Yesterday everyone was full of hope, now everyone is bitter.

[anamandujano]

What happened?

Don't you guys ever get tired of rationalizing and covering for all his stupid statements?

It'll never end. The guy is just not ready for prime time.

[NYCGirl]

1. Maybe you should just go and watch Hillary blow smoke up the electorate's

ass. That should calm you down.

[JohnnyLib2]

2. Anger is in. Go figure.

Damnedest approach to seeking votes yet, eh?

:banghead:

[ClassWarrior]

3. Why do you think a message of hope is resonating? Because everything is...

...hunky-dory?

:eyes:

NGU.

[rodeodance]

41. no hope when bitterness reigns

[pocoloco]

4. Giggle Giggle Cackle Cackle Giggle

Some of us ain't bitter!!11!!

[AX10]

6. You sound like Claire McCatskill!

[NYCGirl]

7. Misogynist!

:rofl:

[newmajority]

23. Yeah, no shit! He's BANNED FOR LIFE from Elton John concerts.

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/08/02/elton1_narrowweb__300x357,0.jpg
...That's right, I said FOR LIFE!! And oh yeah, he's damned to Hell too.

[anamandujano]

35. And what will you all say when Obama finally realizes he needs

the women's vote?

Earth to clueless, It's already too late.

[Forkboy]

29. I've said elesewhere that many of these people don't really give a shit about sexism.

It's just a tool for them. You watch, AX10 will be the first one to pipe up in a thread about the sexism directed Hillary's way.

[malik flavors]

5. If you weren't frustrated why would you need to hope for something better?

[rodeodance]

43. watch the hands ~~ nope its BITTER!!

[thevoiceofreason]

8. Here you go, sound-biter

This was just added to the Huffington Post article that started this mess:

OBAMA: So, it depends on where you are, but I think it's fair to say that the places where we are going to have to do the most work are the places where people are most cynical about government. The people are mis-appre...they're misunderstanding why the demographics in our, in this contest have broken out as they are. Because everybody just ascribes it to 'white working-class don't wanna work -- don't wanna vote for the black guy.' That's...there were intimations of that in an article in the Sunday New York Times today - kind of implies that it's sort of a race thing.


Here's how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long. They feel so betrayed by government that when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn't buy it. And when it's delivered by -- it's true that when it's delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama, then that adds another layer of skepticism.

But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What is the concrete thing?' What they wanna hear is -- so, we'll give you talking points about what we're proposing -- to close tax loopholes, you know, roll back the tax cuts for the top 1 percent. Obama's gonna give tax breaks to middle-class folks and we're gonna provide health care for every American.

But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you'll find is, is that people of every background -- there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you'll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I'd be very strong and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you're doing what you're doing.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-s...

[malik flavors]

14. The person that reported this story out of context really tried to screw him over.

How could you listen to all of that and think he meant anything negative with his statements? You'd have to be an idiot to think he was being judgemental. Something isn't quite right about this...

[anamandujano]

26. He's sucking up to Whitey, after he's had all his fun dissing us.

Pretty soon he might even say something "understanding" about women.

[Renaissance Man]

9. Bitterness

Everyone's bitter that Hillary Clinton laughed off a trade deal her husband supported with CAFTA that helped enrich her and Bill by almost another $1 million dollars (that would more than likely do what NAFTA did -- ship more jobs overseas).

However, we do hope that the next POTUS won't be sold before they cross the threshold of the White House.

[scheming daemons]

10. The reason they are so enamored with a candidate that brings hope is BECAUSE they....

..are bitter over what has happened to them the past decade or two.


The two are not mutually exclusive.


If everything was hunky-dory a-okay with most Americans, they wouldn't be listening to a candidate that offered them hope.


It is because they are so bitter about what has gone on the past 7.5 years that they are thirsting for a "hope" candidate.


As usual.... like your candidate... you are completely tone-deaf to the mood of the electorate.

[anamandujano]

19. He was explaining why they weren't going to vote for him, why they

weren't enamored with him. Why they won't be drinking the kool-aid.

NEXT!

[Upton]

11. I guess we could listen to Hillary lie instead

Personally, I'd rather look forward with Obama.

