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acrosstheuniverse Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:26 PM
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I am making a personal prediction -Hillary will fight Obama and he will lose against Mccain -
Edited on Thu Apr-10-08 08:29 PM by acrosstheuniverse
Just my opinion. Don't take it too seriously guys. ;)

I see Hillary winning pretty big in Pennsylvania. She will take it all the way to the convention in the final week of August and rely on the Florida lawsuit against the DNC to get a ruling in her favor to seat all of the Florida delegates. Claiming momentum after winning PENN, Indiana, PR, West Virginia, Kentucky, and maybe others she will head a very big fight for the super-delegates going into the convention and claim it to be a case where ALL the VOTES should count thus making her campaign look like the one that is not into cheating the electorate by disenfranchising voters like the Obama camp is. I personally don't believe in this hogwash that will come from her side but no doubt many angry supporters of her will and that will put a lot of pressure on many super-delegates to come to her side (especially the ones from the big states). It will be an ugly and brutal fight with allegations flying back and forth from both camps and the Republicans will be very giddy as they watch such utter destruction befall the Democratic Party. I predict John Mccain will get a major boost of momentum around the same weeks of the Conventions when he picks his running mate. Whoever that may be.

Lots of people, including the news media make it out that DNC chairman Howard Dead and other heavyweights in the party will be able to force the super-delegates to make a decision and most likely choosing Obama due to his pledged delegate lead. That is NOT the case. Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, and even Al Gore have absolutely no say in the matter of coercing these people into all uniting behind one candidate. Especially when it is a race so close such as this. They will be powerless as the entire Party falls into discord and shambles with vast hatred coming from both sides.

By the time the candidate is nominated it will have been such a brutal fight that vast supporters of the other candidate will have a very hard time coalescing around the nominee especially within such a short time period between the conventions and the general election. Independents and moderate Republicans will have seen how much stained and weaker the nominee is due to the battle basically tearing the "perceptions" or "images" of both of these candidates apart.

We know that had Hillary Clinton simply dropped out of the race before Texas and Ohio had voted it would have already been a pretty close race between Obama and Mccain. The nation is very very divided and has been for decades. Bill Clinton won the 1992 election by an easy margin partly because Ross Perot was in the race and had he not attracted votes from George HW it would have been much closer. Ditto for the 1996 election where Dole was behind by 6 percent in the popular vote and that was the exact percent Perot came up with that year.

My point is due to the unfortunate decision for Hillary Clinton to continue to wage a scorched earth campaign against Barack Obama despite his much better chances at winning against Mccain, we are going to see the Democrats fail miserably at attempting to win all three branches of the government in a year that can only be described as absolutely the worst for the GOP with Bush's approval rating at 28% the endless Iraqi quagmire, the economy possibly headed into the worst recession since the Great Depression. Consumer confidence, general morale, and confidence in the government near all-time lows.

Only somebody with an ego like Hillary can cause the oldest party of the most powerful nation on earth to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in a time and opportunity that would have given the party the biggest electoral landslide since 1964. IF ONLY she would have dropped out, endorsed Obama, and had the remaining primaries confirm the endorsement from coast to coast.

He would have been a much stronger candidate in the Fall with all of these states behind him.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:27 PM
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1. The coup d'etat of 2000 will not be over in 2008. nt
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keep_it_real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:28 PM
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2. My prediction: Obama will be the next president of the U.S. States.
Go Bama!
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:32 PM
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3. Hillary runs as an Independant counting on Obama to siphon votes off Mccain.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 09:23 PM
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8. like the idea- Karma after Obama pissed on being on the same ticket with Hillary (in any order)
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gcomeau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 09:52 PM
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12. As the last time you posted this...
...it remains completely disingenuous.

Hillary forced Obama's hand by suggesting him in a VP slot from second place in the race. She put him in a position where he either had to shoot down the pairing or let her get away with both portraying herself as the frontrunner despite losing in every measurable category imaginable AND suggesting to his supporters that they could still get him as a two-fer by voting Hillary. She made sure he had only one viable option. To then blame Obama for the "dream ticket" being scuttled by doing the only thing she allowed him to do if he wanted to, you know, run for president... is ridiculous.

