Bill Clinton: "Next, We'll See Him Run an Ad Saying: Vote For Me, I Don't Steal Cars."

[K Gardner]

Yes, he really said it, after laughing and making fun of one of Obama's PA ad about not taking money from Oil Co's.

This was Vincennes, IN speech yesterday

Thanks to Progetto for the video of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn7Gq_8YxtE

During the same speech, he rambled on about the media and their Tuzla coverage, talking about Hillary "misspeaking" and how "they" made a big deal out of it. The entire thing was very strange to watch, was not ex-Presidential nor worthy of Bill Clinton and reeked of desperation and the revival of the same whisper/code word campaign that sunk them in S. Carolina. They do not learn, they do not go away..it won't end well for either of them.


President Bill Clinton signed legislation in 1996 overhauling
the welfare system. Current White House hopeful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton,
who was first lady at the time, supported the bill.
Front Page at: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24060990/

[PVnRT]

1. Where was this?

[K Gardner]

6. Just read Jenmito's post.. I think it was the same speech she was talking

about in Booneville, IN.. because they're covering the sniper fire comments. Still looking for video.

Chris Matthews this a.m. said it was so 'bad' he didn't even want to comment on it. That it was "an old act and well-rehearsed", then he said, "well, politics is a tough business." Not even Matthews would go there.

[Eurobabe]

9. Then it was what I just saw on Morning Joe with Tweety

[K Gardner]

28. Yes.. Matthews refused to comment but Morning Ho seems intent on running with it..

this is the first morning in two weeks I've watched this tripe and now I remember why.

It starts me off with a really bad taste in my mouth for the whole day. Scarbrough is a nasty, vile, little man and you can almost see the glee with which he is reporting this. Has he ever gone off the Wright Bandwagon? I honestly haven't been watching and life has been much better !

[Texas Hill Country]

204. you guys are amazing... just amazing

[roguevalley]

267. amazing because they catch things or amazing bad? Me, I live in

reality-ville and want the truth.

[niceypoo]

293. Amazingly thin skinned

[Cha]

254. Good..let him run with it...

bil clinton looks like A$$HOLE and Obama gets noticed for not taking money from oil companies that are ruining the Planet.

bil's just old before his time..that's gotta be his Whiney A$$ excuse.

[Vinca]

2. What the heck is wrong with this man? Stealing cars?

I'd love to see that clip.

[progetto]

49. here's the clip...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn7Gq_8YxtE

[K Gardner]

54. Thank you !! Edited OP to include this with credit to you for finding it :-)

[Zachstar]

58. Media is already all over it. This is not going to be a good day for democrats.

[MannyGoldstein]

3. Bill Clinton Is Terrified Of Becoming Irrelevant

But his terror is only pushing him to make himself more irrelevant. A vicious circle.

[C_U_L8R]

10. He's made himself irrelevant

Good god... the crap and lies that spew from both Bill and Hillary.
I can't believe this "car stealing" innuendo and even more I
can't believe they are raising Bosnia again.. and LYING ABOUT THEIR LIES !!!

May their dishonesty play on infinite loops for all to see.
Ugly.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

18. any past tense reference, or stacking him in the wood pile

would destroy his most precious asset - his ego.

I have thought more than once that Bill is "TRYING" so hard to get her elected, while secretly and knowingly doing incredible damage to her chances of ever getting the nomination, ust to protect his superiority. HE was president, she was merely a failed candidate. if she allowed HIM to run the campaign, instead of Penn, she would have won. If HE had all the authority he demanded early on, she would be battling against McCain and only McCain.

He never wants to share the limelight, except on his terms. Now, seeing her in a position to eclipse him, he is working hard, which undermining the entire campaign.

I don't mean to be Dr. Frist, doing long range psychiatric evaluations from video, but I cannot shake the idea that all of his actions and misfires are deliberate.

[K Gardner]

60. I've had the same thoughts.. Freud would have a field day

with these two... :hide:

[ginnyinWI]

125. he might be doing it subconsciously,,,

Mostly I think they are grasping at whatever they think will win the news cycle of that particular day. It's old-style politics that just isn't good enough this time. It's day-to-day hand to hand combat, rather than an overall theme or message.

The term, "jumped the shark" fits Bill perfectly now, unfortunately.

[Marnieworld]

159. Jumped the shark

That is exactly what popped into my mind when I saw this. I can't believe it. I used to have so much respect for him. Now? I am starting to wish he'd be quiet.

[mckeown1128]

291. I believe that Bill jumped the shark when he made that...

"well, Jessie Jackson won the SC primary" comment, after SC.

[loyalsister]

216. He'd rather be despised than irrelevant, I supposed

I have said more than once that I thought he might be concerned that his wife's presidency might eclipse his own.
This language is something that will have crossed the line in the eyes of many.
"Mugged," stealing cars? Given the backlash this begs for, it sounds like he would rather have Hillary lose.

[sudopod]

241. Not irrelevant

Just relevant in a bad way.

[Zachstar]

4. Disgusting Bill Disgusting!!

Bill do you have any idea how tense the race question is right now? How many people of different backgrounds feel they are being discriminated against?

And you say that crap?

Bill WTF man?! You can't even be made fun of anymore.

[tekisui]

5. I don't steal cars?

God, Bill, get a clue.

[Eurobabe]

7. Desperate losers. n/t

[Zachstar]

It is not just them now. Comments like his are going to hurt Democrats overall.

My god we are looking like a bunch of idiots!

Thanks for nothing Bill!

[Justitia]

256. I agree, this is really ugly for all of us. Ugh. -eom

[Zachstar]

296. Let us hope Clinton quickly apologizes for this

[City Lights]

Wow. He's really gone over the edge.

I've lost all respect for him.

:puke:

If you have a link to the video or a transcript, I'd love to see/read it.

on edit - Or, Bill, perhaps the next ad he'll run will say, "Vote for me, I'm not a pathological liar."

[tekisui]

11. Pair that with Hillary cracking under the Columbia question,

they are in a tail spin.

[City Lights]

41. I just saw a piece about that.

"How many angles dance on the head of a pin?" :wow:

[Hutzpa]

220. Twenty

:shrug:


They are trying to do the Irish jig, looks like they are failing at it.

:smoke:

[FatDave]

276. Are you sure that's not just a corkscrew landing?

No wait, you're right. It's a tailspin. An epic tailspin. There will soon be a new required Poli-Sci course called "How Not to Run a Campaign", and Exhibit A will be Clinton '08.

[Zachstar]

21. I lost respect for him weeks ago. This proves I made a good call.

But right now I am more or less in shock over this. I cannot see how he thought such a comment was going to do good.

Just think the chaos if McCain had said that?!

[City Lights]

44. It's been a slow, consistent progression for me.

The longer this primary drags on, the worse it gets. I'm too far gone now though.

[Zachstar]

82. Sad thing is how many people stood up for Clinton during the impeachment hearings.

Only to be treated to this garbage later from him.

[City Lights]

86. Not just impeachment, but all the Clinton-associated drama of the 90's.

I got into many arguments with family members and friends defending The Hill Bill. Looking back now I feel :blush:.

Never again.

The sun can't go down on them quickly enough for me.

[Zachstar]

104. I am very sorry that all that effort was for not.

I know it is off topic but seriously! In my view if that scandal did not break out I think we would be ending 8 years of good times with Gore and the nation would have NEVER gone to war and we would be well on our way to a better energy future.

So thanks Bill Clinton you screwed us over then in my view and you CONTINUE to screw us over today in my view!

[loyalsister]

233. He's our Joe Dimaggio only worse

Instead of walking away with a teary "say it isn't so" the first time he disappointed, many of us defended him.
Some want to vote for Hillary to get Bill back in the WH.
The only way he factors into my decision is as a negative.
It is a sad loss.

[SwampG8r]

131. all i can say is

Verse 1:

Ask me, baby, why I'm sad
You been out all night, know you been bad
Don't tell me different, know it's a lie
Come kill me, honey, see how I cry
Liar, liar, pants on fire
Your nose is longer than a telephone wire

Verse 2:

Why must you hurt me, do what you do
Listen here, girl, can't you see I love you
Make a little effort, try to be true
I'll be happy, not so blue

Liar, liar, pants on fire
Your nose is longer than a telephone wire

Verse 3:

If you keep on tellin' me those lies
Still goin' out with other guys
There'll come a day I'll be gone
Take my advice, won't be long
Liar, liar, pants on fire
Your nose is longer than a telephone wire

Verse 4:

When that day comes, won't be mad
Be free of you, but I'll still be sad
In spite of your cheatin', still love you so
I'll be unhappy if I let you go
Liar, liar, pants on fire
Your nose is longer than a telephone wire

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

295. Can you imagine both Hillary and Bill in the White House?

confusion, chaos, Bill making tons of money helping deals that Hillary "opposes"?

[tekisui]

8. I want to see that video.

And, I think the voters of PA and NC should see it, too.