[kentuck]

12. What else has to happen?

Before you can see the truth? It's not bitterness. It is sadness.

[AllentownJake]

13. Yet

Your losing to him. So who is not ready for prime time?

[melody]

15. It's your faux-candidate's repeated attacks on her own party that has us bitter

I noticed McCain was using her little pre-fabricated-for-his-benefit Florida and Michigan crap.
Why don't you just vote for McCain? Hillary is the same thing.

[Why Syzygy]

27. It's the Frit and Frat Show! :cackle:

Hillary Rodham Clinton, Obama's rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, has issued a statement saying that "I saw in the media it's being reported that my opponent said that the people of Pennsylvania who faced hard times are bitter. Well, that's not my experience. As I travel around Pennsylvania, I meet people who are resilient, who are optimistic, who are positive, who are rolling up their sleeves. They are working hard everyday for a better future, for themselves and their children."

John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee, is responding with a statement from spokesman Steve Schmidt to The Politico. Obama's comments, Schmidt says, show "an elitism and condescension towards hardworking Americans that is nothing short of breathtaking. It is hard to imagine someone running for president who is more out of touch with average Americans."

You know, when you have Hillary and Rove calling Obama "arrogant", don't you just have to do a double take?

[melody]

54. At least we know how far we can trust the Clintons if there's ever another civil war n/t

[BlueIdaho]

16. Personally

I find it much more entertaining watching Bill and Hillary leg wrestle for the spotlight and the microphone. If you wonder what a Clinton administration would look like - just watch how these two egomaniacs try one-up each other.

[Willo]

53. Aren't they a just a hoot?

Fighting over who's telling the lie better.

Bill stop telling my lie for me, you weren't there (in my head when I made it up)
So you don't know how to tell it.

[TexanDem]

17. Geez! It's because we're bitter that we need hope! How difficult is that?

[fuzzy otter pop]

18. I AM BITTER BUT I HAVE HOPE

are you happy about the way things are going?
do you think they can change?

does Hill have any answers or thoughts of her own?
or
is it all just canned homogenized republi-speak?

you seem bitter that Hill is getting her but kicked....

[Why Syzygy]

20. Why do you think people need *hope*? Bitterness. You and yours help a lot.

[Forkboy]

21. Oh I don't know. You've seemed a little bitter at Bomba here on DU.

Perhaps you should address your own bitterness, eh?

[Hawkeye-X]

22. No, we are bitter for the last 7 years of the Chimp admini, and we are now given hope

from Obama. Understand?

[AX10]

24. That seems to be about "Wright:.

[Name removed]

25. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[tridim]

28. If you don't understand what Obama is saying you haven't been paying attention, at all.

[tabatha]

30. Someone on Peter Werbe's show was just discussing false logic

and how the right wing uses it so much - to simplify complex issues into stupid sound-bites.
That is what you are doing.

[ClassWarrior]

31. I guess I can understand HRC defenders getting it backwards, since...

...they've been sold a message of turning hope into bitterness.

NGU.

[rodeodance]

45. NAH--YOU got it backwards. obama was selling bitterness!!

I guess I can understand HRC defenders getting it backwards, since...
Posted by ClassWarrior


...they've been sold a message of turning hope into bitterness.

NGU.
NA

[kikiek]

32. This is so true. Twist and turn everything Hillary says. Then cover and rationalize everything

Obama says. It is blind devotion to Obama.

[anamandujano]

33. I think it's worse than blind devotion.

It's bullsh*t pure and simple, and they know it.

[kikiek]

47. Right! The truth no longer matters. They hope the end will justify the means. But it won't.

[Ilithiad]

46. I totally agree...

YOu cant twist and turn what one candidate says and then rationalize the one you support who obviously called small town PA religious clinging gun loving xenophobes...he also stated small town pa is anti-trade...hmmm isn't he grilling Hillary about Nafta? There is a double standard here...You cant bash hillary for her support for nafta and then call some people anti-trade...God! The irony...the flip flopping...dont fish out of water flip flop....flip...flop...flip flop....flip flop...Get real Obama. Come back to Chicago so I can slap you with a fish...I cant guarantee it will make a flip flop sound but both sides will cross your face.

