Hillary to Dems: Your likely nominee "looks down on" "Pennsylvanians"

[usregimechange]

BS! She is playing into the right wing, liberals are snobs and they think "middle America" is fly over country BS. She started a civil war today and I am ready to charge the hill. I don't mind a longer contest but what I do mind is Hillary's help tossing slime on our likely nominee with McCain and the Indiana state GOP. :mad:

[leftofcool]

1. Sorry, Obama is the snob

his statements make that obvious

[usregimechange]

2. Yet, you provide no quotes to support that.

[leftofcool]

4. Pennsylvanians

at least small town ones, "are a bleak, angry, bitter people who turn to toting their guns, their religion, and bigotry aganst people not like them out of their frustrations" all said while at a dinner with SF millionaires. You should tell your candidate that he needs to STFU about small town America he knows nothing about

[Bongo Prophet]

23. Your "quote" is hardly accurate. If that distortion is what you honestly see, it says a lot.

At least deal with the reality of what he said, as an analysis of economic hardship over decades making people much more likely to be susceptible to scapegoat issues. This is a real problem that we democrats have been speaking about for years. Whether Hillary or Barack is the better person to help with that problem is a legitimate debate, and we could agree or disagree on candidates, or how to get better jobs, etc. At least that would be honest.

To distort it to the degree that you have makes it impossible to even have that discussion, and guarantees a continuation of the very problem Obama brought up.

[cali]

26. disgustingly dishonest to put quotes around something he did NOT

say. Typical right wing hillbot crap. You people certainly do take your cues from your dear hill. She needs to shut her vile lying piehole.

[VolcanoJen]

54. "Vile Lying Piehole"

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Very Pinocchio-worthy. Good one, cali!!!!!

[bowens43]

39. LOL! Not even close to what was said.

No wonder you're a hillary supporter. Lies , distortions and swiftboat tactics seem to be enough for you.

[Hepburn]

41. You know, IMO...

...when I thought you could not sink lower, you reached a new low in dishonesty with this post. Congrats for living up even lower expectations than I have had of the Hillbot Kool Aid drinkers.

To quote your Queen, "Shame on you."

:puke:

[SammyWinstonJack]

57. ...

:thumbsup: Too bad some many can't see that. :shrug:

[jackson_dem]

3. It is called campaigning. No big deal (like when Obama basically called her a liar)

The problem is what Obama said, not what any rival's response to it was. Obama supporters can't always blame the Clintons for what he says or does.

[leftofcool]

5. Obama sticks foot in mouth and takes no responsibility for it

[Zachstar]

10. jackson_dem your Signiture image is offensive please remove it.

[leftofcool]

13. Offensive to who?

[Zachstar]

15. I wont speak for others but it is offensive to me.

It is a request and I think I am being reasonable by requesting.

[leftofcool]

18. And I suppose if it was a clip art of Hillary, it wouldn't

be offensive.

[Zachstar]

20. Depends if it is true or false (or Opinion or Fact)

For instance an image saying that Clinton is running for president is fine as long as it remains in size limits in my view.

[MonkeyFunk]

14. LOL!!!

Why should he? If there were a rule against offensiveness, 95% of the posts here would be deleted.

[Zachstar]

17. Why? Well because it is rather offensive and wrong and I hope he wants to keep things Cleaner on DU.

It is a request remember.

[Petrushka]

19. Isn't it said that "Offensive is in the eye of the beholder." -- or something like that?

[PatGund]

50. consider it a warning

When one sees an image like that (on either side), it's basically telling the reader "ignore anything I say because I'm completely biased and/or full of it."

It's like a surgeon general's warning for political posts

[jackson_dem]

53. It has been removed

[Petrushka]

6. Senator Clinton actually said, "Pennsylvanians don't need a president who looks down on them."

HRC: "It's being reported that my opponent said that the people of Pennsylvania who faced hard times are bitter. Well, that's not my experience. As I travel around Pennsylvania, I meet people who are resilient, who are optimistic, who are positive, who are rolling up their sleeves. They're working hard every day for a better future for themselves and their children. Pennsylvanians don't need a president who looks down on them."