Obama's next ad should be that clip.

[Eurobabe]

12. They have been running it on MSNBC this AM

[Zachstar]

15. Well then please record it!

[Eurobabe]

17. Can't, my TivO is 4500 miles

away from me, I Sling across the ocean. :hi:

[K Gardner]

20. Where the heck ARE you? !! LOL

[Eurobabe]

24. Bavaria.

And happier than a pig in a trough. :hi:

[K Gardner]

27. Bah.. just BAH ! (send pictures !!) Happy Yodeling? !

[Eurobabe]

34. Nature preserve down the street

And yes, it really is this beautiful here. I am an hour or two from some of the most superior ski areas in the world. :)

[K Gardner]

37. Now THAT made my day ! You lucky dawg, you.. enjoy the beauty and don't break a leg ! :-)

[eridani]

292. Mmmmmm! Maibock! Have one on me! n/t

[City Lights]

31. Thanks, I'll have to tune in. eom

[Zachstar]

13. Yes someone please post.

If you are a news archive person please turn on the recorders now.

I need to see the reports.

[K Gardner]

56. Video link now up in OP and here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn7Gq_8YxtE

[tekisui]

59. jeebus.

[City Lights]

91. Thanks for posting the video.

When I briefly tuned in to M$NBC they only showed/discussed BC's Bosnia lie.

[Kber]

61. No need to spend money on a clip

With Bill and co provicing the material for free.

KB

[Zachstar]

62. I highly doubt Obama is going to put this in a clip.

McCain will be QUICK to use it however and deal serious damage to her campaign that will likely with everything else they have dug up, cause a win for McCain come November.

[mmonk]

77. We in NC have seen this kind of politics before in the days of Jesse Helms.

[kevinmc]

14. Vote for Hillary - She Loves Donuts ...... n/t

[PoliticalAmazon]

212. She just doesn't like to pay for them. n/t

[undeterred]

16. From a man who lied and got BJs in the Oval.

[PoliticalAmazon]

213. I don't give a rat's patootie about the BJs, but I do care about his lies...

... I don't want another 4 years of the Clintons in the Oval Office. I don't think our country could survive it, not after 8 years of Bush Jr.

[DerekJ]

19. I've once really admired that person

[mrJJ]

22. New Video Yet?

I am sure theres going to be a new youtube video on this one.

BILL: And some of them when they're 60 they'll forget something when they're tired at 11:00 at night, too.

Again, with this 11:00 at night nonsense! Repeat after me Bill:

December 29, 2007
February 29, 2008
March 17, 2008 (2x)
None of them at 11PM. None!

Does he not realise what he's said? "And some of them when they're 60 they'll forget something when they're tired at 11:00 at night, too."

What the hell will they then do when they're answering the 3am phone?

[Zachstar]

23. They will not answer the 3am phone now.

His comments are going to be the comments that Sink the Clinton campaign. When a boat is flooded and overloaded you do not add in 5000 tons of BS.

This is NOT how I wanted it to go tho! Now Obama and the Democratic Party is going to have to deal with republican BS about "Well the Democrats don't really support Minority groups" or whatever!

[K Gardner]

26. Its coming up on MSNBC again. This is ugly and I wish the media would just ignore it.. I don't

see that we need another "race flareup" in this campaign.

And yes, Bill asserted she only made the Tuzla Misspeak .. once. When she was tired.

[4themind]

29. See that's the thing...

I'm not entirely certain that bill will view this as a negative thing, once certain voters are in the privacy of the voting booth. Kind of generating an "outrage to the outrage" thing

[Zachstar]

33. The media is not going to ignore it. And the way they will report it will harm the democratic party

Bill really screwed us over in my view.

[Eurobabe]

25. This line is NOT in the clip they are showing on MSNBC

It's in the other clip Bill bashing Obama's oil company commercial.

"Next thing I know we'll have an ad saying you gotta vote for me, I don't steal cars."

Just heard and saw it will my own ears and eyes.

Stupid move Bill.

[K Gardner]

30. I just heard it... it was in Vincennes.. the very last clip, just now played. Axelrod was

asked about it.

[Eurobabe]

32. Yep, I just saw it too. Disgusting.

[Zachstar]

35. So this isn't a joke :(

Crap, Just Crap. Now the Republicans have a big boost. and extra talking points.

Then again when democrats in the party continue to support Bill it sticks.

[Adelante]

40. What did Axelrod say about it?

[K Gardner]

43. He refused to comment, also. Said something about long since being unable

to figure out why Bill says the things he does, when asked about Bill's Tuzla remarks. But he didn't want to go into the 'stealing cars' comment.

[Skwmom]

47. Ask Wolfson what Bill intended, Obama wasn't a liar b/c Oil PACS can give

money. At least Axelrod was smart enough to see they were trying to paint Obama as a liar - kudos to him. And he was smart enough not to take the race bait.

[Eurobabe]

51. He basically said he

didn't understand why BC brought Tezla up again;

Stealing cars line? Axelrod's response when asked by Joe if there were any racial overtones to the clip: "I'm not going to commment on that."

He then turned the issue back to the oil prices, etc. Nice move David :thumbsup:

[Skwmom]

36. He wants a "free ad" painting Obama as a liar. He adds the car line so it will be constantly played

Plus, he can also raise a race controversy and remind people once again that Obama is the black candidate.

On edit: IMHO. I think there's also another issue he wants to raise but I won't post it here just in case that's not something they are already thinking about.

[K Gardner]

38. Well, in a nutshell I guess that's probably it.. unfortunately, you're most likely right. Sad.

[Zachstar]

39. How can that be. Clinton is going to lose lots of support over this.

How is getting a free ad going to do anything to help at this point?

[Skwmom]

42. B/C people will choose the liar they KNOW (Clinton) rather the one they don't (Obama)

Also, I'm sure they want to bring down Obama's trustworthiness percentage.

[Zachstar]

45. Then fuck why even be a democrat if that is the case (It is not thankfully)?!

Seriously if people vote based on that fear then the democratic party is doomed to fail in 2008

Thank god that wont happen tho.

[K Gardner]

48. I don't think it will. And the implications of what he said will HURT him. If we hadn't grown savvy

and weary of this tactic after S. Carolina, the populace (IMO) is tired off it and savvy to it now. They're not buying. The media will play it, yes, but REASONABLE people will see it for what it is. And the Clinton's will feel the backlash, like in S. Carolina.

The people this gutter politics plays to... would NEVER have voted for Obama anyway. So maybe they're shoring up their base.

[Skwmom]

53. IMHO Obama needs not to rise to the race bait and to hit back hard that he is not a liar about the

oil companies being able to donate to people. They do it through PACS rather than directly, big difference, but he needs to clarify this point again and again by his representatives and in any response ads. Otherwise, Clinton is saying one thing, Obama another and people will be left wondering who to believe (though in my opinion it's pretty obvious).

[loyalsister]

235. If he follows his own advice

and I think he will. The only thing he will do is throw out a line about people using stereotypes to try to scare people into not voting for one candidate or another.
The politics of division and distraction.

[Zachstar]

55. Whatever the idea was. It isn't helping anything.

While I agree that people are tired of this crap coming from the Clinton camp. Overall tho it may be alienating support for the democratic party.

I hope tho the blame goes fully where it belongs and does lot leech into the rest of the party.

[Kber]

120. Classic dark side politics

take your greatest weakness and paint your opponent with a similar charge. Rove didn't invent it.

[MethuenProgressive]

95. Obama *is* is liar - his ad claim is pure bullshit.

How stupid does BO think Pennsylvania voters are?

[cali]

103. bill clinton is the proven liar

and he's never stopped his disgusting stream of lies. no wonder the two of them stay together. they're both pathological liars.

[MethuenProgressive]

144. "I was conceived at a Civil Rights march in Selma Alabama" - BO

BO lies and lies and lies - and His followers love Him for it.

[PVnRT]

152. Too bad he never said that

[PVnRT]

147. Why? Because people who happen to work for oil companies donated to him?

Wait, of course you believe that bullshit. What was I thinking?

[4themind]

46. Just wow, does anyone know...

what he said right before this? thanks

[K Gardner]

50. No.. he talked at length about the PA ad, about how Obama was misleading

or untruthful.. the last time MSNBC ran it, it looked to me like they'd edited some of Bill's laughter and 'making fun' out and just ran the "car" line.

We really need to find the video. Obviously the media has it.

[Eurobabe]

57. He was talking about Obama's 'misleading'

ad about not taking any money from Oil companies. Said Obama was basically right, but added that no politician has taken oil money for decade. Then he launched into this condescending attempt to be humorous. :eyes:

[C_U_L8R]

70. Very simply.. the Clintons take PAC money

Obama doesn't.

The Clintons can try to twist it however they want
but it doesn't change this simple fact.

