Obama: I value Colin Powell's advice. Powell admires Obama in return

[jackson_dem]

Powell should be living a Bartman-like exile. :mad: Powell should not be advising any candidate, especially one who was "against" at first the war that Powell was instrumental in bringing.

This comes on the heels of Condi Rice praising Obama.


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“He’s somebody whose counsel I value,” Mr. Obama told the Chicago television stations WGN and CLTV, “and I’m grateful for his recognition that we can have differences of opinion — or be part of different political parties — but that we can still acknowledge the service we are rendering to the country.”


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In a television interview that was broadcast Thursday, Mr. Powell said he “admired” how Mr. Obama handled a speech last month on race. He also said he agreed with much of what Mr. Obama had said about the controversial sermons of his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr.

“I thought that Senator Obama handled the issue well,” Mr. Powell told ABC’s “Good Morning America.” “He didn’t abandon the minister that brought him closer to his faith, but at the same time he deplored the kinds of statements that the Reverend Wright had made.”

Mr. Powell noted that he was friends with all three presidential candidates. While he said he had not decided whom to support, he said he was impressed by Mr. Obama’s ability to “learn quickly.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/11/us/politics/11campaign.html

[loveangelc]

1. good

[jackson_dem]

4. What is good?

[loveangelc]

12. that powell endorsed him.

[jackson_dem]

14. Would you be happy with Dick Cheney or Donald Rumsefeld endorsing Obama?

[loveangelc]

19. not the same and you know it.

[jackson_dem]

21. How are they different? Powell is probably more responsible for this war than Rumsfeld

Powell played a crucial role in convincing the public to support the war. Rumsfeld didn't.

[loveangelc]

24. he admits it was a mistake.

[jackson_dem]

25. If Charles Manson admitted everything was a mistake should he be let off the hook?

Powell should be in the slammer.

[loveangelc]

26. yeah, ok...

so should hillary and everyone who voted for the war then.

[jackson_dem]

27. Obama voted for the war too. There is a difference between what they did and what Powell did

Powell KNEW it was all a bunch of lies yet he still went out there and lied to the public and promoted the war.

[loveangelc]

28. Obama did not vote for the war. Hillary did. Facts are facts, you can't change them.

How did the senators who voted against the war know Bush was lying? Hillary is too easily deceived to be president.

[jackson_dem]

31. How can you be "against" something you are helping pay for?

[loveangelc]

33. Funding the troops to have such things as body armor is not wrong.

voting to authorize a war is. Hillary did, and many other senators did not. She didn't even read the reports. Obviously she went with it because she thought it best for her image. Pathetic.

[jackson_dem]

36. Obama's vote wasn't needed to secure funding

Besides no funding, no war.

You must have missed this great post from BenDavid:

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29. Remember when HRC said all obama had was a speech in

2002.....Maybe her bigger point was: Where was Obama's big anti-war speech in 2003? Where was Obama's big anti-war speech in 2004, at Kerry's convention? Where was Obama's big anti-war speech in 2005?
Where was Obama's big anti-war speech in 2006? Where was Obama's anti-war filibuster in 2007? Was stopping the war worth standing up, Barack? Where was Obama's anti-war filibuster in 2008? Was stopping the war worth standing up, Barack? Perhaps HRC was really asking, "If he's got more than a 2002 speech - where is it?".

If Obama even wins the nomination and somehow wins it all, I'll bet he'll come up with a reason why he's not going to bring the troops home. I think he'll say, "With the bigger picture I now have as president, and after talking with the generals I am convinced that it would be unwise to lower troop levels at this time."

[loveangelc]

39. Obama would not punish the troops for the war Hillary has help put in harms way.

[jackson_dem]

42. Making a big speech is punishment? How can words hurt?

If Obama and enough others voted against funding the war the war would have been over by now. Even if he voted against funding and most senators did not that would not have hurt anyone. Has Kucinich killed anyone by voting against funding?

Where were his big anti-war speeches in 2003? 2004 (AT THE CONVENTION on a national stage!)? 2005? 2006? He did nothing until he began running for president.

[loveangelc]

47. No, voting to authorize a war and going blindly with whatever the President says

is punishment.