[Alii]

48. CNN?

Appears that they too twisted and turned everything Hillary said.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x117454

Is there any hope for trolls lacking gray matter betwixt the ears?

[anonymous171]

34. And what does Snipergate make Hillary then?

[BlueIdaho]

37. Fucked.

[Barack_America]

36. They are not mutually exclusive...n/t

[Armstead]

38. You might try thinking in three dimensions...You might enjoy it

Acknowledging that people are frustrated and angry is NOT incompatable with recognizing that people want to be able to have hope.

That's not mental gymnastics to see the connection. It's just walking and chewing gum at the same time.

[TahitiNut]

56. Easy now. She's still working up to two.

:shrug:

[jackson_dem]

39. lol good point

[rodeodance]

40. Bitter replaces Hope. whow!!

[rodeodance]

42. REC

[nichomachus]

44. Please stop knocking over straw men

He never said the things you said he said. That just reeks of desperation and intellectual dishonesty.

[BenDavid]

49. Americans were not bitter yesterday but you can bet yo butt they

are today after hearing and reading what obigot said about America ( small town ).

This latest remark is just further proof of Obama's disdain for white America. I'm not at all surprised by his comments. After all, he sat in the Rev. Wright's church for 20 years getting brain washed by an America hating, white hating, racist and manipulating preacher that he admits is a close friend and spiritual adviser. The puzzle pieces for this guy are being put together and it is showing a picture of a VERY flawed human being that is an elitist liberal at best and a closet racist at worst. Add to this his wife's comments about America and the puzzle is even more complete. Once again we Democrats have allowed the far left liberal extreme portion of the party (this includes most of the media too) to ram another unelectable candidate down our throats. When will the average Democrat Joe ever learn and take back control of our party?

This gives HRC more ammunition when she wins Pa. and more states to express to the delegates and super-delegates that obama is not electable. She can win this thing and damn we had this thing won before obama jumped in and decided he sould unite us....well, with these lastest comments, america may not have been bitter on Friday but come Saturday when they hear this from Obama they will be....obama is out.

[jwirr]

50. The bitterness is regarding the past while the hope is for the future. nt

[struggle4progress]

51. John McCrazy really is a loser, isn't he?

[Willo]

52. This is what happens when you allow Hillary to teach you about hope.

You learn absolutely nothing.
So when she fails you on Solutions like many are accustomed to.
You'll go looking for hope in singing choirs and skies opening.
And when that doesn't happen (and it won't) you'll be right back here where you are now.

Hopelessly, looking to support another lying-ass politician who will tell you what you want to hear.
Hardened all the more in your stubborn ignorance.
Because, you don't want to handle what you NEED to hear.
Yes you will, Yes you will.

[TK421]

55. But didn't you see the wisdom in those statements? If you didn't , then you

must be talking about someone else! Hey...what's that shiny thing over there?

[cooolandrew]

57. I think he covered for himself quite adequately. I imagine his response circulated all of PA by now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9PepjyDow&eurl=http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/gGBWx9

[anamandujano]

64. He does the CYA every week now, doesn't he. It's getting tiring.

[Butch350]

58. That's Right...

then Obama came along and brought HOPE! Do you and Hillary get it. ( I hope that wasn't sexist)

and now...IGNORED!

[Zachstar]

59. Anger at current .gov HOPE for the future.

You can't spin this one Clinton supporter.

[gateley]

60. Not EVERYONE --

Obama supporters are full of hope, and Clinton supporters are bitter that her attempts are becoming more transparent and pathetic.

[TLM]

62. These clinton supporters, don;t seem to support clinton...

nearly as much as they hate obama.


So a more accurate term is Obama Haters, not clinton supporters.

[gateley]

63. Excellent distinction. nt

[TLM]

61. Do you think hope and bitterness are mutually exclusive?

Do you think somehow one is unable to experience both hope and bitterness?

On the contrary, feelings of resentment and cynicism and anger are the fertile ground in which hope grows.

[Lucinda]

65. LOL

You noticed that too eh?