Please explain to me why MSNBC and Olbermann are seen as sexist by some Hillary supporters.

[EmilyAnne]

I really want to know exactly what has been said or reported that qualifies as misogynistic.
Please, no bashing Hillary Clinton or her supporters in this thread. I just want to understand their perspective.
Thanks!

[Lerkfish]

1. not trying to be snarky, but anyone who does not support clinton is automatically seen as sexist.

and I would also like to understand why that perception persists.

[hisownpetard]

2. That certainly seems to be the pattern.

[DJ13]

14. anyone who does not support clinton is automatically seen as sexist

Yep, and they cry sexism as a defensive reaction borne from an inability to recognize that Hillary isnt a very well liked person for various reasons.

It just HAS to be because she's a woman.

:eyes:

[Texas Hill Country]

3. i dont think Olbermann is... he just slants towards Obama... Matthews definitely is IMO

[EmilyAnne]

5. So you think the slant is sexist? I mean, do you think they are being unfairly critical because

she is a woman?

[leftofcool]

8. I personally think so

I have no problem if they support Obama. Nothing wrong at all with that, but there have been some really nasty sexist statements from that station, mostly from Tweety

[EmilyAnne]

17. Like what, exactly. Someone mentioned Tweety calling Hillary Clinton "babe" which does seem

out of line, especially calling a 60 year old Senator "babe."

Anything else? I've always like Olberman and in these last few weeks, I've been really out of the loop. I haven't watched him or MSNBC at all because I have been volunteering almost every spare moment. I even forgot my girlfriend's birthday because I've been so busy (I am LAME)!

[leftofcool]

24. I haven't noticed it from Keith

but I don't watch him all the time. I have heard Abrams say a couple of things. You best get your butt to the nearest florist!

[BzaDem]

29. Media Matters: Matthews' sexist displays go beyond Clinton

http://mediamatters.org/items/200801110011

[EmilyAnne]

48. Ooh... thanks!

[Hepburn]

63. Well, I agree that some of it is out of line....

...but not all of it...nor is all of it sexist in my eyes.

Why exactly would it be sexist to tell someone that he or she is good looking? I rather think of that as a compliment ~~ assuming there is no sexually offensive implication to it and it is done sincerely and not over-done.

Haven't you ever met someone and said something complimentary to that person? My best male pal...he has the most beautiful, huge blue-green eyes..and the first time I met him, I complimented him on his eyes. So, was I being sexist? :shrug:

[Texas Hill Country]

44. follow this link...

137,000 results....

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=chris+matthews+sexist

[leftofcool]

47. Damn! It's worse than I thought.

[EmilyAnne]

49. Yuck. What a toad Chris Matthews is. Thanks for the links!

[Hepburn]

58. An example of of this?

I sincerely would like to see where some are seeing this in great amount because I am not.

Thanks...:hi:

[Texas Hill Country]

11. no, Olbermann and his slant aren't really sexist, he just like Obama more... Matthews, well...

he is, IMO, undeniable sexist.

[RaleighNCDUer]

32. THC differentiated between Olberman and Tweety --

why are you saying "they"?

I think that Olberman admires Obama and his campaign. I think that Tweety despises Hillary.

There is a difference.

And I agree, Olberman is NOT sexist - Tweety is. You can't conflate the two.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

6. Matthews is just a creep - about alot of things

I don't know if its sexism or not, he's just an obnoxious jerk.

And I am an Obama supporter.

But tweety gives me the creeps.

[Hepburn]

66. Yeah, I would agree with that...

...and I also support Obama. Tweety is just a mega jerk. I don't think it has that much to do with being sexist ~~ it is more like poor people skills with him.

[stahbrett]

31. Did his pro-Obama slant start only after Obama took the insurmountable delegate lead?

I am not a regular viewer of his program, so I don't know... was Olbermann always pro-Obama this entire election, or only went it became apparent that Hillary had very little chance of winning the nomination without destroying the Democratic party?