[jackson_dem]

48. Obama's "opposition" to the war is just words

I just looked at his 2004 convention speech, which is what caused the msm to launch the cult of Obama. He didn't even denounce the war. He criticized the execution, marketing of the war but not the war itself.

[loveangelc]

50. Why didn't Hillary read the NIE report?

seriously, every big thing she's been given has been full of fail.

[MADem]

53. Why did Obama say 911 couldn't have been prevented? NT

[jackson_dem]

54. Why didn't Obama speak out against the war when he had the opportunity of a lifetime?

That speech is what made him a media celebrity. Why didn't he include some strong words against the war in it? Most keynote speakers don't go anywhere so for all he knew that could have been his only chance to be in the national limelight. Of course the war was fairly popular at the time...

She didn't read it because she spoke to generals and others with access to the intelligence and was aware of what Bill Clinton knew over 8 years. There was a consensus that Saddam had the weapons (a view also shared by Obama). The real question at the time was whether that warranted a war.

[loveangelc]

56. Hillary continuing to rely on others words and experience..nothing new.

[MADem]

When you look at where the MONEY comes from, that's a fair assumption

General Dynamics makes most of their money off the business of war. They don't have a sideline in refrigerators or lightbulbs.

He certainly is the "Crown" Prince, isn't he?

Fascinating reading, this: http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/31965

[JoFerret]

65. Powell sold his soul and checked his courage

way back in the Vietnam era Pentagon.
This endorsement is cowardly.
Where was he for all the past key elections when a nod from him might have had meaning.

[jackson_dem]

70. Helping bring us Bush in 00' and trying to bring us Dole!

[JoFerret]

73. Made excuses for massacres and

shilled for a bogus war on behalf of a corrupt administration.

HE was in a position to know better and as he had no political ambitions for elected office (or so it has seemed all these years) he had no need to play along, watch his bases or be cautious.

[quickesst]

64. They transformed...

the Clintons, and half the Dem party into corporate loving racists. How hard could spinning Cheney and Bush into intelligent, thoughtful individuals who's opinions, and endorsement of Obama is welcome with open arms? They're so used to lying to themselves, it's become their reality. You just can't argue with Obalogic. Thanks.
quickesst

[emilyg]

16. He didn't endorse him.

[jackson_dem]

20. For all intents and purposes he did

As a rethug who served as Secretary of State he can't overtly endorse Obama. He did the next best thing. This has the added bonus of allowing him to have influence so long as McSame or Obama wins.

[Tellurian]

15. If the Devil himself endorsed Obama...his endorsement would merit a similar response.

If Obama said we're going to kill your first born children. The response would be the same. None of his supporters have the ability to think for themselves. Obama thrives on their loneliness and despair bringing them the Hope and Change they wish for. Does he ever say his Hope and Change will give them a better life...If they dare to complain about his hope and change, all he has to say is..."Did I ever say I'd make it better for you?"

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[loveangelc]

18. Hillary supporters always seem to be angry and bitter people with problems..

Life never took them where they wanted to go or something. She could lie to your face and many, including yourself, would likely have no problem with it. Because hillary is THE GODDESS OF PEACE!!!!!!!!

[jackson_dem]

29. Clinton supports can admit when she is/was wrong. Obamites NEVER say he is wrong

Just today they are defending him giving a platform for bigots at a campaign event. Will we be seeing Louis Farrakhan or David Duke at an Obama campaign event too? No. He used McClurkin for a specific purpose: winning South Carolina.

[loveangelc]

37. Since when do Clinton supporters admit when she is wrong?

We are nearing worship-like levels for their "goddess of peace." They also seem violent.

[jackson_dem]

44. I have done it many times

[loveangelc]

49. you're the only one.

the rest are ready to defend the Goddess of Peace should she hire a hitman on Obama to win the nomination.

[scheming daemons]

67. Clinton SUPPORTERS can admit when she's wrong.... but Clinton HERSELF can't????

..and that's not a problem for you?

[rch35]

59. What the fuck is your deal?

Seriously. Are you stupid enough to believe all the crap you write? It's literally mind-boggling. So once Hillary loses and endorses Obama, becoming a Obama *Supporter* what do you say then?

[JeffR]

2. This just in: "dem folk all stick together!"

Is that the point here? If not, what is your point, pray tell?