[Zachstar]

76. Which makes Bill talking about it that much worse for the Clinton Campaign.

[PA Democrat]

164. PAC money is pretty much corporate money.

The operational expenses of a corporate PAC can be funded by the corporation and the people contributing are stockholders and their families (owners of the corporation) and executives. In fact the average worker cannot contribute to the PAC.

[Divernan]

63. Willie at his slickest tried to obfuscate the link between Big Oil & Oil PACS

Kept going on how NOBODY has ever taken money from oil companies for 100 years because that would be illegal. Obama needs to put out an ad detailing the millions that BIG OIL lobbyists have pumped into the US political system.

[Zachstar]

65. That is a good point.

The fact that Bill even tried to use that topic as some kind of thing against Obama was doomed to fail anyway.

WTH is wrong with Bill anyway?

[Medusa]

52. Just when I think the Clintons can't stoop any lower

they do.

[Divernan]

66. You can take the good ole boys out of Arkansas, but they carry that snide racism deep inside them.

I say that as someone who spent her childhood in the south. The good ole boys know how to play that race card with faux humor. Slick Willie's no better than Carville, with his comment about an Arkansas woman who outed Bill for their affair: "Drag a hunnert dollar bill through a trailer park, there's no telling what you'll catch."

There's racism in the rest of the country too, but the South has it's own, very snide variation, and it's come to the surface in Bill Clinton. What an embarassment as a former chief of state that man is.

[Zachstar]

69. Just great the whole racism topic rears its ugly head again because of Bill.

[PBS Poll-435]

158. LOL...Right....

Didn't you know? The Clintons invented racism! It is all their fault.

Racial Profiling? - The Clinton's Fault
Inequality in Prison Sentencing? - The Clinton's Fault
Delay or complete lack of DNA testing for Rape Convicts? - The Clinton's Fault
Inner-City Crime - The Clinton's Fault
HMDA & CRA Mortgage Discrimination? - The Clinton's Fault
Shoot-First/Ask-Later Community Policing? - The Clinton's Fault

Actually...do you have a clue what racism is?

[jonestonesusa]

234. It would be nice if you addressed what Clinton said.

What do you think about Clinton's "offhand" remark? What motivated him to say it? You use exaggeration in your post, and do not divulge what you think about it - instead questioning others' motivations for being outraged. Instead of attacking others, why not make an argument about what you think?

As a black voter, I'm accustomed to race-baiting in all its forms, including what Bill Clinton has done over the years, including in the current campaign. It doesn't make him into either angel or devil, because racism is institutional in American society - it's a part of mass communication, it's embedded in our language, it's social as well as individual. No single individual is responsible for it, of course. But if I'm voting for a party or person to serve my interests, I will consider their level of understanding of racial issues based on what they say as well as their policies, and I will notice coded appeals to racist beliefs in the context of politics. It's the oldest trick in a Southern Democrat's book to divide and conquer working classes by race, and as long as we the people tolerate it, it will continue.

[PBS Poll-435]

250. I disagree on all points

[FunkyLeprechaun]

64. That is disgusting

I wonder why there aren't any of the Hillary supporters in this thread.

I've lost respect for this man. If he wants to keep onto a shred of dignity he should just butt out of his wife's campaign but he's showing himself to be a closet racist.

I hope there's an avalanche of SDs towards Obama's way now.

[Zachstar]

67. It is strange I have not noticed many Clinton supporters in this thread.

Meantime I noticed Pro-Clinton Anti-Obama topics getting bumped at a more rapid rate.

Clinton supporters you arent going to be able to pass this topic as "a nonstory" you will have to face this.

[Divernan]

71. Cause they can't separate HRC from Slick Willie - picture him back in the White House!

She couldn't control him then, when he was deep in debt. Now he's really out of control. In addition to the income he declares for the IRS, how many millions do you think he's had his shady friends in Columbia, the UAE and the various former Soviet republics stash away for him in Swiss and Grand Cayman accounts. The $$$ he makes offshore, stay offshore.

[K Gardner]

72. They had to run back to the Mother Ship for orders. They'll be back, trust me :-)

[SoFlaJet]

90. I liked Two Sparkles calling

them the Flying Monkey Brigade-Mother Ship is pretty good too KG...I suppose we'll be inundated today with TP threads saying Obama is a liar because he said..blah blah blah...oil company money...blah...blah...blah. You guys KNOW they're coming.

[K Gardner]

218. You called it ! Check down thread, LOL.

[SoFlaJet]

252. It has almost become like a game KG

without going to a Clinton to board try and figure out what the marching orders for the day are...I've gotten really good at it-kind of like when you do crossword puzzles and start to know who they mean by a clue like; baseball's Mel _ _ _

[MethuenProgressive]

99. Most are probably at work.

Good for Bill, calling BO on his latest bullshit!!

[XemaSab]

165. Here, I'll post the obligatory H****** response and save them the trouble:

"OBAMA'S PLAYING THE RACE CARD!!111 I don't want a president who hates white people!!1! Anyway, he'll never win any white votes, being a car thief and all!!11 Maybe "they'll" nominate a car thief in Mississippi, but this is why he lost the God-fearing Union vote in Ohio!!!1 If he is our nominee we'll carry the car thief vote, and nobody else (certainly not any white people)!11!!1!"

There. :P

[JVS]

68. Maybe he'll say "vote for me, I don't fuck interns" and then what will Bill be able to say?

[Tennessee Gal]

73. I say you are a jerk.

To bring this up here.

[Zachstar]

79. Jerk? What about the Damage done to the democratic party in the sex Scandal?

Where only major democratic work and funds kept him from being removed which didn't matter anyway because the results of that helped Gore lose in 2000.

We endured 8 years of Bush which likely would not have happened if that scandal wasn't on peoples mind when they had a chance to vote for the democratic candidate in 2000.

[tigereye]

171. lack of any evidence of real wrong-doing kept him from being removed

many people loved him despite his faults. Gas was also really cheap at the time - there was no way he was going to be removed from office.


You can't blame all of Gore's loss (he did win the popular vote, remember) on Clinton

[damonm]

242. The reason Clinton wasn't booted was...

the fact that there weren't 67 Rethugs in the Senate. If there had been, you can bet your bottom dollar Bill would've been out.

[PBS Poll-435]

196. What was Kerry's excuse?

[PoliticalAmazon]

229. The worst: Even when involved in Paula Jones lawsuit, started Nookiegate...

...with Monica Lewinsky.

That put us all through an even WORSE situation than the PJ scandal,and totally derailed the Democrats ability to get anything done.

[PoliticalAmazon]

230. Correction: Clinton is the jerk. At least comment about Clinton...

...is true. Clinton's comment about OBama is not.

[PoliticalAmazon]

226. That's a selling point for me. Enough of the Clinton drama and trauma to our nation. n/t

[Justitia]

257. You know what? Bill totally deserves that one today, so I'm totally fine LOLing! -eom

[UALRBSofL]

74. The reason I'm glad this was reported in such a way is

That the Obama camp has spoken to the media about the Clinton's being racists. For real, they have claimed the Clinton's racism about every other week, and, people are beginning to relate all the racism talk to the Boy Who Cried Wolf one too many times. And a poll taken between last night and today reflects it wasn't racism by a margin of 2 to 1. By the time we get to the GE I believe people will be tired of the racism reported by the media about the Clinton's and the Obama camp leaking the racism messages to them. The other thing that came from BigDog yesterday people are talking about is the ad Obama pulled yesterday about the oil companies. No matter how Obama and Axelrod explained his vote, the central theme was that Obama voted to give the oil companies big tax breaks. I'm saying that's all the general public hear when the issue comes up, they have selective hearing when it comes to taxes. It was nice of Axelrod to pull that ad. Also, I'm glad BigDog brought the topic up because Axelrod was being disingenuous.

[jonestonesusa]

265. UALRBSofl, find one example where Obama's camps has said that the Clintons are racist.

I challenge you to find and post an example to support the key point in your post, "the Obama camp has spoken to the media about the Clintons being racist." If there's no evidence of this, it shouldn't be repeated, because it's a false charge.

What the Obama camp has done is object to Clinton's campaign making racially charged remarks, not the same as calling the Clintons racist. Repeatedly, the Clinton campaign has made politically charged references to Obama's racial identity, such as in the South Carolina primary remarks, MLK remarks, the BET president's remarks, via Ferraro, the faux outrage over Rev. Wright, stealing cars, etc. On balance, it does not even benefit the Obama camp to make the election about race, because it leads to a backlash among white voters and it dilutes the message of a campaign that has focused on our collective identity as Americans. From the beginning, the Obama campaign faced the risk of derailing its national campaign if it challenged Clinton's support among African Americans in any way that was out of bounds (remember when black voters supported Clinton?). Maybe some think it is out of bounds for Obama campaign to publicize the remarks about race by Clinton and her surrogates, but Obama's campaign didn't make them up.