[Hepburn]

57. Serious question:

Can you give specific examples of sexist remarks?

And this is addressed not just to you, but to anyone ~~ Hillary supporter or not ~~ who thinks that Matthews or anyone else on MSNBC made sexist remarks to or about Hillary.

I truly am curious as to what some see as being sexist.

TIA...:hi:

[leftofcool]

4. Well

Here is one example........Tweety has called her "babe" several times. She should be addressed as Senator Clinton or Hillary or just Clinton. I will let someome else chime in here on others. I will say this, they have toned down that sexist rhetoric some because several of them got in trouble. I heard through the grapevine that Keith, Tweety and a couple of others got dressed down pretty good.

[Lerkfish]

7. well, he also called Obama "less than macho" due to his bowling score.

so it seems he is rude to both candidates.

[leftofcool]

13. I will agree with you on that

but, you also need to recognize that calling a female senator "babe" is highly sexist. He was rude to Obama and that was unfair of him, I will agree

[Lerkfish]

33. of course, I thought it was implicit in what I said that I recognized that

when I said "both" candidates.

[EmilyAnne]

9. I'm glad they put that in check. Calling a Senator "babe" seems inappropriate.

Then again, I sometimes call my girlfriends and my partner "babe". Maybe its in the context.

[leftofcool]

16. Yea, but she is your GF. You probably also call her sweetheart

you better, anyway!

[EmilyAnne]

23. Actually, I have some names for her that are downright embarrassing...like "pooh" because of

Winnie the Pooh. I have no idea why I started saying it, but its stuck and I've said it in front of our friends. They just rolled their eyes.

[leftofcool]

25. Nuthin wrong with that.........your friends are just jealous

[provis99]

38. Pooh? Thats cute

Not really sure I can see Hillary Clinton as a snuggy-bear though.

[NYCGirl]

12. So what did Olbermann say that was so sexist? NT

[LSparkle]

10. Tweety is a sexist pig but Olbermann is not

When I saw those signs calling KO the "worst" (worse than Matthews or
David Shuster), it proved that this isn't about sexism, but about
Olbermann's daring to call the Clinton campaign on some of its less-
honorable tactics.

[Texas Hill Country]

15. but the prob is that he doesnt hold obama to the same standard... dont think its sexism tho

just unbalanced advocacy...

[bobbert]

21. but they claimed olberman was misogynistic

He is not required to hold the 2 candidates to the same standard, but that doesn't mean his reason for not doing so is sexism

[Skidmore]

22. So, we're looking for "fair and balanced", eh?

That would be found on that other channel that is blocked in my house.

[Skidmore]

19. Yup, you got it.

This whole every criticism is sexist schtick is getting tedious.

[LisaM]

18. One person (here) brought up an excellent example re: Olbermann

Which I had not even noticed myself (this is how insidious it is), which was his relentless reporting on the scandals involving Britney Spears and Paris Hilton. Day after day, in which he claimed he didn't WANT to report on it (but did anyway) of nubile young socialites and their pranks. It's just one of those things that later makes you go "hmmmm"? I mean, isn't their footage of a shirtless Matthew McConaghy all over the place, drunk, and doing things? How come he didn't show THAT? LOLOL.

[leftofcool]

26. Good point

[NYCGirl]

27. BTW, he hasn't done "Keeping Tabs" for months...and you must've missed

his endless showing of drunk Hasselhoff and Nick Nolte.

[AllentownJake]

28. So the Britney train wreck is an example

Of Sexism in the media...

Damn..I just thought people liked to watch the rich and famous hit the wall.

[LisaM]

37. No.......not what I said at all.

Actually, Britney hasn't been in trouble lateley, and I haven't seen Paris Hilton in the spotlight recently, either. I just pointed out that he got a lot of mileage out of young, good-looking women in trouble but you didn't seem him posting endless video of young good-looking MEN in trouble.