I would have maintained reservations about Hilary as his VP regardless because I did not then nor do I now consider her to help him under those circumstances, but that is what really killed it. And it was all Hillary.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:54 PM
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19. Nonsense - Obama is a - @#$ - and made clear his ego would not allow a run with Hillary
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Blondiegrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 09:46 PM
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11. ... leading to a McCain win. Congratulations, Hillary supporters! eom
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:31 PM
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17. They aren't going to need anything Hillary said.
Obama's handing them the ammunition right now.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:54 PM
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20. Karma is a bitch
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:36 PM
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4. Hope
There is nothing wrong with hoping it doesn't turn out this way. Work so it doesn't but why start off with doom predictions? If we hope and work that this doesn't happen...the worse thing is we lose. If we start off thinking this is going to happen...we might be creating a self fufilling prophecy.
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:42 PM
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5. As of now Polls show McCain/Condi
Kick'n Dem ass. But on every individual issue a Dem wins. Now the Republic Party sucks ass, and after the 8-year Bush Fiasco polls that even indicate McCain as a heads up pick are a frightening testament to “Predictably Irrational: The Hidden Forces That Shape Our Decisions” http://www.amazon.com/Predictably-Irrational-Hidden-Forces-Decisions/dp/006135323X
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:43 PM
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6. There is too much negative information on McCain that his
campaign will implode. Youtube is loaded with videos like Mac-Nutjob hugging the traitor and torturer that occupies the White House just to mention one of several hundred others. The 'C' word is common with him. The 100 years war will be like ringing a dinner bell. All Obama or Clinton has to do is just piss him off a little and he will throw a cussing fit for all to see live during a debate. I can't wait to see this supporter of the criminal in the White House defeated. :dem:
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Blondiegrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 09:21 PM
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7. If she does, she will end up the pariah of the Democratic Party.
She'll likely lose her Senate seat, too.

I'd like to think she's not that self-destructive, but who knows.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 09:28 PM
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9. Such pessimism!
IMO, Penn. will be close. Obama will lose, but by less than 10 points, perhaps by less than 5. This is a resounding accomplishment for him and will be taken as such. Then he will hold the line in Guam (!) and Indiana, and have a complete blowout in NC and WV. There will be a steady drip of superdelegates throughout this time period so that he will be very close to tied with her in superdelegates. Furthermore she will be continuing to suffer for cash, as she has tapped out her large donors and has repeatedly failed to grow her donor base. After NC and WV the party will ratchet up the pressure for the rest of them to endorse. It will be made clear to them that she cannot be allowed to take it to the convention. They will do so soon after his two victories, and, with the delegate count against her, and out of cash, she will concede sometime in May.

That's MY two cents. :D
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Blondiegrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 09:39 PM
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10. WV? Um, no. That's the one state Clinton is sure to win.
Where in the world are people getting the idea that Obama will win here?

I do agree he'll win by a blowout in NC, though.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:03 PM
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14. I got the idea
from thin air. ;)
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Blondiegrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:51 PM
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22. LOL ... Well, miracles do happen. Maybe we'll get one! eom
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 09:55 PM
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13. "Scorched Earth" again! What are the odds? Wait, there's TOO MUCH DEMOCRACY!!!
Oh my God - Hillary never understood that it was her purpose in the campaign to help Obama win the nom. She should have not even run. How dare she? Who the hell does she think she is interferring with the coronation!!!???

:eyes:
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acrosstheuniverse Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:14 PM
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15. If you like more and more democracy
Edited on Thu Apr-10-08 10:18 PM by acrosstheuniverse
Why not encourage a bunch of liberals like Ralph Nader and John Edwards and Hillary to run on Independent liberal tickets in the Fall? Hell yeah that would be so great in the general election with these three candidates plus Obama to run against just one Republican - MCCAIN! You wouldn't be against that now would you?

After all it would be 4 liberals against one Republican. Surely the Mccain team would be outnumbered by the excitement of 8 candidates!. OH HOW WONDERFUL and DEMOCRATIC that would be! And how dare I or other Obama supporters actually think that maybe just maybe because these candidates egos would be so big that they would be destroying everybody's chances against Mccain. Aww the hell with it! That's not important. The name of DEMOCRACY is what's important and a situation like that would be GREAT for America because ALL DEMOCRATS will then be happy! (Regardless of how many abandoned their own party).

That is they will be happy at least until Election Day.

Democracy is such a glorious thing. We should be encouraging other liberals to run for President this fall.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:25 PM
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16. More insane by the minute. Hillary is running in an UNWON Democratic race.
Edited on Thu Apr-10-08 10:25 PM by Skip Intro

You may be in the wrong place if you hold the Democratic process in such disdain.

We'll have Democratic nominee, and it may not be Obama.

Your entire post is ludicrous.


Sorry to splash you with cold reality like that.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:33 PM
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18. Hope , hope is what makes me believe we're not done.
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 11:44 PM
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21. with Dems turning out in droves... Are you SERIOUS?
you are delusional!
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 09:25 PM
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23. Change that scenario by a hair:
recognizing the brutal fracture within the party, and the inevitable November disaster, the party will nominate a "compromise candidate" that is neither Obama nor HRC. Someone who can actually unite the party and win in November.

At least, that's the ideal at this point, and I'm holding out for it. ;)
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