Beyond responding to Clinton's charges, Obama's camp has no real incentive to center the campaign in a racial direction - once Obama established name recognition and a chance to win, he was bound to get a fair hearing among black voters in the primaries. However, the Clinton campaign has intentionally used the tactic of "playing the race card," everyone's favorite cliche at this point. BTW, it doesn't take an Obama campaign memo for committed black progressives to become incensed over Clinton's tactics - they are capable of making this judgment on their own. It doesn't even surprise me that some Democrats want to excuse Clinton's tactics, because there is a lot of strong partisanship in this race, and some Democrats are uneasy with the possibility of a black candidate at the top of the ticket. But the "quit complaining and vote for me" mentality among many white Democrats toward black voters needs to change, and the black community's views on the constant race baiting of the Clinton campaign needs to be respected, not as "groupthink" generated by Obama, but as a visceral response to these tactics that can contribute to a Democratic loss in November. If the Clintons had avoided making these coded appeals to racist sentiments, we wouldn't be having this conversation now, we'd be talking about other issues.

[kdpeters]

75. What would the Obama campaign do with out Bill Clinton out there?

No other single person has been more beneficial to Obama's numbers than Bill Clinton.

[Evergreen Emerald]

78. I Can see the media headlines now..."drunk in the alley saw Bill Clinton steal a car"

And then 24/7 coverage about how Bill Clinton is a thief and the right-wing attack machine was right all along.

And then OU will dance and sing all night because the have more ammunition to attack Hillary Clinton.

And then people will be outraged that Chelsea Clinton would refuse to answer a question about it...how dare she snub someone who just wants to know what it feels like to live with someone who is such a crook.



And repeat and repeat and it becomes truth. Despite the fact that it is not. No one cares about the truth.

[Name removed]

80. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[FunkyLeprechaun]

81. What do you think of Clinton

implying that all black people steal cars?

Trying to spin it positively for Clinton, I see...

[UALRBSofL]

87. I think it's funny as hell because I missed the part you posted from BigDog

And no one is listening to the racism claims from Obama any more. LOL :rofl:
No reason to spin anything about what BigDog said. Also, I don't care what your opinion is and I will quote you, "all black people steal cars", which is not true, but, I believe your insecurities and partisanship is showing. Now, I'm through with your racist posts. You should be ashamed.

[SoFlaJet]

109. I guess you missed the whole

"I'm not gonna comment on that" part from David Axelrod this morning

[UALRBSofL]

122. Do you think BigDog is racist when he also said

Hillary rob a bank or is that acceptable to you? So, since he stated Obama steal a car and Hillary rob a bank then Bill is being racists to both candidates. So, people will have to make up there own mind if Bill is a racist for calling the candidates thieves.

[SoFlaJet]

128. I have no idea what's in a person's heart

that I don't know personally...all we can do is judge them by their words and actions, and Bill Clinton (who was once a hero of mine) is making himself look bad UALRB

[Zachstar]

89. Evergreen Emerald I am adding you to my Ignore list

DU is a democratic forum that has shown itself to be neutral to the candidates. Saying so otherwise is libel and an insult in my view and you have lost my respect.

[Window]

105. Huh??

:wtf:

[Catherina]

126. No need to make anything up about the Clintons when the truth does quite nicely

[Bonobo]

83. At least he said "cars" not "hubcaps".

Butit is bad. Bad.

[K Gardner]

85. Arghh ! You do have a point there !

[BeyondGeography]

84. That's bad...even for Bill

the most embarassing ex-President of modern times.

[stevietheman]

88. This is now obvious racism coming from the Clinton camp.

They are indeed VERY desperate now.

[Zachstar]

92. Or he is angry. I do not know and do not care. The overall effect is the democratic party is damaged

I wonder if Bill will Apologize at once for this.

[workinclasszero]

93. The Clinton's are done,

a spent force. They are like the dinosaurs who didn't know they were going extinct until it was to late.

I hope their 20th century inbred racism and lying ways go with them.

But obviously the Clinton's will not leave the world stage in a dignified manner but in the worst sort of hillbilly white trash way you can imagine.

It isn't, and wont be pretty. The democratic convention will be a three ring circus with Bill and Hill as the ringleaders I'm afraid.



"I don't steal cars, vote for me."

Really Bill?:puke:

[Zachstar]

96. At this point I HIGHLY doubt the supers will let this go to the convention the way things are.

My view is that another few months of this crap and the democratic party will be in political pieces well into 2010.

[JVS]

271. Try 2016. There is no way we're going to be able to function for 2012 if we don't win this one.

The Clintons have been spending way too much effort trashing the primary process. Between the FL MI issue of a calender that if Dean budges on now, we'll never have a holdable schedule, and then the attempt to deligitimize the use of caucuses, trying to organize a primary in 2012 is going to be almost impossible.

[QC]

98. "inbred"?, "hillbilly white trash"?

I just love it when "progressives" sound like indignant Charleston dowagers bemoaning those vulgar nouveau riche who have taken over the club!

[workinclasszero]

110. Oh please forgive me!

I mean come on, it ain't like I take blood money from south american fascist government killers like Bill.

Hillary would just laugh!

[ginnyinWI]

142. They must not have noticed the change in the electorate.

Since Bush 43 we, the Democratic electorate are more than sick of politics as usual, and hungry for real change. Not just saying it, but doing it. Obama is walking the walk, not only talking, not only saying words. The Clintons are far too politically jaded to understand this. They are preaching to a choir that isn't there any more. Not most of us, anyway. They offer smoke and mirrors, while Obama offers straight answers and transparency.

Given that choice, it's easy to see why Obama is ahead, despite their entrenched power and long-time connections. There are enough of us older progressives who have jumped at the chance to support a candidate free of the taint of big money. And most if not all of the younger ones naturally gravitate toward his idealism, because he's made it a reality in this campaign.

[MethuenProgressive]

94. ZING!! Bill nails Obama on phoney claim!! WTG, Bil!!

Is Obama REALLY running an ad that says "I din't take money from oil companies"???
What fucking idiot told BO that was going to fool anyone??
:rofl:

[stevietheman]

101. So you're saying "Yay! Racism!" -- mmmm-k. n/t

n/t

[MethuenProgressive]

102. Typical Obama follower: "Support my candidate or I'll call you a racist"

What a silly bunch you are.

[Hugabear]

112. So talking about a black candidate, and saying "at least he doesn't steal cars" - isn't racist?

Uh-huh.

[lumberjack_jeff]

132. Much the same way calling a female candidate a whore is not sexist.

I'm not sure which is worse, the circling of the wagons around Randi or the full-scale Drudge-esque assault on Bill Clinton.

[XemaSab]

169. When did Barack or Michelle call Hillary a whore?

:shrug:

I'll just sit here and wait for a link...

[MethuenProgressive]

133. When getting caught in a lie so upsets you, that you look for a reason to call someone a racist....

Obama's boast that he doesn't take money from oil companies shows he thinks Pennsylvania voters are stupid. You hate that he got caught lying about himself *again*, so you want to attack people. Hate is a self-inflicted poison. Stop Hating.

[Hugabear]

134. Please explain to us exactly how Obama takes money from oil companies

It's already been shown that he doesn't, so I'm curious how you'll prove that he does. Got any proof?

[MethuenProgressive]

139. Paint, NOBODY tales money from oil companies. Obama's TV ad boasting He doesn't is BS.

It's been illegal for a century to take money from oil companies.
Obama's TV ad is Hoping PA voters can be fooled.

[Hugabear]

149. But candidates DO take money from Oil PACs

Obama doesn't.

[kennetha]

170. Different point

THat's what he should have said.

But he takes money from Oil executives. That's why he voted for Cheny's oil bill. Not a very progressive thing to do.

[futureliveshere]

119. It is a racist remark which belongs in the distant past.

I am sorry but I have to disagree with the people who don't believe that this will happen. Bill and Hillary are highly admired politicians with a devoted support group. Anything and everything they say will be listened to and followed by these people and casting doubts on the honesty of your party colleague without backing it up with facts and figures is DISHONEST and DISINGENUOUS. This also follows their past instances of knee-capping Barack with incorrect interpretations and statements and then refusing to admit it- NAFTA in Ohio anyone?

Fact check has already rubbished the Clintonian claim that Obama is receiving money for big industries and lobbyists. He is in fact receiving money from the employees of these companies who are donating to his grassroots, bottom up campaign in the same manner as I have donated.

[Tatiana]

127. I don't understand the thought process that allows one to conclude Bill's comments

"nail" Obama. The only thing they do is incite resentment and anger. Once again, when Hillary seems to be making progress, he comes out and says something stupid and divisive.

[MethuenProgressive]

135. He nailed Obama for lying about himself *again*

This "oooo Bill's a racist" baloney is just the usual bluster that happens when ever Obama's taking hits.

[my3boyz]

182. It makes me sad that people like you live in the United States let alone are so called democrats! nt

[zulchzulu]

97. I need to take a shower after watching Slick...

What an ass.

