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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 07:24 PM
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Handy Guide to how trying to link Ayers to Obama could blow up the Clinton campaign
There is an obvious rumor that the Clinton campaign is going to try to hit the Obama campaign a week before the Pennsylvania primary. It should be expected as part of the last of the Kitchen Sink strategy. I'm certain that the Obama campaign has a response ad just in case.

Larry Johnson has been trying to work up the story as though it has validity:

"William Ayers, in the age of terrorism, will be Barack Obama's Willie Horton."
--Former counterterrorism official Larry C. Johnson, The Huffington Post, Feb. 16, 2008.


That's darkly wishful thinking on Johnson's part. To the point, FactCheck has an analysis of this:

There has been a sudden spate of blog items and newspaper articles, mainly in the British press, linking Barack Obama to a former member of the radical Weather Underground Organization that claimed responsibility for a dozen bombings between 1970 and 1974. The former Weatherman, William Ayers, now holds the position of distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois-Chicago. Although never convicted of any crime, he told the New York Times in September 2001, "I don't regret setting bombs...I feel we didn't do enough."

Both Obama and Ayers were members of the board of an anti-poverty group, the Woods Fund of Chicago, between 1999 and 2002. In addition, Ayers contributed $200 to Obama's re-election fund to the Illinois State Senate in April 2001, as reported here. They lived within a few blocks of each other in the trendy Hyde Park section of Chicago, and moved in the same liberal-progressive circles.

http://www.billayers.org/index.php
http://www.elections.il.gov/CampaignDisclosure/ContribListSearches.aspx?NavLink=1
http://www.woodsfund.org/Folder_1042751691717/Folder_1063313904706/File_1063313710297
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_weatherman_connection.html


The Woods Fund of Chicago, where Obama and Ayers were members on the board up to 2002, has a mission statement:

Building Power from Within Communities - Woods Fund of Chicago Invests in Building Resident Participation in the South Side’s Renaissance

Through our South Side Community Organizing Initiative, the Woods Fund focuses its resources on less-advantaged residents who have historically been left out of the democratic process. Our foundation is committed to building a more robust community organizing infrastructure in this part of the city. We hope the valuable lessons we have learned will help inform and advance the continued development and impact of “people power” in all under-resourced communities.

http://www.woodsfund.org/File_1204077272242


Christopher Hitchen's brother, Peter, wrote about the possible Ayers connection:

His list of contributions shows one for $200 from a certain William Ayers. Can this possibly be the same William Ayers, now a Chicago professor, who used to plant bombs in the Seventies and has said: "I don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough"? His partner, Bernardine Dohrn, once "declared war" on the US government.

It wouldn't be surprising. Those (like me) who know the Left-wing codes notice things about Obama that suggest he is far more radical than he would like us to know.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=511901&in_page_id=1811


That would be the spin that Penn (yes, he's still on the Clinton campaign) would try to paint to scare the "white vote": "he is far more radical than he would like us to know".

What is tethered in intellectual dishonesty are the facts:

The only hard facts that have come out so far are the $200 contribution by Ayers to the Obama re-election fund, and their joint membership of the eight-person Woods Fund Board. Ayers did not respond to e-mails and telephone calls requesting clarification of the relationship. Obama spokesman Bill Burton noted in a statement that Ayers was a professor of education at the University of Illinois and a former aide to Mayor Richard M. Daley, and continued:
"Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is ridiculous."


http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_weatherman_connection.html


If the Clinton machine wants to attack Obama with issue, well it would almost literally blow up in their face. As is evidently stated:

But the Obama-Ayers link is a tenuous one. As Newsday pointed out, Clinton has her own, also tenuous, Weatherman connection. Her husband commuted the sentences of a couple of convicted Weather Underground members, Susan Rosenberg and Linda Sue Evans, shortly before leaving office in January 2001.

Which is worse: pardoning a convicted terrorist or accepting a campaign contribution from a former Weatherman who was never convicted?

Whatever his past, Ayers is now a respected member of the Chicago intelligentsia, and still a member of the Woods Fund Board. The president of the Woods Fund, Deborah Harrington, said he had been selected for the board because of his solid academic credentials and "passion for social justice."

"This whole connection is a stretch," Harrington told me. "Barack was very well known in Chicago, and a highly respected legislator. It would be difficult to find people round here who never volunteered or contributed money to one of his campaigns."

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_weatherman_connection.html


As for McCain possibly trying to bring up this "issue", he was asked by Sean Hannity about the subject:

Hannity brought up “one other emerging controversy we’ve dealt with a lot on Hannity & Colmes and my Sunday show,” meaning of course Obama’s “association” with William Ayers, a member of the Weather Underground 40 years ago and now an upstanding member of society. (Sort of like another Hannity pal, admitted traitor David Horowitz. Funny how Hannity never seems to care a fig about that history!) “Should that be an issue in the campaign?” Hannity asked hopefully.

