Hillary Clinton & John McCain jointly insult and look down upon people who have a brain

[Voice for Peace]

That's what I get from their latest absurd and desperate nonsense.
They insult my intelligence, again and again.

Their selective interpretation & spin of what Obama said is an insult to Americans, everywhere.
Shame on them, shame shame shame on the two of them.

[DJ13]

1. They make such a cute couple!

:rofl:

[City Lights]

2. They sure do! Vodka drinking buds too!

[AzDar]

3. Jeebus, that pic is nauseating.

:puke:

[Voice for Peace]

4. WE NEED MORE OUTRAGE ABOUT THEIR JOINT INSULT TO THINKING PEOPLE EVERYWHERE

rant rant rant

[AlinPA]

5. On the subject of "thinking people" and elections:

Some have said that thinking people understood clearly what Obama meant (bitter flap). I agree. If he had used more sentences (it was not a prepared speech) it surely would have come out better. Thinking about what he said, many of us understand what he was trying to say.

This reminds me in a way of an old quote from the 50’s. During his 1956 presidential campaign, a woman called out to Adlai E. Stevenson "Senator, you have the vote of every thinking person!"

Stevenson called back "That's not enough, madam, we need a majority!"

[Voice for Peace]

6. LOL! Great quote. But let us defend Americans! Who in this country wants to be considered stupid?

Enough is enough!

[RememberWellstone]

7. "Mom! Sissy did it too!"

Don't look at me, look at her!! She did it first! She did the sniper fire story and that is way badder than me.:crazy:

[DarienComp]

17. Do yourself and your candidate a favor.

Don't bring up the sniper fire story. It doesn't help her.

[melody]

34. To put Wellstone's name next to that smiley face witch is an insult

Sorry, if you're going to take cheap shots at posts, I'll do the same to you.

I used to admire Hillary more than I do Wellstone. Now, there's NO comparison -- Hillary has revealed
herself to be everything her critics always said she was (hint: nothing good).

[bigtree]

8. I think the owner of this board has the same interpretation as Clinton

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5467884&mesg_id=5467884


"What makes the quote a gaffe is the latter part, "they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." This is not good. The first problem is the use of the word "cling" which implies a sort-of irrational and desperate latching-on. When you use the word "cling" you are implying that the things to which one is clinging are bad. Which leads us to the second problem in the quote, the things that are being clung: Guns. Religion. Antipathy to people who aren't like them. Anti-immigrant sentiment. Anti-trade sentiment.

Among the items being clung, for the purpose of this deconstruction, there are two broad categories. The first category is Things that many small-town Americans embrace as part of their values, but which Senator Obama is painting as bad: Guns, Religion, Frustration with illegal immigration, Skepticism toward free-trade. The inclusion of Religion alone on that list is enough to make the quote controversial. Add guns, frustration with illegal immigration, and skepticism toward free trade, and you are expressing a negative view toward many of their cultural and political values.

The second category is Unflattering stereotypes that elites hold toward people in middle America: Antipathy to people who aren't like them. And, of course, a propensity to cling to guns, religion, anti-immigrant sentiment, and anti-trade sentiment.

If you are still having difficulty understanding why this would be controversial, imagine if he had said something like this, while commenting on frustration among the urban liberal elite:

And it's not surprising that they get selfish and arrogant, they cling to lattes or Priuses or abortion-on-demand or gay marriage or anti-Bush sentiment as a way to explain their unhappiness.

Do you see it now? Calling liberals selfish, arrogant, and unhappy. Saying that you "cling" to things like lattes or Priuses or reproductive choice or equal rights. Hey, not every liberal drinks lattes and drives a Prius or does all those things! Of course, some do, but even if they do those aren't bad things!

So, Senator Obama has a problem on his hands.

[Voice for Peace]

10. With all due fondness & respect for Skinner, I don't agree. Why promote that twisted interpretation?

[bigtree]

13. I dunno. Looks like he did. I could be misreading it, but it tracks her statement today.

maybe he just isn't smart enough to see it your way

[PaulaFarrell]

35. so what?

skinner is not god, so he's not infalliable. I'd suggest that Skinner has probably never lived in a small town if he deconstructs Obame's statement in the way he has. for starters, most people in small towns (whom I know) cling a lot more to their 12-packs than to religion. guns, hunting, and fishing are releases from the mundanity of working life. and religion is what you do on sundays - if you don't go hunting instead.