Senator Clinton "tossing slime"? If an Obama supporter says so, it must be true . . . right?

:eyes:

[SunsetDreams]

8. lol

no that would be denying that Sen. Clinton lied ONCE again to try and get votes and a Clinton supporter saying it's not so, must be true, right?

Not this time!

[Petrushka]

11. If you say so. LOL

[leftofcool]

12. Did you read the entire transcript?

I thought not

[Petrushka]

21. Didn't Senator Obama say, "When I go around and I talk to people, there is frustration and

there is anger and there is bitterness."?

Do you suppose those same people--his supporters, I suppose--would be more (**ahem**) resilient, optimistic, and positive if he gave 'em a good talking to?

:shrug:

[leftofcool]

22. How about building them up instead

You know, tell them how hard working they are and how he appreciates their optimism in the face of adversity. If you tell people they are angry, bitter, bleak, depressed, they will eventually believe that about themselves.

[Petrushka]

34. Oh-h . . . but . . . ain't that Hillary's schtick? If Barack started telling working class people

"...how he appreciates their optimism in the face of adversity.", wouldn't his own supporters need to criticize him for being dishonest--considering how, unlike Hillary, he failed/fails to recognize folks' "optimism in the face of adversity" to begin with?

Nah! Neither he nor his frustrated, angry, and bitter supporters would ever wanna waste time buttering-up any hard-working but ignorant/innocent rural-type who already knows the side the butter's on.

[Cha]

58. hilary lies a lot so I wouldn't take anything she said

as what actually happened..hilary is a pandering asshole.

"Why Hillary’s Lies are Important"

- March 24, 2008, 9:53PM
Hillary Clinton has been caught in a series of lies and misrepresentations during the primary campaign. To some of her supporters, these lies may seem trivial and insignificant and even politics-as-usual. However, please consider the serious impact of these lies by placing them in the context of the past seven years of the Bush Administration and the legacy of expanded executive power that he leaves behind. In particular, consider the dangerous message that the Clinton campaign sends by employing similar tactics to achieve her political goals.

1. The Florida and Michigan Primaries / The Delegate Count
Hillary agreed to honor the DNC’s decision to strip Florida and Michigan of its delegates after their primaries were moved up into January in express violation of the DNC rules. She did not change her position on the validity of these primaries until she found herself unexpectedly behind in the delegate count and desperately needed to claim the delegates that she had won in these unsanctioned contests. As her chances of winning the nomination became increasingly slim in recent weeks, we have been presented with threatening and desperate lines of reasoning for why these primary results should count as is. At the same time, Clinton and her surrogates continue to propose different metrics for determining who should win the nomination even though there is and has been a clearly defined process in place for several decades.

Please think about the implications of changing election rules after the fact. We have suffered through at least one stolen presidential election and the manipulation of untold numbers of Congressional and state elections through various vote tampering and voter intimidation schemes used by the Republicans and their allies. The American people (and especially Democratic voters) have lost faith in the integrity of the election process. The Clinton strategy to continually change the rules for determining the Democratic Party nominee sets a dangerous precedent that could lead to increasingly un-Democratic elections in the future if it is allowed to succeed. If anything, we need more transparency and methods of accountability in our elections in order to repair the damage done in recent years and to restore our confidence in the Government.

2. The Bosnia Fabrication / Exaggerated Experience Claims
Hillary fabricated a story about a dangerous, life-risking visit to Bosnia in order to gain stature as an experienced negotiator in international conflicts and war. While this type of embellishment can seem almost comical, it represents a willingness to distort reality in order to influence the public perception. This is the same type of distortion that the Bush administration used to justify the war in Iraq, although the magnitude of the lie is certainly on a different scale. The Bush administration falsified reports, cherry-picked intelligence, used unreliable sources, and employed fear-mongering tactics to convince the American public that our safety was at risk and as such, you were either with us or with the terrorists. The lies used by President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney are impeachable offenses and should be condemned by all Americans. Sadly, the Clinton campaign seems to have shown a shocking willingness to employ the same tactics to create a more favorable reality and to rely on divide-and-conquer rhetoric to weaken opposition. Her attempts to frighten the American people by conjuring up 3 AM phone calls are bad enough, but her vote of confidence in John McCain over Barack Obama should be seen as treason against the Democratic Party.