McCain was obviously not interested in going down that road. “My life has been one of reconciliation,” he said. “If people want to put their past behind them, to apologize, to say look we’ve made mistakes in the past but we want to move forward, I respect that and embrace it. Because all of us have made serious mistakes in our lives and I certainly am one of them.”

http://www.newshounds.us/2008/03/14/mccain_reaches_over_hannity_and_limbaugh_to_reach_out_to_conservatives.php


In summation:

"...there’s no evidence their relationship is more than the casual friendship of two men who occupy overlapping Chicago political circles and who served together on the board of a Chicago foundation."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8630.html




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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 07:28 PM
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1. thanks for this handy guide - bookmaked and saved for future use with CNN nt
Edited on Thu Apr-10-08 07:29 PM by asSEENonTV
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Voltaire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 07:59 PM
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2. What lunacy on her part
Of course her supporters will eat it up like its manna from heaven
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:24 AM
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28. taking aim at the left foot now
shes shot the right one damn near off

the funny thing to me is that she cant even keep track of her own dirty dealings
everytime she tries to smear obama she ends up with it on her face worse because shes done whatever shes accusing him of and ten times worse
:crazy:
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:06 PM
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3. NOTHING will be as troublesome as Wright for 2 reasons:
It is a VIDEO of the 'controversy' in action, and it attempts to exploit the fears of diversity that some white americans have.

Obama handled it extremely effectively...so much so that one commentator on the news said the Clinton camp was furious that the issue hadn't sunk Obama's campaign (hence having a little rat named Lanny write an op-ed, to no avail).

If the Wright video only helped Obama, nothing will sink him. Ayers? Rezko? Please. Compare detailed, 6-degrees of separation accusations of that to the Wright videos, and there is absolutely no comparison.

The hilarious thing is, even the Wright issue was ridiculous because it didn't even involve Obama's OWN words or actions. The American public saw this, as the polls show. The only effect the Wright issue had was on the conservative Republicans who were looking for any reason to dislike Obama in the first place.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:07 PM
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4. and the people
at Hillaryforum.net They have an entire posting section on the Rev.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:09 PM
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5. Can we stop linking to that forum?
Not only is it rude and unhelpful but it just builds their numbers.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:23 PM
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7. I want to build their numbers over there
More pot an pan fun days in more cities!
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:05 PM
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24. That is silly.
And pointless.

We need to stop antagonizing Clinton supporters. It is only causing them to want Clinton that much more instead of moving on.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:33 PM
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9. The Wright "controversy" has only helped Obama so far
His speech about race, which was responding to the Wright "controversy", is seen by many as a historic speech for the ages. His poll numbers have gone up since the "controversy" . Contributions to the campaign since the "controversy".

McCain won't touch the "controversy" since he knows that his ties to Hagee and Parsley would be more exposed. Even Colin Powell said that Obama has handled the "controversy" well.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:11 PM
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6. Thanks for the handy guide!!
It is good to see this shut down before Clinton could have used it to keep the race going longer.

Keep it up zulchzulu!!!! You are doing GREAT work helping us EXPOSE this mess and get a candidate nominated who can actually win!!

GOBAMA!!!
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:27 PM
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8. So, would Mr. Ayers do it all again, he is asked? " I don't want to discount the possibility."
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:38 PM
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10. Hopefully Clinton brings it up as an "issue", because the blowback would be a bitch
Is Ayers running for President? Let me check.... um... no.

Should people that are linked to the Clintons be three degrees of separation be an issue? I doubt the Clintons would want to go there.

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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:48 PM
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13. Clinton won't be the one bringing it up and Clinton won't be the one answering the questions.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:56 PM
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15. The answer to the question would be pretty basic and simple
Obama has already said he in no way supports the Weather Underground. He was also 11 at the time the events happened. The fact that he was on a board for a foundation that helps the community fund affordable housing is barely an issue. That he got $200 from Ayers when he was a popular candidate in the same district is not an issue.

The story has about as many legs as a rock.


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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:40 PM
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11. Did you even read the post? Bill PARDONED some of the WUers who were convicted! Ayers wasn't even
convicted.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:47 PM
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12. Now Now
Hillary was only involved in the good things...the shady things were all Bill.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:51 PM
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14. BFD. He also pardoned the FALN. Read about the WUers who were pardoned.
None of them are being coy in this election about whether they'd do it again. And none of them served on the same Board of Directors as Clinton.