[Voice for Peace]

9. Recommend this thread, dammit! Stand up for People who have a Brain!

[bigtree]

11. anyone who diverts from anything which supports and defends Obama

. . . is brain-dead to you.

[Voice for Peace]

14. No you are wrong, BigTree. Utterly wrong.

And I bet you know it. Obama wasn't insulting anybody. People who think it through for themselves instead of gobbling up the twisted spin can understand his meaning.

[bigtree]

16. I don't believe he meant to insult anyone. Not at all.

But, I think he was insensitive at best, and insultingly ignorant of the manner in which folks regard their affinity for god and guns, at the worst.

[Voice for Peace]

20. I disagree that he was insultingly ignorant. Poorly expressed, at worst.

So why feed the fire of a divisive misunderstanding?

[bigtree]

24. I defending Clinton

. . . against the attempt to label her criticism of Obama's 'gaffe' as more offensive and pernicious than his ignorant remarks. I stand by insultingly ignorant. He's pulled back from the original statement, so, I'm at least half right.

[Voice for Peace]

26. OK. But I'm defending myself and anybody else who finds her campaign insulting

[bigtree]

30. carry on

that's what this place is here for.

But, I think the only thing which would satisfy most candidates' supporters is if their rival just prostrated themselves for their opponents to walk right over.

[Voice for Peace]

33. LOL You're right.

Probably not just to walk over but to jump up and down on.

[Bensthename]

12. McCain/Clinton '08 Change You Can't Believe In.

[Nedsdag]

23. More like McCain/Clinton '08: The More Things Change, The More They Stay the Same.

n/t

[City Lights]

15. Hillary and John are borrowing a page from the Bush manual:

You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on.

Hillary and John represent more of the same, which is why both of them are co-leading the wedgie brigade against Obama.

Hillary tries (in vain) to be all things to all people. She is a slick political opportunist who will say or do whatever it takes to win.

She's repulsive (IMHO).

[Voice for Peace]

18. Wedgie brigade! that is funny.

[joeybee12]

19. Yup, only people who love Obama have brains...and that's not elitist???

Thank you for helping to elect John mccain...sticking your head in the sand always helps you to correct mistakes.

[Voice for Peace]

21. Joeybee, those are your words, not mine.

But maybe it's true that only people who support Obama have brains, I am beginning to wonder.

[EFerrari]

25. Elitist is telling people what they need. Clinton and McCain did that

not Obama.

But hey, if you want to buy into that RW anti-intellectuall bullshit, your perogative!

[wndycty]

22. It should be very telling that McCain and Clinton are on the same page

:kick:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5468610

[crankychatter]

27. Phil Ochs description of Clinton "Liberalism"

"I cried when they shot Medgar Evers
Tears ran down my spine
I cried when they shot Mr. Kennedy
As though I'd lost a father of mine
But Malcolm X got what was coming
He got what he asked for this time
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

I go to civil rights rallies
And I put down the old D.A.R.
I love Harry and Sidney and Sammy
I hope every colored boy becomes a star
But don't talk about revolution
That's going a little bit too far
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

I cheered when Humphrey was chosen
My faith in the system restored
I'm glad the commies were thrown out
of the A.F.L. C.I.O. board
I love Puerto Ricans and Negros
as long as they don't move next door
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

The people of old Mississippi
Should all hang their heads in shame
I can't understand how their minds work
What's the matter don't they watch Les Crain?
But if you ask me to bus my children
I hope the cops take down your name
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

I read New republic and Nation
I've learned to take every view
You know, I've memorized Lerner and Golden
I feel like I'm almost a Jew
But when it comes to times like Korea
There's no one more red, white and blue
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

I vote for the democratic party
They want the U.N. to be strong
I go to all the Pete Seeger concerts
He sure gets me singing those songs
I'll send all the money you ask for
But don't ask me to come on along
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

Once I was young and impulsive
I wore every conceivable pin
Even went to the socialist meetings
Learned all the old union hymns
But I've grown older and wiser
And that's why I'm turning you in
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal"

May he rest in peace

[Voice for Peace]

29. amen. "there's no place in this world where I'll belong when I'm gone"

[Texas Hill Country]

28. nice way to spin it... good job

:sarcasm:

[Forkboy]

31. Some of you have forfeited the right to complain about spin.

[Voice for Peace]

32. Thanks very much! nt