3. NAFTA
Hillary lied about her position on NAFTA and used her lies in a calculated way to influence the Ohio primary. Recently released White House documents confirm that Hillary had been an active proponent of NAFTA prior to its passage, and she has continued to support it publicly in her speeches and memoir. However, while campaigning in Ohio, she claimed to have been privately against NAFTA during the Clinton presidency and believes that it should be rewritten to protect American jobs and workers. This type of maneuvering is reminiscent of the behind-closed-doors policy-making that the Bush administration has used during the past seven years. Specifically, Bush and Cheney have made policy decisions without providing transparency to Congress or the public, and President Bush has repeatedly ignored the rule of law by issuing signing statements and disregarding the parts of the laws that he doesn’t agree with. If we cannot trust Hillary to be truthful about her positions on critical legislative issues now, how can we trust that she will be truthful as president?

These are just three examples that illustrate the concerns we should have with a candidate who demonstrates a sense of entitlement to the nomination and is willing to lie, misrepresent, threaten, and divide in order to obtain the nomination. President Bush and the neoconservative movement have greatly harmed this country by the creation of an imperial-like presidency. This election is not just about whether a Democrat or Republican wins but if the checks and balances are restored to the three branches of government. The framers of the Constitution were in such fear of an imperial president that mechanisms for impeachment are prominently and explicitly included in the Constitution. If Hillary Clinton is willing to use lies and deceit to win the Democratic nomination, what assurances do we have that she will not continue to use them once she is president?
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/why-h ...

<snip>

"Her response to being caught lying to a military audience, when she invented a story about being under sniper fire in Bosnia, was to say it wasn't surprising she got some things wrong, seeing how she spoke millions of words every day. What a magnificent idea, that if you say lots of words some of them are bound to be fantastic lies. So if you listen carefully to horse-racing commentators they say things like "And it's Teddy's Boy still leading three furlongs out as they come up to the fourth last fence with Nip and Tuck two lengths behind by the way I fought a tiger once, punched it clean out and they're all safely over."

<lots more>
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/opinion/article3 ...

"It's not that lying to pad the resume, avoid Indictment or to advance her political fortune is anything new for Hillary Clinton. She famously said she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary (debunked); she told New Yorkers she was a Yankee fan when she lived in Chicago (debunked); she told rural New Yorkers that she was a "duck hunter" (debunked); she claimed that her daughter Chelsea was jogging around the World Trade Center at the time of the 9/11 attack (debunked by Chelsea herself.) And, those subpoenaed Rose Law billing records just happened to show up one day on a hallway table in the most monitored home in America!"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

"Handy Guide to Hillary Clinton's Bosnian Lie: The Faux Heroine of Tuzla"
Hillary, The Faux Heroine of Tuzla"



<lots more>
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph ...

[bowens43]

40. HIllary has done nothing but fling shit

since it became apparent that America has rejected Her Highness and what's really funny about is that she isn't bright enough to understand that she is being rejected because of her dishonest , Rovian tactics..

[Petrushka]

44. Hm-m. Is that true? That "...America has rejected her Highness...."? I mean: Should I just

take your word for it? Like: Are you the spokesperson for America, or what?

Well . . . (**ps-s-st**) . . . don't let on that I told you so, but there are lotsa citizens in America--registered U. S. voters--who haven't yet "rejected" anyone at the ballot-box, believe it or not. In fact, in the May 13th West Virginia primary, I'm one of those who'll be voting for the person we believe best qualified to be the next U. S. President: Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton.