[Zachstar]

100. The whole party will need a shower at this rate.

I am still in shock BTW. I expected Bill to get heated again at some meeting but not this!

WTF!

[HughBeaumont]

106. Well, so now the right AND the moderates are in on the fun!?!?!

First we have McClown introduced with the statement "You can keep your Tiger Woods. We have Senator McCain", which was not even meant to compare Obama to a dominant golfer, but as an underhanded dig; as if to say "you can keep your great BLACK hope".

Now we got Bill "never met a Republican economic policy I didn't agree with" Clinton pulling THIS shit?

UNbelievable. Is he intentionally TRYING to sabotage his wife's campaign? Is he intentionally TRYING to make the Democratic party look bad?

[Zachstar]

107. I hope not. But it is having that effect in my view.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

116. RE "Is he intentionally TRYING to sabotage his wife's campaign?" I've been thinking so for weeks.

Bill's just not this stupid. He's putting up a good show stumping tirelessly for Hillary but it's like he wants to get her close to the nomination but no cigar, as it were.

[DeschutesRiver]

136. I don't think he is that stupid either

I tried to make some excuses for this crap months ago, but believe there is no need to anymore. He's making it clear enough that it is deliberate. I think it is his anger getting the best of him, and then he blurts out some gem from his nasty thug side - means the comment, hopes it sways someone, probably regrets getting pissed off and doing it ONLY if it blows back on him.

He had a bad attitude (late for so many important appts. - a disrepectful form of "neener neener, you can't tell ME what to do" childishness),a nasty temper and a whinning mouth on him while he was our president, in addition to doing anything it took to be the center of attention and "popular", including causing quite a bit of the mess we are in today so that people felt "good" about the illusory prosperity (along with our current creepy administration) but was a master at keeping it hidden. As he should - I don't care too much about that sort of thing, probably because if I start ruling out temper fits and unstableness, there won't be any candidates from which to choose. I am certain the only regret he will have over these suggestively racist remarks, right before the PA vote, is if they backfire on him. As long as any voters nod their heads and go "yeah, bro, know just what ya mean, wink, wink", he'll be happy he shot one off for the team. I expect a whole bunch more of this from him in the next week up to the election eve - and worse in nature. He better be careful - it did backfire in another state, and I am hoping that it will send these two losers way down the tube in PA. Even if not, the math has done them in.

Bill Clinton wants the WH so badly he can taste it - he doesn't give a carp that it will be Hillary's WH, because no matter how he gets there, he wants it all back for himself. The power, the glory, the good damn good times rolling for him and his good friends. If there wasn't a term limit, he'd have run against or in place of Hillary.

[Divernan]

154. Between this racist remark and pulling the scab off the Tuzla landing again, Bill

is doing his damndest to drag his wife's campaign down. As one psychologist commented in another blog:

"I have been suspecting this for some time. Everytime Hillary pulls out of some hole, Bill opens his mouth and kicks her right back in. We call this in the pyschology field: passive aggressive, narcissistic personality disorder. They both suffer from it but he is the king. He really does not want her to be president, NO matter what ya'll think."

[L0oniX]

108. Yes, and we Clinton's do not lie.

[Zachstar]

111. I wish I could find that funny. But knowing what a can of worms Bill's comment will open I can't

This sucks. I hope Bill will quickly Apologize.

[SoFlaJet]

113. Denounce and reject

denounce and reject...

[TexasObserver]

114. Bill has become a parody of himself.

He's literally a joke now, a punchline.

That story of him taking $450,000 of $1.5 mil a charity raised pretty much sums up who Bill Clinton has become. He's the George HW Bush of the Clinton dynasty.

[Hugabear]

115. Prove Bill Clinton said that or you're a liar! ;)

Just because you have a video showing Bill Clinton saying that, doesn't mean he actually said it! I can't believe some of you nasty, dirty, filthy, disgusting, trashy, sub-human Obama types. You folks absolutely make me sick posting videos of The Great One. Anyone can watch that video and tell that he clearly did not say what you say he said. It's a lie.

Stop picking on Bill and Hillary!

:sarcasm:

[futureliveshere]

117. This is a disgusting remark and only re-inforces racial stereotypes.

I am sorry but I have to disagree with the people who don't believe that this will happen. Bill and Hillary are highly admired politicians with a devoted support group. Anything and everything they say will be listened to and followed by these people and casting doubts on the honesty of your party colleague without backing it up with facts and figures is DISHONEST and DISINGENUOUS. This also follows their past instances of knee-capping Barack with incorrect interpretations and statements and then refusing to admit it- NAFTA in Ohio anyone?

Fact check has already rubbished the Clintonian claim that Obama is receiving money for big industries and lobbyists. He is in fact receiving money from the employees of these companies who are donating to his grassroots, bottom up campaign in the same manner as you and I have donated.

edited for a typo.

[Zachstar]

124. Well let us hope that Bill will apologize so the damage is minimal.

[newmajority]

118. Bill, for Christ's sake, just shut the fuck up already.

It's getting to the point where I'm embarrassed that I campaigned for you in 92 and 96. :puke:

[Zachstar]

121. You know normally I am against that kind of tone. But as this afffects the democratic party I agree.

And Bill needs to apologize in my view.

[Hugabear]

123. What's disgusting is watching the Hillbots defend this bullshit

It's like a Pavlovian instinct. They just can't help themselves but to defend this sort of stuff. Not only that, but then they'll turn around and attack us for bringing this stuff up. You see, this sort of post is an unprovoked attack on the Chosen One.

[FunkyLeprechaun]

130. Ditto

I campaigned for him for the YDFL in 1996 (I was too young to really campaign in 1992). I didn't vote for him as I was 3 years under the voting age but I did what I could for him in my HS club.

One of my friends back in 1996 was a die hard Republican and she had a t-shirt of Clinton as the Lion King but the title above his head said, "The Liar King." I defended him back then. It's getting harder and harder to defend Bill and even Hillary now when they say statements like these.

Ugh.

They really dragged themselves through the mud this time.

[Bolo Boffin]

175. I have to agree with you here.

I'm really getting disappointed here.

[Nedsdag]

129. I believe Kurt Andersen of New York Magazine said it best:

Bill may believe sincerely that Hillary would make the better president. However, I agree with the suggestion that what’s driving him is not so much spousal loyalty as his own desperate narcissism, less a determination to get Hillary in the White House than to keep Obama out of it. How dare Obama say, he whined, that Reagan “had a more lasting impact on America than I did”? Indeed, an Obama presidency would be an unacceptable affront to Bill Clinton’s sense of his own historic gloriousness, for Obama is the new, highly improved version of Bill Clinton. Like Clinton in 1992, Obama is the thoughtful, oratorically brilliant 46-year-old new-style progressive who seems more pragmatist than ideologue. Whereas Clinton in 1998 was called “the first black president” in a metaphorical, mack-daddy sense—for his pleasure-loving appetites that had run afoul of the Man—Obama would be the post-ironic real thing. Obama’s speech about race was, among other things, a sublime and successful feat of political triangulation—which no doubt redoubled Clinton’s jealousy about the new guy’s stealing his act.
For Bill, it’s all about Bill. It was obviously the same desperate competitiveness with Obama that led Clinton, for instance, to concoct his revisionist history of their respective positions on the invasion of Iraq. He, Bill Clinton, “opposed Iraq from the beginning,” while Obama’s bona fide claims of opposition are “the biggest fairy tale that I have ever seen.”

[Poll_Blind]

137. That's nasty shit. n/t

PB

[Colobo]

140. Bill Clinton is becoming nasty shit.

[Poll_Blind]

146. More and more, I realize I may never understand who the Clintons really are/were.

  Their choices...are abhorrent. Egregious.

PB

[kennetha]

138. Obamaniacs are True Maniacs

Saying that Clinton is playing the race card with this remark is sheer -- I can't think of a word to describe it. It must be a kind cult induced lunacy.

Bill Clinton was obviously RIDICULING Obama by pointing out that IT"S OBVIOUS that he doesn't take money from oil companies because IT"S ILLEGAL to do so. STEALING CARS is illegal too. You don't see him running an ad saying HEY GUESS WHAT. I DON"T STEAL CARS.

NO POLITICIAN STEALS CARs. NO POLITICIANS TAKE MONEY from OIL COMPANIES>

Do you really NOT get the parallel, OBAMANATION?

You know what I think is going on here, maybe. Obamanuts reason like this (well, if you can call what they do reasoning).

Bill or HIllary or somebody criticizes Barack. Obamaphiles think St Obama is above all criticism. They regard all criticism as sacrilege against their idol. They also seem to assume that any criticism of Obama MUST be an appeal to white rednecks. So they see racialized subtexts everywhere.

Of course, they are often the one's doing the racializing. It's sort of a Freudian reaction-formation kind of thing.

