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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:29 PM
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5 PA Mayors Response to Obama's characterization of their towns
They are not impressed! Shocking isn't it?

The article has a few more opinions, but I found the mayors viewpoints as the most interesting since their towns are going to be voting soon in this primary. They know their communities better than anyone.



Chris Doherty, the mayor of Scranton, said: “I can tell you in Scranton and Northeast Pennsylvania, we’re optimistic. We’ve seen over 400,000 million invested in our city over the last seven years and we’re doing real well. It’s disappointing that Sen. Obama doesn’t realize that. He’s spent some time here and you could see the changes in our state and how well we are doing.

“As to people in our area turning to guns or to God or the perception that things are bad, the truth is what the governor said, people in Northeastern Pennsylvania like to hunt,’’ he said. “We worship our God regardless of our religion and that doesn’t happen in bad times necessarily, it happens as part of who we are, as people from Northeastern Pennsylvania. That tradition was passed down to us from our parents, from our grandparents, people in Pennsylvania have been here for three to four generations.


Robert Lucas, mayor of Sharon, Pa.: “The furthest thing from the truth is that we are bitter. To say that we cling to our religion and guns because of that – I can’t understand that. In this small city of 15,000, we have over 35 churches. Those churches weren’t built because we’re bitter and we don’t go to church because we are bitter.

“We don’t go up to the mountains to hunt because we are bitter. We’re concerned that seven years of Bush has really hurt us.’’

John Callahan, mayor of Bethlehem, Pa.: “We have lost thousands of high-paying blue collar, family-sustaining jobs. But we’re still here and we’re still fighting to make our cities and our neighborhoods strong.

Tom Leighton, mayor of Wilkes-Barre, Pa.: “Today’s the first day of fishing, and fishing and hunting brings families together. It allows time for fathers to spend time with their children. On top of other things that go on, whether it’s soccer or going to church, the people of Wilkes-Barre and the surrounding community have a strong faith and attend mass and their congregation daily.

The people of Wilkes-Barre “are not bitter,’’ the mayor said. “They are very optimistic about the future… We need leadership that is going to help us improve things here, not put us down.

Steve Reed, mayor of Harrisburg, Pa.: “We happen to like our small town values. We think they’re the bedrock of the American values that have built this nation and the people of our towns embrace their religions out of faith, not out of bitterness or frustration. I have found our small town citizens to be decent. They are hardworking. They are friendly. They are giving. They are caring. They are patriotic.

“They don’t deserve to be categorized as they were in the remarks made out in California,’’ he said. “It’s a very unfortunate stereotype of the citizens of our towns in this state, and in every state across the nation, to have them unfairly categorized as they were. Frankly, the remarks of Sen. Obama lacked judgment. They lack understanding.

“Frankly the remarks are condescending, they are negative, they are hurtful.’’


http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/04/obamas_bitter_taste_of_own_wor.html
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:31 PM
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1. 5 mayors? Wow.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:33 PM
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7. Look at the towns
Scranton is the hub of PA's fourth largest metro area, Bethlehem is the second largest city in PA's third largest metro area, Wilkes-Barre is the #2 city in the Scranton area, Harrisburg is the capital and the hub of a metro area itself. The only town that is not significant on that list is Sharon.
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40ozDonkey Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:57 PM
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32. Look at the 5 Hill-shills.
All but one openly endorsed Clinton for president in their statements. Hillary's campaign has all the subtlety of a train wreck.
Wake me when we see real blowback from the electorate, instead of the manufactured blowback from Hillary supporters.

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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 07:50 PM
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43. Exactly. As if the party machine is the vox populi
To quote a former president, "Give me a break."
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:48 PM
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27. Yeah! And what would THEY likely put out in open print?
They too are office-seekers, and are far greater pressure to "sweet-talk" their potential voters, a far narrower demographic than what O'Bama (Irish?) is facing.

pnorman
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 11:27 PM
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54. no mayor is going to hurt their town's potential by saying what is
true. these dimbulbs aren't the ones to talk to. talk to the people who are living there. they will tell the truth. BY THE WAY! SIGN IN HERE IF YOU ARE SMILING AND TAP DANCING THROUGH THE CURRENT WORlD WE ARE LIVING IN! TELL US YOUR INSPIRATIONAL STORIES SO THE REST OF US CAN GET WItH THE FUCKing program!
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:31 PM
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2. Well nice to see the know how to make friends with the next occupant of the White House
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:31 PM
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3. Yet another one has recorded a robocall with the exact opposite take
Man, the next 10 days are going to be a riot.