[BearSquirrel2]

45. Yes the people of Pennsylvania ...

Yes, the people of Pennsylvania are happy and upbeat about seeing their standards of living degraded. That is, after Eli Lilly started giving away all those free Prozac samples.

[sasquatch]

7. This has been different from what she's been doing, how?

:shrug:

[aquarius dawning]

9. Hillary. Hammer. Nail. Head.

[SunsetDreams]

16. couldn't agree more

looks like you have the ignored squad in here

[dkf]

24. I guess that forum they started is boring.

[SunsetDreams]

32. yep must be

[cyclezealot]

25. This campaign has turned into true pettiness. Symptomatic of Republicans

Really disappointing. We know both Hillary and Obama are corporate owned liberals. Hillary might have the slightly better health care plan, Obama a little better on the war? / The process has got to change. Such a long process becomes a wrestling marathon and evolves into personality attacks, avoiding the issues. Since they are both pretty much the same.
We need change the process so it is over in six weeks, before we tear ourselves apart. And hand the Race to the republicans. Since there is a stalemate, can be bring back someone with substance , who talks real issues.
We want our Kucinich or Edwards. If not those , Gore would be a good compromise.
Gore might just snatch victory from probable defeat. A brokered convention might be a good thing, with a new victor to rescue us from this ankle biting.

[SunsetDreams]

33. no thank you

I like them and all, but we already have our Democratic Leader in Barack, and he proves it time and time again.

[cyclezealot]

52. His platform is lacking. His rhetoric isn't

Paul Krugman prefers Hillary's health care plan. I prefer Edwards or Kucinich's or Naders. Of course we will be all backing who ever gets the nomination. But the process is flawed and it looks like another defeat. Unbelievable. Polls show McCain is leading in Penna, Ohio, Colorado, Florida. There goes the ball game. I doubt Obama will carry one state south of Maryland.

[tekisui]

27. She sounds like more of the same.

"It's hard work, people are optimistic and resilient.."

Her BS, not recognizing that Americans ARE bitter, and not recognizing the very valid reasons for the bitterness is elitist.

Of course things look optimistic from her rich and powerful world.

[Eurobabe]

28. I was all for HRC staying, but everytime I give her a chance

she does shit like this. I hope Obama beats her in PA, and she drops out. :mad:

[Cha]

55. hilary is turning herself into the

candidate that is indespensible to mccain.

[Eurobabe]

61. OMIGOD zidzi, I love it!

Just saw your reply. :rofl:

[AllentownJake]

29. I hate

The way she speaks...watching her last night I was like can you be any more condescending and insensere.

[SpiralHawk]

30. Hillary, when you talk like that, it makes me look down on you

How low you have fallen in this campaign.

I had high hopes for you. But you have blown it time and time again.

The negativity of your campaign makes me feel bitter.

Take a seat. Now. Please. For the sake of America.

[C_U_L8R]

31. So says Hillary the liar.

The kitchen sink is broken. The pots and pans are strewn all over the floor.
The Clintons in 'say anything' mode.

[Vinca]

35. Hillary is disgusting. If any of the "regular folks" thinks she

"feels their pain," I've got a hundred million reasons why she is clueless. Her campaign is driven by one thing: ego. At least Obama's "misspeak" was based on fact, not fiction.

[rodeodance]

36. Silly, it was Obama who started this by putting his foot in his mouth.

.....Hillary to Dems: Your likely nominee "looks down on" "Pennsylvanians"
Posted by usregimechange


BS! She is playing into the right wing, liberals are snobs and they think "middle America" is fly over country BS. She started a civil war today and I am ready to charge the hill. I don't mind a longer contest but what I do mind is Hillary's help tossing slime on our likely nominee with McCain and the Indiana state GOP.

[npincus]

37. Is that why she didn't bother to campaign in smaller states and

talks up the importance of the "big states"?

[Petrushka]

38. My home-state is one of the "smaller states" & Senator Clinton campaigned here. (eom)

[Hepburn]

42. But do you count to the Queen?

:eyes:

[Petrushka]

48. Do I "count to the Queen"? THE Queen? Is there only one queen to "count to"? If so, is one

permitted to use one's fingers and toes rather than a calculator?