[MethuenProgressive]

141. They know, they know. But BO was caught in a lie, and calling BC a racist has worked before...

so why stop now?

[DemGa]

148. I agree, they must be aware -- but they see an angle to pursue -- NT

[PBS Poll-435]

151. The goal of the Obama campaign isn't to win...

It is to destroy African-Americans loyalty to the Democratic Party.

[Nedsdag]

172. Have you lost your f--king mind?

"Destroying African-American loyalty?"

Call me back when the Space Shuttle has landed.

OK, Hillbots. If you truly hate and despise Obama like you say you do, then choose among the three items:

1. Vote for McCain.
2. Sit on your asses and let McCain waltz into the White House.
3. STFU!

[PBS Poll-435]

197. I said nothing about Obama

I like the guy. It his is campaign that I take issue with.

Much like you don't like the Clinton campaign, right? You still like the Clintons right?

[Nedsdag]

201. What's to like?

They're easily wearing out whatever good will I once had for them.

[Zachstar]

273. I no longer like the Clintons.

[PBS Poll-435]

275. Good for you...

Probably never did though.

[newmajority]

176. You mean "loyalty" to the Clintons?

Which never actually existed, of course. But the Clintons assumed that the old media spin about Bill being "the first black president" would be enough. Of course all the racist bullshit coming from Markkk Penn, Geraldine Ferraro, and various local campaign chairs (and some of the Hillbots here, for that matter) certainly hasn't helped them.

[PBS Poll-435]

180. Yep...

What a bunch of racists!

You nailed it.

Racists, all of them!

Feel better?

[Nedsdag]

187. I always felt fine.

It's mental midgets like you I worry about. Did you take your Xanax yet?

It's no wonder Obama's behind in Pennsylvania with people such as yourself among the voting populice.

[PBS Poll-435]

194. Oh my god.

Do you really believe that? Any of it?

Obama is behind in Pennsylvania because $$$ can't buy love. Real Democrats like the Clintons and are not easily swayed by the "flavor of the month." Keep calling them racists though...

Pennsylvania is a Democratic State with a Democratic Governor and Democratic Mayors in the big cities. They are backing Clinton. Philadelphia Mayor Nutter - what are your thoughts on him?

[Nedsdag]

200. The Clintons are "Real Democrats?"

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Boy, did you walk into that one!

As for Nutter and the other PA Democratic officials, be careful what you wish for regarding the Clintons. They're the ones patting you on the back while pissing on your leg at the same time.

[PBS Poll-435]

202. Ohhh....You Can't Read :-(

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

"Real Democrats like the Clintons and are not easily swayed by the "flavor of the month."


Never did I say that the Clintons are "read Democrats." People see what they want to see, I guess.

[Nedsdag]

211. My apologies.

n/t

[Zachstar]

272. Adding you to my ignore list, prodn2000

Your Comment about Obama was in my view that of a nutjob who needs professional mental help in my view.

We are democrats not damn conspiricy theory central. How could you say such crap?

Adding you to ignore list!

[PBS Poll-435]

274. How dare I...The nerve!

Look at his supporters and get back to me.

[Cha]

287. Oh Bullshit..there's all this evidence to

the contrary and you come up with some stupid jerkoff post to let everyone know just how long you've been kept in the closet.

[Bolo Boffin]

174. Please call Barack Obama by his name.

As per Skinner's recent guidelines.

"Senator Obama" or "Barack Obama" will be just fine.

[MethuenProgressive]

177. Alert me.

For using "BO" and "BC" to fit them into the subject line.
:nopity:

[QC]

244. In the future, please be properly reverent when discussing the Obamessiah.

Thank you.

[Bolo Boffin]

245. It's not being reverent, but civil.

You should look into it yourself.

[QC]

246. Is it uncivil to refer to FDR, JFK, and LBJ? n/t

[Bolo Boffin]

249. Why don't you check Skinner's recent guidelines and see?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5447295&mesg_id=5447295

Call the candidates by their appropriate names: Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, or Senator Clinton and Senator Obama.

[Voltaire]

145. You are missing the context AND the point

I hope it it unintentional.

[kennetha]

168. Explain to me the context?

That looney-tunes Obama supporters see racialized subtexts everywhere? That they can't admit that their man did anything stupid?

The analogy that Bill Clinton was making is so OBVIOUS that you're failure to acknowledge says much more about you than it does about him.

THere is no more point making an ad praising yourself for not taking money from oil companies than there is making an ad praising yourself for not stealing cars. Both are illegal; no politician would do either; its as odd to make an ad saying I don't take Oil company money as it would be to make an ad saying I don't steal cars.

Now where exactly is the race-baiting in this? Explain yourself!

I think it's really in you. You must think that it's black people who steal cars. or you must think that Bill mentioned stealing cars because you think that the people who might vote for Hillary are the kinds of people who think that Black people steal cars. Or something.

But man what a stretch!!!

[Voltaire]

181. There are a lot of dumbasses that think black people steal cars

Okay? Bill Clinton knows that and he knew it when he said it. And you know it too, you are being purposely obtuse. Which is why Clinton supporters often irk the hell out of me.

But I'm black. I might be more attuned to the slight than you are. Just sayin.

[kennetha]

183. I'm black too.

There is nothing racial about this remark. You're supplying the racial fuel. You think that because Obama is black anything said negatively about him must be interpreted as a comment on his race as if all there is to him is his race. But you are the one making it that way.

[Voltaire]

217. That comes from living in America I suppose, ya think?

The combination of images in his statement is unmistakable, whether I add fuel to it or not. And I don't have to, Clinton's words speak for themselves, he's not stupid. Its the same shit he pulled in South Carolina. It may well be true that he is not a racist. But he is willing to use the language when it suits him and his wife, which is worse. You know, being the first Black president and all.

That doesn't fit your paradigm, so I wouldn't expect agreement from you.

[psychopomp]

299. Just more Clinton "spade work"

[MethuenProgressive]

237. The context is: DU's Obama Supporters hear "Steals Cars" they think "Black Guy,"

:sarcasm:

[futureliveshere]

150. OK, how is it illegal to take money from OIL Companies? ITS A CHOICE MADE BY THE CANDIDATE.

And thats the whole point to this story. Equating that to stealing the car is NOT KOSHER.

[MethuenProgressive]

167. future, it's illegal becuase its against the law. It's not a "choice".

Obama's TV ad lies to PA voters.

[futureliveshere]

215. Ok, I meant the OIL PACS & Lobbyists. There happy? You know very well thats what Obama means!!!

The Clintons are up to the old sly wink, spread-the-poison game of theirs.

[Marnieworld]

185. But Obama said I do not take money from oil PACS and lobbyists

Which is the legal way that campaigns get money from oil companies and that McCain and Clinton do take money from oil companies that was the point.

I live in PA I see the commercials I know what he said and so does Bill and he is twisting the meaning to deflect a real point.

There are many crimes to use as a metaphor but he chose one that could clearly have racial tones. For a man who can find nuance in the semantics of the word "is" I doubt that the phrase was chosen randomly or unconsciously.

[kennetha]

188. He started saying Oil Pacs and Lobbyists

After he got nailed on saying Oil Companies.

He pulled the ad because of it.

You are injecting race where there is nothing to do with race. Are you obsessed with race?? or is it that you tell yourself that everybody else is obsessed with race to disguise your own obsession from yourself.

[Marnieworld]

I saw the ad last night

I don't know when it was pulled or if it was.

You also ignored my point that there are many crimes that he could have used as a comparison but he used one that could be racial. But "vote for me I'm not an insider trader" doesn't have the tone he was going for, for the voters he was trying to nudge.

I am not obsessed with race. The Clintons bring it up with the Ferraro comment and his SC quote about Jesse Jackson. It's kind of old school politics and I didn't invent it with some obsession.

[kennetha]

206. I just know that Axelrod

this morning said that they have pulled the ad. Maybe yesterday was the last day of it running.

But you ARE being obsessed with race. You can't take his use of "not being a car thief" at face value as what it is obviously intended to be. It's obviously intended merely to ridicule Barack claim in that ad that he deserves a vote because he doesn't do something illegal.

Now you're putting in some unwritten law that says that if you are going to make that point you have to make sure not to use an analogy that might possibly be interpreted by some ill-willed uncharitable person as having racial overtones.

You're suggesting that if someone doesn't go tip-toeing around all possible (even wildly implausible) racialized misreading of things that he/she says, then that person is "injecting race."

I think it's the over-racialized sort of thought and word police who actually doing the race-baiting.

And I'm very disturbed by this tendency among Obama supporters to put absolutely everything in racialized terms. I thought you folks were supposed to favor race-transcendence. I think you do but only when it suits your political purposes. When it suits your purposes to do otherwise, you can race-bait with the best and most subtle of them.

Like I said in a different post, it's sort of Freudian reaction-formation thing.