:rofl:
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:41 PM
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21. Really? Which one?
Damn they are going to make sure every voter in PA knows what he said.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:43 PM
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York -- and it was an Obama supporter call
Said "BO has it right and PA is bitter" and then went on to list the reasons why (NAFTA, etc...)
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:47 PM
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25. I got that, that it was an O supporter, but it still brings it to everyones attention
explaining it or rejecting it.

I dunno, robo calls telling people why they are or should be bitter in an attempt to explain his comments may not work out the best.


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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:52 PM
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29. Yes. He should have used something a bit stronger.
Bitter doesn't even scratch the surface.
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:30 PM
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52. I have a friend who lives in Scranton, she say's she's "bitter"...
..she's smart enough to understand what Obama was talking about.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:31 PM
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4. Well Obama wasn't expecting to win PA anyway....
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 11:31 PM
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55. Obama never "expected" the oncoming Pennslyvania tsunami either, but he brought it on. (eom)
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:31 PM
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5. Wonder what the Mayor of Scranton makes a year?
Bet these people have health insurance, too. Not a good way to judge Obama's statement. Try the poor slobs who have been out of work for a year.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:34 PM
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9. They don't condescend to those "poor slobs". That is the point
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:35 PM
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10. Good to see the responses of some local leaders...
many of those towns/cities are in the steel belt. The steelworkers were the first workers hurt by buying foreign.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:53 PM
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30. Those "poor slobs" would probably be insulted to be called that.
Edited on Sat Apr-12-08 06:53 PM by 2rth2pwr
The Obama team sure is tone deaf.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:33 PM
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6. Scranton isn't small town PA...
These "responses" seem definately political.
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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:33 PM
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8. Nice to see that Obama's supporters are seemingly as elitist and arrogant as he is

Spare Pennsylvania your sarcasm.

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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:35 PM
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11. Yup and Obama knows it. These are the type of people he was talking to in SF
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:35 PM
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12. Very good --- This certainly could mark a strong perceptual shift --- NT
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:36 PM
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13. Of course mayors would say that
They are trying to get reelected. You can't do it by saying that my constituents are bitter after I was in office.
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rwheeler31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:36 PM
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14. Is everyone in PA a rebublican?
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:37 PM
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18. This is a Dem primary coming up.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:59 PM
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35. What?
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:36 PM
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15. Talk about stepping on your own &%!#

Mr. Obama, please remove your foot from your mouth.


:rofl:
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:36 PM
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16. Amazing That Mayors That Have Endorsed Hillary Are Outraged Now...
Who'd a thunk it?
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:37 PM
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17. There will be more blowback.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:38 PM
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20. Yeah. This is going to blow up in Hillary's face in a big way.
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datopbanana Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:37 PM
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19. Add 5 more to the list of people playing dumb pretending not to understand what he said
Edited on Sat Apr-12-08 06:38 PM by datopbanana
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:43 PM
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22. they can all fut the shuck up
None of them are from SMALL TOWNS. Only people who worship big cities think that a city of 40,000 people is a "small town". Even Sharon, Pa is in a county of over 100,000 people an is an exurb of Youngstown, Ohio.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:50 PM
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LOL!!!!!!!
I thought Obama did better in the bigger cities!


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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:50 PM
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28. LOL!!!!!!!
I thought Obama did better in the bigger cities!


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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:43 PM
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23. Nice to see they've prcisely followed the McCain/Clinton script.
Why write it yourself when you can just regurgitate talking points from on high.

Thank you, but I'll wait for next week to see what the voters think.

BTW are you going to watch Obama talk to Gumbel about basketball on MSNBC tuesday nite?
Looks like he's pretty good.
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:45 PM
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24. Yup, exactly... Let's ask mayors if their citizens are hapy with their work.
WTF ever.. This is pathetic.
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:48 PM
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Hillary orchestrated this .... straight out of Rove handbook.
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:48 PM
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26. Hillary orchestrated this .... straight out of Rove handbook.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:28 PM
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51. Really? How did she make Obama say what he did?
Is she writing his speeches?