I stopped watching him when his top five stories were consistently anti-Hillary, so it's true I haven't seen him in a while.

[AllentownJake]

40. He got a lot of milage

Out of Michael Jackson...that's where puppet theatre started.

[LisaM]

42. LOL. I didn't say he ONLY showed video of young Hollywood women

But he did seem to revel in the salacious details, all the while saying he didn't want to report on it!

[EmilyAnne]

41. Well, to me, that stuff is just sad. Those women were hypersexualized by the media at such a

young age and now they are breaking down, right before the smiling eyes of the public. She's so obviously mentally ill or having post-partum depression. Its gross and it shouldn't be on Olbermann. Was he covering it in some sort of "cultural commentary" way? I see your point, though, I have seen coverage of Keifer Sutherland drunk and jumping into Christmas trees.

[VotesForWomen]

46. noticed that too; guys like him seem to love to make fun of and demean women, when there are certain

certainly just as many men they could be making fun of.

[PoliticalAmazon]

56. If McConahghy would have been in the news like Spears/Hilton, he would have been on...

...Olberman's show.

Again, we get this faux misogyny. These young women are in the news A LOT, especially Spears, and Spears does some pretty amazing things. Young male celebrities simply aren't in the news that much.

So do you want KO to make up stuff about young male celebrities? Focus on them even though they aren't in the news?

It's like complaining because KO reports on HRC's negative stuff more than he does on Obama. Well, HELL, HRC torpedoes her own campaign nearly every day, and the stuff she has done wrong have been doozies.

So do you want KO to make up stuff about Obama?

I'm sick of this faux victim-hood. It makes me nauseous that anyone would get off on being a victim, and HRC and her victim squad need to realize that they taint us all with their antics.

[Asgaya Dihi]

65. I don't know...

It might be something he goes along with but then again it wasn't too long ago that Donahue was being told how many guests and of what political persuasions he had to have on his show for "balance", eventually he lost his job trying to resist the pressure. It is the same MSNBC that did that and the two cases were all over the media in general at the time.

Could Keith have supported the coverage? Sure, but it could be like he said as well. Stories his producers make him cover. It's not like we don't have solid precedent for it from the same network already. Mathews there's a good case for but I'm don't think so with Keith, I think he just doesn't like the campaign. He wouldn't be alone there, he's just more vocal than most. I've had the same complaints with him about the Bush and other coverage as well. Works great for preaching to the choir but the anger isn't much use in bringing anyone else into it and it'll put some of them off. He's got valid complaints most of the time, just gets a bit excitable over it and could speak to a broader audience if he was more calm.

[Hepburn]

67. How exactly is that sexist?

More like tabloid shit...and boring, IMO.

[jillan]

20. Are you trying to start something here?

The reason people are protesting at msnbc today is not about sexism.
(yes I know there were a couple of signs that said that)

Ya know - many Hillary supporters have been called racist because they don't support Obama.

It goes both ways.

[EmilyAnne]

34. Nope. Not trying to start anything other than a discussion about this some of my fellow

Democrats' opinions about MSNBC. Like I said, I've really been out of the loop and I want to know what I missed.

And I don't think all people who aren't supporting Obama are racists, but I'm sure there are some.
Just like I know that there will be some people who don't vote for Hillary Clinton because they are sexist.
Shit, one of my aunts voted for George W Bush twice because (drumroll please) she thinks he's CUTE!!
There will always be stupid people supporting a candidate for a stupid reason.

Still, I am curious about the misogyny in the media that some are discussing on DU today.

[ellacott]

36. But it WAS pushed as a demonstration against the mysogyny of MSNBC

That's what their announcements said.

[cbayer]

54. I can't find that in their announcements.

It appears that is was about media bias and hate speech. The word misogyny does not appear anywhere that I can find.

[Catherine Vincent]

30. He's always been a little bit sexist.

He made some comments about the women that stars in "Sex in the City". I don't remember what it was but it was pretty tacky.