[Marnieworld]

221. but that arguement is based on a lie

Clinton is lying when he said that the ad stated that he wants your vote that because he didn't do something illegal (taking money from oil companies). Obama's ad said that he didn't take money from PACS or lobbyists something legal. So first you have to twist what he said to make it imply that he said something incorrect (I don't take illegal donations) then come up with the comparison(I don't steal cars). The whole arguement is based on a twisting and reinterpretation of what he said was that you cannot trust Hillary or McCain because they are bought by Big Oil. Clinton and now you use racism or lack of it as a deflection from this point.

First they tried to twist it by saying because he accepts money from EMPLOYEES that means that he was wrong in the ad. But that is not the same as what he said. Now they are saying the ad was wrong because he doesn't take money from the companies themselves which is not the same as what he said. It seems that there's an awful lot of coming up with new ways of describing what he said than actually responding to what he said. Is it because there is no response? No defense?

It's as ridiculous as saying that even though I am entitled to $400K from a lobbyist for Colombian trade I am not influenced by that money. That money has no effect on influence. Then why is there lobbying at all if it didn't help?

But of course they don't discuss any of this. They just say he said something he didn't in two different ways and then say something designed to be controversial so no one, including us, is actually getting them to explain how they are influenced by the money. Genius if you ask me. But not something I respect and I am so disappointed in The Clintons now because of this.

[Lucky 13]

208. Video link of true maniac.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGeQ6dxGMFA

[Justitia]

255. Defending the Indefensible, you've lost perspective. -eom

[DemGa]

143. Except there was no "whisper/code word campaign"

Unless you're counting the smear campaign/accusations of racism against the Clintons. I understand the extent to which this narrative has been pushed -- but that does not make it "fact" as it is routinely woven into discourse.

And this advancing a conclusion based on conjecture has been rampant from campaign BO itself -- it's very slick and dishonest.

[K Gardner]

153. "Slick and Dishonest".. yes, describes the Clintons to a T.

[K Gardner]

155. Notice what happened about halfway through this thread when the Clinton Supporters "showed up"..

Obama is a racist
Obama's campaign is smearing Bill Clinton as a racist.. etc, etc., ad nauseum
Obama is a LIAR !

The same meme they tried in S. Carolina. Didn't work then, won't work now.. the Clintons harm themselves once again and rabid supporters defend them.

No one notes that Obama's campaign didn't make the disgusting remark, in fact, they refused to comment.
The MSM is pushing this, not Obama.

[Marnieworld]

156. Man I can't believe this! I used to love Bill Clinton so much, but now?

The obvious, cringe inducing racism aside of this, is there any truth to his arguement or is that another lie or shading of the truth. I live in PA and see the commercial that he is commenting on and Obama doesn't just say "I don't take money from oil companies." He says I don't take money from lobbyists and PACs connected to oil companies. So here Bill is saying that Obama is a liar and an idiot and of course what he is saying is ludicrous because it's illegal and no one gets a check made out to them from an oil company's account.

But is it true that Hillary and McCain do not take money from PACS and lobbyists connected to oil or is what Obama said accurate and this is the same old Clinton lying machine. the meaning of is is etc. Semantic games hoping to get idiot's votes?

But of course I'm livid about the stealing cars comment. It is beyond the pale, shameful for an ex-president to say. I'd expect it from George Bush but Clinton weighs every word and knows exactly what he is saying.

[truebrit71]

157. Wow. That is amazing....what's next, jokes about fried chicken and water-melons?

...I am amazed at that statement...

[kennetha]

161. Are you suggesting that All or Most black people steal cars?

Are you suggesting that Bill Clinton was insinuating that Black people steal cars?

The OBVIOUS POINT was that just as it's NO SURPRISE that OBAMA DOESN"T STEAL CARS, it's NO SURPRISE that he doesn't take OIL COMPANY MONEY. Both are ILLEGAL.

Who running for president would engage in an obviously illegal activity? How does NOT TAKING OIL COMPANY MONEY distinguish Obama from anybody else? What is HE insinuating by running an ad touting the fact that he doesn't take money from Oil companies??????

Some Obamamaniacs are real pieces of work. I can't believe I belong to the same party as some of them.

[truebrit71]

224. No, Bill Clinton is...

...

[Nedsdag]

191. No, but the break dancing and baby daddy jokes are coming.

Just sit down and watch.

[crankychatter]

160. More racially tinged imagery from Uncle Bill, eh?

rooty poot, light skinned, smooth talking, and now "car jacking?"

six months wages for five minutes alone with that...

PREDATORY SON OF A BITCH

[kennetha]

163. I'm afraid I fail to see the racially tinged nature of this message

CLinton talks about NOT stealing cars and somehow this is racially tinged.

How so? Please explain! Please? Pretty please with sugar on top???

[crankychatter]

173. Had your car jacked? Did the perp look like Obama? Are you in Philly?

He'll probably say he didn't do it.

you fail to see...

you could end your sentence there.

[kennetha]

179. Jeez zowie

Now you're suggesting that carjackers are biracial guys who go to Harvard and wear elegant suits?

You fail to think, I think. Look it's obvious what Clinton was saying. Obama should no more pat himself on the back for not taking Oil Company money than he should pat himself on the back for not doing anything else illegal, like stealing cars.

Did you pass 1st grade reading comprehension? Or are you, and your compatriots just deliberately playing the race card again (and again, and again)?

[crankychatter]

190. you are consigned to the nether realm from whence you came

*poof*

[K Gardner]

277. No one here made this up. It was played over and over this morning on the MSM and was

deemed SO DIVISIVE, so deliberate and so "charged" by pundits who were asked about it, they would not even comment.

So write the media (or Bill Clinton) and pose the question to the correct people.

[XemaSab]

186. Let's come up with a parallel:

So if Michelle got up and said "Next, We'll See Her Run an Ad Saying: Vote For Me, I Don't Give Blow Jobs in Downtown Alleys" would you be OUTRAGED?

Yes, you would be TOTALLY outraged, and rightly so.

[kennetha]

193. Because

the language "blow jobs in downtown alleys" is intrinsically offensive. And there would be no point.

Did you realize that it is illegal to take money from oil companies? Corporations have been banned from donating money for 100 years. In effect, Obama WAS saying "Vote for me cause I don't break the law."

Isn't that a little ridiculous. Clinton was pointing out how ridiculous.


You are the one injecting race into this, not Bill Clinton. Are you obsessed with race? See racists lurking everywhere? I think you may need some help.

[crankychatter]

162. ignored, deleted and name removed have a lot to say about this

loquacious folk

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

166. I think he was being charitable. Neither Clinton could truthfully run that ad.

ed for typo

[loveangelc]

178. Bill Clinton is so washed up

[npincus]

184. what the hell is wrong with him? He's lost his touch, for sure.

[dkf]

189. Wow, what an ASS!

I just read that Hillary is proposing throwing billions at "anti-crime" measures.

Am I the only one that thinks the Clinton's are trying to connect "Black" with "Crime"?

Earlier I thought maybe I was being off base, but now I'm thinking I'm on the right track.

Everyone that thought Bill Shaheen's "drug dealer" comment was an innocent little statement...here is another piece of the puzzle.

[K Gardner]

269. The drug dealer crap started last NOVEMBER ! That's when I swore off Hillary, even

tho at the time I didn't know Obama at all. Then there was SC, and Fairy Tale, and Jesse Jackson, and the debate where she accused him of being associated with a "slumlord" and "sex shops close to schools", then HE CANT WIN, then Wright.. well, it never really ends, does it.. just gets more despicable.

[grace0418]

192. You know, I've been staying away from criticizing Bill Clinton but this goes too far.

WTF?

[DrFunkenstein]

195. In Fairness, Obama Does Play Basketball and Deal Drugs

Wait...he never dealt drugs? Where did I get that idea from? Probably from the same people who say Obama "mugged" Hillary.

[dorkulon]

198. I'm for Obama, but I don't see racism here.

It's not like black people are the only ones stealing cars. Clinton was making a disingenuous point, but I don't think he was consciously referring to race here.

[MethuenProgressive]

228. When most DU Obama supporters hear 'steal cars' they think 'black guy'

Of course they don't. The outrage here is staged as a diversion from BC's point: BO was being disingenuous with his 'I don't take money from oil companies' line.

[Cha]

288. It's mostly stupidism..everytime bil clinton opens

his mouth he digs a deeper hole for the clinton brand.

[AtomicKitten]

199. Bubba opens mouth, inserts foot.

Again.

[stillcool]

203. Proof positive..

that anything that can be done to insinuate that Senator Obama is unelectable because he is black, will be done. I don't know why it is that lighting matches like crazy trying to fan the flames of racism, never produces the fire they desire. Note to the Clinton's: You play with fire you tend to get burned.

[KaptBunnyPants]

205. Why didn't he just say "I don't eat watermelons"?

I never knew Bill to be so politically tone deaf.

[npincus]

232. or, "I don't sell crack!"

