on hurting you.

[splat]

118. Dems need everything out now; misplaced loyalty will let the pugs air it, and we'll lose

We need to go against the Repugs knowing as much as they do. If anything is held back out of loyalty now, it will come out at the hands of our opponents in the fall and end all hope of restoring a progressive agenda.

This is not a sports contest, it's a bareknuckle brawl for the shape of the future.

[loveangelc]

122. Hillary Clinton has serious character issues imo, which have been illuminated this campaign.

[splat]

125. All humans have character issues when their entire lives are examined

[loveangelc]

129. She is almost making me dislike her as much as I dislike Bush.

She is such a typical politician who wants to do anything to win, no matter what it means for her opponent. If that rumor is true, I won't even be able to respect her even after she endorses Obama. She lies through her teeth about being under sniper fire and thinks nothing of it, laughs off any legitimate criticism of her own lies, plays the strong leader, then blames the media and misogyny on why she is losing...I can see where Samantha Powers was coming from.

[splat]

135. If Obama is withholding something that makes him unelectable, you need to know that

This is not about Hillary. Maybe the New York Times will report it. Are you suggesting we keep any secrets he might have because you think that's being loyal to him?

It's America's future we have to be loyal to. If it turns out there's something he hoped would never come out, I'd rather he lose to Hillary because of it than lose the country to eight more years in November.

I'm not in love with any of our candidates.

[2rth2pwr]

126. Why is this being treated as something nefarious? Timing is part of every

campaign strategy. If you are assuming that whatever is going to drop is something made up, then yeah.

On the other hand it will be effective if it's true.

[stevenleser]

130. Yes, Clinton is going to release the following information

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_steven_l_080314_hillary_presses_obam.htm

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

137. its always the haircuts - thats what destroyed Edwards!

thank you for posting that link, and for what is at the link.

good point.

Remember the debates when we didn't know which Hillary we would be seeing?

While this has been an interesting primary, I have become very disillusioned with
the Clintons, who I defended during the years when the "vast right wing conspiracy",
of Richard Mellon Scaife fame was houding Hillary and Bill.

[mmonk]

139. Ha!

Good work.

[Cha]

138. The ol' tonya harding ploy, eh?

If one could possibly trust second, third hand nooze? hilary wouldn't dare.

There's so much shit goin' on in hilary's loser of a campaign..I have to hand it to team Obama for their RAPID RESPONSE CREW!

[VotesForWomen]

143. yawn. Obama's the Messiah, Hillary is Satan; we got the memo already. nt

[kwenu]

151. I doubt she has enough money to buy a lead pipe. She's trying to return half the kitchen sinks

she bought as it is.

[BenDavid]

154. well good...no one is more deserving then this bigot and racist

dressed up in a suit and passing himself off as a uniter.....hell, we had this election won till obama decided he wanted to "unite us" and boy he sure as hell did with playing the race card and blaming hrc and giving some speech on race knowing damn well he does not live up to his own words in the speech, because if he had then jesse jackson jr's ass would have been fired when he played the race card against hillary. oh hell yes obigot can give one hell of a speech but the problem is tis only bullshit.

[Arugula Latte]

163. Bullshit. We did not have this election won with Hillary as the presumed candidate

SHE is the poisonous one who would have ruined our chances in November.

[haymakeragain]

172. Still pathetic I see.

Damn. I cannot help but wonder what motivates you to spout such obvious bullshit. any help?

[cottonseed]

183. If your going to copy and past your comments.

At least have it have something to do with the OP.

[Beacool]

157. So, you post this crap based on a rumor?????????????

Nice knowing how we treat fellow Democrats.

This board has become beyond disgusting!!!!!!!!!


:puke:

[Andrew99]

158. Obama supporters once again relying on anonymous sources

It's become routine.

[npincus]

161. "I'll get you my pretty..."

[anonymous171]

169. Tonya Balboa is back in the ring.

[anamandujano]

174. True to form, the Obama campaign knows something is coming out

soon, so they leak this information that Hillary is about to do the dirty. Then the big story will be Hillary's tactics, not another in the long line of Obama life fukups come to light.

He does have a bit of the furrowed brow going on lately. All the chickens are coming home to roost, BUT IT'S HILLARY'S FAULT, AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bensthename]

177. Bill seems to be doing Obama;s dirty work just fine.

[Danger Mouse]

179. National Review = Right wing spew.

No thanks.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

180. Update: Senator Obama's Response to Latest Manufactured Outrage

And today we got to see what Hillary/McCain would try

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5462241&mesg_id=5462241

[TexasObserver]

181. Hillary = Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction

"I won't be ignored!!"

She's a psycho.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

185. UPDATE: Hillary using Republican Talking Points against Obama

Hillary used GOP talking points against Obama today....verified by ...about Hillary. She knows exactly what he meant but chose to poison the well yet again and if it meant using GOP talking points, oh well. ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5463559


Don't forget the Kitchen Sink strategy that Hillary borrowed from the Rove playbook:

Clinton Campaign Starts 5-Point Attack on Obama - New York TimesClinton Campaign Starts 5-Point Attack on Obama. Doug Mills/The New York Times. Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton with Gen. Wesley K. Clark, right, ...
www.nytimes.com/2008/02/26/us/politics/26clinton.html?ex=1361682000&en=b82ee315ff215d65&ei=5088...

but after all, her advisor works for the same firm that McInsane's advisor works for.

Incestual relationship there.

[Why Syzygy]

186. If she breaks him,

I swear to dog, you better start stock-piling food, purchase fire arms and get ready for martial law.
HilLIARy is the enemy.

I know some people are calling for us to handle her gently. I will not.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

187. Evening Update: PA "bitter" robocalls have started

PA "bitter" robocalls have started
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5473818&mesg_id=5473818

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

188. Uh huh: "If a bombshell will drop, it will drop a week from now"

Bitter anyone?

[Stephanie]

189. What this episode has proved is that she ain't got shit.

So "bitter" was the worst she could dig up? She's so done.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

192. Aint it grand? and Obama did great in the "Compassion Forum"

still, it looks like this was the great big "bombshell".

They had it under their hat for about a week so that they could print up
those stupid stickers to hand out in NC and other states.

Went over like a lead balloon.

Hillary - fool us once but ya can't fool us again.

[Stephanie]

190. delete

dupe