[TomInTib]

39. It was about that dumb-ass commercial with Terrell Owens (NFL player).

Owens caught nine kinds of hell about it, but no one said a word about the towel-dropping chick except KO.

I didn't read his remarks as sexist. But, then, I am a guy.

[McCamy Taylor]

35. Olbermann and Wolf trading dumb blond comments. Joking that a female

blond supporter of John McCain could not remember the seven digits in a phone number. That is sexism in anyone's book. I am female and I am a natural blond and almost anywhere I go I am the most intelligent person in the room ( more intelligent than KO by a long shot). All my life I have had people assume that I was as dumb as a bag of rocks because of how I look. Most of the time it does not matter, but since I am a physician and sometimes there is disagreement among doctors about what course to follow, it can be a matter of life or death if some asshole male (or brunette female) doctor decides that he is smarter than I am because he is not a blond woman. I used to face this problem all the time in residency. People would almost kill my patients before they would listen to me. That is a bad way for them to learn that their prejudices are wrong.

[knixphan]

52. follow-up q

so there has to be a category created for non-blonde women who discriminate against their fairer-hared siters...(cause it can't be sexist)...folliclist?

[hisownpetard]

71. "...almost anywhere I go I am the most intelligent person in the room ( more intelligent than

KO by a long shot)."

So - have you always been as modest as you are now, or would you consider that an acquired trait?

:puke:

[VotesForWomen]

43. it's that whole "balls-good, pussy-bad" attitude that he exudes. he wants to be a manly-man, and it

it's hard not to conclude that this is at least in part due to his low opinion of women.

[EmilyAnne]

53. Wait a minute...isn't Chris Matthews the guy who was talking about participating in a gay bashing?

Am I wrong about that?

Google is my friend, so I'll find out in a second.

[Huge Ego Sorry]

59. Nope, that was the thankfully fired Tucker Carlson (sp?) n/t

[Dr Fate]

61. "balls-good, pussy-bad"-LOL- is that a direct quote?

;)

[alcibiades_mystery]

45. These Hillary supporters are either really good liars, or insane people

Yammering on about this and that. They're just trying to make everyone else as demoralized as they are. It's just sad now. Ignore them. They're being spiteful for the heck of it. That's the best case scenario. If they really believe it, then they're just crazy.

[EmilyAnne]

51. With all due respect, this is the kind of response I was hoping that I would not get.

I don't think these people are liars or insane. Otherwise, I wouldn't be asking their opinions. We need to have respect for one another.

[PoliticalAmazon]

64. This is public message board. If you want certain opinions, perhaps a ....

private board of your own would be better? Just a suggestion...

[EmilyAnne]

69. Of course anyone is free to post whatever they want. I just think that calling one another liars or

insane isn't helpful. It just shuts down communication. I'm sorry if I came off as rude or preachy.

[hisownpetard]

72. Or: good liars *and* insane. The two are not mutually exclusive. (If you have any

doubts, allow me to introduce you to my ex... ).

[mrreowwr_kittty]

50. I don't support Clinton but Matthews is a sexist pig.

The man is a walking harassment suit.

[PoliticalAmazon]

55. I don't know why HRC and supporters cling to faux victim-hood, but it isn't flattering...

...and won't help Hillary Clinton win.

[Cali_Democrat]

60. Olbermann is sexist because he doesn't support Queen Hillary

How dare he question her in any way!! It's Hillary's turn to be president dammit!! Why can't Obama just wait his turn!!!

[Dr Fate]

62. Said in fake English accent: "What's wrong with being sexy?"

[susanwy]

68. its a long video, but watch the first 3-4 min or so

it does include a set of clips that show many MSM media outlets sexists comments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcdnlNZg2iM

susanwy
will vote for what ever the dems throw up!

[Imagevision]

70. simple, Olbermann doesn't support Billary, why else yo-yo?!