[Lucky 13]

207. I'm sorry, but what a bitter sarcastic ASSHOLE.

Fear not. Here's something to cheer you up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGeQ6dxGMFA

[quantass]

209. The Clintons are desparate

[Jennicut]

210. Can't Bill Clinton learn to conduct himself with some sort of class, like Al Gore

Really, what happened to this man? I used to like him. I defended him for years against my ultra conservative parents but now...What is up with this comment. It is so racist and disgusting. Get a clue Bill.

[Debi]

214. God, wake me when this nightmare is over

:banghead:

[K Gardner]

219. You know, I turned off the news for a couple weeks.. and life went on

fairly pleasantly. Today, after watching that garbage, I just feel sick.

Back to self-induced media blackout for me. Besides, its spring.. I have grass to mow and flowers to plant !

Wake me when its over, too, Debi ! :hi:

[AspenRose]

236. Amen.

:-(

[DemBones DemBones]

222. The Great Obama claims not to take money from oil companies,

which nobody does because it's illegal, but he doesn't tell you that NOBODY takes money from oil companies because it's illegal, just that HE doesn't, as if he were superior to others.

He also doesn't tell you that he takes money from bundlers who put together contributions from the CEOs and other employees of oil companies, so he IS taking money from people with a vested interest in oil companies, who donate because they want candidates to help the oil companies screw the consumer.

[backscatter712]

223. Yup, them uppity negroes will steal anything not nailed down.

Isn't that the thought that Bill was expressing?

I'll just add this little ray of "wisdom" to the looooooooooong list of reasons to vote for Obama instead of Clinton...

[book_worm]

225. Bill has lost it.

[invictus]

227. Just when you think the Clintons stoop low, they go even lower. n/t

[Melinda]

231. Woke up, grabbed coffee, sat down and saw this topic.

Read the opening header and my jaw dropped in disbelief. Opened the topic, began reading responses, then viewed the video.

I've never addressed the issue of racism on DU in any way, shape or form. I understand that certain topics trigger deep feelings, beliefs, and emotions in people.

But for me, this morning, this is a watershed moment. I've no doubt that Bill Clinton has jumped the shark, that his statement was racially coded, and that it was deliberately made.

I am so sad, so angry, and in tears as I type. I've come to expect this from the GOP; but in my lifetime, I've never expected this from any Democrat, much less our ex-potus. By and through his nasty, race-baited utterance, the Emperor has become naked.

And don't tell me HRC is not responsible for what her husband says. His ass could be parked on the sidelines and his mouth taped shut. His words could be scripted -- no more spontaneous, off the cuff remarks. No, his speeches are crafted, his words deliberately spoken, and her campaigns tone is now beyond disgraceful... it vile, it is base, it is shameful, it is pure and utterly indefensible. Nothing less than a full apology from Bill Clinton and removal from any further campaigning will suffice as far as I am concerned.

Simply put, I am appalled. :thumbsdown:

[K Gardner]

263. Thank you for this thoughtful response, Melinda. Most of us certainly

feel your pain and have been there, through the tears and anger, already.

I'm going through fresh anguish now because I'm reading what Obama went through as a child/teen/young adult (in his first book), and he is talking about many of the things that are going on in this campaign and speaking in heartwrenching, soulful terms about what it feels like to be the object of this. He has been called names that are untypeable to me. I cannot imagine the inner pain this causes him.. yet he says nothing.

We need this man.. this country needs Barack Obama.

[Cheap_Trick]

238. to think I've defended this man against the right since '92

until recently when he shilled like a jackass for Hilla(R)y. Advice for the "Big Dog": Zip your lip AND your fly.

[knixphan]

239. Bill was the 'lesser of many evils'

But now we can actually vote for the 'greater good'

Time for some fresh air.

GOBAMA

[golddigger]

240. Hmm...I have this mental pic of Skinner delivering 55gal drums of Xanax and

a tanker truck of koolaid for you Obama people to wash it down with.

[VenusRising]

243. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot

Um, Bill....



:eyes:

[RainDog]

247. Bill should really stfu because I'm starting to hate him

he's really damaged any sympathy I ever had for him. I used to defend him. Now he can go fuck himself for being a political scumbag. I don't care who he supports, what party he's from, what his ideology might be. Such a remark is just the mark of a piece of dirt.

[tabasco]

248. a new day - a new low for the kitchen sink campaign.

The Clintons are hurting the Democratic party with their desperate power grab.

[Justitia]

251. OMFG! He is beyond being "politically tone deaf", he's simply cracking up. -eom

[catcher]

253. suffering christ

Even if there isn't any racial subtext in Bill Clinton's words, what he is saying is a blatant lie. Sen. Clinton has received more oil PAC money than any other candidate. That is like saying I've never received any money from a person just because they never gave me cash by hand even though they paid me by credit card. Way to distort reality Bill

[Zachstar]

270. A good point.

So the whole thing from Bill was 100 percent grade A BS in my view.

If I am not mistaken earlier MSNBC reported the Clinton campaign making a statement about Bills sniper fire remarks.

So it is Obvious in my view that Bill has gone rouge.

[druidity33]

278. Freud rears his dead head!

I believe you meant to type rogue dude...

:)

[Mme. Defarge]

258. If this isn't a signal to the SD's to circle the wagons,

then I don't know what is.

That chick wearin' extra large has just burst into song!

[blogslut]

259. There's an old showbusiness saying that, I think, applies

Get the hook.

[JBoy]

260. Or "Play me off, Johnny"

[blogslut]

262. Always leave em'

...wanting more. ;)

[Jed Dilligan]

264. Those guys are my favorite!

Also the Edwardian Strong-Men. They should perform together.

[Az_lefty]

261. wow, image of black guy stealing a car...

wonder where a cracker like Clinton came up with that one?

[LittleClarkie]

266. He's off message again?

Hoo boy.

[elehhhhna]

268. THAT was totally out of line. He should be ashamed of that remark.

[JI7]

279. he has lost it

[Major Hogwash]

280. This is just racist trash.

I'm sick of this jackass.

[sniffa]

281. He doesn't sling rocks either

Yet another reason to vote for him.

[Politicalboi]

282. Bill really sounds

Like those "Bitter People" Obama was talking about.

[johnnydrama]

283. so the Clinton line is

It was just a coincidence that instead of using John Edwards, who won South Carolina in the last primary, yet didn't win the nomination, as an example of somebody winning South Carolina, he used Jesse Jackson.

And it's just a coincidence that of all the things Bill Clinton could have used as dumb reasons to vote for Barack Obama, he used he doesn't steal cars.

He didn't use, Barack Obama eats wheaties, vote for him, or Barack Obama is good at basketball, vote for him, or any of thousands of other examples. Stealing cars is just the one he came up with at the time.

Riiiiiiiight.

[Zachstar]

285. Good point!

I wonder why Bill Clinton did not say "Vote for me I live on earth" ? It would have been halfway funny.

[ShortnFiery]

284. THIS is the type of statement that deserves to get into the M$M. eom

[K Gardner]

301. They ran it yesterday morning, then canned it. Matthews found it so

disgusting he refused to comment, as did David Axelrod. After Scarborough got no takers on Bill's latest, evidently MSNBC chose to can it, because to my knowledge it was not brought up or aired another single time on any show.

Proof that MSM can control exactly what they want people to see and not to see, and the message.

[Kurovski]

286. Metaphors about criminality and taking money from Big Oil is not a good idea,

no matter how it's phrased. The natural conclusion will immediately be drawn. At least for those of us who are not as wealthy as the money party folks.

[dailykoff]

289. Bill relives his Sistah Souljah glory days.

Oh what clever puppets those two little ringers are.

[mckeown1128]

290. lol haha hehe.. because black people steal cars... haha h...wait..

WTF... more racial "undertones" from Clinton? Am I the only one who is picking this vibe? I know he wasn't implying that Obama steels cars.. but what a weird analogy to make. Could it be a poll tested subliminal hit? You know. Make people think of cars being stolen while they are thinking about Obama... boy I am paranoid tonight. lol.. This is what happens from sleep deprivation. I think I will sleep on it.

[Raine]

294. OUTRAGEOUS

I didn't think even Bill would stoop this low! :-(

[jackson_dem]

297. That welfare change? Oh. The one St. Obama supports too

[FatDave]

298. Dude, could you at least make one post without the "St, Obama" shit?

The only thing you're accomplishing is showing everyone that you like being an asshole.

[jackson_dem]

302. No, I am showing how he is ludicrously perceived as a saint

He supports welfare change=the faithful ignore it. Hillary's husband did it and she supports it? Worst thing ever!

[catgirl]

300. I guess Bill realizes there won't be a "dream" ticket

and is now in war mode. His comments are disgusting. I hope some
Superdelegates respond by coming out for Obama in the next few
days.

[PM7nj]

303. Did he not learn anything from South Carolina?

Oh my god, what is he doing?