BTW: WE are not amused.

:spank:

[npincus]

43. I'm sure she showed her face there BUT

her Plan A was to place all her resources in the big states up front, while allocating little resources to the smaller states where Obama had applied an even 50-state strategy. When HRC's plan A went awry, she had no Plan B, and her funds to compete in "smaller" states began to dry up. Not very smart. You can blame Mark Penn, but the buck stops at the candidate.

So to call Obama an elite is a joke. Hillary just assumed the small-town folk would fall at her feet and did not plan to earn their support the hard way.

http://www.observer.com/2008/why-clinton-s-back-against-wall-nobody-prepared
Compounding the damage of the bad defeats in Iowa, and then South Carolina, Mr. Nemazee explained, was the lack of the necessary foresight to invest the campaign’s resources in the states that Mrs. Clinton’s rival, Barack Obama, is now gobbling up as fuel for his ever more threatening momentum.

“You needed to have a Plan B, and Plan B was just doing what we are doing right now rather than having resources in the small states,” he said. “We basically ceded every one of these small red states that he has racked up victories in. And the reason that he has racked up victories at this level isn’t because he was so much more well received, or because his message was any better; it was because we didn’t put any resources in there. We weren’t campaigning there. We didn’t have anybody in Utah, in Idaho, in the Dakotas. In Alaska.”

On Feb. 12, the picture got even worse, as the voters of Maryland, the District of Columbia and Virginia all appeared set to hand lopsided wins to Mr. Obama. With a cold and bleak February calendar staring straight at them—other states set to vote this month are Wisconsin and Mr. Obama’s former home, Hawaii—some of Mrs. Clinton’s supporters are wondering how long she can keep losing without her support collapsing in the remaining contests.

[Petrushka]

46. If I'm not mistaken, Senator Clinton "showed her face" in WV not only recently but last Spring, too.

[Texas Hill Country]

47. 1. Obama F'd Up bad 2. It's not like McCain is not saying the same thing

[mrreowwr_kittty]

62. And you are endorsing McCain, because...? nt

[Berry Cool]

49. Some questions/comments:

1. So Hillary wants Pennsylvanians to think Obama is an elitist who is out of touch with "middle America" and "flyover country"? Could someone please remind me which state Obama is senator from? I keep forgetting. Oh yeah...Illinois. Thanks.

2. So to Hillary, saying people are "bitter" = "looking down on them." How, exactly? How is it "looking down on someone" to say that he doesn't look happy or isn't happy? Is the only way to show respect to people now to call them "hard-working optimists"? Are you feeling sad because of what's happened to your job, your way of life? Shame, shame! There's no room for frowny faces in Hillary's America! Turn that frown upside down because she KNOWS you are a better person than one who thinks so negatively!

3. I can think of another politician besides Hillary who says Americans aren't bitter, who sees them as noble, resolute, smiling people willing to roll up their sleeves and make sacrifices when necessary in order to succeed, who refuses to acknowledge any bitterness or anger in them about the state of the country today. We call him President Bush.

That is all.

[Arkana]

51. Thanks for repeating the Republican talking points for us, Hillary!

[Major Hogwash]

56. "Likely nominee"? Hell, sweetie, he IS the nominee.

Now, go cry about that!

[ampad]

59. Ok let me get this straight

Hillary acknowledge that Obama is the likely nominee. It seems that she has come to terms to that to an extent. Now that she has come to terms with that what excuse does she have for parroting right wing talking points about the Dem nominee considering she is a dem?I think folks should find this clip or transcript and start e-mailing it to every super D they can. This is sabotage plain and simple. Clinton is not in lalala land like some would like to believe. She knows this is pretty much over which is evident by her calling Obama the likely nominee.

[usregimechange]

60. I was quite willing to see this election play out but when she sides with McCain to do this...

I can't abide it.