Thank Goodness -- Hillary has joined us "little people" against that Big Bad Elitist Obama

[Armstead]

She will rescue us, while Obama "looks down" at us.

That is, she'll get around to saving us once she's had a much-needed vacation on Martha's Vineyard.

[TwilightGardener]

1. She's positively ridiculous. I expect to see her in a NASCAR ballcap

with a fishing rod in hand any day now.

[Armstead]

2. I'm waiting for the "tank shot"

[wndycty]

3. Hillary seeks to polarize and divide just like a Republican. . .

. . .what he said said last weekend is not much different than what he said in his speech on race. I posted a thread about it: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5468610

[ClassWarrior]

4. Change begins on Day One, dammit!! And not a moment sooner!!

:rofl:

NGU.

[Armstead]

5. Yes...They'll put the W keys back on the WH keyboards

My bad.....But too tempting

[OzarkDem]

6. Last week Obama folks crucified her for defending an underinsured woman

One who, as it happened, lived in rural Appalachia.

Now I understand. Obama supporters think Clinton never should have defended this woman or told her tragic story because she was from a "small town".

Where were the crocodile tears for the "little people" you claim to support when you were trashing Clinton's attempt to highlight the tragedy they face for lack of access to health care?

[ClassWarrior]

8. So your only answer is to twist our words? Typical.

NGU.

[TML]

9. Hillary said they were uninsured

And they were insured. That is a lie. Or what you call "misspoke". Same damned thing.

[VolcanoJen]

11. Oh good gawd.

:eyes:

[Armstead]

20. No -- We criticized her for not bothering to research her own material

Her reckless disregard for the truth hurts her own case.

There are plenty of real horror stories about the medical system. But she was too sloppy to botehr to do any fact checking.

Her clumsiness in the past is one of the reasons we don;t have adequate health care today. And now you want to trust her to fix the problem she helped to create?

[TahitiNut]

30. Poor Nell.

[roguevalley]

34. we criticise her when she lies. which woman of the many was this

one? She's a liar and dipshit and she is blowing the brand Clinton to hell. Given what we are seeing, it is none too soon.

[RememberWellstone]

7. Obama f**ked up

deal with it..quite blaming Hillary for Snobama's mistakes.

[TML]

10. Obama told the truth

The only people I'm blaming are those people who choose to be ignorant.

[LiberalZrule]

36. Obama told the truth

maybe so but this is how I feel about it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5474955&mesg_id=5477363

[ima_sinnic]

12. how did he "f**k up"? where's the "mistake"?

do these people look like they think it was a "mistake"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9PepjyDow

[ClassWarrior]

14. The latest meme appears to be that Dems can only win...

...if we abandon Democratic values. Ironic that someone who purportedly honors Paul Wellstone would give lip service to that filth.

NGU.

[LiberalZrule]

37. hmmm

He is explaining why it is hard for rural voters to get behind him and he is saying all this stuff about job loss and frustration with the goverment so I am scratching my head...Obama's message is change we can believe in....shouldn't it be easy for him to get rural voters behind him when he promises to alleviate their concerns? Sounds to me like he cant connect to rural voters in PA because those voters are frustrated, but isn't he for them? So where is the trouble with getting those voters? Sounds off to me.

[ima_sinnic]

13. does that mean she's going to pay her bills now?

or will the "little people" be stuck with paying slightly higher taxes to cover the losses she brought on with her deadbeat use of schools and other civic halls without paying?

also, will she now explain her vote in favor of the Bankruptcy Bill, which was a mighty shafting of We The People??

[CatsDogsBabies]

15. She's disgusting

I grew up in SW PA, and I think this is about the most disgusting thing she has done to date. Perhaps the gun and religion part of Obama's comments weren't the best, but we all know what he meant. PA has never recovered from the economic slump of the early 80s. My dad was able to raise and educate a whole family on a mill laborer job, and thankfully, by the time the mills closed we were all pretty well grown and he was able to retire. But many of the younger people lost everything and no jobs have replaced the living wage blue collor jobs. Do people really think blue collar workers don't want to be able to give their children more opportunity than they had. I know my parents made sure their children had more opportunity. To twist this and say Obama is criticizing people because they go fishing (yes, I read that when Bayh introduced Hillary he said something like this) and that he looks down on them because he understands why they are frustrated and angry is disgusting. I am an independent and I will not vote for Hillary in the GE if she is the democratic nominee. I will not vote McCain either (and can't see how anyone could vote for him). I hope PA realizes that Hillary really isn't going to save them. So what if she spent summers in Scranton - who cares! Let's see if she spends her summers there now since she is so in touch with the working class.

[VolcanoJen]

16. It's the Victimhood, Stupid

Al Giordano nails it:

http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=1037

Oh, gawd. Enough already. The poor little $109 millionaire has the victim game so soaked into the brain that now she wants company. It’s condescending to rural voters to tell them they should feel “offended” by Obama’s reported remarks.

But you know what? Plenty of rural folks will agree with that statement, and my guess is that very few will conclude that Obama was talking about or insulting them.

Telling rural Pennsylvanians they should feel victimized by those words is telling them they should become as insufferable and over-sensitive as the urban and suburban PC “offense junkies” that see themselves in, and are rallied by, Clinton’s professional victimhood.

Victimhood! It's what's for breakfast at the Clinton Table!