[jackson_dem]

Does it need to be explained? Is Powell now a "progressive" hero because he is for Obama too?

Powell is a disgrace along with Rumsefeld, Wolfowitz, and the entire gang. In fact he is worse because he should have known better.

[GarbagemanLB]

3. This seems like a pro-Obama thread...I'm surprised. :)

[grantcart]

5. he is starting to run for the GE

[woolldog]

9. Actually Obama was consulting with Powell as early

as June of 2007. I'll try to track down the link....

[catcher]

6. In case you didn't know

Colin Powell is a well respected figure.

[jackson_dem]

7. Unfortunately he actually is among most of the population so Powell helps Obama

What is wrong with this picture: Steve Bartman catches a baseball and is STILL living in hiding almost a decade later while Powell is prancing around giving interviews and advising the Democratic and rethug front runners?

[QC]

10. He should be on trial in The Hague. n/t

[jackson_dem]

13. Yup. The netroots hated Powell--until he became an adviser to Obama

If Bin Laden/OJ/Charles Manson endorsed Obama they would become heroes to Obamites too. :eyes:

[Unsane]

And if he advised Clinton?

[jackson_dem]

40. Netroots "progressives" would still hate him

We have come full circle: Joe Wilson, who fought to prevent the war and paid a heavy price for doing so, is hated by "progressives" while Powell is a hero. All because of St. Obama.

[Alter Ego]

72. I still have no respect for Colin Powell.

He stood in front of that UN Assembly and lied to their faces about Iraq's weapons capabilities.

And your statement is patently false, disgusting, and ignorant.

[PetraPooh]

8. Excellent news. If it annoys jackson_dem it must be good news.

Do you have a link to your Rice comment, or are you just adding it for dramatic effect.

[jackson_dem]

11. You missed Bush's Sect. of State helping Obama get out of pastorgate?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080328/pl_nm/usa_politics_obama_rice_dc

[PetraPooh]

45. All she said was that it was important that he give the speech, she neither

rated it positively or negatively. Man, you spin shit don't you? Is your real name Karl Rove?

[jackson_dem]

51. Get real. Having the rethug Secretary of State implicitly endorse the speech helped Obama

It further fueled the media narrative about how "great" his speech was. Hey, look! Even the Bush administration's top appointed official was moved by it!

What do you expect her to say? In her position she cannot directly endorse Obama. She went about as far as she could go.

[PetraPooh]

60. Actually you should get real, it would not be at all good for Obama,

Colin Powell, yes he is potentially a good endorsement, but Condoleeza Rice? not a chance. AND she did not implicitly or explicitly endorse him or the content of his speech.

[DFW]

22. I wish Powell had impressed me with his ability to stand up to Cheney's lies while he was SecState

I MIGHT have had a little more respect for anything he has had to say since.

As it is, like Germany's Fischer told Rumsfeld when he was trying to get Germany
to join our invasion to get Saddam's WMD, "you have not convinced me."

[Algorem]

23. Great! Maybe he could bullshit the UN and we can O-bomb-a Iran!

[MADem]

34. ....

:rofl:

[Tellurian]

35. Powell's appearance may be the prequel to just that..

get a dialog going publicly. Give Obama the "gravitas" he is so sorely lacking..

There isn't enough Powells, Kennedys or Kerrys in the world to give him the gravitas he's lacking to ascend this presidency!

Obama is a covenant with chaos and death. If that is the "Hope and Change" you're looking for.

[Unsane]

30. God, more of your bilge.

[MADem]

32. Most people don't realize that McCain and Powell are ABOUT THE SAME AGE. FWIW. NT

[kmsarvis]

38. JACKSON-DEM IM BEGINING TO THINK YOU'RE A TAD BIT OBSESSIVE COMPULSIVE.

MAYBE YOU SHOULD TAKE A LITTLE BREAK FROM THE COMPUTER AND GO OUTSIDE TO GET SOME FRESH AIR.IS'NT THIS LIKE YOUR TENTH OP TODAY.I MEAN ,IT JUST SEEMS LIKE YOU COULD BE DOING SOMETHING MORE PRODUCTIVE WITH YOUR TIME.