The OP is what's ignorant. Posturing does not make sound politics.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:57 PM
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16. So Ayers, who was never convicted of anything, is a bigger deal than the pardoning of WU
members who WERE convicted? Am I getting this right? :rofl:
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 09:03 PM
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18. Yes, Ayers who has admitted participating in many bombings of federal facilities, is a bigger deal
than a presidential pardon, though I doubt you get it. Clinton should have pardoned Peltier too.

And your ass rolling smiley adds little to your post, revealing as it is about your intellect.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 09:06 PM
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19. I'd say thinking this wouldn't be a Clinton problem as well as an Obama problem shows your intellect
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 09:08 PM
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21. OK, garbageman.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:19 AM
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26. ok, rug.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:59 PM
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17. No, if it becomes Obama's problem, it will be Clinton's as well all of ours.
Edited on Thu Apr-10-08 08:59 PM by mmonk
She won't possibly win if she uses it and it is attributable to her and Obama loses the super delegate race with it in the primaries. Clinton will as a result be crushed in the general election.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 09:07 PM
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20. Clinton won't be the one using it. It's Obama's problem and will stay Obama's problem.
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lander Donating Member (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 02:25 AM
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29. Ooh, how coy.
Edited on Fri Apr-11-08 02:28 AM by lander
That's the second time you've used the same careful phrasing. "Clinton won't be the one using it." Next time, could you maybe finish with a dramatic orchestra hit and a "To be continued..." graphic like they do on sitcoms, one-hour dramas, and FOX News?

Seriously, though, rug -- I get it. This is the part where we're all supposed to wonder what nefarious plans the HRC camp may have in store. If "Clinton won't be the one using it," then who will? Could it be Penn? Wolfson? Geraldine Ferraro? I'm sweating bullets.* The problem is, where does the Clinton campaign go for credibility these days? Kitchen sinks are backordered until at least July.

Fortunately, rug, I think she'll wise up and call off this week's Special Guest Surrogate. How can I be so sure? Easy: Taylor Marsh and Larry Johnson are "catapulting the propaganda" -- and we know all about their stellar** records when it comes to predicting events in this primary.




* By "sweating", I mean "laughing" — and by "bullets", I mean "...my ass off".
** When I say "stellar", what I actually mean to say is the opposite of that. I suppose one of these :sarcasm: would do the trick.


ON EDIT: bad HTML.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 09:28 PM
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22. the weathermen were idiots
i have no idea what they were trying to prove but they must have thought they had something.

as for obama`s problem..what a joke. larry johnson trying to make something out of nothing because that`s all his girl has left-nothing.

it`s going to be nice to get on to attacking "senior moment john" instead of each other
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:44 PM
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25. True
As for Johnson, he used to be pretty cool with exposing Bush on the 911 problem... now he's running on fumes.

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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 09:48 PM
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23. This is pretty much Hillary's campaign in a nutshell


The GE will be much more interesting than all the backstabbing done by the DLC. The Democratic Party needs to heal and then rip into the GE cycle with renewed vigor.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:53 AM
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27. Bookmarked.
Thanks for doing my homework.

Now, since folks like chumming the waters around these parts and off topic, but I wonder if Puerto Ricans will be wink-wink paying the Clintons back for his pardon of FALN?

http://dir.salon.com/story/politics/feature/2002/02/04/faln/

I'm concerned.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 02:33 AM
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30. Obama linked himself to Ayers, Wright, Meeks, McClurkin, Odinga,

Emil Jones, Rezko,and many others. Voters have a right to know about a candidate's connections. Hillary Clinton has been vetted to the point of overkill while Obama has not been properly vetted.

If Obama is as great as you think, why does he have so many troubling connections -- and why are you afraid to have them revealed?
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 09:35 AM
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33. About those...
This OP is about Ayers:
- Gave $200 to Obama campaign in late '90s and was on same board of affordable housing foundation.

Wright:
This story has been addressed

Meeks:
A prominent Illinois State Senator who has a tactical alliance with Obama. BFD

McClurkin:
This story has been addressed

Odinga:
Apparently Odinga says he's Obama's cousin having the same father, who Obama never knew as a child. BFD

Emil Jones:
Jones heads the Illinois State Senate and worked with Obama on legislation. What's Obama supposed to do...not work with the head of the state senate?

Tony Rezko:
The case happening now has been reported that Obama has done no wrongdoing. Obama did buy a home with multiple offers for $1.6 m from book proceeds and a small lot next to the home. The home purchase is legit and vetted.



No one has said that Obama is perfect and anyone running for President who makes it this far surely has some characters on the trail of life...
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 04:36 AM
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31. this is the big thing they've got???
a $200 contribution
members on the same board
lived in the same neighborhood

that's all? :banghead:

if that was so disqualifying, nobody in DC could get elected! :eyes:
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 04:41 AM
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32. K & R
:kick:
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