[charlie]

17. Got condescension, Hillary?

How about affecting a hambone hillbilly drawl to cadge votes? Yeah, that's the gold standard for showing you care -- well shitfire maw, she jus' plain folks, wunna us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaDQ1vIuvZI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvlr0BNgWW0

[VolcanoJen]

18. She changes accents by looking at Google Maps.

When she was campaigning here in Ohio, I was struck by her adoption of the "Ohio Accent." Nasal, dropping g's off the ends of sentences. It was kinda hilarious.

"I feel no ways tired" was the worst of it, but honestly, keep an eye on her morphing accent depending on what state she's in. Does she think nobody notices?

[charlie]

19. Gads

I'm hardly surprised, though. Politicians "reaching out" with regional personas are indulged to an extent, because they're basically a stilted lot. But she's taken crass artifice (applied over extreme stick-in-the-butt stiltedness) to a whole other level.

[TahitiNut]

28. Poor Nell.

[EFerrari]

21. LOL! No thanks! I don't want to be saved.

:rofl:

[Armstead]

22. That's because yer one of them elitists

[EFerrari]

24. I'll have to remember that next time I'm trying to magically balance

my checking account with mirrors. lol

[dorktv]

39. Senator Clinton and President Clinton were not exactly rolling in the money

back in Arkansas. In fact it took him winning the presidency before they started to have serious money.

While I may not have done a lot of research on Senator Obama (just read some of his speeches and positions) I have not heard of his life being super poverty striken. Possibly some hardship while he was young but not the desperation that having to roll pennies for the cheap version of raman can induce.

[Two Americas]

23. it isn't either/or

There are serious problems with both candidates. Ignoring those problems, and pointing fingers back and forth is the cause of the dissension and is weakening us going into the general. We are going to have to promote one of these two candidates - yes, probably Obama - and we are off to a self-defeating and chaotic and ugly start. That is not because of the protracted primary season, it is because of the way that people are promoting their candidate. That won't magically change once we have a nominee, and the tactics and rhetoric that seem now to be "working" to trash and destroy the other camp are tactics and rhetoric that will most certainly sink all of us in the general.

[Armstead]

29. To be honest, Hillary is making it Either/Or

She had a choice. She could have ignored and risen above the dishonest portrayal of Obama's comments by McCain and the media 'hos. She could have even defended him.

Instead, she chose (once again) to take the low road by repeating the Karl Rove version of Obama's comments.She is using it to try to bring down Obama and reinforce the GOP memes about him.

So it's going to be real hard for her to defend Obama in the General against the things SHE HERSELF is now saying about him. "Sen. Obama is not really a condescending elitist. I was just kidding."

[Two Americas]

33. very weak

She, she, she. Whether or not this is true, it is a very weak position. And we are kidding ourselves if we do not think that supporters of both camps are reinforcing "the GOP memes." This approach - "she did it first" and "she started it" and "she is worse than our guy" - is politically and morally bankrupt.

Obama may well be the better candidate in the sense that we could influence him more, and after all, in a representative democracy the politicians are supposed to represent us, we are not suppose to be representing them and their career aspirations by running around acting as unpaid public relations agents for them. Obama is brilliant, politically savvy, and flexible. Those are good qualities in a politician - if we take advantage of them. We are failing here. We need to have his back, not worship at his feet. Right now, we are communicating to him that we are just thrilled that he represents us - educated, upscale, enlightened, arrogant, self-righteous liberals. Were we advocating strong traditional Democratic party positions in the areas of economics and power - which are what politics are about, after all - we would make it safe for him to move that direction, and we would win over millions of Republican-voting blue collar people. If he did move that direction, then all of the issues of style, race, image and the other handicaps, would disappear and we would have an opportunity to win in a landslide.

But if we get sucked into the culture wars, we are in trouble and the election becomes McCain's to lose. I think on some level we all know this, we can all visualize another teflon Republican candidate, with the Dem candidate being smeared and destroyed. Shutting our ears to this and denying it will not make it go away. I think that the frantic and belligerent rhetoric from any Obama supporters is an attempt to drown out those fears, and the "hope" and "belief" and "yes we can" human potential movement "think positive" and "visualize results" ideas are all about denial and escapism.

I do not blame Obama for any of this - he is accurately representing us: the 15% or so of the population who are educated and informed and liberal - I blame us for giving him such a poor set of ideas to represent.

We underestimate our influence. We are misusing it. The public does not care if "we" win - in fact a large segment of the population is opposed to us winning. Were we advocating for the people to win, we would win as well. Right now we are seeking a win for the activists (which is not even possible) at the expense of a win for the people. That is what drives people to vote Republican. They do not agree with us that our shit doesn't stink, and resent and reject people who think that about themselves. Since there is no New Deal social platform to talk to people about, style becomes more important than substance, culture war issues drive out politics, and the party loses again.

[Warren DeMontague]

25. Don't worry, Hillary! The "little people" have got yer back!

[TahitiNut]

26. She'll vacation in Kennebunkport.

:evilgrin:

[Armstead]

31. Nope. Not enough of "Our People" there

All the Good People vacation off the Cape.

[Nedsdag]

27. Don't forget:

The TWO mansions she jointly owns.

Some woman of the people!

[Armstead]

32. She feels your ;pain

That's enough.

[Tatiana]

35. She's becoming more like Lieberman the longer she campaigns. n/t

[catcher]

38. You can't even rub elbows with the Clintons unless you're a millionaire

or a Dubai official. I was so happy to hear the Clintons had donated 10 million dollars to charity (hey maybe there would be some relief for those little people whose jobs got shipped away by ole Billie boy), until I realized most of it went into their own foundation, so the money never really left home.