[jackson_dem]

41. This is my third OP. How is the weather in Pittsburgh?

[kmsarvis]

43. MY APOLOGIES. IT JUST FEELS LIKE YOUR TENTH OP.

[jackson_dem]

46. I am glad you read all my posts

[DemBones DemBones]

52. Condi Rice praised Obama? After he interefered in Kenyan politics -- while

there on a junket funded by U.S. taxpayers -- and was called on the carpet by the U.S. State Dept. for his actions?

After she had to try to straighten out the mess caused when Obama's cousin Raila Odinga lost the presidential election in December and there was an attempted coup? (Obama spoke at Odinga's campaign rallies and heavily criticized his opponent, the incumbent president, so he had a role in all this mess.) Over 700 are dead so far in the post-election fighting. What a uniter!

[jackson_dem]

55. Yeah she helped bail him out of the first round of pastorgate (the second round would be the GE)

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[Algorem]

63. what the hell is going on!?

[The Magistrate]

66. Do You Have A Source For Sen. Obama's Campaigning For Mr. Odinga, Ma;am?

[muriel_volestrangler]

74. Obama last went to Kenya on 2006

Senator Obama barely knew his father and does not know his Kenyan relatives well. He has visited Kenya three times, most recently very briefly in 2006.

On his last visit, Mr. Obama visited two area schools that had been renamed for him. The intention in renaming the schools seems to have been partly to attract funding. One person after another noted pointedly that it was a shame that a school named for a great American should be so dilapidated.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/24/opinion/24kristof.html

I don't know where you got the idea that he campaigned for Odinga, but it's wrong. It wouldn't exactly be likely, would it? Breaking off from the Iowa and New Hampshire campaigns to travel to the far side of Africa for an election on 27th December is hardly the thing an American presidential candidate would do, is it? And there was no 'junket' either. But Obama did work with the State Department (but not by going there), in the aftermath of the election:

As he campaigned for his party's presidential nomination Tuesday in the New Hampshire primary, Senator Barack Obama was following developments in Kenya and was working with the U.S. State Department to speak with President Mwai Kibaki of that country.
...
Obama, a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee whose father was Kenyan, spoke Monday with the Kenyan opposition leader, Raila Odinga, asking Odinga to meet directly with the president without any preconditions, a spokesman for Obama said.
...
For the past week, as he has campaigned for the Democratic presidential nomination, Obama has been involved in talks between U.S. and Kenyan leaders. He spoke to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice a week ago, aides said.

Obama, whose grandmother and other relatives live in Kenya, visited the country in August 2006 and met with several government leaders. He spoke directly to the Kenyan people late last week in an interview on Voice of America radio.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/01/08/europe/obama.php

So, no speech at rallies, and no role in the Kenyan election - until he worked with the State Dept after it.

[intaglio]

58. It doesn't strike you that your fury

specifically the fury toward those you disagree with is perhaps totalitarian in style? Being advised should involve those with different perspectives to yourself. If you do not value such advice you end up hearing only your cheerleaders, who just reinforce false premises and bigotry that you start with.

[jackson_dem]

69. Would you accept "advice" from Charles Manson or even Dick Cheney?

[intaglio]

77. Manson could give advice about murder

and Cheney about canned hunts ... persisting in asking dumb questions means you will get dumb answers

Stupidity aside, being advised does NOT indicate that you will take that advice but that your decisions will be informed by that advice. For example I am sure Bill will advise Hillary about a Columbian free trade agreement, Hillary has stated that she opposes such an agreement but I am sure that she will make sure her opposition to such a pact will be informed by Bill's advice. On the other hand many of the Clinton group here ignore all advice and, frankly, it makes them sound ignorant and obsessed.

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[otohara]

68. Why Powell Still Has An Ounce of Credibility

is a mystery to me. Blame the media I suppose - they gloss over his involvement in massive blunder in Iraq. I don't think Obama can diss this guy without a huge backlash from media/blacks/GOP. I will hope that his good judgment will keep Powell far, far away from his administration.

Even crazier, why does Condi still have huge favorably ratings - worst ever in both her positions. She play the piano well and exercises a whole lot.

[uponit7771]

71. He showed remorse, America is a VERY forgiving country IMHO. Powell is respectable even though some

...of the crap he's done in the past is really stupid

[jackson_dem]

75. If he can't stand up to Powell how can we expect him to stand up for change?

[quantass]

76. k&r