She is responsible for what she says and the mistakes she makes, so is Obama.


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Herman74 Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:54 PM
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31. As a Harrisburg, PA resident, I can say that...
Mayor Reed has been a strong Hillary supporter, and likely the other mayors mentioned are too.

Small-town values? There's such a thing? Small-town values, big-town values, is there really any meaningful distinction? People are people everywhere, Mayor Reed. And Obama wasn't even talking about "values," but bitterness he suspect arises from economic difficulties.

Mayor Reed, your candidate Hillary is going nowhere. Trying to score cheap points against Obama by claiming people's feelings are so easily hurt just damages our eventual nominee for no purpose. Fortunately the damage should only be very slight, but don't do this kind of nonsense again.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:47 PM
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53. Wasn't it Obama that damaged his own chances?
Didn't he put his own foot in is mouth? i know Hillary is a strong fighter...but she is not that strong.

Oh I forgot...it's all Clinton's fault!

You guys can spin anything into a Clinton problem. No wonder you are so hateful. You believe your own bias spin!
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:57 PM
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33. Keep talkin', Mayors!
You go with that outrage!

Every time a "campaign killer" story about Obama comes out, and after everyone is done being outraged, it seems to me that he gets a bump in the polls.

The kitchen sink is broken, y'all.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 07:53 PM
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45. nary a vote has been cast
since the Wright story broke

don't celebrate to soon
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:59 PM
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34. My Mayor Callahan, quoted above, has endorsed HRC and intro'ed Bill here.
No surprise he weighed in on this.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 07:03 PM
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36. So far only one mayor has sided with BO. And he's an elitist Harvard grad too.
Edited on Sat Apr-12-08 07:04 PM by MethuenProgressive
He managed to get two lines in this story about BO's foot-in-mouth spasm:

http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/obama-acknowledges-poor-word-choice-2008-04-12.html

edit: One line. Not two.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 07:08 PM
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40. More HillMath?
2 mayors are listed in that story, Richard Gray of Lancaster and John Fetterman of Braddock.

Upthread, I noted that the mayor of York has done a recording that is being robo-called.
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Bigleaf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 07:06 PM
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37. Who fucking cares? You kiss your mayor's ass and believe everything they say? I sure don't.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 07:07 PM
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38. THey are part of the Machine.....
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 07:07 PM
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39. The hate canaries are singing that same old song,
different verse...

I cannot WAIT for the press to gets hold of the "gun rights" speech Hillary "sniperfire" Clinton,
Champion of gun control gave today,

More specious Bullshit from the campaign that will pander to the GOP if it gives her an edge.

:puke:
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 07:13 PM
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41. 5 PA mayors about to be voted out next election
Thanks for keeping voters informed.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 07:46 PM
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42. LOL!!!!!!!
those 'religious gun toting bigots' according to Obama are going to vote their mayors out of office for defending their faith and constitutional rights from a liberal elitist fundraising in San Francisco?

Don't lose money betting on that!
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 07:53 PM
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44. Seriously GoldieAZ49, do you think an HRC supporter is in any position
to give advice on where to bet money? Thanks for your advice but I think I'll stick to the winning streak.

The Old Guard is being repudiated. Get over it.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 07:57 PM
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46. when he loses
I hope you can get over it
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 07:57 PM
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47. Well....
Dig deep people. You have 5 mayors that need well-funded primary opponents in only 10 days. It is gonna take a brazillion people, donating their allowance, to kick these bums to the curb.
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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:01 PM
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48. Yeah- Harrisburg, Scranton and Wilkes-Barre small towns
What's the definition of a small town? Christ, Harrisburg is the fuckin capital.These guys are reaching.
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True_Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:08 PM
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49. I think this will hurt him
It sounded like he was stereotyping small town folks as hicks.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:22 PM
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50. Yep
It is exactly what it was. It is funny that he shot his mouth off in SF. Just like Randi...
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 11:36 PM
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56. They're all Clinton supporters & have campaigned with/for her. Acting as surrogates. Surprise. n/t
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