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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:17 PM
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My first encounter with the complexity of racial issues: A personal story.
Edited on Sat Apr-12-08 06:49 PM by Bonobo
Until the age of 14, I lived in a very white suburb on Long Island that was predominately Italian, and which had no blacks, and almost no Jews.
Now, I am Jewish. I tell you that hardly a day went by without someone calling me "Jewboy" or throwing a penny at me and telling me to pick it up. Even many of the teachers were anti-semitic, I think. Still, I grew up not knowing anything different. I thought it was, well, if not normal, then normal-ish. The only black people we knew of were in the neighboring towns like Wyandanch, etc. It was a very segregated time and place. I don't want to tell you what my teammates would call those guys when we went against them in Football or Track and Field. Bad, bad names. Use your imagination.

Anyway, I never even spoke to a black person until I was 14, I think. That was when I moved to Skokie, Illinois. It was 1980 -the year the Nazis marched there. I had gone from being the only Jew, to being one of many, many Jews -but I never felt like I fit it with them. I suppose I internalized THEIR negative views of Jews in some way. I don't even want to particularly go there now, but suffice it to say that it gave me some perspective on being an outsider. A perspective that was later echoed when I lived in Japan for a few years. It is the feeling of being labeled by how you look or what your identity is, rather than your insides. And the thing is, even if you make "progress" one day, it is all gone the NEXT day when you get on that bus or train and have everyone stare at you or not want to sit next to you.

Anyway, back to the race story. I was in Skokie and went to Evanston to see an Eddie Murphy film. I forget which. Sitting in front of me was a skinny little black girl, perhaps 12 or so to my 14. When the movie was over and the credits began to roll, this girl stood up -prepared to leave. BUT, like some movies, this movie continued on THROUGH the credits with a lot of jokes or outtakes, stuff like that. The girl, however, continued to stand -the minutes passed. She would NOT sit down and I was now convinced she simply didn't want to embarrass herself by sitting down at that point.

Now here is the point where the story comes to a head. You see, I had only begun to think of race relations, and I assumed, or thought, that the best way to NOT be racist was to treat everyone the same way. So I said to myself "Here is a skinny little 12 year old and she is standing in the way of the film. I will tell her to sit down." So that's what I did.

"Hey, sit down willya!" I can hear myself saying. Nothing wrong with that, I thought. I felt like a pretty tough New Yorker then, surrounded by mild Midwesterners.

Do you know what happened? This girl turned around, ready to fight!

"You want to box with me?," she said.

"No, I don't want to box with you", I replied, shocked at the anger, the strange way of putting it, the oddness of having a skinny 12-year old girl challenge ME to a fight.

It took me a while to process the event and to come to a slightly more nuanced view on whether one could simply wish away racism by trying to be "color blind".

What is the point of this story? Well...maybe it is like art. maybe you will take from this that I am still a racist or a sexist or something. Those are the risks you take telling personal stories.

But for me, I am often reminded of this event when I hear some posters deny that racism plays a huge, huge part in this society. They also seem to think that to simply deny it is to make it go away. In societ and inside themselves. Well it's not. It's work like anything else to change your deepset ideas.

Make of this what you will.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:23 PM
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1. I understand what you mean about the Jewish community
I grew up as basically the only Jew in my community. There's a synagogue and although my family attended services sometimes I never was in with that crowd. That left me and a lot of evangelicals/Mormons. I was the only Jew in my circle of friends. Now that I'm older and have lived/am living among large Jewish communities, I find that I'm not comfortable with that dynamic. My hometown wasn't anti-Semitic at all, but I find that I lose a piece of my identity among groups of Jews. I'm so used to being "the Jew" I can't be "a Jew". I don't think I'm a self-loathing Jew because I'm very proud of my religion and heritage, but whenever I go to Hillel for services and I'm surrounded by hundreds of people who have lived the typical east-coast-Jew life, I feel like I don't fit in and sometimes I feel like they don't understand me. It's weird.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:24 PM
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2. You put that VERY well.
Thanks.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:31 PM
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4. I'm glad you think so
I'm also happy to find out I'm not the only one who has this issue. I mean, when the other students say things like, "what Jewish camp did you go to", and I say "I didn't", they say why not. Then I tell 'em the story I just told you. They don't seem to get it, I guess. Also, they seem to have a lot of conversations about their childhood I just can't relate to. Many of them go back to be councilors at the camps they used to attend, and they talk about that a lot. I feel kinda left out.

I was reading a Jewish newspaper the other day. They had an advice column and one of the letters was basically "my husband was offered a great job in the Quad Cities (or someplace like that), but I don't want to leave Boston". The advice lady replied by saying, "why would you want to move anywhere where'd you be the only Jew?", as if that's a death sentence or something. How am I supposed to take that? Alas, it's not an uncommon attitude, IMHO. It's like I'm from "the colonies" or something.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:27 PM
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3. I love what you bring to DU, Bonobo. Thanks for a great post. nt
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Kindigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:31 PM
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5. Question
Edited on Sat Apr-12-08 06:34 PM by dragndust
Would you have told this person to sit down if he/she were an adult? Would you have done it in the same way/tone?

PS I understand what the first part of your story has to do with the second part, but I don't have a frame of reference for that angle.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:32 PM
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6. No, I don't believe I would have.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:34 PM
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7. Come on, tell us the rest of the story.
She kicked your butt didn't she?

(just kidding)
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:37 PM
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9. Nah, but she scared me a little.
Anyway, I realized that I couldn't get into a fistfight with a little girl!

Besides there were plenty of people there that would have kicked my butt.
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locker13 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 07:08 PM
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12. well
only an asshole would yell at a 12 year old to sit down, regardless if its racial or not
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 07:10 PM
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13. And I say you are a poser. A Hillary-troll in disguise. Your attitude betrays you.
What was your previous handle?

Fuckwad.
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locker13 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 07:28 PM
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14. LOL
I have no idea what you are babbling about, if you dont like people commenting then dont post your story, i read it and the only thing i got from it was some asshole yelling at a 12 year old girl
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 07:29 PM
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15. I know you keep saying that I'm an asshole. You are incredibly shallow.
Edited on Sat Apr-12-08 07:29 PM by Bonobo
That's all I can say. I was 14 and I never said I yelled.

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Butch350 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:12 PM
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16. I thought I was the only one but

What the hell is the MORAL of this story. Explain it to me like I am a 3 year not on drugs.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:46 PM
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10. Bonobo, your OP is great, however, women are only 17% of the U.S. house and less in the Senate.
Women still make up relatively small minorities in both chambers, holding 17 percent of all House seats and 16 percent of the Senate seats. While the ranks of women in Congress increased dramatically in 1992, dubbed the “Year of the Woman,” gains have been more gradual in election years since.



http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=news-000002702439

Definitely not almost 50%. Not even close. The rest of your OP though, wow. Excellent! :kick:


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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:47 PM
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11. Thanks for the correction. I will change it. Don't want to spread untruths.
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